The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise

[Artful Revealer]

And that prophecy too was fulfilled, as Christ is LITERALLY God's Firstborn Son.

Colossians
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father (God), Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people (Israel) in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son (Christ):
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his (Jesus') blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who (Christ) is the image (likeness) of the invisible God, THE FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE:

You go from identifying the subject with Jesus in Col 1:14 to Christ in Col 1:15, why you yourself have clearly distinguished Jesus from Christ.

The "firstborn of every creature" (better translated as "of all creation") refers to Jesus in His human form. You turn it into Christ because you want to fit the square in the circle of your Christ-is-Michael theory.

 

[A Freeman]

You go from identifying the subject with Jesus in Col 1:14 to Christ in Col 1:15, why you yourself have clearly distinguished Jesus from Christ.

Correct. Jesus was a flesh-and-blood human (this capable of shedding blood). Christ is an immortal Spirit-Being (incapable of shedding blood). Jesus therefore died on the cross. Christ did not.

The "firstborn of every creature" (better translated as "of all creation") refers to Jesus in His human form.

No, it doesn't. Jesus most certainly was NOT the first human ever created, which is why His lineage is traced back to Abraham in the Gospel according to Matthew and back to Adam in the Gospel according to Luke.

Christ has been around since before the world was. Jesus was only around for 40 years, roughly 2000 years ago.

You turn it into Christ because you want to fit the square in the circle of your Christ-is-Michael theory.

No. It was properly explained because most people don't understand the difference between the spirit and the flesh, even though they claim they do. The reference to the firstborn of every creature could obviously only apply to Christ.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Correct. Jesus was a flesh-and-blood human (this capable of shedding blood). Christ is an immortal Spirit-Being (incapable of shedding blood). Jesus therefore died on the cross. Christ did not.

I don't disagree with this.

No, it doesn't. Jesus most certainly was NOT the first human ever created, which is why His lineage is traced back to Abraham in the Gospel according to Matthew and back to Adam in the Gospel according to Luke.

Christ has been around since before the world was. Jesus was only around for 40 years, roughly 2000 years ago.

We perceive Jesus as being born in time because for us time is linear. For God, time is not linear. For Him, Jesus if the perfect man in this world, just as Christ, the Primordial Man, is the Perfect Man in Heaven, and everyone else are but corrupted (or fallen) versions of that perfection.

No. It was properly explained because most people don't understand the difference between the spirit and the flesh, even though they claim they do. The reference to the firstborn of every creature could obviously only apply to Christ.

Christ is the Firstborn in Heaven, through Whom all things were made.

Jesus is the Firstborn on Earth, through Whom all things were made.

I think this is what most people haven't understood.

 

[Lisa]

What verse have you provided that specifically states "God the Son" in it please? There are none in all of Scripture.

Do you really not understand what the word "OF", as in Son OF God, means?

Do I really need a verse that says He is God the Son..when he is the Son of God and God Himself...that would mean that He is God the Son..wouldn’t it?

So now you're calling God a liar? And which verses are the "right" verses Lisa?

Numbers 23:19 GOD [IS] NOT A MAN, that He should lie; NEITHER THE SON OF MAN, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

Why not just believe what God says -- ALL of it -- rather than make up and promote a bunch of lies as you do? Why do you consistently and repeatedly contradict the Bible, and then claim it doesn't mean what it clearly says?

No just you...

That verse doesn’t say God could never be a man in the flesh..just that He doesn’t act like us.

Are you just projecting now?

Why should anyone believe someone who calls God a liar as you've done? Why not simply read what the verses actually say, instead of trying to con people into believing that the verses don't really mean exactly what they say?

I think the problem really is..is that they don’t mean exactly what YOU say they mean..that’s the difference here.

Why would someone foolishly think that Christ came to destroy The Law, when Christ Himself said the exact opposite? Do you really believe in the LIE that Paul directly disobeyed Christ and supposedly did away with The Law, when Paul himself said he was keeping The Law, that The Law/Commandments of God are holy, just and good, and that he (Paul) was establishing it wherever he went?

Paul said that God forbid anyone foolishly believing that faith somehow voids The Law. So why do you promote the exact opposite of what God, Christ and Paul say? Can you really not see how anti-God, anti-Christ, and anti-Biblical your viewpoints really are?

