On the Trinity:

[bible_student]

We must be a blessed people to receive JAH's correction (not corruption) overriding the interpretations and teachings of the early Christians, the Copts, the Gnostics, the Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, the Manicheans, the Cathari; outsmarting the Tertullians and Origens, the Valentinians and the Irenaens, the Aquinases and the St. Anselms; reinterpreting the Koran better than the Muslims, the Torah better than the Jews and the Gospel of Jesus better than John.

You should feel blessed:

From the Foreword -

This Book is fact, NOT fiction; it is the truth about life in this galaxy and here
on Earth. It is the truth that you have, or should have, all been waiting
thousands of years to hear, i.e. what life on Earth is REALLY all about.

It has been written to enlighten the whole world, without preference to race,
colour or creed; it is a Book for ALL human+beings, including YOU. If, after
having read and DIGESTED its contents, you choose to disbelieve it, that will
have been your own decision and you will have my heartfelt pity, because, very
soon, as a result of your decision, you will first be tortured, by what you have
done, then burn and die on the Last-Day, as you have been promised and
continually reminded of, for thousands of years. You will have missed your
LAST chance to survive execution, and it will have been your own FREE
choice.
http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net

But I do have a question:

Ok.

Can a Word exist without a Thought? Can a Thought exist without a Mind?

That's two questions, not a question.
What do you think the answer is?

Does not everything begin with a thought?

 

[A Freeman]

27 pages into this thread and there isn't a single shred of Scriptural evidence of any multiple pagan Roman deities of any kind. Nor anything that states Jesus is God, etc.

Nothing.

Alternatively dozens and dozens of verses have been offered which directly and unequivocally state that there is only ONE TRUE GOD: Father, Whose Name in English is the "I AM". And dozens and dozens more that make it crystal clear that Christ NEVER claimed to be God, only the Son of God. Christ made it a point to let everyone know of His own He was powerless, that He wasn't omniscient, that Father sent Him, that Father IS His God, and that He (Christ) was also the "Son of Man" while He was incarnating the body of Jesus: something that God said He could NEVER be (God is NOT a man, neither the Son of Man).

Hundreds of verses from Scripture provided in support of the simple truth that there is only ONE TRUE GOD: Father, the "I AM".

Zero verses from Scripture in support of anything else.

May Father be with those reading this thread, and bless all those in genuine search of the Truth.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Ok.

That's two questions, not a question.
What do you think the answer is?

It's two questions, but they imply the same thing: dinstinction is not separation.

Does not everything begin with a thought?

I would say yes. But where does a thought come from?

And isn't a thought a hidden word before it is begotten and revealed?

 

[bible_student]

It's two questions, but they imply the same thing: dinstinction is not separation.

I would say yes. But where does a thought come from?

And isn't a thought a hidden word before it is begotten and revealed?

Ecclesiastes
3:10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it. (Gen. 3:16-19)
3:11 He hath made every [thing] beautiful in its time: also He hath set eternity in their mind, so that no human can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

Deut. 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The "I AM" our God [is] one "I AM":

Deut. 29:29 The secret [things belong] unto the "I AM" our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this Law.

Mark
12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength and serve Him ONLY: this [is] the first COMMANDment.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Ahh shit.

For a minute I thought you'd be a good sport. Too bad.

 

[bible_student]

Ahh shit.

For a minute I thought you'd be a good sport. Too bad.

You gave me that analogy before, and we already discussed it.
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/on-the-trinity.6477/post-247672

Ecclesiastes
12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His Commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
12:14 For God shall bring every work into Judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.

 

[TokiEl]

You are possessed.

You quote the Quran.

 

[Phithx]

@Artful Revealer

How about that curse duel?

I say your information has lies and blasphemy*, which are taking you steadily to hell-fire, and ours is Truth, which you can't see yet.

King of kings' Bible - Koran
Surah 3. The Family Of Amram, The House Of Amram (Ex. 6:18-20 Moses, Aaron, Miriam)
3:59. The similitude of Jesus (the human) before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be": and he was.
3:60. The Truth (comes) from God alone; so be not of those who doubt.
3:61. If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of God on those who lie!"
3:62. This is the true account: there is no god except God; and God- He is indeed the Exalted in Power, the Wise.

4:171. O People of The Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of God aught but the Truth. Jesus the (human) son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of God; and His Word (John 1:14), which He bestowed on Mary's (human) son; was a spirit-Being (Christ) proceeding from Him (making the human+Being called Jesus+Christ): so believe God and His Apostles. Say NOT "Trinity": DESIST: it will be better for you: for "I AM" is one God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a human son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on Earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.

