Are you for Traditional Values? What do you think about Muslims and Christians joining together to uphold Conservative Values in the West?

[Daze]

A Christian kicks a Quran burner out of his store.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1682571464455725057

 

[DesertRose]

I know my answer was not what you were looking for but I thought is was a very good question and was happy to respond.

I actually was not looking for anything.
It would have been nice if your sect of Christians posters would stop derailing this thread by making it about the differences in religion.
However, their malevolent hate of Islam makes it difficult for them to stay on topic.
This is a pity because you guys are being helped by Muslim stances on these positions.

 

[DesertRose]

Muslim Dad Destroys Woke School Board Over Explicit Materials In Schools

 

[DesertRose]

I note that many Christians support the work of Prager U - it does indeed provide an intelligent, conservative response to some of the left leaning evils of society…

Dennis Prager? He is internally blind.
nicotine is considered gateway to hard drugs.
Dennis Prager's stances are a gateway to immortality.

Dennis Prager & @JordanBPeterson on Lust, Interiority, & Pornography

 

[DesertRose]

Those that want to discuss theology start your own threads.
WATCH: Families demand right to opt-out of classes with sexual content in classes K-5 in Maryland

 

[Lizard King]

Traditional Values. But let's be realistic whose traditions are the ones that can be trusted. Some traditions seem harmless yet prove deadly to others. Perhaps it is better to create traditions instead of relying on a suspicious set of circumstances that could never happen under normal conditions. Who knows what really happened much less why. This is the conundrum of the 21st century. Nothing has been resolved yet we are warned it will get better never. Even nontraditional values are seldom found in modern life. Wolves are snarling behind every door. There is no escape and you are slowly eaten alive by mutated insects that are multiplying and larger than in the past. Eating insects is a myth yet eventually they will eat and destroy the human race. But they will slowly vanish without humans for food. Dinosaurs could possibly reappear after doomsday creates the ideal climate for them to thrive in the new world.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Dennis Prager? He is internally blind.
Alcohol, nicotine, and marijuana are considered gateways to hard drugs.
Dennis Prager's stances are a gateway to immortality.

Dennis Prager & @JordanBPeterson on Lust, Interiority, & Pornography

I think your reply hits on both the problem and the potential suggested by your opening question @DesertRose

I don’t particularly watch either Jordan Peterson or Prager U. I can see certain voices emerging on both sides of the moral / ethical / societal debate that is taking place across the world. Progressive vs Traditional, Woke vs Conservative, Libertarian vs Authority, Nationalist vs Globalist etc etc.

The stance anyone takes on these issues is predicated on what they believe to be true on a fundamental, existential level. Is there a God? If so, what is He (she, it, them…) like? What does God want from people? Is History cyclical or linear? Is there a a beginning, will there be an end? Is anything “true” in a meaningful sense or is truth determined individually or societally?

Even focussing down to people who believe in a monotheistic God, what does He desire from us most? A combined political and perhaps legal effort to stamp out widely agreed societal evils based on a shared set of common moral values, to make those in society sin less, or to restore those lost and estranged from Him back into His family so that sinning less becomes a natural result of being able to truly call God “Abba, Father”?

 

[DesertRose]

HI Red

don’t particularly watch either Jordan Peterson or Prager U. I can see certain voices emerging on both sides of the moral / ethical / societal debate that is taking place across the world. Progressive vs Traditional, Woke vs Conservative, Libertarian vs Authority, Nationalist vs Globalist etc etc.

Correct. There are many factions in the West. You will find moral and immoral stances in all of them.
As a practicing Muslim I would work with any of them on issues that are important and moral but would not be part of any of them.

The stance anyone takes on these issues is predicated on what they believe to be true on a fundamental, existential level. Is there a God? If so, what is He (she, it, them…) like? What does God want from people? Is History cyclical or linear? Is there a a beginning, will there be an end? Is anything “true” in a meaningful sense or is truth determined individually or societally?

Okay.
I would be willing to work with them if they are upholding and representing morality regardless of their own personal beliefs.

Even focussing down to people who believe in a monotheistic God, what does He desire from us most? A combined political and perhaps legal effort to stamp out widely agreed societal evils based on a shared set of common moral values, to make those in society sin less, or to restore those lost and estranged from Him back into His family so that sinning less becomes a natural result of being able to truly call God “Abba, Father”?

