- Mar 13, 2017
I'm not sure where you are going with this. All I can think to say is of course I empathize with the legitimately good fathers who got screwed. I never stated or implied otherwise. The problem is, from the data I've seen the MGTOW and Incel community don't primarily make up divorced men. The only survey I could find indicated only 18% of MGTOW are divorced men. And oddly enough 23% of them were married. You read that right, they are going their own way while still married.Unfortunately this sentiment is still yet again all too common and demonstrates more of the same unwillingness(or inability) to acknowledge legitimate grievances made by people who oppose feminism or people who support ideas like mgtow. You know? The ones who have been in almost all instances referred to as incel's on this forum. There are 876,000 divorces every year. Statistically that means that there are 350,400 instances where children are separated from their fathers - every year. 262,500 of those instances were not abuse related. This is just every year. In just a 5 year timeframe that small number turns to OVER A MILLION instances of kids taken from there father under circumstances where the father wasnt even abusive. This is what men lose just in parental rights or the issue that hits closest to home. Im not talking about child support, financial losses, or property losses either, yet what do you think the number of men who have suffered loss in this aspect turns out to be in a 5 year span. Is there really no basis for a group of men who falls into this category? Anyone who says to the contrary(especially a feminist) is guilty of hypocrisy.
Again I'm not sure where you are going. All the statistics you throw out there with little or completely omitted context feel like a proving too much fallacy. In other words, you are just stacking the deck. You can't take shortcuts with your arguments.According to the statistics if you marry there is a 50 percent chance it will end in divorce and if you have children there is roughly a 25% chance this child will be separated from you during this marriage. 70 percent of these divorces are initiated by women.
Men are more likely to cheat, and one of the main causes of divorce is infidelity. Now men don't cheat that much more than women, so there's more to the fact that 70% of divorces are initiated by women. Also, another major contributor to divorces is a lack of commitment. But I can't find any data on which sex is less likely to commit. We can deduce indirectly that it's more men seeming noncommital.
If more men really are noncommital and cheaters it totally busts your whole argument about feminism destroying good fathers.
Funny how you brought up you not wanting commitment. I hadn't even gotten to that part when I started responding, because I knew I had to go through your post with a fine-tooth comb. That's indicative of how tangled and knotted your shit is.Do you realize how much of a time and emotional investment a marriage is? Think of all that time you could have spent focusing on yourself, putting your own goals first, chasing your own dreams and ambitions as opposed to compromising all of them and putting them in the backseat for the sake of a marriage that there is a 5/50 chance wont work out. Now you can use some emotional based sentiment as a rebuttal along the lines of telling me I am being too serious, but hey I am content with having logic on my side. How many spouses in general wish they had all those years back and wish they hadnt wasted in on someone or something that didnt pan out? Heck given these numbers more women shouldnt seek after marriage either and should put their own goals and pursuits at the forefront of their agenda, because they arent even happy in most marriages as 70% of them are the ones initiating the divorce. Now your telling me that marriage is now a worthwhile pursuit for men given all of these statistics? If not wanting marriage or a commitment makes me an incel then I gladly accept. Honestly though im starting to warm up to the term. Its implied though that an incel is someone who cant get a romantic partner or even seeks after one. I spent the last 5 years of my life with 3 different women. I wish I hadn't invested what I did and those relationships ended just like the numbers assured me they would. I dont want to be in a relationship nor do I seek after one, because there is more to gain for me investing in myself. Honestly I missed the alone time and what I dont miss is having to worry about pleasing a girlfriend. MGTOW is based offf of life experience and statistics. It encourages a man to spend time pursuing things that better himself rather than wasting any more time investing most of himself in a marriage and relationship, yet these same men are bullied by women here into a derogatory category like incel's... So its your goal to help the poor incels here, but I think you are the one who needs help with your perspective.
Anyway, there's nothing wrong with working on yourself, or not getting married. Tons of people choose that lifestyle and nobody bats an eye, but they don't go join the ranks of MGTOW. And there are good reasons for that. Mainly because It's literally an extremist group.
Here's a good snippet from a thesis titled MAPPING THE MANOSPHERE: A SOCIAL NETWORK ANALYSIS OF THE MANOSPHERE ON REDDIT
"Many online male supremacist groups have a narrative of male victimization that embraces an alpha and beta masculinity to rationalize the hierarchical relationship between men that has caused some to feel socially isolated and even penalized for not performing well in traditional manhood.7 Alpha/beta masculinity is the idea that some (alpha) men demonstrate physical and sexual dominance over women, and consequently, marginalize less dominant (beta) men. From this standpoint, women are the currency used to garner masculinity and are thus blamed for a person’s lack of masculinity. This narrative is reinforced and amplified in the echo chamber of like-minded online forums, social media platforms, and message boards; in other words, the manosphere."
What the above quote describes isn't in any way teaching men to work on themselves.