CHAZ

[Aero]

Democracy as mob rule is bad, yup. That's why the American Constitutional Republic is a superior form of social organization, which puts the rule of law above the will of the people, which changes from year to year like fashion trends. Just ask Plato, he didn't have anything good to say about democracy.
What "the people" ask for, which is really just what the media machine puts through the microphone and tells you its the people speaking, just so happens in this case to be the goals of the New World Order, funny that. And no not the braindead homeless people at CHAZ, this social phenomenon in general

Plato didn't like any form of government unless it was lead by a philosopher-king. So he wouldn't agree with you either.

 

[thursdayafternoon]

Idiocracy revolution. Every ten years, people are ready to buy a new Soros-made charade. Like Arab spring. Then "the revolution devours its children" and then agenda continues. Many well-educated people are also happy to live as computer code for the devil.

 

[vancityeagle]

Idiocracy revolution. Every ten years, people are ready to buy a new Soros-made charade. Like Arab spring. Then "the revolution devours its children" and then agenda continues. Many well-educated people are also happy to live as computer code for the devil.

LOL you are comparing CHAZ to the "arab spring"

Are you serious ?

 

[Aero]

If one thing history has learned us, it's that revolution isn't democracy. This isn't direct democracy, this is a typical radical socialist revolt in spirit of the Paris Commune, just with less brighter people.

Lol, drink the kool-aid much?

I read "Chaz" demands.

Abolition of the Seattle Police Department and the court system; defunding the SPD and reallocating those funds to community health; banning police use of firearms, batons, riot shields, and chemical agents; immediately releasing prisoners serving time for marijuana-related offenses or resisting arrest.

Looks like direct democracy to me. Please provide evidence of socialism.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Lol, drink the kool-aid much?

I read "Chaz" demands.

Abolition of the Seattle Police Department and the court system; defunding the SPD and reallocating those funds to community health; banning police use of firearms, batons, riot shields, and chemical agents; immediately releasing prisoners serving time for marijuana-related offenses or resisting arrest.

Looks like direct democracy to me. Please provide evidence of socialism.

What on Earth have those demands to do with democracy?

 

[Aero]

What on Earth have those demands to do with democracy?

People coming together to solve the problems the government refuses to solve. How is it not democracy in action?

 

[vancityeagle]

far right militias and white supremacists SHOOTING PROTESTERS.

Why have we not heard about this on the news ? But of course full coverage of CHAZ.

shocking acts of right wing terrorism and vigilantism accross America. Where is the outcry ?

https://itsgoingdown.org/this-week-in-fascism-64-far-right-violence-escalates-as-trump-ramps-up-rhetoric/

 

[justjess]

Its ironic how before all this happened there were those on this forum who warned against armed white militias and the danger the far right posed to this country via uprising and the potential to overthrow western civilization. Now that progressive ideologues do it its perfectly fine and they stand in defense of them and even pardon the destructive and degenerative elements that cant be ignored.

The new world order uses the leftist narrative and ideology as one of their main vehicles to bring about cultural and economic change. There is a conspiracy and they have chosen the left as their primary force to bring societal revolution.

I really wonder if anyone even reads what people say or not sometimes

I said from day 2 of these protests that this was a set up and a trap and people should abandon ship ASAP but you all missed that, right?

 

[vancityeagle]

interactive map documenting the recent far right wing agitation and violence, vigilantism, across the country.

http://web.pdx.edu/~aross/incidents/incidents.html

 

[vancityeagle]

As I said before the far right and agitators are certainly all imbedded in CHAZ.

More right wing operatives in CHAZ

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1272637858222915584

 

[Corvus Metus]

hahhahahahah lolwut?

Anarchists are not crazy hahahahha

the definition of anarchy is disorder.... u know like MENTAL DISORDER.

Disorderly is by definition NOT GOOD. U guys are retarded.

...So you don't actually know shit about what anarchism is and just listen to mainstream media? Cool.

Anarchism isn't chaos. It isn't disorder. It isn't lawlessness. An anarchist society would still have rules.

What anarchism is, is the idea of building a society horizontally, where unjustified hierarchy is abolished.

 

[Artful Revealer]

...So you don't actually know shit about what anarchism is and just listen to mainstream media? Cool.