Do you honestly believe that anyone who espouses and promotes such lies, i.e. that the Bible doesn't really mean exactly what it says (that Father and Christ are liars), has any hope at all of being part of Israel?

He didn’t come to destroy the law..but fulfill the law. In Him the law is fulfilled so when you came to him in faith and believe in Jesus..then the law is said to be fulfilled in you too..you take on His mantle around you.

Paul didn’t do away with the law..He just tells us that we can’t use the law to get to God on our own with works...we have sin between us and God and the only way to God is through the Son Jesus. Grace given by God through faith in Jesus who died for our sins.

To be grafted into the rich olive tree..one must first believe on Jesus. And we aren’t Israel we are still Christians just grafted in by the grace of God. I’m not Israel now. I’m a Christian..Israel has a different path to God and its a nationwide path instead of an individual path that the Christians have. We are together and yet we aren’t, since the Jews are still unbelievers in Jesus.

 

[A Freeman]

I don't disagree with this.

Good.

We perceive Jesus as being born in time because for us time is linear.

And, as Jesus was the human son of the virgin body of Mary, he was OF this world, again, as evidenced by Jesus' lineage.

For God, time is not linear.

Time is linear. Father exists outside of time and space (which He created), so He can see everything that has ever occurred, is occurring, and will occur, in a single instant.

For Him, Jesus if the perfect man in this world,

No question Jesus was a man and was the perfect sacrificial lamb.

just as Christ, the Primordial Man, is the Perfect Man in Heaven,

Except Christ is NOT a man of any kind, nor are there any men in Heaven, nor will there ever be (1 Cor. 15:50).

Christ is a Spiritual-Being of Light, the firstborn of the BILLIONS of Sons OF God. Christ is NOT human, nor is God (Father). People NEED to stop trying to humanize Father (God) and His Christ.

and everyone else are but corrupted (or fallen) versions of that perfection.

On Earth? Yes. But in the spiritual realm there are at least twice as many Sons of God as there are human+Beings here on Earth (Rev. 12:3-4). And they have not been corrupted.

Christ is the Firstborn in Heaven, through Whom all things were made.

Making Christ the Firstborn (first created) of every creature (including Spirit-Beings).

Jesus is the Firstborn on Earth, through Whom all things were made.

No, Jesus was NOT the Firstborn on Earth, as should be self-evident by the fact He is a Son (descendant) of David, and can thus trace His lineage back through Abraham to Adam. And no, Jesus did not make anything. It is through Christ that the worlds were made, including this one, where Jesus was born, where He died, and where He was resurrected, so Father could physically show everyone there is spiritual life after the physical death of the body..

I think this is what most people haven't understood.

Because it's total nonsense, requiring one to disregard over 60 generations spanning 4000 years leading up to the birth of Jesus, Who quite obviously was NOT the firstborn of every creature.

 

[KoncreteMind]

Thank-you. Please see the reply below, to illustrate there is no contradiction or irreconcilable differences in the multi-faceted prophecy being discussed.



The people Israel were sent into slavery in Egypt, as punishment for not keeping The Law. It began with the 11 sons of Israel selling their brother Joseph into slavery, and culminated with God using Moses to call Israel out of Egypt. Of God's Children, Israel is referred to METAPHORICALLY as God's firstborn, which is exactly what Israel is here on Earth.

Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the "I AM", Israel [is] My son, [even] My firstborn:

The reason for this is very simple: the people Israel were to be a peculiar people, set apart from everyone else on Earth by their obedience to God.

Deuteronomy 14:1-2
14:1 Ye [are] the children of the "I AM" your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the dead.
14:2 For thou [art] an holy people unto the "I AM" thy God, and the "I AM" hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto Himself, above all the nations that [are] upon the earth.

As God has promised, anyone who keeps His Law receives His Blessings, and so, when the Israel's neighbors would see how blessed Israel was, they would want what Israel had. The neighboring nations would then try to take that by force but, likewise as God promised, He would defend Israel against all aggressors and defeat their enemies. The defeated neighbors would then ask if there was anyway they could be included in what Israel had, and would be told yes, IF they too keep The Law.

And that is how the surrounding Gentile nations were to be grafted into Israel. The process would then have repeated itself, until the entire world became the Kingdom of heaven on Earth.

