another gospel ("Christianity")

[JoChris]

Of course. Did you?


Aren't you hypocritically doing what you are accusing @The Sojourner of doing?

You frequently draw totally illogical conclusions (unwittingly, or otherwise) about what others are supposedly saying, writing or doing, instead of focusing on your own shortcomings and sins, from which you suffer greatly.

Why don't you, instead of foolishly attacking others who consistently and exclusively encourage all of us to return to obeying God, take some time WITH God to reflect on your own sinful/selfish and evil actions, for which you are being punished (as we all are punished when we go against God)?


Yes, I'm well aware of that. That letter to the Romans was written from Corinthus, [and sent] by Phebe, servant of the community at Cenchrea. And what did Paul -- if correctly understood -- say about keeping The Law?

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind (Being) I myself serve The Law of God; but with the flesh (human) the law of sin.

Romans 7:12-16
7:12 Wherefore The Law [is] holy, and the Commandment holy, and just, and good.
7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the Commandment might become exceeding sinful.
7:14 For we know that The Law is spiritual (for my spirit): but my "Self" is carnal, sold under sin*.
7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto The Law that [it (The Law) is] good.

Romans 3:30-31
3:30 Seeing [it is] ONE God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
3:31 Do we then make void The Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish The Law.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of The Law [are] just before God, but the DOERS of The Law (The Torah) shall be justified.

The divine in me - JAHtruth.net


Thank-you. This article has been read many times, and is pretty well understood from years of careful study.

And, as has been shared numerous times here on this forum, it is upon the MISINTERPRETATIONS/MISUNDERSTANDINGS of the letters of Paul or those attributed to Paul, that the false, alternate 'gospel' of "Christianity" is based.

It is precisely because Paul and the others -- who were primary school students and NOT The One and ONLY Teacher (Christ), anointed and appointed by God to be our King and our Teacher -- did not speak as clearly about spiritual matters as Christ does that the above TRUTHFUL explanation was written.

And that is also precisely why we are 14 pages into this thread and there has yet to be a quote from Jesus provided by any "Christian" that supports the so-called Christian traditions of the "trinity", or that Christians are allegedly all Gentiles that supposedly don't have to keep The Law (even we are all party to the Covenant/Promise to keep God's Law), or of the pagan holidays celebrated by "Christians" (e.g. X-mas/Yuletide/Saturnalia and Ishtar/Easter) and the Babylonian practice of sun-worship on Sun-days, going to heathen temples/churches, to perform pagan rites and rituals (e.g. "Holy Communion"), etc.

Where did Christ tell us to do ANY of those things?


Did I actually say anything that JAH has shared is a lie, particularly the article from which you cited the above explanation? Rather it would be good for everyone to read the entire article for themselves, so that they can learn from it, and change their evil ways.

What you really should be concerned with is what JAH/Christ is going to do when you stand before Him on Judgement Day (John 5:22), and have to answer for all of the LIES, false accusations, false witness and outright attacks against Christ, along with the sin and inequity you consistently and repeatedly promote?

Since you refuse defend your religion JAHtruth's (un)Holy Book "The way home or face the fire", the only option you have is to attack Christianity. That is one of the few traits JAHtruthers do share with Muslims.

I have no interest in debating people who are determined to follow an antiChrist no matter how much we show how Anthony John Hill cannot possibly be Jesus.

You have no good news. You have no Gospel. You just want to bring people into the spiritual bondage you are in.

 

[Maldarker]

Since you refuse defend your religion JAHtruth's (un)Holy Book "The way home or face the fire", the only option you have is to attack Christianity. That is one of the few traits JAHtruthers do share with Muslims.

I have no interest in debating people who are determined to follow an antiChrist no matter how much we show how Anthony John Hill cannot possibly be Jesus.

You have no good news. You have no Gospel. You just want to bring people into the spiritual bondage you are in.

As the saying goes misery loves company!

