Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible (part 2)

[A Freeman]

I think this is a question of the three parts being united in one sentence, but the concept of a body, a soul and a spirit are replete throughout scripture.

I think this mention is particularly relevant:

1 John 4:2

“Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:”

Thank-you for the verse. Where does it say anything though about 3 parts?

There is no doubt that Jesus Christ is OF God.

Question: If the body, soul and spirit are "replete throughout Scripture" then why don't we find them altogether except in two verses, neither of which are suggesting that we consist of those three parts?

Soul and spirit are used interchangeably when speaking of the soul/spirit leaving the body upon death, e.g. "as her soul was in departing (for she died)..." speaking of Rachel (Gen. 35:18), or "she hath given up the ghost" (Jer. 15:9) - a couple of Old Covenant examples, same word (nap̄·šāh); or, in the New Covenant we have Christ leaving the body of Jesus described as "he gave up the Spirit" (John 19:30 - Greek "pneuma") and elsewhere the soul (pysche) is spoken of in a similar manner (Matt. 10:28).

Elsewhere, pneuma is used to describe the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God - Matt. 3:16) , or an evil spirit (e.g. Luke 9:55), i.e. an outside influence over the human+Being.

So is 1 Thessalonians 5:23, or Hebrews 4:12 actually teaching us some new doctrine about being a three parts that is found nowhere else in Scripture, or are both verses actually consistent with the rest of Scripture, where we are told the flesh is flesh (human) and the individual spirit/soul is the individual spirit/soul, that can be influenced by either the Holy Spirit or an evil spirit.

If you are convinced that we are still 3 parts after considering all of the above, then please explain to us what the differences are between the soul and the spirit and the flesh/body.

 

[JoChris]

And before anyone says I am only giving my own opinion or insinuates I am being rude etc - remember that the bible does not go into detail about women's virtues like Anthony John Hill (JAHtruth) does about his ideal woman in TWHOFTF. I will inevitably give my own opinions as a result.
If you disagree with me doing that or find that offensive, too bad.

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For a reminder on the BIBLE's ideal woman:



Compare it to the below passage from "The way home or catch the fire":

3:121 A REAL lady (spiritual-qualities, NOT money, or titles) has already learned special qualities, that are preparing her to become a man, in a later lifetime. She has grace and elegance, WITHOUT arrogance; is 100% feminine (soft; warm; affectionate and loving); is self-sacrificing and humble, towards her loved-ones and people in general; is modest about her body, and does not exhibit her nakedness to anyone, except her husband; is a virgin when she gets married, saving her charms, unspoiled, for the man she loves (a woman, almost always, falls in love with, and never forgets, the man to whom she gives her virginity)(lst. Timothy 2:15).

In an ideal world yes a woman should have those character traits, but so should a MAN!!!!

e.g. In today's world it is extremely rare for a woman to be a virgin when she married - she can't have heterosexual sex solo.
Is AJH's going to condemn for men leading women into sin too?!!!!

3:122 A lady has progressed from being an animal, and attracting people with sex, to wanting people to respect and be attracted to her soul, which is the real her.
That is an extremely offensive statement.

The way AJH goes on he would condemn Rahab and Ruth in the Old Testament as well (and put them way back in the reincarnation cycle).

The Harlot who pleased God: the story of Rahab
The story of Ruth and Naomi

 

[JoChris]

3:123 She has also learned the difference, between love and emotion, and last but not least, has learned COMPASSION, which is a God-like quality, and the most important qualification needed, to become a man.

I would love to know if he was emotionally neglected/ emotionally abused by his mother/ other female relatives when he was growing up.
Seriously.

Is AJH really suggesting that MEN have more compassion?!!!
In the 21st century men still do the hard and often unpleasant jobs and deeds because women tend to recoil from them! Men have always been the ones who went to war! Men kill the livestock etc etc.

It doesn't matter how much education and propaganda is given to girls to do traditionally masculine roles like military and police, women still prefer to do people-focused jobs overall.

To work with people REQUIRES compassion and patience and endurance if a person stays at it long-term.