But that didn't happen, as explained in the next verse:



Instead of championing God's Cause here on Earth, and setting themselves apart through their obedience to God, Israel sadly decided to become more like the nations around them, eventually asking Samuel to give them an earthly king, like everyone else (see 1 Sam. 8), exactly as prophesied. And it went downhill from there.

The rest of the Old Covenant chronicles what happened to Israel, in direct fulfillment of the prophecies, and in accordance with The Law. When Israel even marginally obeyed The Law (e.g. under the reigns of David and Solomon), they were very richly blessed. When they repeatedly did evil/broke The Law (as was the case under most of the kings of Israel and Judah), they were punished/cursed.

Both houses were eventually taken into captivity again, the 10-tribed "House of Israel" into Assyria, c. 722 BC, and the 2-tribed "House of Judah" into Babylon, c. 588 BC., because they refused to obey God and His Law, making idols and "lords" (baals) of the rich and powerful, exactly as prophesied in Hosea 11:2.


Except it clearly was BOTH a statement of what had happened in the past AND a prophecy of what would happen in the future (right up to the present day) IF Israel didn't return to keeping The Law.

Hosea was written during the years leading up to the 10-tribed "House of Israel" being taken into captivity in Assyria as a WARNING to BOTH houses, not just for what happened to them in 722 BC and in 588 BC, BUT WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN AGAIN, AS ALL 12-TRIBES ARE DEFEATED IN WW3 and taken into captivity by their enemies (Russia and China).

The British (Israelites today, along with all of the commonwealth countries) literally have a "house of lords" in their parliament, in direct violation of The Law, even though the British monarch PROMISES to do his/her utmost to "maintain the Laws of God" in the coronation oath.

Most, if not all prophecies, have multiple applications throughout time, which makes them even more amazing and further proof of the Divine influence from start to finish in everything. The prophecies also factor in free-will, with at least two possible outcomes/timelines.


And that prophecy too was fulfilled, as Christ is LITERALLY God's Firstborn Son.

Colossians
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father (God), Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people (Israel) in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son (Christ):
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his (Jesus') blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who (Christ) is the image (likeness) of the invisible God, THE FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE:

Besides the Jesus stuff, Quran, and the British being the Israelites I vibe with a lot of your posts. With that said, this ain’t it chief. The verse says When (past tense) Israel was (past tense) a child I called (past tense) him out of Egypt. It’s on you to detail how this is a future prophecy.

 

[Artful Revealer]

And, as Jesus was the human son of the virgin body of Mary, he was OF this world, again, as evidenced by Jesus' lineage.

But He is also not of this world, as evidenced by Jesus' virgin birth, having only one human parent.

Time is linear. Father exists outside of time and space (which He created), so He can see everything that has ever occurred, is occurring, and will occur, in a single instant.

The opposite of linear time is non-linear time. For God, Time is non-linear. Before and after doesn't apply to God the way it does for us.

No, Jesus was NOT the Firstborn on Earth, as should be self-evident by the fact He is a Son (descendant) of David, and can thus trace His lineage back through Abraham to Adam. And no, Jesus did not make anything. It is through Christ that the worlds were made, including this one, where Jesus was born, where He died, and where He was resurrected, so Father could physically show everyone there is spiritual life after the physical death of the body..

Because it's total nonsense, requiring one to disregard over 60 generations spanning 4000 years leading up to the birth of Jesus, Who quite obviously was NOT the firstborn of every creature.

Here too you are looking at creation from a human perspective, which perceives time linearly.

Except Christ is NOT a man of any kind, nor are there any men in Heaven, nor will there ever be (1 Cor. 15:50).

1 Cor 15:50 speaks of flesh and blood, man's body. Obviously man's body will not enter heaven because Heaven is established by the union of soul and spirit, not the flesh.

Christ is a Spiritual-Being of Light, the firstborn of the BILLIONS of Sons OF God. Christ is NOT human, nor is God (Father). People NEED to stop trying to humanize Father (God) and His Christ.

Christ and God might not be human, as in, in flesh and blood, but man is made after the image of God.

Before Man was created in the flesh, Man existed in the Mind of God.

On Earth? Yes. But in the spiritual realm there are at least twice as many Sons of God as there are human+Beings here on Earth (Rev. 12:3-4). And they have not been corrupted.

