Why is Feminism much worse than Cancer nowadays that is caused by women which keeps most men single?

[Aero]

Unfortunately this sentiment is still yet again all too common and demonstrates more of the same unwillingness(or inability) to acknowledge legitimate grievances made by people who oppose feminism or people who support ideas like mgtow. You know? The ones who have been in almost all instances referred to as incel's on this forum. There are 876,000 divorces every year. Statistically that means that there are 350,400 instances where children are separated from their fathers - every year. 262,500 of those instances were not abuse related. This is just every year. In just a 5 year timeframe that small number turns to OVER A MILLION instances of kids taken from there father under circumstances where the father wasnt even abusive. This is what men lose just in parental rights or the issue that hits closest to home. Im not talking about child support, financial losses, or property losses either, yet what do you think the number of men who have suffered loss in this aspect turns out to be in a 5 year span. Is there really no basis for a group of men who falls into this category? Anyone who says to the contrary(especially a feminist) is guilty of hypocrisy.

I'm not sure where you are going with this. All I can think to say is of course I empathize with the legitimately good fathers who got screwed. I never stated or implied otherwise. The problem is, from the data I've seen the MGTOW and Incel community don't primarily make up divorced men. The only survey I could find indicated only 18% of MGTOW are divorced men. And oddly enough 23% of them were married. You read that right, they are going their own way while still married.

According to the statistics if you marry there is a 50 percent chance it will end in divorce and if you have children there is roughly a 25% chance this child will be separated from you during this marriage. 70 percent of these divorces are initiated by women.

Again I'm not sure where you are going. All the statistics you throw out there with little or completely omitted context feel like a proving too much fallacy. In other words, you are just stacking the deck. You can't take shortcuts with your arguments.

Men are more likely to cheat, and one of the main causes of divorce is infidelity. Now men don't cheat that much more than women, so there's more to the fact that 70% of divorces are initiated by women. Also, another major contributor to divorces is a lack of commitment. But I can't find any data on which sex is less likely to commit. We can deduce indirectly that it's more men seeming noncommital.

If more men really are noncommital and cheaters it totally busts your whole argument about feminism destroying good fathers.

Do you realize how much of a time and emotional investment a marriage is? Think of all that time you could have spent focusing on yourself, putting your own goals first, chasing your own dreams and ambitions as opposed to compromising all of them and putting them in the backseat for the sake of a marriage that there is a 5/50 chance wont work out. Now you can use some emotional based sentiment as a rebuttal along the lines of telling me I am being too serious, but hey I am content with having logic on my side. How many spouses in general wish they had all those years back and wish they hadnt wasted in on someone or something that didnt pan out? Heck given these numbers more women shouldnt seek after marriage either and should put their own goals and pursuits at the forefront of their agenda, because they arent even happy in most marriages as 70% of them are the ones initiating the divorce. Now your telling me that marriage is now a worthwhile pursuit for men given all of these statistics? If not wanting marriage or a commitment makes me an incel then I gladly accept. Honestly though im starting to warm up to the term. Its implied though that an incel is someone who cant get a romantic partner or even seeks after one. I spent the last 5 years of my life with 3 different women. I wish I hadn't invested what I did and those relationships ended just like the numbers assured me they would. I dont want to be in a relationship nor do I seek after one, because there is more to gain for me investing in myself. Honestly I missed the alone time and what I dont miss is having to worry about pleasing a girlfriend. MGTOW is based offf of life experience and statistics. It encourages a man to spend time pursuing things that better himself rather than wasting any more time investing most of himself in a marriage and relationship, yet these same men are bullied by women here into a derogatory category like incel's... So its your goal to help the poor incels here, but I think you are the one who needs help with your perspective.

Funny how you brought up you not wanting commitment. I hadn't even gotten to that part when I started responding, because I knew I had to go through your post with a fine-tooth comb. That's indicative of how tangled and knotted your shit is.

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with working on yourself, or not getting married. Tons of people choose that lifestyle and nobody bats an eye, but they don't go join the ranks of MGTOW. And there are good reasons for that. Mainly because It's literally an extremist group.