 

[A Freeman]

Since you refuse defend your religion JAHtruth's (un)Holy Book "The way home or face the fire", the only option you have is to attack Christianity.

Why do you feel the need to LIE about virtually everything? Is it so commonplace for you that you don't even know anymore when you are doing it?

Your LIES about The Way home or face The Fire by JAH, prophesied to be delivered during these end-times in God's Holy Book, aka the Bible and the Word of God, specifically in John 16:25; Revelation 10:1-10; and Revelation 2:17 were exposed in several of your hate-filled threads, including the first two of your multi-part/thread attack against The Way home or face The Fire by JAH.

As you were told from the outset, the Truth doesn't need anyone to defend it, nor even to believe in it, for it to be and remain the Truth.

Furthermore, this particular thread serves as a loving warning to awakened Israelites who may have been duped by "Christianity". They will be able to see for themselves the TRUTH that the organized religion that calls itself "Christianity" is teaching a totally different 'gospel' than the one Christ taught and still teaches today, as evidenced by the Gospel accounts themselves.

That's why no "Christian" has been able to produce even one verse from the Gospel where Jesus actually/plainly claimed to be God. Instead we find HUNDREDS of verses where Christ made it crystal clear through His words and His actions that He was NOT God. Please review the entire thread for yourself if you are in doubt.

That's why no "Christian" has been able to produce even one verse from the Gospel where Jesus actually/plainly claimed to destroy The Law of God. How could they given Christ made it crystal clear that could NEVER happen?

That is one of the few traits JAHtruthers do share with Muslims.

It's sad that you cannot "see" that "Christians" and "Muslims" suffer from the same disease: ignorance of the FACT that ALL organized religion was created by Lucifer/Satan/Iblis to keep people away from God, thereby ensuring they will NEVER get to know and love God, nor His Christ, Whom God sent.

I have no interest in debating people who are determined to follow an antiChrist

Who are you trying to convince of that nonsense? Yourself perhaps?

Your "self" desperately wants more attention, and wants to pretend it knows what it's talking about, even after it has been proven to be in error countless times. That's the ONLY reason you came and posted this response in this thread, whether you realize it or not, isn't it?

no matter how much we show how Anthony John Hill cannot possibly be Jesus.

How can you possibly show people that Christ isn't Christ?

Breaking news: CHRIST IS CHRIST.

Breaking news: The REAL Christ will fulfill ALL of the prophecies, including the prophecies concerning His Second Coming.

You have no good news. You have no Gospel. You just want to bring people into the spiritual bondage you are in.

Breaking news: The Gospel IS the Gospel.

Breaking news: The REAL Gospel (Good News/News from God) is found in the Gospel accounts, namely: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Thomas.

When someone sees everything upside down and backwards, as you undoubtedly are, they will continue to be duped into believing that freedom is bondage, and right is wrong, and that good is evil, etc. (Isa. 5:20-21).

The ONLY Way to be freed from the bondage to sin and death is to LIVE by The Law.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.

The Good News/Gospel Truth is that even at this very late hour, all one needs to do is to REMEMBER and return to The Law that God gave us, to protect us from all of this evil and to set and keep us FREE.

There is no other way to draw closer to God and His Christ.

 

[Alanantic]

If one is comfortable in their belief, they have no need to contest it.

"The fanatic is always concealing a secret doubt." John le Carre

 

[Maldarker]

If one is comfortable in their belief, they have no need to contest it.

"The fanatic is always concealing a secret doubt." John le Carre

Exactly! finally a worthy quote LOL j/k

 

[A Freeman]

1 John 2:18-26 KJV
2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there MANY antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father (Matt. 11:27): he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father (John 14:20-24).
2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you (e.g. "Christianity", with another 'gospel').

The "trinity" doctrine, which is the core doctrine of "Christianity", denies the TRUE Father-and-Son relationship that Father (God) has with His FirstBORN (first-created) Son, known here on Earth as The Messiah/Christ.

