Countdown to September 11th

[Lisa]

World Trade Center 7 (WTC 7) University of Alaska Fairbanks

The principal conclusion of the University of Alaska Fairbanks WTC 7 study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7...

ine.uaf.edu

„The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse.„

I already said they imploded. Doesn’t mean the planes didn’t really fly into them..

 

[Orwell's mentor]

I remember when www.aulis.com used to have pictures of this but have since removed them, unfortunately:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1304241422317613058

Footage found here: https://getvideobot.com/video/1304241422317613058

 

[Tidal]

Tidal said- as most of the tenants were immigrants with little or no grasp of english perhaps the owner couldn't understand the fridges operating instructions and electrical fusing requirements etc.
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How did you work this one out?
All the immigrants they interviewed on tv spoke pretty good english, they had learned all their lines perfectly.
I take your above statement as an inflammatory right wing cheap shot. Colours shown there.

Logic it out mate, OF COURSE the ones interviewed could talk english or they wouldn't have been interviewed if they could only talk Swahili or Congolese or whatever..
Incidentally I pulled my punches in that earlier post, i could have mentioned reports going round that some of the tenants allegedly used to build campfires in the middle of their living room floors to do cooking like they used to do in their homeland.

Also some tenants were renting out flats to immigrants-
"Grenfell Tower tenants who were illegally subletting.."

Grenfell Tower tenants illegally subletting to face no charges

Grenfell Tower tenants who were illegally subletting will not be prosecuted, the Government has announced in an attempt to help establish the number of victims of the deadly blaze.

www.standard.co.uk

"Most of those who perished, or who lost everything in the flames, were Black and Minority Ethnic people.."

Racism And Classism Killed The Residents Of Grenfell Tower

We are talking about some of the most marginalised and oppressed people in our society dying in a hellish inferno, so the very nature of the discourse around what happened at Grenfell Tower is innately political whether we want it to be or not. The fact is, Grenfell Tower - from the residents'...

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

 

[Frank Badfinger]

I remember when www.aulis.com used to have pictures of this but have since removed them, unfortunately:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1304241422317613058

Footage found here: https://getvideobot.com/video/1304241422317613058

I am surprised that clip is still on YT. Thanks for posting the twitter version.

 

[Tidal]

University of Alaska Fairbanks quote- "The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11.."

Haha they're funny guys, there's a saying in the building industry- "Never trust a truss", and as the WTC's were riddled with W-shaped trusses, the burning jet fuel simply melted them as this clip from a video explains-
1- The trusses began to sag under the heat..
2- pulling the concrete walls inwards..
3- the walls finally give way..
4- and rebound outwards, bringing down all the floors above them in a concertina effect-

 

[Bent8484]

Never thought of that before. Interesting idea.

Although flight path showed it going toward DC.

View attachment 41898

Symbolically, that would've made sense. Think about the targets as symbols of American power... WTC, symbol of economic power, Pentagon, symbol of military power. The capitol, as a symbol of political power, and Langley, the symbol of the US shadow government's power, would've been the next two most likely targets in the area, in my opinion.

 

[Tidal]

As regards the Pentagon which some people ridiculously claim an airliner never hit, are the 59 passengers and crew still alive in hiding somewhere?-

WIKI- American Airlines Flight 77 was hijacked by five Saudi men affiliated with al-Qaeda on September 11, 2001, as part of the September 11 attacks. They deliberately crashed the plane into the Pentagon killing all 59 people on board, including six crew members, in addition to the five hijackers, as well as 125 people in the building.

 

[Riptide]

Symbolically, that would've made sense. Think about the targets as symbols of American power... WTC, symbol of economic power, Pentagon, symbol of military power. The capitol, as a symbol of political power, and Langley, the symbol of the US shadow government's power, would've been the next two most likely targets in the area, in my opinion.

Anyone have understanding of the symbolism in two pillars (WTC) and a pentagram (Pentagon)?