Hold on Bruv, are you preaching here? .....and what's this with calling God ,Abba?
God, what does He desire from us most?
To be singled out for worship without any other entities.
Not doing so means you are committing the foremost sin in Islam.
Let me spell it out for you.
The father not being the son
The Father is not the Holy Spirit
The Son is not the Holy Spirit
and yet affirming that these 3 entities are yet only One God is going against His desire of worshiping Him in total unity.(Tawheed)
Therefore, when you direct your prayers and beliefs towards Jesus as God or his son we believe this is the number 1 sin in Islam,
As for sins, people are supposed to follow the example of all the Prophets of God including Prophet Adam peace be upon them all.
Worship the One God and cease and repent of your sins,

However, none of these considerations/or contemplation will work if the environment is toxic and immoral from childhood.

What does God want from people? Is History cyclical or linear? Is there a a beginning, will there be an end? Is anything “true” in a meaningful sense or is truth determined individually or societally?
What....?.just kiddin,'
We believe, History is cyclical and societies have gone down the barrel in terms of morals.
As for truth no matter what the charlatans tell you it is not relative.
These garbage arguments that open the doors towards disbelief and sin are highly unpopular for most Muslims.

Getting back to maintaining an environment that is conducive to raising children.
As it is, in the West today some immoral hooligans have subverted your governments.
They are not different from any criminal gang.
They are making the social environment sick by imposing their immorality on the children.
I hope you and yours would become less afraid of their judgment and smears and that you stand up for your families.
I would hope that you could stand with people who are theologically different but who like you recognize and are concerned about the promotion of sin in the school system.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I would hope that you could stand with people who are theologically different but who like you recognize are concerned about the promotion of sin in the school system.

My reason for citing Prager U was not to promote Judaism but rather, to say that despite belief in one God I reject a good many of Dennis Prager’s Orthodox Rabbinic positions. Despite this difference in theology, especially over the most important things, I do feel that taking back the school system from those who reject any divine authority is a worthwhile common goal.

Our kids deserve better than leftist brainwashing and someone has to oppose the woke hegemony otherwise they will proceed unchecked.

 

[Orwell's mentor]

Here is a Canadian pastor thanking Muslims 2 days ago.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1681784932148957184

As i mentioned before. The prophet of Islam spoke of a Muslim / Christian alliance. So it is coming regardless of how many hate it or love it.

Questions is, is what we see today that prophesied time?

I have to say, this is nice to hear that someone isn't part of the school board is actually speaking out against what they're doing. I met my friend last weekend who's been a teacher for nearly 20 years, and she was telling me and my other friend how the teachers and principals seem to be all cowering to this indoctrination of children and for dumbing them down. Thankfully, she's standing up and is just saying, 'no". She wants these kids to apply themselves and be educated so they have a future.

I'll forward her this tweet to show her that many are speaking up and Muslims are leading the way. I'm guessing she won't be too surprised because we also discussed how churches these days are so watered down with their message. None are preaching the message Jesus gave us, or what the Heavenly Father wants from us, it's all feeble and weird indoctrinated crap. Especially, during the covid lockdowns.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Hold on Bruv, are you preaching here? .....and what's this with calling God ,Abba?

The preaching thing?

1 Corinthians 9:16 KJV

For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

The “Abba” thing?

Romans 8:14-16 KJV

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

The direction of history thing:

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Peace be upon you @DesertRose

 

[Lurking009]

I actually was not looking for anything.
It would have been nice if your sect of Christians posters would stop derailing this thread by making it about the differences in religion.
However, their malevolent hate of Islam makes it difficult for them to stay on topic.

There was no way I could answer your proposal without bringing in the differences in the religions because it is the basis for my answer. I refrained from going further in order to avoid derailing, but it was necesssry in my initial posts.

This is a pity because you guys are being helped by Muslim stances on these positions.

There are plenty of non-Muslims standing up to school boards (and they've been doing it for years) so this isn't just a Muslim thing. I never said Christians and Muslims should not show up together at meetings, by the way.

California school superintendent booted from hostile hearing

Over 300 people filled the main hall at Don Lugo High School in Chino, California on Thursday to weigh in on hearing over a new policy to force teachers to notify parents if their child is transgender.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Virginia Parents Standing Up to Loudoun County School Board Should Inspire Parents Everywhere

Loudoun County, Virginia, has become a battleground for parents to assert their right to determine the values their children learn at school.

www.dailysignal.com

Parents clash at school board meeting over LGBTQ+ books in Elk Grove school libraries

Parents gathered at Elk Grove's school board meeting to voice their opinions about certain LGBTQ+ books. The dispute lasted the entire school year but culminated tonight for the board's last meeting before the summer break.

www.cbsnews.com

North Dakota parents rage at school board for defying law on kids' gender identities: 'Whose kids are these?'