Here's a good snippet from a thesis titled MAPPING THE MANOSPHERE: A SOCIAL NETWORK ANALYSIS OF THE MANOSPHERE ON REDDIT

"Many online male supremacist groups have a narrative of male victimization that embraces an alpha and beta masculinity to rationalize the hierarchical relationship between men that has caused some to feel socially isolated and even penalized for not performing well in traditional manhood.7 Alpha/beta masculinity is the idea that some (alpha) men demonstrate physical and sexual dominance over women, and consequently, marginalize less dominant (beta) men. From this standpoint, women are the currency used to garner masculinity and are thus blamed for a person’s lack of masculinity. This narrative is reinforced and amplified in the echo chamber of like-minded online forums, social media platforms, and message boards; in other words, the manosphere."

What the above quote describes isn't in any way teaching men to work on themselves.

 

[Maes17]

Whats really eye opening is that some of the forum members in this thread will be offended at my beliefs, yet are completely fine and wont challenge certain members who basically say that most marriages before feminism were almost unanimously defined by abuse and mistreatment by men. Also fine with women setting a precedence that its acceptable for men who say things to critique their beliefs to be considered the sentiment of an incel or woman hater. Also that a man is a scumbag for not paying child support, but a woman who would deprive their kids of their father and vice versa in instances where there is no immediate threat to them is innocent.

I wouldn’t say offended. More so it’s a conflict of perspective. The insults I’ll leave that up to the individual how they choose to feel. It’s apparent both sides have strong headed people

 

[Lyfe]

I'm not sure where you are going with this. All I can think to say is of course I empathize with the legitimately good fathers who got screwed. I never stated or implied otherwise. The problem is, from the data I've seen the MGTOW and Incel community don't primarily make up divorced men. The only survey I could find indicated only 18% of MGTOW are divorced men. And oddly enough 23% of them were married. You read that right, they are going their own way while still married.


Again I'm not sure where you are going. All the statistics you throw out there with little or completely omitted context feel like a proving too much fallacy. In other words, you are just stacking the deck. You can't take shortcuts with your arguments.

Men are more likely to cheat, and one of the main causes of divorce is infidelity. Now men don't cheat that much more than women, so there's more to the fact that 70% of divorces are initiated by women. Also, another major contributor to divorces is a lack of commitment. But I can't find any data on which sex is less likely to commit. We can deduce indirectly that it's more men seeming noncommital.

If more men really are noncommital and cheaters it totally busts your whole argument about feminism destroying good fathers.


Funny how you brought up you not wanting commitment. I hadn't even gotten to that part when I started responding, because I knew I had to go through your post with a fine-tooth comb. That's indicative of how tangled and knotted your shit is.

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with working on yourself, or not getting married. Tons of people choose that lifestyle and nobody bats an eye, but they don't go join the ranks of MGTOW. And there are good reasons for that. Mainly because It's literally an extremist group.

Here's a good snippet from a thesis titled MAPPING THE MANOSPHERE: A SOCIAL NETWORK ANALYSIS OF THE MANOSPHERE ON REDDIT

"Many online male supremacist groups have a narrative of male victimization that embraces an alpha and beta masculinity to rationalize the hierarchical relationship between men that has caused some to feel socially isolated and even penalized for not performing well in traditional manhood.7 Alpha/beta masculinity is the idea that some (alpha) men demonstrate physical and sexual dominance over women, and consequently, marginalize less dominant (beta) men. From this standpoint, women are the currency used to garner masculinity and are thus blamed for a person’s lack of masculinity. This narrative is reinforced and amplified in the echo chamber of like-minded online forums, social media platforms, and message boards; in other words, the manosphere."

What the above quote describes isn't in any way teaching men to work on themselves.

Again I'm not sure where you are going.

Those numbers were just merely to demonstrate that your petty generalizations toward the type of man who would oppose feminism are kind of stupid and unfounded(men who have no legit basis for their protest according to you). This is especially true if social ideas behind feminism can be tied to generating conflicts in marriages that would have otherwise not happened by redefining how one perceives marriage. I believe they can be, but if you are unwilling to see a connection then so be it.

I see all this anti-feminism stuff as mostly a product of the culture war, though. Which was pretty much an invention by old men who couldn't hang onto their wives (go figure). You know the type of dudes I'm talking about, total shithead philanderers. Guys who discard women constantly like it's their job, and when it happens to them they are like OMG THE AUDACITY.

Yeah, um........ Not quite. Apparently the men who these women married after their initial husband couldn't hold unto their wives either seeing as how their second marriages fail more often than first. But, hey - shitheads who cant hold unto their wives... Thats kind of irrelevant tho, but I thought I would throw it out there cause there seems to be allot of men who cant hold their wives these days.