Do NOT be seduced by the wide/broad, quick and easy path of "Christianity"; The Strait Way that leads to Life (John 14:6), is The ONLY Way home, to heaven.

Matthew 7:13-14
7:13 Enter ye in at the "Strait" gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because Strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] The Way, which leadeth unto Life, and FEW there be that find it (Rev. 7:4-9; Rev. 14:1-4).

Revelation 18:4-5
18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT of her, MY people, that ye take not part in her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues (punishment).
18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her inequities (sinning/breaking God's Law, which always produces inequity, injustice, oppression, suffering, slavery and DEATH - Rom. 6:23).

 

[elsbet's cat ^. .^]

•
Whoever is dead
has been freed from sin.
Romans 6:7​

For he that is dead, is freed from sin.

Romans 6:7. Ἀποθανὼν, dead) to sin
Romans 6:2.—δεδιχαίωται, [is freed from sin] is justified-- Sin has now no longer any claim against him in law; with which comp. Romans 6:6; Romans 6:9, so that he is no longer a debtor, ch. Romans 8:12.

In respect of the past, he is justified-- from the guilt of sin; in respect of the future, from its dominion, Romans 6:14.

You frequently draw totally illogical conclusions (unwittingly, or otherwise) about what others are supposedly saying...

Like what?

Speaking of things illogical...
This accusation has been thrown around liberally (by AJH and the Adventists), concerning posters you call "Christians." Perhaps you can clarify...

A Freeman said:​

'... the promotion of the ​

"no one can allegedly keep The Law, ​

so why try" doctrine / tradition..'​

You all (dutifully) ignore comments on the matter. I've never said anything like this-- nor have I seen it suggested by anyone else.

It smacks of Crowley's Do What Thou Wilt garbage.

So...
Would you please provide the link to the post promoting the"... so why try" doctrine, in this thread? Thank you.

. . .​

Edit: I forgot to tag
@JoChris
@Red Sky at Morning

 

[elsbet's cat ^. .^]

• * •
​

EGO Death?
1 Corinthians 15:30-32

​

KoK ( see also )​

And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?​

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in​

Christ Jesus our Lord, ​

I [take up my cross and] die daily [to "Self"].​

​

* text in green has been added by AJH (JAHTruth).​

ESV​

Why are we in danger every hour?​

I protest, brothers, by my pride in you, ​

which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, ​

I die every day! ​

This isn't about ego death; it's about persecution.
Ego-death is insufficient, anyway.

Also... the next verse is notable.

KoK bible​

1 Corinthians 15:32​

If, to speak after the manner of men, I have​

fought with beasts at Ephesus, what​

advantageth it me, if the "dead" rise not?​

​

"Let us eat and drink ​

[ the Lord's Supper ]​

- for tomorrow we die."​

​

ESV​

1 Corinthians 15:32​

What do I gain if, humanly speaking, ​

I fought with beasts at Ephesus? ​

If the dead* are not raised, ​

​

"Let us eat and drink​

- for tomorrow we die."​

​

The comment conveys an attitude or a mindset; not an action.

And dead is not in quotation marks in verse 32.
Nekros or nekroi (νεκροὶ) means dead.

What is the Lord's Supper?
Is it the same as the Last Supper?

This is the language of epicures, and of such​

that disbelieve the resurrection of the dead, ​

and a future state, to whom the apostle applies​

the words in 1 Corinthians 15:32.​

Gill's Exposition​

​

Epicure - A person devoted to sensuous pleasure and luxurious living.​

Look at the cross references:

​

Luke 17​

Just as it was in the days of Noah, ​

so will it be in the days of the Son of Man.​

​

They were eating and drinking and marrying​

and being given in marriage, until the day when​

Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and​

destroyed them all.​

​

Isaiah 22:12-13​

On that day the Lord GOD of Hosts​

called for weeping and wailing...​

But look, there is joy and gladness... ​

eating of meat and drinking of wine:​

​

"Let us eat and drink​

- for tomorrow we die."​

JFB Commentary
Notwithstanding Jehovah's "call to mourning," many shall make the desperate state of affairs a reason for reckless revelry.
See: Isa 5:11, 12, 14; Jer 18:12; 1Co 15:32

These bear no resemblance to the Last Supper.
They are examples of the historical Pagan Alcoholidays. Bacchanalia... wanton debauchery-- I could go on.