Anarchism isn't chaos. It isn't disorder. It isn't lawlessness. An anarchist society would still have rules.

What anarchism is, is the idea of building a society horizontally, where unjustified hierarchy is abolished.

Neither is correct. 'Unjustified hierarchy' seems a bit arbitrary and to decide what is unjustified, you'd need an "authoritative body" to judge what is.

Anarchy is basically a society free from authority, but it can be filled in in different ways. What you're describing looks alot like anarcho-communism. But anarcho-capitalists for instance, wouldn't be opposed to hierarchy, since the free markets would decide that outcome, which they would call a meritocracy.

 

[seekinheart]

justjess spotted on fox news!

 

[shankara]

Neither is correct. 'Unjustified hierarchy' seems a bit arbitrary and to decide what is unjustified, you'd need an "authoritative body" to judge what is.

Anarchy is basically a society free from authority, but it can be filled in in different ways. What you're describing looks alot like anarcho-communism. But anarcho-capitalists for instance, wouldn't be opposed to hierarchy, since the free markets would decide that outcome, which they would call a meritocracy.

They say that anarcho-capitalism isn't really anarchism, that it would just lead back to a feudal situation. Actually there is quite some body of anarchist theory, Bakunin, Kropotkin, Chomsky, others who I can't remember right now. Basically it's society being organized on a smaller scale, local communities. Actually it really has nothing to do with the popular definition of anarchy ("anything goes"), except maybe Egoist Anarchism like Max Stirner.

Anyway, you probably already know all this but there might be people on this thread who haven't quite grasped.

 

[Artful Revealer]

People coming together to solve the problems the government refuses to solve. How is it not democracy in action?

It's the dictatorship of the proletariat, but in this case the proletariat isn't really defined by one's membership to the working class or working class intelligentsia; it's defined by skin colour and one's disposition to that skin colour, with alot of communist undertones.

 

[Corvus Metus]

Neither is correct. 'Unjustified hierarchy' seems a bit arbitrary and to decide what is unjustified, you'd need an "authoritative body" to judge what is.

Anarchy is basically a society free from authority, but it can be filled in in different ways. What you're describing looks alot like anarcho-communism. But anarcho-capitalists for instance, wouldn't be opposed to hierarchy, since the free markets would decide that outcome, which they would call a meritocracy.

Anarcho-capitalism doesn't exist though. There are people that claim to be anarcho-capitalists, but they don't understand anarchism or capitalism. The two idealgoues are directly opposed. Capitalism requires the presence of a state to even exist; it's needed to enforce the laws that allows capitalism to be capitalism.

Could you have a free market under anarchism? Yes. But it wouldn't be a capitalist free market since a group of what is essentially warlords with the money to fund their private army is the very thing anarchy seeks to abolish.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Anarcho-capitalism doesn't exist though. There are people that claim to be anarcho-capitalists, but they don't understand anarchism or capitalism. The two idealgoues are directly opposed. Capitalism requires the presence of a state to even exist; it's needed to enforce the laws that allows capitalism to be capitalism.

Could you have a free market under anarchism? Yes. But it wouldn't be a capitalist free market since a group of what is essentially warlords with the money to fund their private army is the very thing anarchy seeks to abolish.

It's just the inherent paradox of anarchy, whether you're communist or capitalist. In either situation you will arrive at someone taking power, whether it's through the equality of opportunity or the equality of outcome. Hierarchy is natural. You can throw as much political science at it as you want, it's inevitable. Best thing is to make sure your authority is GOOD, not evil.

 

[Lyfe]

The elites systems of control are always evolving. We live in psychological and scientific dictatorship and they are constantly building upon and honing control. The liberal media is psychological fascism. Its a combination of various elements taken from all sorts of isms.

 

[Aero]

It's the dictatorship of the proletariat, but in this case the proletariat isn't really defined by one's membership to the working class or working class intelligentsia; it's defined by skin colour and one's disposition to that skin colour, with alot of communist undertones.

Right because privatizing the police was a Karl Marx dream. I would have thought you might be fine letting the free market decide who should be a cop.

Your clearly fine with socialism, as long as the police work for the oppressors.

 

[Lyfe]

I feel like privatizing the police will turn into nothing more than factions and gangs and with the rich mercenary forces. You run into the same problem I think.