Do you mean the stars refer to the celestial, uncorrupted beings?

Making Christ the Firstborn (first created) of every creature (including Spirit-Beings).

This disagreement is rooted in a difference in theological understanding. For you Christ is an angel. For me Christ is the Primordial Man in Heaven, ie. prior to creation.

Christ, the Primordial Man, is God in His Fullness, ie. the Father, the Son and the Spirit / Mother being one.

One has to interpret Jesus in light of Christ being manifested in creation. The creative act requires a trinity in itself to become a realilty.

Allow me to explain my point:

We are all creators to an extent. When we create, when we make something manifest in this world, whether it's an object, a song, a story, etc. our creative properties are dependent on both our thoughts and our words, for they cannot exist independently from one another, unless they have become manifest, meaning 'when they have entered creation'. The product of our creation is our "word turned flesh". A book or a song or a house, etc. can exist independently from our thoughts and words once they have been created.

Words need thoughts before they become manifest / expressed, and thoughts need words (or images) to be structured. They always coexist. And there needs to be a synchronicity between one's thoughts and words in an orderly fashion, else whatever one creates will be chaotic, and life, which relies on order, becomes impossible. Both one's thoughts and one's words (or images) cannot exist without a mind as the ultimate progenitor of these thoughts and words.

Therefore, in order for creation to exist, there must be a trinitarian creator, ie. a Mind (the Father, God's self), Thoughts (the Mother, God's spirit) and Words (the Son, God turning towards creating / creation). Mind, Thoughts and Words are distinct, but they are not separate. They can't be separate. They need to coexist in order to exist at all.

 

[LittleLady]

Can I get a confirmation of what on earth people aren't understanding?

 

[Stucky]

Can I get a confirmation of what on earth people aren't understanding?

That would be everything you say

 

[A Freeman]

Do I really need a verse that says He is God the Son..when he is the Son of God and God Himself...that would mean that He is God the Son..wouldn’t it?

No, it wouldn't. Do you really not understand what the word "OF" means? It means originated FROM. One cannot originate from themselves, nor are there any verses which state "God the Son" or "God the Holy Spirit" which should be enough for any rationally-minded human+Being to ascertain those are fabricated terms that are anti-Biblical (i.e. NOT from the Bible).

That verse doesn’t say God could never be a man in the flesh..just that He doesn’t act like us.

You're obviously wrong. Read what it actually says.

The verse does NOT say God doesn't "act" like us; it clearly says He is NOT a man, neither the son of man. Why? Because it's IMPOSSIBLE for our ALL-POWERFUL GOD to cease being ALL-POWERFUL, even for a moment.

Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

I think the problem really is..is that they don’t mean exactly what YOU say they mean..that’s the difference here.

As above please. You've read into that verse God "acting" like us, when it doesn't say that at all, because you desperately want to hang on the myths you've been conned into believing. And in doing so, you're calling God a liar, which is not wise.

He didn’t come to destroy the law..but fulfill the law. In Him the law is fulfilled so when you came to him in faith and believe in Jesus..then the law is said to be fulfilled in you too..you take on His mantle around you.

Do you understand what cognitive dissonance is please? It's when someone hold two conflicting viewpoints in their mind at the same time, exactly as you are. Whether you realize it or not, you are contradicting not only yourself, but what Christ actually said.

Again, read what those verses actually say, because it very clearly states that heaven and earth will pass before the slightest punctuation mark changes in The Law. So unless you believe that heaven and earth have passed away, which is ridiculous, there's absolutely NO WAY The Law isn't still in effect.

Paul didn’t do away with the law..

Correct.

He just tells us that we can’t use the law to get to God on our own with works...we have sin between us and God and the only way to God is through the Son Jesus. Grace given by God through faith in Jesus who died for our sins.

More self-contradictory nonsense. Sin = breaking The Law (1 John 3:4). Christ came to destroy sin (the works of the devil - 1 John 3:8). You would have people believe that Christ came to multiply sin, making the world MORE evil than it already is. How ridiculous!

If you want to draw closer to God (James 4:8) then REPENT OF YOUR SINS, i.e. STOP SINNING/BREAKING THE LAW.