Anyway, there's nothing wrong with working on yourself, or not getting married. Tons of people choose that lifestyle and nobody bats an eye, but they don't go join the ranks of MGTOW. And there are good reasons for that. Mainly because It's literally an extremist group.

Here's a good snippet from a thesis titled MAPPING THE MANOSPHERE: A SOCIAL NETWORK ANALYSIS OF THE MANOSPHERE ON REDDIT

"Many online male supremacist groups have a narrative of male victimization that embraces an alpha and beta masculinity to rationalize the hierarchical relationship between men that has caused some to feel socially isolated and even penalized for not performing well in traditional manhood.7 Alpha/beta masculinity is the idea that some (alpha) men demonstrate physical and sexual dominance over women, and consequently, marginalize less dominant (beta) men. From this standpoint, women are the currency used to garner masculinity and are thus blamed for a person’s lack of masculinity. This narrative is reinforced and amplified in the echo chamber of like-minded online forums, social media platforms, and message boards; in other words, the manosphere."

What the above quote describes isn't in any way teaching men to work on themselves.

Im not even sure you understand what MGTOW is. Its not even really anything organized where there is a membership or a place where meetings are held. Its moreso an idea, yet you foolishly call it an extremist group. I bet youd do great working for CNN right next to Anderson Cooper.

Also couldnt help, but notice your quoting and trusting a thesis written by an outsider to accurately describe mgtow rather than an actual competent figure that identifies with MGTOW ideals. Not sure you see a problem with that, but you should....

 

[Lyfe]

I would also like to point out in regards to those infidelity findings that those numbers are just what are recorded and admitted, yet its been known that women are actually better at hiding their infidelity than men are.

Popular perception that women are less prone than men to cheat may have something to do with the results, even though it’s not necessarily true.

Manhattan-based psychiatrist Dr. Kenneth Rosenberg, author of “Infidelity: Why Men and Women Cheat” (Da Capo Press), tells The Post, “Twenty percent of men cheat, but that number has been stable for the past 20 or so years. For women, it’s 15%, but that number has gone up 50% over the past 20 years.”

He also warns that women under 35 these days feel more “agency” to sneak around on their partners, and that could be thanks to our culture of sexual freedom.

Women are better at hiding their cheating: study

Blame it on their “feminine wiles.” A new study in the journal Royal Society Open Science reveals that women have little trouble picking out cheating men from the pack. Men, on the othe…

nypost.com

 

[Lyfe]

Human sexuality is an ever-unfolding mystery, but two new books aim to shed some light on it. Here, psychiatrist Kenneth Rosenberg, author of “Infidelity: Why Men and Women Cheat” (Da Capo Press), and physician Erika Schwartz, author of “The Intimacy Solution” (Post Hill Press), share some surprising facts and figures about sex, love and divorce.

If your partner cheats, you’ll probably never know
“Ninety percent of people who cheat — their spouses never find out about it,” says Rosenberg. He also notes a reason why infidelity can be hard to detect: 50 percent of those who cheat say they’re happy in their marriage.

More and more women are cheating
Two decades ago, roughly 10 percent of married women cheated, but that number has increased to 15 percent. “Women increasingly have options, and feel both sexual agency and social freedoms,” says Rosenberg.

But divorce is on the wane
Schwartz notes that the divorce rate among couples under age 50 has steadily declined since 2009. She credits this to the younger generation being more realistic about long-term relationships and the fleeting nature of passion. “[Millennials are] more honest with themselves,” she says.
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Men go through ‘the change,’ too
Andropause — the male version of menopause characterized by a gradual decline in testosterone starting in the early 40s — shares some behavioral similarities to its female counterpart. Along with a diminished libido, “It’s like a decline in emotional depth,” says Schwartz. “They [can] become depressed … couch potatoes, sitting at home and drinking beer.”
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A happy marriage can now include cheating, according to cheaters

Human sexuality is an ever-unfolding mystery, but two new books aim to shed some light on it. Here, psychiatrist Kenneth Rosenberg, author of “Infidelity: Why Men and Women Cheat” (Da Capo Press), …

nypost.com

 

[Drifter]

@Lyfe Look, you clearly don't care to even reassess whether your views may or may not be even slightly off. That makes it impossible to speak to you. You have much to say for the FEMINISTS(TM) here who refuse to look at your MGTOW viewpoint when you've been refusing to hear those of us engaging with you since way before you decided to bring up MGTOW. You dismiss every stat or article linked except your own. But bear in mind that your rose-tinted view of what men in the past and MGTOW men now think of women seems rather contradictory. You think women should be "keepers of the home" but then simultaneously support a movement that uses women being financially dependent on men as a reason why they stay away from women to begin with.