Bacchus​

​

...
Edit:
@JoChris
@Red Sky at Morning

 

[A Freeman]

•
Whoever is dead
has been freed from sin.
Romans 6:7​

For he that is dead, is freed from sin.

Romans 6:7. Ἀποθανὼν, dead) to sin
Romans 6:2.—δεδιχαίωται, [is freed from sin] is justified-- Sin has now no longer any claim against him in law; with which comp. Romans 6:6; Romans 6:9, so that he is no longer a debtor, ch. Romans 8:12.

In respect of the past, he is justified-- from the guilt of sin; in respect of the future, from its dominion, Romans 6:14.


Like what?

Speaking of things illogical...
This accusation has been thrown around liberally (by AJH and the Adventists), concerning posters you call "Christians." Perhaps you can clarify...

A Freeman said:​

'... the promotion of the ​

"no one can allegedly keep The Law, ​

so why try" doctrine / tradition..'​

You all (dutifully) ignore comments on the matter. I've never said anything like this-- nor have I seen it suggested by anyone else.

It smacks of Crowley's Do What Thou Wilt garbage.

So...
Would you please provide the link to the post promoting the"... so why try" doctrine, in this thread? Thank you.

. . .
​

You're trying to argue that freedom is somehow slavery, and that good is somehow evil, etc., and it will NEVER work.

Romans 6:6-8
6:6 Knowing this, that our old man (the human) is crucified with [him], THAT THE BODY OF SIN MIGHT BE DESTROYED, that henceforth we should NOT serve sin.
6:7 For he (the "Self") that is dead is freed from sin.
6:8 Now if we (our "Self") be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also Live with him:

Galatians 2:20 My "Self" is crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I (the "Self"), but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The only way one can be freed from sin is to STOP SINNING. Christ came to destroy the works of the devil (sin/evil/selfishness), NOT to multiply sin/crime/breaking The Law.

The very fact that you make this post, either mistakenly believing or pretending that bondage to sin is freedom and that freeing one's self from sin by keeping The Law is somehow bondage, is proof of the "Christian" doctrine/tradition of preaching and teaching others that we don't have to keep The Law/Commandments of God, and/or that we can't do it, which is the exact opposite of what Christ teaches.

If you wish to search through this thread and elsewhere on this forum to see how James 2:10 has likewise been misinterpreted to promote the "why try..." doctrine, knock yourself out.

We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey. If we obey God and His Law/Commandments, then we are His Children. If we continue in sin, i.e. continue to obey Satan and his made-up rules, legislation, policies, codes and traditions, etc. -- all of which are prohibited under The Law that God gave us -- then we are his children.

We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey.

 

[Alanantic]

You people chatter incessantly. Do you get closer to God by doing so? Do you get closer to each other? The minutia you argue about is done with such passion for it is SO important. What's MOST important? Argue about That.

 

[JoChris]

Why do you feel the need to LIE about virtually everything? Is it so commonplace for you that you don't even know anymore when you are doing it?

There is a famous YouTube Christian apologist called Christian Prince.
When the rare Muslim actually gives him a call, they very commonly call him a liar despite CP always:
quoting their Quran IN CONTEXT
quoting their Sharia Law IN CONTEXT
quoting their Hadiths IN CONTEXT

You are being the little boy who cried wolf.

In all my threads named "comparison of JAHtruth's "the way home or face the fire compared to the bible", I have quoted your cult leader's verses completely.
Quoting TWHOFTF verses in context is not lying.
I have quoted the bible verses/ passages in context. That is not lying.

I have shown how your religion's beliefs match non Christian religions way more than Christianity.
Giving a position that is contrary to your beliefs is not lying.