 

[Tidal]

Bin Laden in rallying video, Oct 2001-

"The Twin Towers were legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic power.
These events were great by all measurement.
If avenging the killing of our people is terrorism then history should be a witness that we are terrorists.
Yes, we kill their innocents and this is legal religiously and logically.
There are two types of terror, good and bad.
What we are practising is good terror. We will not stop killing them and whoever supports them.
Bush and Blair don't understand anything but the power of force.
Every time they kill us, we kill them, so the balance of terror can be achieved.
It is the duty of every Muslim to fight.
Killing Jews is top priority."

 

[Bent8484]

As regards the Pentagon which some people ridiculously claim an airliner never hit, are the 59 passengers and crew still alive in hiding somewhere?-

WIKI- American Airlines Flight 77 was hijacked by five Saudi men affiliated with al-Qaeda on September 11, 2001, as part of the September 11 attacks. They deliberately crashed the plane into the Pentagon killing all 59 people on board, including six crew members, in addition to the five hijackers, as well as 125 people in the building.

No Bible verse in bold? Who are you and what have you done to Tidal?

Anyone have understanding of the symbolism in two pillars (WTC) and a pentagram (Pentagon)?

View attachment 41906

View attachment 41907

"Symbols rule the world..."

 

[Bent8484]

Bin Laden in rallying video, Oct 2001-

"The Twin Towers were legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic power.
These events were great by all measurement.
If avenging the killing of our people is terrorism then history should be a witness that we are terrorists.
Yes, we kill their innocents and this is legal religiously and logically.
There are two types of terror, good and bad.
What we are practising is good terror. We will not stop killing them and whoever supports them.
Bush and Blair don't understand anything but the power of force.
Every time they kill us, we kill them, so the balance of terror can be achieved.
It is the duty of every Muslim to fight.
Killing Jews is top priority."

He also claims to have nukes in the linked materials lol

 

[Tidal]

"Symbols rule the world..."

Sure, symbols might be everywhere like kids graffiti, but how exactly do they "rule" us?

 

[Bent8484]

Sure, symbols might be everywhere like kids graffiti, but how exactly do they "rule" us?

Have you tried reading VC's articles yet, like I suggested? I'm quoting him, so maybe you should go find out why that's the freaking slogan at the top of the page.

Why are you here? Like here, on VC's forums, specifically?

 

[Riptide]

Bin Laden in rallying video, Oct 2001-

"The Twin Towers were legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic power.
These events were great by all measurement.
If avenging the killing of our people is terrorism then history should be a witness that we are terrorists.
Yes, we kill their innocents and this is legal religiously and logically.
There are two types of terror, good and bad.
What we are practising is good terror. We will not stop killing them and whoever supports them.
Bush and Blair don't understand anything but the power of force.
Every time they kill us, we kill them, so the balance of terror can be achieved.
It is the duty of every Muslim to fight.
Killing Jews is top priority."

I can't get over how similarly "Osama Bin Laden" resembles "Obama Biden"

 

[Tidal]

He [Bin Laden] also claims to have nukes in the linked materials lol

Bin Laden in Time Magazine Dec 1998 responding to the question "Are you trying to acquire chemical and nuclear weapons?"

"Acquiring weapons for the defense of Muslims is a religious duty. If I have indeed acquired these weapons, then I thank Allah for enabling me to do so. And if I seek to acquire these weapons, I am carrying out a duty.
It would be a sin for Muslims not to try to possess the weapons that would prevent infidels from inflicting harm on Muslims"- Bin Laden, Time Magazine Dec 1998

 

[Bent8484]

Bin Laden in Time Magazine Dec 1998 responding to the question "Are you trying to acquire chemical and nuclear weapons?"