^I've seen stuff like this personally on Reddit and YouTube so forgive me for not believing your fairytale that men want to protect and provide for women. Theres a reason why so many of these boards and forums got pulled down and it has nothing to do with a witch hunt on men. It was because they were filled with this kind of ugly toxicity. And the thing is, you dont even know which men buy into these ways of thinking. Becase of the whole "pump and dump" philosophy provided by red pill men and pick-up-artists, many men make it a point of pride to just use women to get off and then discard them. Forgive me for wanting to be thought of as a person beyond my youth, fertility and beauty. There are women like that too of course, with ugly opinions on men, you're probably itching to bring that up. See, now whenever I even entertain the idea of being with any man, these sorts of comments and interactions I and other women I know have had are the things that run through my mind and I balk. That's my mentality. I dont blame all men, I choose to stay single instead. So dont blame women for wanting their own independence because at least now that I personally want to stay single, I can actually do so and dont have to force myself to marry a man just to get by. And guess what? No one is forcing you to be in a relationship either! Amazing, isnt it?

 

[kerrichinchilla]

And I think Lyfe posted the stats on women leaving marriage most of the time. So walking away from being a housewife IS an option. And if she’s walking away from a man with money, she can poach his money to fund her new relationship with


Ahh the motherly/nurturing/caretaking role. I wonder where I heard that before? But either way, one hand we have men delivering value to EVERYONE, while on the other hand women provide value to the elderly or those with children? Is this where we leave it or anything else?

For some it is an option, for many it is not your financially reliant on the man. In a job you have more options to walk away into another job.

Question if motherhood and caring for the elderly is such a good noble role for women, why are both so undervalued? why is the care industry so undervalued and under paid? Why are traditional male roles more valued than traditional female roles. Why is cooking classed as twee and girly until men do it then hes a chef? Why are important skills like cooking, cleaning and caring seen as so low on the importance scale compared to building and, engineering? you can have the nicest of houses but if you cant cook or clean (cook especially) then you will wont get very far

 

[kerrichinchilla]

@Lyfe Look, you clearly don't care to even reassess whether your views may or may not be even slightly off. That makes it impossible to speak to you. You have much to say for the FEMINISTS(TM) here who refuse to look at your MGTOW viewpoint when you've been refusing to hear those of us engaging with you since way before you decided to bring up MGTOW. You dismiss every stat or article linked except your own. But bear in mind that your rose-tinted view of what men in the past and MGTOW men now think of women seems rather contradictory. You think women should be "keepers of the home" but then simultaneously support a movement that uses women being financially dependent on men as a reason why they stay away from women to begin with.
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^I've seen stuff like this personally on Reddit and YouTube so forgive me for not believing your fairytale that men want to protect and provide for women. Theres a reason why so many of these boards and forums got pulled down and it has nothing to do with a witch hunt on men. It was because they were filled with this kind of ugly toxicity. And the thing is, you dont even know which men buy into these ways of thinking. Becase of the whole "pump and dump" philosophy provided by red pill men and pick-up-artists, many men make it a point of pride to just use women to get off and then discard them. Forgive me for wanting to be thought of as a person beyond my youth, fertility and beauty. There are women like that too of course, with ugly opinions on men, you're probably itching to bring that up. See, now whenever I even entertain the idea of being with any man, these sorts of comments and interactions I and other women I know have had are the things that run through my mind and I balk. That's my mentality. I dont blame all men, I choose to stay single instead. So dont blame women for wanting their own independence because at least now that I personally want to stay single, I can actually do so and dont have to force myself to marry a man just to get by. And guess what? No one is forcing you to be in a relationship either! Amazing, isnt it?