You are bearing false witness... yet again....

 

[A Freeman]

In all my threads named "comparison of JAHtruth's "the way home or face the fire compared to the bible", I have quoted your cult leader's verses completely.

It's not the quoting of the Truth found in the verses in The Way home or face The Fire by JAH that is being called into question; it's your deceitful commentary and other, myriad of lies that you have told for which you are being correctly called out on, to provide you with the opportunity to REPENT, while you still have time to do so.

Quoting TWHOFTF verses in context is not lying.

Agreed. As above please. Those verses are true.

It's your commentary and false accusations, based upon the false god and false 'gospel' you worship and promote for which you have been lovingly offered correction, so that others are not misled by the LIES you have repeatedly told, either out of ignorance or deliberately.

I have quoted the bible verses/ passages in context. That is not lying.

Please stop feigning ignorance of what you're doing, which itself is deceitful. You don't just quote text or the Bible; you then want to teach everyone else why you and your man-made traditions are allegedly correct and why the Scripture is allegedly wrong, which is satanic.

Whenever you tell people the exact opposite of what it actually says in Scripture -- to protect and defend the traditions and doctrines of men (which are found nowhere in the Bible) -- they are being dishonest. THAT is what needs to stop.

I have shown how your religion's beliefs match non Christian religions way more than Christianity.

Instead of humbly admitting that what has been shared out of Scripture, including The Way home or face The Fire by JAH, which itself is Scripture (see John 16:25; Revelation 10:1-10 and Revelation 2:17 for proof of this fact)
Giving a position that is contrary to your beliefs is not lying.

You are bearing false witness... yet again....

As above please. You are again pretending that all you're doing is quoting Scripture, when that is very obviously NOT what you're doing, or you wouldn't need multiple threads to provide people with your(?) scripturally unsupported opinions about why this and that Scripture is allegedly in error. And the specific lies that you have told/written, along with the Scripture that proves what you've written to be a lie, have been brought to your attention on numerous occasions. To date, you have chosen to ignore it all.

It's understood that you are spiritually blinded by your own arrogance/ignorance of Scripture, but that too is being brought to your attention so that you can repent and learn to shut your mouth/stop writing all of the lies, exactly as you've been COMMANDED by God to do in Scripture (Gen. 3:16; Exod. 20:16; Deut. 5:20; Matt. 5:37; 1 Cor. 11:3; 11:7-9; 14:34-35; Eph. 5:22-29; 1 Tim. 2:11-15; Titus 2:4-5; 1 Peter 3:1-6).

Your "who, lil' ole me?" routine isn't going to work, as God sees everything that you are doing, all of which you will be accountable for on the Last Day, same as the rest of us.

Please consider all of this very carefully. Your false, anti-Christ accusations are hurting YOU. They have no impact whatsoever on the Gospel Truth/Good News from God that there is still time to REPENT of our sins/evils and CHANGE our sinful, evil ways, which is the ONLY Way to be reborn as our true, spiritual selves and be at ONE with God and His Christ.

Peace be upon you.

 

[elsbet's cat ^. .^]

You're trying to argue that freedom is somehow slavery, and that good is somehow evil, etc., and it will NEVER work.

Romans 6:6-8
6:6 Knowing this, that our old man (the human) is crucified with [him], THAT THE BODY OF SIN MIGHT BE DESTROYED, that henceforth we should NOT serve sin.
6:7 For he (the "Self") that is dead is freed from sin.
6:8 Now if we (our "Self") be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also Live with him:

Galatians 2:20 My "Self" is crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I (the "Self"), but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The only way one can be freed from sin is to STOP SINNING. Christ came to destroy the works of the devil (sin/evil/selfishness), NOT to multiply sin/crime/breaking The Law.

The very fact that you make this post, either mistakenly believing or pretending that bondage to sin is freedom and that freeing one's self from sin by keeping The Law is somehow bondage, is proof of the "Christian" doctrine/tradition of preaching and teaching others that we don't have to keep The Law/Commandments of God, and/or that we can't do it, which is the exact opposite of what Christ teaches.

