Bible verses contrasted with false teacher/s' doctrines

[JoChris]

Sounds like an inspired possesion imho.

I hadn't known much about Swedenborg except for having read a short 19th century book showing how unbiblical it is years ago.
The one thing that I thought was relevant to the thread is that his work compared to a certain cut-and-pasted "teacher": instead of jumbling Islam and Christianity, Swedenborg jumbled visions and communications with angels and Christianity.

The quality of the writings is incredibly higher though. I can see how intelligent people seeker an esoteric understanding of Christianity could be deceived by Swedenborg. The more I found yesterday, the more I got alarmed that how this man has influenced culture via well-known authors and writers being converted to Swedenborgianism.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I hadn't known much about Swedenborg except for having read a short 19th century book showing how unbiblical it is years ago.
The one thing that I thought was relevant to the thread is that his work compared to a certain cut-and-pasted "teacher": instead of jumbling Islam and Christianity, Swedenborg jumbled visions and communications with angels and Christianity.

The quality of the writings is incredibly higher though. I can see how intelligent people seeker an esoteric understanding of Christianity could be deceived by Swedenborg. The more I found yesterday, the more I got alarmed that how this man has influenced culture via well-known authors and writers being converted to Swedenborgianism.

Swedenborgianism

Swedenborgianism is the religion based on the teachings of an 18th-century Swedish mystic and occultist named Emanuel Swedenborg

carm.org

 

[JoChris]

Summary of what I found out:
If there is any church a religion focused VC-type blog could have written about whose teachings have permeated and influenced society, Swedenborgianism could be it. If people want to reject the bible but still generally approve of Christian morality AND want mysticism and mysterious experiences, Swedenborg is a good option.

Yesterday I tried to find relevant clips or sermons for people who prefer audio, but except for what I put in an earlier entry all I could find is Swedenborg believers (also known as the Church of the New Jerusalem).
A short but good summary why all Christians should treat the thankfully little known cult like COVID:
Why I am not a Swedenborgian: a letter to a friend

 

[JoChris]

A true Christian teacher will encourage us to trust in God, to believe our Heavenly Father is looking after us no matter how bad things seem to us.
A true preacher will give us hope and strengthen us through reminding us of God's promises revealed to us in the bible.

There is a big difference between fearing the Lord and being afraid of the Lord.

What Does It Mean for the Christian to Fear God?

God calls his children to fear him with trembling, reverence, awe, and worship — but not with cowering.

www.desiringgod.org

Some false teachers use fear to control and manipulate their listeners.
Cults are notorious for doing this to people. If a teacher can't charm a follower into doing what they want, they might use fear instead.
Cult definition website

 

[JoChris]

This is why I am amazed that Christian apologists haven't addressed Swedenborg at all!!! An alleged Christian writer that Carl Jung approved of is a dangerous one.

Carl Gustav Jung – (1875-1961). The great Swiss psychologist was a hugely influential twentieth century thinker. He acknowledged his debt to Swedenborg: ‘I admire Swedenborg as a great scientist and a great mystic at the same time. His life and work has always been of great interest to me, and I read seven fat volumes of his writings when I was a medical student’. References: Memories, Dreams, Reflections (1982) and Modern Man in Search of a Soul (1933).






Us modern 21st century people probably find it easy to forget that before entertainment could be recorded, musicians and actors were NOT the superstars and influencers of society today.

In those days it was in fact playwrights, authors, poetry writers and novelists. Those who WROTE changed minds via catching the people's hearts via WORDS, not music and film. If an author was converted to a religion/ cult, his readers were influenced to think like him. Changed language and concepts changes society.

• Warning: Pro Swedenborg websites

Famous people influenced by Swedenborg:
Swedenborg's cultural influence
Swedenborg's influence - the Swedenborg Project

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

This is why I am amazed that Christian apologists haven't addressed Swedenborg at all!!! An alleged Christian writer that Carl Jung approved of is a dangerous one.

Carl Gustav Jung – (1875-1961). The great Swiss psychologist was a hugely influential twentieth century thinker. He acknowledged his debt to Swedenborg: ‘I admire Swedenborg as a great scientist and a great mystic at the same time. His life and work has always been of great interest to me, and I read seven fat volumes of his writings when I was a medical student’. References: Memories, Dreams, Reflections (1982) and Modern Man in Search of a Soul (1933).


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Us modern 21st century people probably find it easy to forget that before entertainment could be recorded, musicians and actors were NOT the superstars and influencers of society today.