3:124 The lowest male spiritual-level, is above the highest female spiritual-level, in terms of the understanding of spiritual-matters, of love and compassion, but, because a soul has had to start again, on becoming a man, there are women who appear to be more intelligent, than some men, in worldly-matters. This is designed, so that the two sexes can help each other, on the upward climb. Mothers; being on a lower spiritual, and more human (physical) level; are equipped to take care of the physical-needs, of the family’s bodies:- feeding; cleaning; nursing; choosing and mending clothes; etc.; and giving affection. Dads; being on a higher spiritual-level, and less emotional; are better equipped to take care of the family’s discipline, and spiritual-guidance.

AJH is trying to hide his misogyny in religious/ spiritual terminology.
It doesn't work on people who can read between the lines.

According to AJH a male who abuses his wife, is a criminal, never achieves anything constructive in is life is still higher above any woman because he is a man.
He is further in the reincarnation cycle than us after all.

 

[JoChris]

3:125 Women; as opposed to ladies; are often moral-less, adapting themselves to the morals of their partner, and changing when they change their partner, and they generally have no code of honour.

If a woman's morals deteriorate because she adapts to her man, that says a lot about the man. His morals are in fact worse than hers. A lousy man influenced her negatively.

Where is your condemnation for the men who are losers AJH?

Whose code of honour - the man or the woman's?
Of course AJH would say the woman, the woman is always inferior according to him.

3:126 People say that women can be vicious; callous; bitchy; catty; emotional (all of which are animal-attributes); materialistic; scheming; have no compassion or pity, and have vicious tempers and tongues - “Hell (Planet Earth) has no fury like a woman’s scorn.”
I would love to know if AJH was misfortunate enough to get a bad woman in his life/ how he treated in general women.
Both men and women can choose the wrong partner.
Both men and women can be terrible partners themselves.
AJH made a big overgeneralisation there.

3:127 Man should firmly, but gently (like God does), use his superior strength and understanding, to maintain discipline and order.
Of course he would say that. He put Quran 4:34 in brackets earlier in the ebook.

3:128 Women are more materialistic than men, and men just slave their lives away, to buy things for their women, and some work themselves to death, in the process.
3:129 Who wears the jewellery in a family (silly bits of yellow metal and coloured stones), and who has the biggest wardrobe of clothes? (Isaiah 3:16-24).
Isaiah 3:16-24 refers to what the daughters of Zion were behaving like back in Isaiah's day.

Does AJH have Scottish blood in him (no offence intended to real Scottish people BTW)?

 

[JoChris]

3:130 Once the soul has become a man, it then has to work towards perfecting its understanding of compassion, spiritual love and self-LESSness. It should be honourable and moral, fighting evil and injustice, and to protect its family, whilst working towards being a perfect (as far as is possible in Hell) man, like Jesus.
That sounds like the old-fashioned stories of the "Knight in shining armour", almost sweet in a way.

Earth is not Hell.

3:131 A soul is only as good as its word, and only has the same value as its word of honour. There is no such thing as a special “word of honour”, because every word should be honourable and the truth. “You wius ll NOT bear false witness (tell lies)” – 10 COMMANDMENTS, and in Matt. 5:37, “Let your communication be yes, yes; no, no: for whatever is more than these comes from (d)evil.” Don’t fool yourselves, with thinking that you are getting-away-with telling lies, because you are not, you are only hurting your own souls.

The problem for AJH is that God will judge us for everything we have said and done in this life, including lies we made unknowingly.

AJH preaching that he is Jesus reborn/ reincarnated (or whatever word disguise they invent next) is a lie.

These verses are from third and second last chapters of the bible:

Revelation 20: 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[JoChris]

3:132 The two sexes, in marriage, are supposed to become one flesh (Gen. 2:24)(Matt. 19:5 & N.B. 1st. Corinthians 6:16),

Correct here.

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

For context:
Matthew 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him [Jesus], tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

For context:
1 Corinthians 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

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and soul-mates, becoming not only one flesh, but also one soul, making one complete unified and indivisible body and soul, to help each othe and physically, on their upwards and homeward climb.


There is no search result for "soul mates" in the KJV.
If you do a search for "soul mates religion" on Google and Duckduckgo there are many links to New Age and Eastern religion websites.

In fact Christians are told not to yoke with unbelievers - if husband and wife automatically became soul mates as a result of sexual intimacy then the commandment would not have been given.
Whole passage 2 Corinthians 6:14-18

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

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3:133 They are supposed to create a loving, stable environment (Garden of Eden), into which to bring children, and to teach their children’s souls to be good; unselfish; compassionate; and to have an understanding of stable and lasting spiritual love.
3:134 This teaches spiritual love, because in a good (God-fearing) family there is no incestual-sex, only pure spiritual Love.