Its amazing really. Women say we just want independence and to be treated as humans, these men take that as some kind of assault on their rights

 

[justjess]

Yeah I believe that women should be keepers of the home. Then you make that out to be an inflammatory stance that deserves nothing, but the harshest disdain and rebuke all on your own. You turn my stance into an offensive stance despite mine or others reasonings behind that stance. Why else would you say things like:



I mean, when did I actually insult you personally? I cant help it if your groomed to hate, despise, and attack that stance by your feminist conditioning. It could be a beautiful stance with all the right reasons, but feminism wont allow for any that. Of course you did what feminists typically do and become offended and not allow for or accept any rationale for why I believe as such and you immediately tie it in with sexism and hatred for women. It was certainly enough grounds for you to refer to me as an incel that cant get laid and a sexist.



Not quite. Just face the reality you have preprogrammed bias.

Ok so you admit it. Finally not trying to backtrack. You believe a woman’s place is in the house. Your pissed at feminism and feminists (and believe feminists have been brainwashed) because they don’t want to be in the house. You believe that allowing adult women to follow their own desires is harmful to men and are in agreement with MGTOW that men should shun and shame women who “don’t know their place” and you justify this by the divorce rate while refusing to acknowledge that it’s attitudes like yours that lead women EN MASSE to support feminism to begin with (to the point of literal death) and oftentimes NOW lead to divorce “when abuse and infedility” are absent.

I haven’t been brainwashed by anyone, feminism didn’t “groom” me - I’ve watched with my own eyes what happened to women in my own life who were completely dependent on a man. I decided it wasn’t for me. That is not saying I think all men abuse that position - my grandmother was left destitute when my grandfather died an untimely death, her children (including my mother) were raised in abject poverty because she didn’t have the means to provide for them on her own or the ability to acquire them. Numerous aunts and in laws who dedicated themselves to being housewives only to be left for younger women when their children reached adulthood and to have their husbands deny them any legitimate means of support afterwards despite the fact they sacrificed their own earning potential to be in the home as men like you insist we should do. So no, no one brainwashed me. I’m smart enough to recognize the risks associated with your preferred relational arrangement and choose something else for myself.

you harp on about how smart MGTOW is for looking at the statistics and choosing not to take the risk but condemn women for doing the same and then infantalize them by insisting they must only be doing so because they have been “groomed and brainwashed” by feminism. See the double standard? I’m sure you don’t since your blinded by self preservation and decided the scape goat for your own inability to mantain a relationship was feminism long ago. But it’s blatant to pretty much everyone else.

for the record: I have no issue with anyone of either gender deciding to abstain from relationships instead of risking being HURT (because that is what it boils down to). I do have an issue with anyone of either gender making that decision but then justifying it by demonizing 50% of the population. And I have a massive issue when it’s taken a step further and used to actually advocate for stripping all rights to personhood from 50% of the population. Especially when in the next breath you claim like a hypocrite to be charged by god to love and protect and provide for the people you are trying to make indentured slaves while disregarding every and anything they say about why that will make them miserable and hurt them. You can’t claim to love someone you are actively engaged in hurting. That’s abusive. That’s the furthest thing from love there is. And fuck you and anyone else who wants to do so or thinks doing so is in any way shape or form okay.

god sent Jesus to correct Israel from their mistakes, Jesus treated women so well they flocked To him and were an integral part of spreading and supporting his ministry. I’ll follow Jesus rather than the mistakes of those who came before him and the interpretations of men raised in the defective culture he came to correct that came after him.

 

[Aero]

Those numbers were just merely to demonstrate that your petty generalizations toward the type of man who would oppose feminism are kind of stupid and unfounded(men who have no legit basis for their protest according to you). This is especially true if social ideas behind feminism can be tied to generating conflicts in marriages that would have otherwise not happened by redefining how one perceives marriage. I believe they can be, but if you are unwilling to see a connection then so be it.

Opposing some ideas within feminism, or even being a traditionalist is fine in my book. But when people start equating feminism to cancer or blaming individual women then there's no generalization. I'm just calling a spade a spade.

Yeah, um........ Not quite. Apparently the men who these women married after their initial husband couldn't hold unto their wives either seeing as how their second marriages fail more often than first. But, hey - shitheads who cant hold unto their wives... Thats kind of irrelevant tho, but I thought I would throw it out there cause there seems to be allot of men who cant hold their wives these days.

Not quite how? You're not refuting anything I said.