If you wish to search through this thread and elsewhere on this forum to see how James 2:10 has likewise been misinterpreted to promote the "why try..." doctrine, knock yourself out.

We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey. If we obey God and His Law/Commandments, then we are His Children. If we continue in sin, i.e. continue to obey Satan and his made-up rules, legislation, policies, codes and traditions, etc. -- all of which are prohibited under The Law that God gave us -- then we are his children.

We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey.

I have already knocked myself out-- I've searched the entire Religion forum and found nothing.

So...
Would you please provide the link to the post promoting the "... so why try" doctrine, in this thread?

Thank you, again.
.

 

[A Freeman]

I have already knocked myself out-- I've searched the entire Religion forum and found nothing.

So...
Would you please provide the link to the post promoting the "... so why try" doctrine, in this thread?

Thank you, again.
.

Every single post in this thread and on this forum that is falsely claiming we no longer have to keep The Law, or that we cannot keep The Law, or that Gentiles do not have to keep The Law, or that if we ever sin we can never repent and turn back to God and keeping of His Law (a misinterpretation/misunderstanding of James 2:10, which has been specifically quoted by so-called "Christians" numerous times on this forum), etc., etc., etc. is making the summary claim "we cannot keep The Law -- only God can keep The Law -- so why try?"

If you wish to pretend otherwise, that's your prerogative.

Perhaps you could instead show everyone where Jesus said we no longer have to keep The Law? It should be in the Gospel accounts IF Jesus said such a thing, which of course He did not.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I read this just now from an ex SDA:

“Neither Zoroaster, nor Numa, nor Mohammed, nor Rasputin, nor even Joseph Smith of the Mormons, nor Charles Taze Russell of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, nor Ellen G. White of the Seventh-day Adventists, —nor any of the other so-called prophets who have misled the nations, have ever professed to have come by their religious systems from the imagination of their own brains. Rather, these false teachers have claimed that their teachings were derived from special and secret revelations, revelations made to them by God.

So then, what do they each have in common? Namely this; they have each added to the Holy, inspired, all-sufficient and inerrant Word of God.

They may have done this for the wealth that was in their pens. Some indeed may have created their religion for their own sensual pleasures. Or, they may have done it to build a great name, or even to build an empire. In fact, each of these false teachers may have created their own special religions for any number of grotesque reasons. I say this because it is out of the abundance of their own corrupt hearts, and not divine revelation, that they speak.

Being blind leaders themselves, they have led their blind followers into that eternal ditch which the Bible describes as Hell.

By speaking the truth, I have offended many of you who belong to the cults of these false prophets. I know this. However, I will let you be offended, for your churches, and your leaders have been an offense to God since their birth.

Yes, your church is a lie, your prophets are a lie, and your religion is a lie. Even your pious claims to loving the Bible is a lie. No matter which of these prophetic groups you belong to, from start to finish, they (and you also, if you belong to them or group like them), each of you are a lie.

What is the significance of this?

The significance is that your group is committing murder. And this murder is far worse than the murder of unborn children, for it is a spiritual murder; it is an everlasting and eternal murder. It is a murder of damnation that they and you (by your participation) are committing.

Therefore, and you need to understand this well, there can be no true right hand of Christian fellowship offered you, for you are not a Christian. There can be no Christian brotherhood offered you, for you are not one of us.

To you, there can only be a call to repentance and a call to lay down your weapons of rebellion. And until you do that; until you repent and until you return to the Bible alone, and to Christ alone (for when you change the Bible and the Gospel you change your Christ, ie, Mohammedism) the Bible says that you are in a lost condition, and you are standing outside the gates of heaven.

But here is what I can offer...