In those days it was in fact playwrights, authors, poetry writers and novelists. Those who WROTE changed minds via catching the people's hearts via WORDS, not music and film. If an author was converted to a religion/ cult, his readers were influenced to think like him. Changed language and concepts changes society.

• Warning: Pro Swedenborg websites

Famous people influenced by Swedenborg:
Swedenborg's cultural influence
Swedenborg's influence - the Swedenborg Project

That’s so interesting - especially the Jung connection - I notice @VigilantCitizen mentions Carl Jung as a notable source.

How Mass Media Shapes and Molds Society

Mass media is the most powerful tool used by the ruling class to manipulate the masses. It shapes and molds opinions and attitudes and defines what is normal and acceptable. This article looks at the workings of mass media through the theories of its major thinkers, its power structure and the...

vigilantcitizen.com

 

[Maldarker]

That’s so interesting - especially the Jung connection - I notice @VigilantCitizen mentions Carl Jung as a notable source.

How Mass Media Shapes and Molds Society

Mass media is the most powerful tool used by the ruling class to manipulate the masses. It shapes and molds opinions and attitudes and defines what is normal and acceptable. This article looks at the workings of mass media through the theories of its major thinkers, its power structure and the...

vigilantcitizen.com

He did have a point with this theory :
Carl Jung's theory is the collective unconscious He believed that human beings are connected to each other and their ancestors through a shared set of experiences. We use this collective consciousness to give meaning to the world.

Secular way of saying the sins of the father plus seems that science finally caught up to the bible (there is an article about how dna is changing from experinces holocaust surviors pass the trauma to their childern and they are having same trauma without experincing the actual event...even the childern of the childern so generational passing of trauma)

 

[SnowFall]

Summary of what I found out:
If there is any church a religion focused VC-type blog could have written about whose teachings have permeated and influenced society, Swedenborgianism could be it. If people want to reject the bible but still generally approve of Christian morality AND want mysticism and mysterious experiences, Swedenborg is a good option.

Yesterday I tried to find relevant clips or sermons for people who prefer audio, but except for what I put in an earlier entry all I could find is Swedenborg believers (also known as the Church of the New Jerusalem).
A short but good summary why all Christians should treat the thankfully little known cult like COVID:
Why I am not a Swedenborgian: a letter to a friend

the only true Christian mysticism is found in Catholicism.

you should check out the catholic saints and mystics like Saint Padre Pio and Blessed Ann Cathrine Emmerich.

 

[Lyfe]

One can have morals but that doesn't mean they have Christ. The Bible says that a person must be born again and acknowledge that only through Christ are they justified before God.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Jesus: the son can do nothing on his own
Christians: dat iz my god.

 

[SnowFall]

Jesus: the son can do nothing on his own
Christians: dat iz my god.

Jesus is absolutely God

 

[AspiringSoul]

Jesus is absolutely God

based on?

 

[SnowFall]

based on?

His own words: https://dacc.edu/assets/pdfs/PCM/jesusisgod.pdf

 

[Lyfe]

In the book of revelation Jesus refers to himself as The First and The Last. He is the one that searches mind and heart and will give to each according to their works. Christ is the rider on the white horse in revelation 19 who is referenced as The King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

This is the sort of language that God Almighty would only use when speaking of himself.

 

[JoChris]

the only true Christian mysticism is found in Catholicism.

you should check out the catholic saints and mystics like Saint Padre Pio and Blessed Ann Cathrine Emmerich.

The difference between RC church and Baptist/ protestant churches are massive! Would you like to start a new thread?

 

[SnowFall]

The difference between RC church and Baptist/ protestant churches are massive! Would you like to start a new thread?

For what reason?

 

[JoChris]

Jesus: the son can do nothing on his own
Christians: dat iz my god.

This is a true Christianity versus FALSE Christianity discussion thread. It isn't Christianity versus false religions thread.

 

[SnowFall]

The difference between RC church and Baptist/ protestant churches are massive! Would you like to start a new thread?

You do know that Catholics are Christian’s right? In fact we’re the original Christians and the only church with apostolic succession.

 

[JoChris]

For what reason?

I am an ex Roman Catholic. You and I know the reasons why the subject deserves its own thread.
I am more than happy to continue on the topic on another new thread.

 

[SnowFall]

I am an ex Roman Catholic. You and I know the reasons why the subject deserves its own thread.

No I don’t, please elaborate…