Im not even sure you understand what MGTOW is. Its not even really anything organized where there is a membership or a place where meetings are held. Its moreso an idea, yet you foolishly call it an extremist group. I bet youd do great working for CNN right next to Anderson Cooper.

Also couldnt help, but notice your quoting and trusting a thesis written by an outsider to accurately describe mgtow rather than an actual competent figure that identifies with MGTOW ideals. Not sure you see a problem with that, but you should....

Ad hominem arguments are weak bro.

Yes, let's go try out your logic. Let's ask the Mafia to describe themselves too. I'm sure they will be totally honest. Even better, let's go read the old thesis created by the tobacco companies. Tobacco is totally safe <derp>

 

[justjess]

Opposing some ideas within feminism, or even being a traditionalist is fine in my book. But when people start equating feminism to cancer or blaming individual women then there's no generalization. I'm just calling a spade a spade.


Not quite how? You're not refuting anything I said.


Ad hominem arguments are weak bro.

Yes, let's go try out your logic. Let's ask the Mafia to describe themselves too. I'm sure they will be totally honest. Even better, let's go read the old thesis created by the tobacco companies. Tobacco is totally safe <derp>

La cosa nostra is simply a drinking club where they reminisce about the old country. Didn’t you know that?

 

[Aero]

La cosa nostra is simply a drinking club where they reminisce about the old country. Didn’t you know that?

LOL, yes, they are just providing for their families. Nothing to see there.

We shouldn't just attack the source, though. Even if it's the Mafia. All I'm saying is an argument should be judged on its own merits. And that goes back to what I was saying about not taking shortcuts in an argument. Everyone is a little biased, but if something is true, it's true.

 

[KoncreteMind]

Really? Nurses, teachers, caregivers for the elderly, sick, disabled, young.. that’s what you boil that down to? You have a superiority complex tbh. Jesus said to offer service specifically to the groups women offer their service too and you still scoff at it in favor of skyscrapers and bankers money.

I don’t scoff at it. It’s just that feminists don’t give men credit for anything but you want women to get credit for caring for the elderly, sick and disabled which men also do?

I’ve seen her post AGAINST capitalism elsewhere so I’m not overly concerned that given her options of answering to a boss or a husband she’s personally prefer answering to a boss. I personally prefer answering to neither.

she edited in her source

I’m just going by what she said in this thread. I think it’s funny that it’s like “HELL NO!” When it comes to submitting to a man that loves (or supposed to At least). But then we run to the corporations and submit to them? I’m not concerned about her life choice just think it’s a woman taking submission either way. It’s just that submitting to the corporations over a family benefits them Which is why they pushed feminism in the first place

 

[KoncreteMind]

For some it is an option, for many it is not your financially reliant on the man. In a job you have more options to walk away into another job.

There’s things like alimony and child support that help women out after divorce though. Of course it’s not a one to one fit but women can still leave. And guess who gave them that support in case they’re forced to leave? Men! But feminists won’t give them credit for anything. Not the roads, not the plumbing, not the electricity, not the AC/Heating nothing. It’s just complaint after complaint while feminists enjoy a much more comfortable life than say 200 years ago.

Question if motherhood and caring for the elderly is such a good noble role for women, why are both so undervalued? why is the care industry so undervalued and under paid?

Undervalued by the bankers? Maybe. Humanity in general? Nope. That’s why men were expected to give their lives for their women/children.

Why are traditional male roles more valued than traditional female roles. Why is cooking classed as twee and girly until men do it then hes a chef?

Sounds like an inferiority complex. Like when someone says to a man “you throw like a girl” and feminists get offended but when females say another female looks like a man, men don’t get offended. See the difference?

Also men not wanting to do a woman’s role isn’t them undervaluing it. Nobody would look at a woman and say “You’re undervaluing men’s roles!”if she didn’t want to go to war and left that to men.

Why are important skills like cooking, cleaning and caring seen as so low on the importance scale compared to building and, engineering? you can have the nicest of houses but if you cant cook or clean (cook especially) then you will wont get very far

Seen low on the scale by who? Where?

 

[justjess]

I don’t scoff at it. It’s just that feminists don’t give men credit for anything but you want women to get credit for caring for the elderly, sick and disabled which men also do?


I’m just going by what she said in this thread. I think it’s funny that it’s like “HELL NO!” When it comes to submitting to a man that loves (or supposed to At least). But then we run to the corporations and submit to them? I’m not concerned about her life choice just think it’s a woman taking submission either way. It’s just that submitting to the corporations over a family benefits them Which is why they pushed feminism in the first place

Men submit to corporations every single day. Do you think less of them for doing so?