True, inc*st of all kinds was condemned in Leviticus chapter 18.

The most God fearing families still have family members who have sinners. Only God has pure spiritual love.

3:135 There are varying degrees of masculinity and femininity, and in order for the two, together, to make one perfect whole, and one flesh, they need to be complementary, as well as compatible.

3:136 A man who is 100% male, needs a woman who is 100% female, and a man who is 75% male and 25% female, needs a woman who is 75% female and 25% male, so that, together, they make 100% male and 100% female, and make one whole flesh (Matt. 19:6 & Mark 10:8).
The bible doesn't have those statistics that AJH offers here. The verses do not suggest that claim.

Matthew 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Mark 10: 8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

 

[JoChris]

3:137 The two partners must really be SOUL-mates (that is why Jesus could not find one, because he was an “odd-man-out”, and did not belong here, in Hell), becoming one soul, striving to be good, against all the world’s temptations and opposition, clinging to each other, for spiritual survival and LIFE, until their human-death.
That is pure speculation about why Jesus remained single.

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3:138 The family is supposed to cling together, against all odds, “come Hell (Earth) or high water (Noah).”

3:139 Unfortunately, marriages are now based on material, and therefore superficial-values, instead of spiritual, pure love-values: so they do not work. The partners stop trying and are tempted by adulterers, and money-values, and the marriage breaks-down. Both partners must keep God’s COMMANDMENTS, and help each other to overcome temptation and difficulties.

Old novels describe in great detail about marriage conflict - even Shakespeare's plays include marriage problems as a major part of the plot.

Modern society has made it a lot more socially acceptable to both cheat on one's spouse and to give up on marriage prematurely though.
I actually agree with AJH that if spouses obeyed God's commandments the marriage would become easier.

Matthew 22:36-40
Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Neighbour INCLUDES spouse.

3:140 The man is supposed to set a good example for the family, and teach them, from his higher level of spiritual-understanding, and the woman is supposed to learn, from him, and help him to be a GENTLEman and to teach their children, how to be LADIES and GENTLEMEN. The wife should NEVER try to undermine, and castrate (metaphorically) her husband, but should do her best to encourage him to be a man (1st. Timothy 2:9-15).

3:141 A family is like a ship (Ark), and, IF it is going to float and not get wrecked, it has to have a captain (father - like in the British Royal Navy) and a good first-mate (wife), cook and crew, etc.

3:142 Just like a good first-mate is invaluable to a captain, a good woman can help to make a good man, and a bad woman could break him (and vice-versa), if he let her, by loving her more than God (the Divine navigator, to steer a straight course home).

3:143 That is why a woman should love; honour; cherish and OBEY her husband (unless he is trying to get her to do wrong), through good and bad times (and not leave a sinking-ship - but help with the bailing-out), until death, and learn from him, and help and encourage him to be good.

AJH gives quite a good metaphor for teamwork between husband and wife. As the wife of an ex-soldier I understand what he is getting at.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Thank-you for the verse. Where does it say anything though about 3 parts?

There is no doubt that Jesus Christ is OF God.

Question: If the body, soul and spirit are "replete throughout Scripture" then why don't we find them altogether except in two verses, neither of which are suggesting that we consist of those three parts?

Soul and spirit are used interchangeably when speaking of the soul/spirit leaving the body upon death, e.g. "as her soul was in departing (for she died)..." speaking of Rachel (Gen. 35:18), or "she hath given up the ghost" (Jer. 15:9) - a couple of Old Covenant examples, same word (nap̄·šāh); or, in the New Covenant we have Christ leaving the body of Jesus described as "he gave up the Spirit" (John 19:30 - Greek "pneuma") and elsewhere the soul (pysche) is spoken of in a similar manner (Matt. 10:28).

Elsewhere, pneuma is used to describe the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God - Matt. 3:16) , or an evil spirit (e.g. Luke 9:55), i.e. an outside influence over the human+Being.

So is 1 Thessalonians 5:23, or Hebrews 4:12 actually teaching us some new doctrine about being a three parts that is found nowhere else in Scripture, or are both verses actually consistent with the rest of Scripture, where we are told the flesh is flesh (human) and the individual spirit/soul is the individual spirit/soul, that can be influenced by either the Holy Spirit or an evil spirit.