Parents in North Dakota's Fargo School District slammed the board for refusing to comply with a law requiring districts to inform parents of children's gender identities.

www.foxnews.com

A right-wing takeover of a Colorado school board has some of the town’s conservatives deeply concerned

A new school board quickly enacted its agenda in Woodland Park. Now teachers are leaving and the board faces growing opposition, including from lifelong GOP voters.

www.nbcnews.com

Parents stand up to 'cult' Loudoun County School board over transgender student policy

Loudoun County parents came out to support and protest Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin's new model policies restoring parental consent to transgender policies in schools.

www.foxnews.com

Parents push to recall Oregon school board after reports of 'disgusting' sexual games, explicit book

Parents in the Oregon 4J school district are calling for a new school board after reports of activities and books detailing sexual acts they deemed inappropriate.

www.foxnews.com

Other groups have been leading the way.

 

[Daze]

There was no way I could answer your proposal without bringing in the differences in the religions because it is the basis for my answer. I refrained from going further in order to avoid derailing, but it was necesssry in my initial posts.

She's already shown you to be a hypocrite because the truth is when you help any atheists the question (but you're an atheist) never pops into your head.

DR is absolutely correct when she said the US / UK is largely satanic today because of YOUR help. While today LGBT is LITERALLY being taught from your churches.

No stop. L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y

Aren't you forbidden to bear false witness? Why don't you state what we can all clearly see?


What are you talking about derailing? You had zero intention to support the notion so why are you even in this thread?
To demonize any idea of supporting Islam in any way, shape or form. Isn't that your intention here polytheist? I mean we can all see it, why not be honest for once?


Like i said, it doesn't matter. An alliance is coming. Question is, is it already here?

Here's some Muslims raising awareness for persecuted Christians in Israel. Something the polytheists here absolutely refuse to do.

 

[Lurking009]

She's already shown you to be a hypocrite because the truth is when you help any atheists the question (but you're an atheist) never pops into your head.

DR is absolutely correct when she said the US / UK is largely satanic today because of YOUR help. While today LGBT is LITERALLY being taught from your churches.

No stop. L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y

Aren't you forbidden to bear false witness? Why don't you state what we can all clearly see?


What are you talking about derailing? You had zero intention to support the notion so why are you even in this thread?
To demonize any idea of supporting Islam in any way, shape or form. Isn't that your intention here polytheist? I mean we can all see it, why not be honest for once?


Like i said, it doesn't matter. An alliance is coming. Question is, is it already here?

Here's some Muslims raising awareness for persecuted Christians in Israel. Something the polytheists here absolutely refuse to do.

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Try decaf. It's less triggering.

 

[Daze]

Try decaf. It's less triggering.

Try answering basic questions.





Its like waiting for Isis to attack Israel. Isn't it?


"They looked for a way to arrest him, but were afraid of the crowd because the people thought he was a prophet." (Matt 21:46)

I often wonder how many Christians would be Muslims if they actually read the Bible?

 

[Lurking009]

Try answering basic questions.


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Its like waiting for Isis to attack Israel. Isn't it?


"They looked for a way to arrest him, but were afraid of the crowd because the people thought he was a prophet." (Matt 21:46)

I often wonder how many Christians would be Muslims if they actually read the Bible?

I actually answered MANY questions and stayed on topic, but your responses show you either did not read them or maybe it's just a case of selective reading comprehension. You're just stirring things up for absolutely no reason, and your angry rant is way off topic. My answers stand whether you accept them or not.

Have a great rest of your day.

 

[DesertRose]

I think we are currently facing a centralized global regime that is at war with people and that has many governments in a tight grip.
These governments are at war with their own citizens and thrive on pitting different groups against each other.
The only way to combat their ills is not to partake in them.
They benefit from discord.
They benefit from hatred.
The benefit from sin.
Ill health, miseducation, disinformation, etc

The reason I started the favorite things thread is to highlight we have more in common than not.
The Islamic threads are to showcase our faith because the powers that be have exerted themselves in lying about us.
A good reminder for us and it begins with myself.......is to reach out to others, especially with people we disagree with in a spirit of Good faith and sincerity.
This particular thread was supposed to be a place wherein we could discuss checking corrupt power with others even though we all have different beliefs.

Having said that
I understand some folks find that hard to do and that is okay.
Thanks to everyone for participating in this thread.

The lofty standard of our religion beckons us to :

"Invite (all) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for your Lord knows best who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.} (An-Nahl 16:125) "

I will commit to that standard again and again, God willing

As for the swarm (A term used by Dr. Shiva to refer to the elites)
The best way to deal with them is not to fall for their machinations.
Their lies, their deceptions, their stories, their rumors, their innuendo!
We can avoid investing our precious time in their fake politicians and business people who are part of the establishment or the not-so-obvious establishment. ( Also Shiva's term)
Organizing at the local level can be used to block their horrible laws.