* KIng of kings' Bible - Revelation
17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come here; I will show unto thee the Judgment of the great "Whore" that sitteth upon many"waters":
17:2 With whom the kings of the Earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the Earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
17:4 And the woman was arrayed in PURPLE (bishops) and SCARLET (cardinals) colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY (2 Thess. 2:7), BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS (her daughters) AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of her saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
17:7 And the angel said unto me, Why didst thou marvel? (Stop it!) I will tell thee the MYSTERY of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend outof the Bottomless Pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the Earth shall wonder, whose names were NOT written in the Book ofLife from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beastt hat was, and is not, and yet is.
17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth (Rome).

 

[bible_student]

You quote the Quran.

The Koran that I'm reading from Christ's very own King of kings' Bible and love to quote from, agrees perfectly with the rest of the Bible and says exactly the same as Jesus' Teachings in the Gospels.

TWH
10:12 The Lord told Mohammed exactly the same as Jesus had taught, which is NOT to worship
Jesus, or Mohammed, or any other Prophet or Angel, and to worship ONLY God (Sura 3:79)(Mark
10:18 & Matt. 5:48), and NOT to be priests (Sura 57:27 & Sura 4:152)(Matt. 5:19 & 23:8).

12:30 With this Book, the mystery of God is now finished, and His truth published, and soon, it and
the Gospel of The Kingdom will have been published, to all nations (Mark 13:10).

The King of kings' Bible is the new Authorised Version of the Bible.

 

[TokiEl]

The Koran that I'm reading from Christ's very own King of kings' Bible and love to quote from, agrees perfectly with the rest of the Bible and says exactly the same as Jesus' Teachings in the Gospels.

Who are you trying to fool ?

You are only out to confuse and obfuscate truths.

 

[bible_student]

Who are you trying to fool ?

You are only out to confuse and obfuscate truths.

How can you even make such a claim?

Since anyone can go and read it for themselves and see for themselves if what was said is true. The link has been given many times.

Here is the link:
[The Holy Koran]

If you haven't read it, then you are criticizing what you do not know, from a point of complete ignorance.

You may well believe that "it is so because you say it is so" or whatever, but the truth is that ignorance is no excuse.

 

[TokiEl]

How can you even make such a claim?

Since anyone can go and read it for themselves and see for themselves if what was said is true. The link has been given many times.

Here is the link:
[The Holy Koran]

If you haven't read it, then you are criticizing what you do not know, from a point of complete ignorance.

You may well believe that "it is so because you say it is so" or whatever, but the truth is that ignorance is no excuse.

Christ's very own King of kings' Bible. L0L

Who are you trying to fool ?

 

[bible_student]

Christ's very own King of kings' Bible. L0L

Who are you trying to fool ?

You are still trying to argue from a point of ignorance.

The King of kings' Bible

Incorporating:-

The Old Covenant / Testament;
The New Covenant / Testament
and The Holy Koran

Salem Aleichem
Peace be upon You

Copyright © 1997 - JAH
All Rights Reserved.

Correctly translated and
interpreted, in perfect harmony
as One Book...

As it was always
intended to be.

[Old Covenant]
[New Covenant]
[Koran]

Because of the dire situation in the world, with the objective of ending all conflict and establishing World Peace and God's Kingdom on Earth, The King of kings' Bible has been made available for free online reading, by The King of kings.

If you want to see, enter and benefit from God's Kingdom on Earth, then study and live what it says, and support The King of kings.

Click here for information on how to order The King of kings' Bible to get your own copy.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

How can you even make such a claim?

Since anyone can go and read it for themselves and see for themselves if what was said is true. The link has been given many times.

Here is the link:
[The Holy Koran]

If you haven't read it, then you are criticizing what you do not know, from a point of complete ignorance.

You may well believe that "it is so because you say it is so" or whatever, but the truth is that ignorance is no excuse.

Surah 27 - The Ants

27:88. Thou seest the "mountains" (governments) and thinkest them firmly fixed: but they shall pass away as the clouds pass away: (such is) the artistry of "I AM", Who disposes of all things in perfect order: for He is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
27:89. If any do good, good will (accrue) to them therefrom; and they will be secure from terror that Day.
27:90. And if any do evil, their faces will be thrown headlong into The Fire: "Do ye receive a reward other than that which ye have earned by your deeds?"

Romans 3

Justified by Faith

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[bible_student]

Surah 27 - The Ants

27:88. Thou seest the "mountains" (governments) and thinkest them firmly fixed: but they shall pass away as the clouds pass away: (such is) the artistry of "I AM", Who disposes of all things in perfect order: for He is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
27:89. If any do good, good will (accrue) to them therefrom; and they will be secure from terror that Day.
27:90. And if any do evil, their faces will be thrown headlong into The Fire: "Do ye receive a reward other than that which ye have earned by your deeds?"