If you are convinced that we are still 3 parts after considering all of the above, then please explain to us what the differences are between the soul and the spirit and the flesh/body.

Genesis 2

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Clearly Adam had a living body and a soul/mind subsequent to his disobedience, so which part died that day?

I found this interesting as it sets out both views in an even handed way. I favour the tripartite view as it makes the most overall sense to me, but you are welcome to your own views. I suspect the source for ambiguity is that not everyone has a living spirit

btw - as this is somewhat off topic, it might be better pursued on a different thread?

To the topic, do you endorse or distance yourself from the spiritual relations between men and women as set out in TWHOFTF? People may assume you agree, but that might not be the case?

 

[A Freeman]

I found this interesting as it sets out both views in an even handed way. I favour the tripartite view as it makes the most overall sense to me, but you are welcome to your own views…

Do we have two or three parts? Body, soul, and spirit? Dichotomy or trichotomy? | GotQuestions.org

Do we have two or three parts? Body, soul, and spirit? Is humanity dichotomous or trichotomous?

www.gotquestions.org

btw - as this is somewhat off topic, it might be better pursued on a different thread?

To the topic, do you endorse or distance yourself from the spiritual relations between men and women as set out in TWHOFTF? People may assume you agree, but that might not be the case?

Thank-you.

There is an expression that Gen. Wesley Clark used in describing the American penchant for going to war in the immediate wake of 9/11, which most now know was an inside job/false flag:

"When a hammer is the only tool in a man's toolbox, every job looks like a nail."

That seems to sum up the totally unscriptural "trinitarian" viewpoint.

Like the 3 = 1 confusion used by "Christianity" to describe their god, the "tripartite being" idea likewise finds no support in Scripture, does it? Two verses that contain the words "body, soul and spirit", neither of which actually state that those are somehow three parts that make up a human+Being, is hardly "replete throughout Scripture" as you described it. In fact even most Biblical scholars reject the attempt to try to redefine the soul's relationship to the body, because it amounts to ignoring hundreds upon hundreds of verses, including the creation story in Genesis and everything Christ taught about the spirit and the flesh in The Law. Please find a relatively logical look at this topic at the link below:-

What Is the Soul? Is It Different from the Spirit?

Religious or not, most people believe they have some form of a soul. Whether they loosely believe in a concept like “the human spirit,” or they believe…

zondervanacademic.com

This is yet another topic where "Christians" choose to base their entire opinion on the misinterpretations of the letters of Paul, wrongly assuming that the letters of Paul somehow contradict and supersede the rest of Scripture.

The reason that this is very much on topic, is because it is precisely what is going on with this thread and the its predecessor, the other hit-piece thread. People bring their errant "trinitarian" hammer with them to dissect Scripture, and then cry "it can't be so" when they are clearly shown through Scripture that everything isn't a nail.

Sadly the spiritually blind are enamored with their hammer that they never realize it is being used to drive the nails afresh into Jesus and thus into their own spiritual and physical coffins.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Thank-you.

There is an expression that Gen. Wesley Clark used in describing the American penchant for going to war in the immediate wake of 9/11, which most now know was an inside job/false flag:

"When a hammer is the only tool in a man's toolbox, every job looks like a nail."

That seems to sum up the totally unscriptural "trinitarian" viewpoint.

Like the 3 = 1 confusion used by "Christianity" to describe their god, the "tripartite being" idea likewise finds no support in Scripture, does it? Two verses that contain the words "body, soul and spirit", neither of which actually state that those are somehow three parts that make up a human+Being, is hardly "replete throughout Scripture" as you described it. In fact even most Biblical scholars reject the attempt to try to redefine the soul's relationship to the body, because it amounts to ignoring hundreds upon hundreds of verses, including the creation story in Genesis and everything Christ taught about the spirit and the flesh in The Law. Please find a relatively logical look at this topic at the link below:-

What Is the Soul? Is It Different from the Spirit?

Religious or not, most people believe they have some form of a soul. Whether they loosely believe in a concept like “the human spirit,” or they believe…

zondervanacademic.com

This is yet another topic where "Christians" choose to base their entire opinion on the misinterpretations of the letters of Paul, wrongly assuming that the letters of Paul somehow contradict and supersede the rest of Scripture.