Also those fields are almost entirely dominated by women and most women report doing those tasks themselves in the home.. so I don’t know how you can say men do them too. And if you insist on saying it - women are electricians and plumbers and construction workers too nowadays so..

I give my husband credit every day for his contributions to our Family - because he doesn’t begrudge giving me credit for mine or view them as less important. When men dismiss women’s contributions as inferior how can you expect us to cheer them on for theirs? Especially when they bar us from partaking in the “superior” domains?

 

[SeriouslySpeaking33]

Feminism is definitely much worse than Cancer nowadays which is why so many of us men are still single today, now that most women are real narcissists which they really believe they're all that. And most of these type of women have a very bad attitude problem as well. And they really are very mean to most of us single men today as well, especially when we will try to start a conversation with a woman that we think would be really nice to meet for us. And there will be times when these very pathetic women will even Curse at many of us men for no reason at all, and that just shows me how very awful and very troubled that most of these women are today. Now that they want equality, they really act so terrible to most of us men these days when there are many of us good single ones that are very seriously looking to meet a good woman today. Unfortunately they just don't exist anymore today at all.

What is very sad is that many women nowadays will even think they're God's gift to men since most of these type of feminists women have a very bad attitude problem as well, and are very stuck up, brainless, and clueless altogether as well.

 

[Orwell's mentor]

What is very sad is that many women nowadays will even think they're God's gift to men since most of these type of feminists women have a very bad attitude problem as well, and are very stuck up, brainless, and clueless altogether as well.

Hrmmm, considering you just signed up today, you're probably the same individual who started this thread, aren't you? I know you're adding fuel to the fire and seeing that this is now 49 pages, I highly doubt it'll stop.

Therefore, don't let me intrude and continue with causing angst between the sexes. It's nothing I'm interested in.

Please continue...

 

[Cintra]

Hrmmm, considering you just signed up today, you're probably the same individual who started this thread, aren't you? I know you're adding fuel to the fire and seeing that this is now 49 pages, I highly doubt it'll stop.

Therefore, don't let me intrude and continue with causing angst between the sexes. It's nothing I'm interested in.

Please continue...

We have to take them seriously, because they are like serious x2 now.

Very very serious...

(Important stuff, this is)

 

[KoncreteMind]

That's not true we do give men credit always.
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You can add war and r*pe to the list too.

You’re not strong enough to go do your own thing tho without men huh?

 

[KoncreteMind]

Men submit to corporations every single day. Do you think less of them for doing so?

I don’t think less of women for having to submit on their jobs though. I do think of feminists as less when they complain about submitting to a man that loves them and they immediately turn around and submit to corporations.

Also those fields are almost entirely dominated by women and most women report doing those tasks themselves in the home.. so I don’t know how you can say men do them too. And if you insist on saying it - women are electricians and plumbers and construction workers too nowadays so..

Without looking I’d give you childcare and caring for the elderly in nursing homes. Tending to the sick? There’s plenty of male doctors so I’m not sure what you mean? Maybe nursing? Which is essentially a doctors assistant.

I give my husband credit every day for his contributions to our Family - because he doesn’t begrudge giving me credit for mine or view them as less important. When men dismiss women’s contributions as inferior how can you expect us to cheer them on for theirs? Especially when they bar us from partaking in the “superior” domains?

Did you go to the grocery store today? Did you drive in on a paved road to get there? How about this morning. Did you take a shower? By giving men credit I mean acknowledging what they have done to make your life easier. Because in the old days YOU’D have to hunt. You’d have to walk to the nearest water source with a bucket to bring water to your house. Men created the infrastructure to make your life easier yet Feminists won’t give them the credit for it. Just complain while they essentially live off all that men have done. And no matter how many times I put up all that men have done when it comes to the infrastructure that makes your life easier, you still won’t give them credit. Not even a “you’re right but how does that absolve them of (insert feminist talking point)”.

And we have a WGTOW incel (by the definition y’all were laying out earlier) in this very thread. Will she go off and create her own society from scratch, build up infrastructure, roads, buildings, plumbing, AC/Heating? Offffff course not. Yet she’ll complain and complain about men while NEVER separating herself from the society...