I can offer to point you to Jesus. I can offer to point you to hope. For the Bible says, “All those the Father gives me will come to me...” If you feel God stirring in your heart if you can see that in the eyes of God that you are very much a vile sinner, then know this that all such stirrings are from the Lord. And I beg you, lay down your weapons of rebellion, lay down your false prophet, lay down your own righteousness, for the Bible says that all your righteousness is nothing more than “filthy rags.” Yes, lay it all down and say, “Lord Jesus, I come.” Jesus says, “and whoever comes to me, I will never drive away.” John 6:37

Right now, I am praying for you. My heart is burdened for you. My dear friends, I have been in those shoes of a cult. I was in the Seventh Day Adventist cult; I even ministered there. But since I have found the true Jesus, the Jesus of the Gospel, how often have I wept for those of you left behind. Even today, 40+ years later, as I near the end of my life, I am still hoping and still praying that the light of the Gospel will finally take hold in that cult and that many of you will find Jesus; --not the Ellen White Jesus, but the true Jesus.

May God hear my prayer,

Amen”

 

[Alanantic]

Every single post in this thread and on this forum that is falsely claiming we no longer have to keep The Law, or that we cannot keep The Law, or that Gentiles do not have to keep The Law, or that if we ever sin we can never repent and turn back to God and keeping of His Law (a misinterpretation/misunderstanding of James 2:10, which has been specifically quoted by so-called "Christians" numerous times on this forum), etc., etc., etc. is making the summary claim "we cannot keep The Law -- only God can keep The Law -- so why try?"

If you wish to pretend otherwise, that's your prerogative.

Perhaps you could instead show everyone where Jesus said we no longer have to keep The Law? It should be in the Gospel accounts IF Jesus said such a thing, which of course He did not.

One only needs to obey the laws of Nature. Those aren't in any book. They are deep within and instinctual. They're based on empathy and cooperation. "Always let your conscience be your guide." -- Jiminy Cricket

"If you take the Christian Bible and put it out into the rain, wind, and snow, it will soon dissolve. Our religion IS the rain, wind, and snow." -- Native American medicine woman.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

You people chatter incessantly. Do you get closer to God by doing so? Do you get closer to each other? The minutia you argue about is done with such passion for it is SO important. What's MOST important? Argue about That.

Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.

C. S. Lewis

Because @A Freeman seeks to attack true Christianity and substitute a system of legalism which is presently cheating some out of the true gospel, thie choice is either to ignore it or stand up to it.

 

[Alanantic]

Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.

C. S. Lewis

Because @A Freeman seeks to attack true Christianity and substitute a system of legalism which is presently cheating some out of the true gospel, thie choice is either to ignore it or stand up to it.

I ignore it. But that's just me. It's trivial! Arguing does nothing but divide us.

 

[A Freeman]

When someone sees everything upside down and backwards, through self-centered, egotistical human eyes, they mistakenly believe truth is a lie and that lies are somehow the truth.

The True Gospel contains the True Teachings of Christ.

Christ plainly told everyone that heaven and earth would pass away before The Law passed away, and that anyone who taught others to break even the least of the Commandments is the lowest of the low in God's Eyes (Matt. 5:17-20), which is exactly what anyone who calls obeying God's Law "legalism" is doing.

There is only ONE Way to be ONE with The ONE True God, and that is for everyone to unite under God's Law to do His Will.

All other paths lead to The Fire.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I ignore it. But that's just me. It's trivial! Arguing does nothing but divide us.

I think there is a time to ignore it as well. There is even a button on this site for that very purpose and I must confess to being a user of that facility from time to time!

Hope you are doing OK in this crazy world @Alanantic ?

Btw - I note your quote:

One only needs to obey the laws of Nature. Those aren't in any book. They are deep within and instinctual. They're based on empathy and cooperation. "Always let your conscience be your guide." -- Jiminy Cricket

I am listening to Lord of the Rings on unabridged audiobook right now - I find it interesting how Tolkien understands how the conscience can be “re-wired” through the stories we force feed it with so that we can feel shame and disgust for that which is good and pride and contentment when doing evil, as in the case of Gollum…