The reason that this is very much on topic, is because it is precisely what is going on with this thread and the its predecessor, the other hit-piece thread. People bring their errant "trinitarian" hammer with them to dissect Scripture, and then cry "it can't be so" when they are clearly shown through Scripture that everything isn't a nail.

Sadly the spiritually blind are enamored with their hammer that they never realize it is being used to drive the nails afresh into Jesus and thus into their own spiritual and physical coffins.

I added to my post subsequent to your response, so I think you must have missed it…

Genesis 2

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Clearly Adam had a living body and a soul/mind subsequent to his disobedience, so which part died that day?

 

[A Freeman]

Further on the pagan "trinity", and why it is very clearly NOT a "distraction tactic", but is actually the central issue in this thread.

One of the many reasons The Way home or face The Fire by JAH was written is in fulfillment of prophecy, to explain and finish "the mystery of God".

Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible (part 2)

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/reincarnation-in-the-bible/ What does the Bible say about reincarnation? The idea of reincarnation is never mentioned in the Bible, however, scripture does talk of being "born again" as a child of God through His Son, Jesus Christ. The Bible does...

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The reason God has remained a mystery to most (if not everyone), is precisely because people still do not simply read the Scriptures and ask for God's Help in understanding them and putting what it actually says in Scripture into action in their daily lives.

Instead, because Satan deceived men into creating BUSINESSES to market and sell various pagan traditions, doctrines and superstitions, people have chosen to support their name-brand franchise, citing their customer recruitment propaganda and the verses in the Old Covenant, New Covenant or the Koran/Quran that they feel best supports their franchise. After all, they are heavily invested in this idea, and thus could never accept that they could be wrong, even though there are thousands upon thousands of different franchises/sects/cults/denominations, etc.

This is exactly why God has remained a mystery to most, even after Christ explained 2000 years ago that our very Eternal Lives DEPEND upon getting to personally know and love God and His Christ.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

 

[A Freeman]

We have been given very clear instruction on how to avoid the confusion, and how to lead a God-guided Life, where we are walking with God every step of The Way.

John 14:21-24
14:21 He that hath my COMMANDments, and KEEPETH them, HE it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
14:22 Jude saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and NOT unto the world?
14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will obey my words: and my Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
14:24 He that loveth me not obeyeth not my sayings: and the Truth which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Acts 5:29-32
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.

This is very, very simple and it is the Good News, Gospel Truth: anyone who genuinely wants to draw closer to and get to know God -- even at this late hour -- can do so, through obedience and the self-discipline and determination required to stick with it.

You don't get to know someone up close and personal without working WITH them on a daily basis. And you can't claim to be with God while continuing to work against Him. Sin (disobedience to Him by breaking His Law/committing crimes) keeps us from working with God and learning how to do His Will. Sin therefore makes it impossible to get to know God.

Think of every single moment of every single day as another opportunity to work WITH God and His Christ and all of the angels of heaven -- All of Whom do God's Will -- learning to do God's Will and delighting in doing so. It is a truly amazing experience.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

There is no other way to love one another, as Father (God) and His Christ (Whom Father sent) have loved us.

 

[A Freeman]

I added to my post subsequent to your response, so I think you must have missed it…

Genesis 2

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Clearly Adam had a living body and a soul/mind subsequent to his disobedience, so which part died that day?

Adam was a human+Being. God and the Angels created humans (Gen. 1:26) on the 6th day and then God placed a spiritual-Being (Soul) inside of them (Gen. 2:7).

When he walked with God, Adam KNEW that he was a spiritual-Being (Soul) clothed in a human-animal body. Adam was correctly seeing things spiritually.

When Eve and then Adam sinned, their human eyes were opened, at which time they saw themselves through human eyes as naked humans, instead of through spiritual eyes, as unashamed spiritual-Beings clothed in human bodies.

So just exactly as God warned, the human bodies that Adam and Eve incarnated experienced human death, as every man and woman has experienced ever since for the very same reason: listening to and obeying Lucifer/Satan instead of listening to and obeying God.