Those who refuse to repent and return to keeping The Law are making a mockery of Christ's sacrifice to pay for our PAST sins (NOT to give us the freedom to sin/break The Law with impunity). No one can go through Christ without becoming Christ-like. And there is no such thing as faith without good (Godly) works.

To be grafted into the rich olive tree..

Which symbolizes the 10 "lost" tribes of the "House of Israel" (Jer. 11:16, Rom. 11:17-25).

one must first believe on Jesus.

We need to believe Jesus. NOT "in" Jesus or "on" Jesus. We need to believe Jesus and DO what He has COMMANDED us to do, which is to keep The Law (Mark 12:29-31).

Anyone who claims to know and love Jesus, who isn't keeping The Law/Commandments of God, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in them.

1 John 2:3-4
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.

And we aren’t Israel we are still Christians just grafted in by the grace of God. I’m not Israel now. I’m a Christian..Israel has a different path to God and its a nationwide path instead of an individual path that the Christians have. We are together and yet we aren’t, since the Jews are still unbelievers in Jesus.

The sad thing is you probably are Israel, particularly if you are an Anglo-Saxon American or someone living in Great Britain or the British Commonwealth states, or Ireland, or the Scandinavian and Baltic states. Most of the Israelite nations of the world converted to Christianity long ago, accepting Christ at least by name, but unfortunately not in practice.

 

[LittleLady]

That would be everything you say

Okay, this is the first and last time I'm ever acknowledging you.

 

[Stucky]

Okay, this is the first and last time I'm ever acknowledging you.

Phew!

 

[Tidal]

I don’t think any Hebrew here is ok with being associated with Jews when there is no such thing. It’s JUDAH so the Jew thing is a deception in itself.
Nor do I think any of the Hebrews here want to be associated with the Jews of the synagogue of Satan. Those who say they are “Jews”(what ever that is). Nor do any of us read the raggedy satanic Talmud, but I’ll digress and speak for myself.

The bottom line is that when anybody arrives at the pearlies they'll be asked one question by the gatekeeper- "Are you Christian?", and if they reply "yes" they're in, but if they say "no" he'll tell them-

"'Oppit!"

 

[Yahda]

The bottom line is that when anybody arrives at the pearlies they'll be asked one question by the gatekeeper- "Are you Christian?", and if they reply "yes" they're in, but if they say "no" he'll tell them-

"'Oppit!"

Show me any where where God has EVER said anything about a Christian in the OT. It’s unheard of.

 

[Tidal]

Show me any where where God has EVER said anything about a Christian in the OT. It’s unheard of.

If God wanted us to stick with the Old T, he wouldn't have sent Jesus to give us the NEW T (the clue is in the name)..
And remermber, we can hear the voice of God himself speaking through Jesus-
Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)

So when Jesus told the nonchristians that they were going up the spout, they better believe it..

 

[Yahda]

If God wanted us to stick with the Old T, he wouldn't have sent Jesus to give us the NEW T (the clue is in the name)..
And remermber, we can hear the voice of God himself speaking through Jesus-
Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)

So when Jesus told the nonchristians that they were going up the spout, they better believe it..

I rest my case. Even Jesus said that many Christians will come to him saying Lord Lord......and even he will say I NEVER knew you lollol! Christians are in for a real rude awakening.

 

[A Freeman]

Besides the Jesus stuff, Quran, and the British being the Israelites I vibe with a lot of your posts. With that said, this ain’t it chief. The verse says When (past tense) Israel was (past tense) a child I called (past tense) him out of Egypt. It’s on you to detail how this is a future prophecy.

What was shared (past tense) with you previously is (present tense, because it remains) correct. The word "when" is not past tense; it only indicates at what time something did or will happen.

The nation (the people) of Israel were literally in their infancy when it was called out of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 10:22 Thy fathers went down into Egypt with threescore and ten persons; and now the "I AM" thy God hath made thee as "the stars of heaven" for multitude.

Jesus was likewise in His infancy, when He (The King of Israel) was called out of Egypt.

Hosea 11:1 When Israel [was] a child, THEN I loved him, and called My son out of Egypt.

The prophecy therefore fits both cases. You can literally substitute both "the people Israel" or "the King of Israel" in Hosea 11:1 above for the word "Israel" and the prophecy holds true.

Do you think that God ever stopped loving the people Israel (or their King), even though "loved" is past tense?