"Acquiring weapons for the defense of Muslims is a religious duty. If I have indeed acquired these weapons, then I thank Allah for enabling me to do so. And if I seek to acquire these weapons, I am carrying out a duty.
It would be a sin for Muslims not to try to possess the weapons that would prevent infidels from inflicting harm on Muslims"- Bin Laden, Time Magazine Dec 1998

It clearly says "Bin Laden claims to have nukes", November 2001. Al-Qaeda never acquired nukes, regardless of their desire for them in 98, so it's evidence that OBL frequently lied to the press. Right there in your source.

You sure seem to put a lot of stock into what Bin Laden said, though. Don't go joining the jyhad, little buddy!

 

[Awoken2]

University of Alaska Fairbanks quote- "The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11.."

Haha they're funny guys, there's a saying in the building industry- "Never trust a truss", and as the WTC's were riddled with W-shaped trusses, the burning jet fuel simply melted them as this clip from a video explains-
1- The trusses began to sag under the heat..
2- pulling the concrete walls inwards..
3- the walls finally give way..
4- and rebound outwards, bringing down all the floors above them in a concertina effect-

Trollage confirmed

As regards the Pentagon which some people ridiculously claim an airliner never hit, are the 59 passengers and crew still alive in hiding somewhere?-

WIKI- American Airlines Flight 77 was hijacked by five Saudi men affiliated with al-Qaeda on September 11, 2001, as part of the September 11 attacks. They deliberately crashed the plane into the Pentagon killing all 59 people on board, including six crew members, in addition to the five hijackers, as well as 125 people in the building.

Trollage re-confirmed

 

[Tidal]

Have you tried reading VC's articles yet, like I suggested? I'm quoting him, so maybe you should go find out why that's the freaking slogan at the top of the page.
Why are you here? Like here, on VC's forums, specifically?

1- Sadly I don't have the time to watch long vids (on any subject), I'd much rather hear the posters speak briefly in their own words (take it as a compliment) rather than shunt us off to let vids do their talking for them.
A good approach would be for the poster to say something in his own words and end with- "And here's a vid with more on the subject if anybody would like to watch it"

2- Why am I here? Because as a Christian I'm a truthseeker like most people here, and the name 'Vigilant Citizen' forum kinda grabs me because it suggests we have to be vigilant against lies, propaganda and cockamamie consp-theories pumped out by the Estab and their lackeys..
"..no lie comes from the truth" (Bible:1 John 2:21)
Jesus said- "Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” (Bible: John 18:37)

So can somebody answer my question as to how exactly are symbols ruling the world, because personally I don't feel a bit ruled..

 

[Bent8484]

1- Sadly I don't have the time to watch long vids (on any subject), I'd much rather hear the posters speak briefly in their own words (take it as a compliment) rather than shunt us off to let vids do their talking for them.
A good approach would be for the poster to say something in his own words and end with- "And here's a vid with more on the subject if anybody would like to watch it"

2- Why am I here? Because as a Christian I'm a truthseeker like most people here, and the name 'Vigilant Citizen' forum kinda grabs me because it suggests we have to be vigilant against lies, propaganda and cockamamie consp-theories pumped out by the Estab and their lackeys..
"..no lie comes from the truth" (Bible:1 John 2:21)
Jesus said- "Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.” (Bible: John 18:37)

So can somebody answer my question as to how exactly are symbols ruling the world, because personally I don't feel a bit ruled..

They're not videos. They're written text. And you're on that website already. Grandpa, did you forget how the internet works again? Maybe it's time for a nap, eh?

 

[Tidal]

It clearly says "Bin Laden claims to have nukes", November 2001. Al-Qaeda never acquired nukes, regardless of their desire for them in 98, so it's evidence that OBL frequently lied to the press. Right there in your source.
You sure seem to put a lot of stock into what Bin Laden said, though. Don't go joining the jyhad, little buddy!

Can you give us a link to where Bin Laden categorically says he possesses nukes?
My reading of what he said in Time Magazine is that he didn't want to give a straight yes or no answer, eg-
"..if I seek to acquire these weapons.."