Genesis 3:1-11
3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the "I AM" God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it (the tree of the knowledge of evil - the devil), LEST YE DIE.
3:4 And the serpent (devil - liar) said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they [were] naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
3:8 And they heard the voice of the "I AM" God [the tree of the Knowledge of Good-God] walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the Presence of the "I AM" God amongst the trees of the garden.
3:9 And the "I AM" God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?
3:10 And he said, I heard Thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I [was] naked; and I hid myself.
3:11 And He said, Who told thee that thou [wast] naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I COMMANDED thee that thou shouldest NOT eat?

And we have been experiencing human death ever since, for exactly the same reason. Even today most (including all "Christians") mistakenly believe that they will not experience the second death -- the death of the spiritual-Being/Soul in The Fire -- as long as they claim to "believe", as if it's possible to believe God and yet not believe God requires us to obey Him for our own benefit.

The flesh is flesh and the spirit is spirit.

 

[JoChris]

@A Freeman, are you in complete agreement with AJH''s teachings I showed above from 3:120 to 3:143?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@A Freeman, are you in complete agreement with AJH''s teachings I showed above from 3:120 to 3:143?

I was wondering that?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Adam was a human+Being. God and the Angels created humans (Gen. 1:26) on the 6th day and then God placed a spiritual-Being (Soul) inside of them (Gen. 2:7).

When he walked with God, Adam KNEW that he was a spiritual-Being (Soul) clothed in a human-animal body. Adam was correctly seeing things spiritually.

When Eve and then Adam sinned, their human eyes were opened, at which time they saw themselves through human eyes as naked humans, instead of through spiritual eyes, as unashamed spiritual-Beings clothed in human bodies.

So just exactly as God warned, the human bodies that Adam and Eve incarnated experienced human death, as every man and woman has experienced ever since for the very same reason: listening to and obeying Lucifer/Satan instead of listening to and obeying God.

Genesis 3:1-11
3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the "I AM" God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it (the tree of the knowledge of evil - the devil), LEST YE DIE.
3:4 And the serpent (devil - liar) said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they [were] naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
3:8 And they heard the voice of the "I AM" God [the tree of the Knowledge of Good-God] walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the Presence of the "I AM" God amongst the trees of the garden.
3:9 And the "I AM" God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?
3:10 And he said, I heard Thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I [was] naked; and I hid myself.
3:11 And He said, Who told thee that thou [wast] naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I COMMANDED thee that thou shouldest NOT eat?

And we have been experiencing human death ever since, for exactly the same reason. Even today most (including all "Christians") mistakenly believe that they will not experience the second death -- the death of the spiritual-Being/Soul in The Fire -- as long as they claim to "believe", as if it's possible to believe God and yet not believe God requires us to obey Him for our own benefit.

The flesh is flesh and the spirit is spirit.

So which part of Adam died the day he sinned?

 

[JoChris]

I was wondering that?

Now is as any good time to ask as any.

Is this JAHtruth here? (2018 video)

I noticed here Tony Farrell has a similar beard.

Face Mask Madness – Part Three

In this 3rd episode of Face Mask Madness, I use four farcical fabled stories to “unkindly” square-up traitorous activities on The Rock during the Covid era.

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Does AJH teach all men should grow a similar beard if they are able to do so?

 

[A Freeman]

Numbers 6
6:1 And the "I AM" spoke unto Moses, saying,
6:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate [themselves] to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate [themselves] unto the "I AM":
6:3 He shall separate [himself] from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.
6:4 All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.
6:5 All the days of the vow of his separation there shall no razor come upon his head: until the days be fulfilled, in the which he separateth [himself] unto the "I AM", he shall be holy, [and] shall let the locks of the hair of his head grow.
6:6 All the days that he separateth [himself] unto the "I AM" he shall come at no dead body.
6:7 He shall not make himself unclean for his father, or for his mother, for his brother, or for his sister, when they die: because the consecration of his God [is] upon his head.
6:8 All the days of his separation he [is] holy unto the "I AM".

 

[A Freeman]

So which part of Adam died the day he sinned?

Why don't you explain it to us Red?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Why don't you explain it to us Red?

Body and Soul or Body, Soul and Spirit?

An interesting question came up in another thread - Are we two part or three part beings? Do we have a body and a soul (mind, will and emotions) or is there another component to our nature, the “hidden man of the heart”? What does the Bible teach...

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What is your response to the questions Jo and I have raised? As this thread is focussed on comparing and contrasting the KJV and TWHOFTF, do you stand by the teachings of AJH on the differences between sexes or not?