 

[Lisa]

The sad thing is you probably are Israel, particularly if you are an Anglo-Saxon American or someone living in Great Britain or the British Commonwealth states, or Ireland, or the Scandinavian and Baltic states. Most of the Israelite nations of the world converted to Christianity long ago, accepting Christ at least by name, but unfortunately not in practice.

I’m not going to keep arguing the rest with you. You’re the one who is using scripture wrong.

Many of the actual Jews live in Israel..I’m not one of them. I’m a Christian saved by the blood of Jesus..who rose on the third day and sits at the right hand of God...waiting to come back down again to rescue His chosen people, Israel.

 

[A Freeman]

But He is also not of this world, as evidenced by Jesus' virgin birth, having only one human parent.

You're still confusing Christ, the IMMORTAL Spirit-Being Who is NOT of this world, with Jesus, the human that definitely was of this world, and was born in Bethlehem.

The opposite of linear time is non-linear time. For God, Time is non-linear. Before and after doesn't apply to God the way it does for us.

Perhaps, but linear time applies to all of us here on Earth, which is the place and time being discussed (Rev. 10:6).

Here too you are looking at creation from a human perspective, which perceives time linearly.

Because we're talking about humans, here on Earth, including Jesus, Whom Christ incarnated 2000 years ago.

1 Cor 15:50 speaks of flesh and blood, man's body. Obviously man's body will not enter heaven because Heaven is established by the union of soul and spirit, not the flesh.

While the soul and spirit (Being) are one and the same, the part about humans not entering Heaven is exactly what the verse says and what was meant by sharing it.

So if you believe the verse, then you know that the human Jesus is long gone, and never went to Heaven. Christ on the other hand, Who came down from Heaven, did go back to Heaven (John 3:13).

Christ and God might not be human, as in, in flesh and blood, but man is made after the image of God.

No, it is the spirit-Being (Soul) that God places (incarnates) INSIDE of the human body (Gen. 2:7) that is made in the image of God. God is a SPIRIT-BEING, and so are ALL of His Children, whether they are in the body or out of the body.

Before Man was created in the flesh, Man existed in the Mind of God.

Okay. So did every single thing that ever is, was, or ever shall be.

Do you mean the stars refer to the celestial, uncorrupted beings?

Yes. The two-thirds that fought WITH Father and Prince Michael/Christ against Lucifer/Satan and his angels (Rev. 12:7-9).

This disagreement is rooted in a difference in theological understanding. For you Christ is an angel. For me Christ is the Primordial Man in Heaven, ie. prior to creation.

Understood. However the Scriptures do not support your viewpoint. Christ is literally referred to as "an angel of THE LORD" numerous times throughout the Scripture of Truth, which He had Daniel seal (Dan. 12:1-4) until the end-times (NOW), when He (Christ) would break the seals (Rev. 5:1-5) and finish explaining the mystery of God (Rev. 10:7-10).

Christ, the Primordial Man, is God in His Fullness, ie. the Father, the Son and the Spirit / Mother being one.

Total, unscriptural blasphemy.

Christ is NOT a man, neither is He God, nor did He (Christ) EVER claim to be God, nor does it say anywhere in Scripture that Christ is God, nor does the Scripture tell us anywhere that God is "the Father, the Son and the Spirit/Mother".

In fact, the Scripture very plainly states that THERE IS NO QUEEN OF HEAVEN (Jer. 44:17-25).

In fact, the Scripture very plainly tells us there is no such things as a 3=1 deity (Deut. 6:4, Zech. 14:9, Mark 12:29).

If you don't learn to empty from your mind all of that satanic Roman Catholic trash, you will burn for it on Judgment Day. It simply cannot be made any clearer than that.

One has to interpret Jesus in light of Christ being manifested in creation. The creative act requires a trinity in itself to become a realilty.

According to Satan, the Opposer.

Allow me to explain my point:

Save it, don't give a hoot. If you want to peddle your satanic nonsense, which breaks the First and Most Important COMMANDMENT, then do it somewhere else.

 

[Tidal]

I rest my case. Even Jesus said that many Christians will come to him saying Lord Lord......and even he will say I NEVER knew you lollol! Christians are in for a real rude awakening.

I know, I cross the street to avoid some so-called "christians", and if they're going to heaven I swear I don't wanna go..