Romans 3

Justified by Faith

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

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King of kings' Bible, Sura
27:88. Thou seest the "mountains" (governments) and thinkest them firmly fixed: but they shall pass away as the clouds pass away: (such is) the artistry of "I AM", Who disposes of all things in perfect order: for He is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
27:89. If any do good, good will (accrue) to them therefrom; and they will be secure from terror that Day.
27:90. And if any do evil, their faces will be thrown headlong into The Fire: "Do ye receive a reward other than that which ye have earned by your deeds?"

King of kings' Bible, Romans
3:21 But now the righteousness of God without The Law is manifested, being witnessed by The Law and the Prophets;
3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
3:24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
3:25 Whom God hath fore-ordained [to be] an atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;
3:26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth Jesus.
3:27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay: but by The Law of faith.
3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of The Law.
3:29 [Is He] the God of the Jews only? [Is He] not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
3:30 Seeing [it is] ONE God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
3:31 Do we then make void The Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish The Law.

Amen.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

King of kings' Bible, Sura
27:88. Thou seest the "mountains" (governments) and thinkest them firmly fixed: but they shall pass away as the clouds pass away: (such is) the artistry of "I AM", Who disposes of all things in perfect order: for He is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
27:89. If any do good, good will (accrue) to them therefrom; and they will be secure from terror that Day.
27:90. And if any do evil, their faces will be thrown headlong into The Fire: "Do ye receive a reward other than that which ye have earned by your deeds?"

King of kings' Bible, Romans
3:21 But now the righteousness of God without The Law is manifested, being witnessed by The Law and the Prophets;
3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
3:24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
3:25 Whom God hath fore-ordained [to be] an atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;
3:26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth Jesus.
3:27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay: but by The Law of faith.
3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of The Law.
3:29 [Is He] the God of the Jews only? [Is He] not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
3:30 Seeing [it is] ONE God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
3:31 Do we then make void The Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish The Law.

Dear @bible_student

Have you noticed how many brackets [are used] to shift the [apparent] meaning of straightforward [well, used to be] passages, in order to [rather cleverly] deceive people who have never read a [real] Bible?

 

[A Freeman]

Christ's very own King of kings' Bible. L0L

Who are you trying to fool ?

From Christ's Revelation to John, about the END-TIMES.

Revelation 19:11-16
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a NAME written, that NO man knew, but HE himself (ch. 2:17; 3:12).
19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

If you, or anyone else on this lunatic asylum prison planet for the criminally insane (aka planet Earth), actually think that God would allow ANYONE other than Christ Himself to publish the King of kings' Bible, to all the nations of the world (Matt. 24:14, Mark 13:10), then you are so far into Satan's grip that there is NO HOPE.

Don't be a fool. Learn The Way home or face The Fire.

The choice, as always, is yours to make. So choose wisely.

 

[bible_student]

Dear @bible_student

Have you noticed how many brackets [are used] to shift the [apparent] meaning of straightforward [well, used to be] passages, in order to [rather cleverly] deceive people who have never read a [real] Bible?

Dear @Red Sky at Morning ,

Have you read the kJV 1611 A.V. and noticed how many words are written in italics in the same way as [brackets] are used in the King of kings' Bible and have you compared it to the words written [in brackets] in the King of kings' Bible?

The King of kings' Bible is in perfect harmony with itself; if you quote a passage in one area from the King of kings' Bible, then you should also be quoting the other passage from it.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Dear @Red Sky at Morning ,

Have you read the kJV 1611 A.V. and noticed how many words are written in italics in the same way as [brackets] are used in the King of kings' Bible and have you compared it to the words written [in brackets] in the King of kings' Bible?

The King of kings' Bible is in perfect harmony with itself; if you quote a passage in one area from the King of kings' Bible, then you should also be quoting the other passage from it.

Why don’t you stick with the 1611 then, and use a decent Interlinear in any areas where varied meanings may be implied, rather than create your own version and attempt to harmonise it with the incompatible message of the Qur’an?

It seems like a monumental waste of time to me!!!

 

[bible_student]

Why don’t you stick with the 1611 then, and use a decent Interlinear in any areas where varied meanings may be implied, rather than create your own version and attempt to harmonise it with the incompatible message of the Qur’an?

Even the kJV 1611 has been incorrectly translated in places and the Books in it are not in their correct chronological order.

It seems like a monumental waste of time to me!!!

But it is not:

"All of the modern translations of the Bible are WRONG. The only previous translation that is any good is the Original king James' Authorised Version Bible and even it has been incorrectly translated in places and the Books in it are not in their correct chronological order (Please read the following King of kings' Bible "contents page" for the correct order of Books). However, I have now completed the "King of kings Authorised Version of the Holy Bible" (the text of which is older than the kJAV; has the Thees and Thous and is more accurately interpreted and more informative than the kJAV but in PERFECT harmony with it, using mostly the same text but having capital letters when referring to God - He; Him; His; Thine; Thou; Who etc. to make it easier to understand; with notes included in the text to make things clear...."

http://JAHTruth.net/kofkad.htm