 

[Daze]

Have a great rest of your day.

Ditto.

I actually answered MANY questions and stayed on topic

No, actually you didn't. Still waiting for you to show me something the Bible champions and the Quran condemns.

When all that long post of yours showed was what your beliefs are, not what the books themselves say. Which i easily took apart with actual Bible quotes.

You're just stirring things up for absolutely no reason,

Its ironic how you say I'm stirring things up for no reason. What is your purpose in this thread that calls for unity while you openly condemn it?

Why don't you like the idea of openly condemning homosexuality? I mean the Bible calls it an abomination.

Maybe you won't condemn it because you don't want to be associated with Muslims and why is that Lurk?
Because they denounce the pagan concept of a 3 in 1 god?

Honest question. This is Hecate. Depictions of her at least. A pagan goddess.



Notice how it is one god, but 3.

Honestly it is baffling to me how we can look at say Easter and agree eggs and rabbits have nothing what so ever to do with Jesus.
You might not openly admit it but you know this is accepted pagan concepts in your religion. There is not a church in the US that doesn't have an annual Easter egg hunt.

We can apply the same concept to Christmas, worship of the sUn, literally Dec 24th is the winter solstice.

But what you can't do is acknowledge the 3 in 1 god is ALSO a pagan concept.

My answers stand whether you accept them or not.

That's just it, you literally gave no answers.
Daze ~Why does Jesus cry to God?
Lurk ~ "crickets"

Let me highlight and make clear what "my damage" is with you Lurk.
DesertRose makes an open hearted attempt to call for unity on things we 100% agree on.

Yet you come into this thread with the soul purpose of crapping all over it and why is that?

To me its obvious. I highly doubt I'm the only one here who notices this.

You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, “We are Christians.” That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. (5:82 Quran)

Because its not just you Lurk. Everyone who believes Jesus to be in partnership with God the father has negative things to say about Islam and you and i both know that's never gonna change.


So go ahead and crap all over a movement you alone fully support. We can all see the hypocrisy.

Your "damage" is Muslims because they hold fast to the first commandment, Indeed there is no god but God.

Jesus describes in the Bible denouncing you on judgement day, but it falls on death ears.

 

[Mohammed_123]

Ditto.



No, actually you didn't. Still waiting for you to show me something the Bible champions and the Quran condemns.

When all that long post of yours showed was what your beliefs are, not what the books themselves say. Which i easily took apart with actual Bible quotes.




Its ironic how you say I'm stirring things up for no reason. What is your purpose in this thread that calls for unity while you openly condemn it?

Why don't you like the idea of openly condemning homosexuality? I mean the Bible calls it an abomination.

Maybe you won't condemn it because you don't want to be associated with Muslims and why is that Lurk?
Because they denounce the pagan concept of a 3 in 1 god?

Honest question. This is Hecate. Depictions of her at least. A pagan goddess.

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Notice how it is one god, but 3.

Honestly it is baffling to me how we can look at say Easter and agree eggs and rabbits have nothing what so ever to do with Jesus.
You might not openly admit it but you know this is accepted pagan concepts in your religion. There is not a church in the US that doesn't have an annual Easter egg hunt.

We can apply the same concept to Christmas, worship of the sUn, literally Dec 24th is the winter solstice.

But what you can't do is acknowledge the 3 in 1 god is ALSO a pagan concept.




That's just it, you literally gave no answers.
Daze ~Why does Jesus cry to God?
Lurk ~ "crickets"

Let me highlight and make clear what "my damage" is with you Lurk.
DesertRose makes an open hearted attempt to call for unity on things we 100% agree on.

Yet you come into this thread with the soul purpose of crapping all over it and why is that?

To me its obvious. I highly doubt I'm the only one here who notices this.

You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, “We are Christians.” That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. (5:82 Quran)

Because its not just you Lurk. Everyone who believes Jesus to be in partnership with God the father has negative things to say about Islam and you and i both know that's never gonna change.


So go ahead and crap all over a movement you alone fully support. We can all see the hypocrisy.

Your "damage" is Muslims because they hold fast to the first commandment, Indeed there is no god but God.

Jesus describes in the Bible denouncing you on judgement day, but it falls on death ears.

Maybe i can help you here @Daze

EXALTED ARE THE GHARINIQ
WHOSE INTERCESSION IS HOPED FOR...

taken from Surah Najm 53

 

[Daze]

Maybe i can help you here @Daze

EXALTED ARE THE GHARINIQ
WHOSE INTERCESSION IS HOPED FOR...

taken from Surah Najm 53

Surah Najm is the 53rd surah. I'm sure its a numbers game with you, being 53 53.



You need to help yourself before you can help me Kias. I still think you should seek ruqya.