Location of hell

[Lisa]

Only if you're disobedient. Why would you fear hell if you're on the right track. We should confess our sins and stay close to God and then we won't be thinking about hell continuously and the destruction that is going to take place there. We should have hope of going to God's Kingdom and living eternally.



I'll quote Jesus directly in response to this.

“Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41).

I’m just arguing that there is actual fear of God not just reverence of God. Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, I think that is also fear/fear and not reverence/fear.

 

[phipps]

The lake of fire doesn’t happen until after the white throne judgement. They are two separate events..

Revelation‬ ‭20:10-15‬ ‭​

And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.​

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I'm not going to go in circles with you on this subject. God is not going to destroy people twice. All the events of hell and the lake of fire happen here on earth (the breadth of the earth) at the same time before God recreates and New heaven and earth. There is not going to be any events in between. Not according to the Bible.

 

[phipps]

I’m just arguing that there is actual fear of God not just reverence of God. Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, I think that is also fear/fear and not reverence/fear.

Yes there is actual fear but there shouldn't be. God is kind, loving truthful and just. We have no need to be scared of Him.

"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" you just quoted is about reverence not being scared of God.

 

[Lisa]

I'm not going to go in circles with you on this subject. God is not going to destroy people twice. All the even of hell and the lake of fire happen here on earth at the same time before God recreates and New heaven and earth.

Nope! Your wrong on that. God lets satan out of his dungeon to deceive the nations again after the 1000 years and wonders of wonders he is able to deceive them and get another army to go against God where God brings down fire and wipes them out. Then after that comes the white throne judgement where the dead are resurrected to find out if their deeds and if their name is written in the book of life..if not then they are thrown into the lake of fire. They are two separate events. After that then God brings down the new heaven and the new earth.

 

[Lisa]

Yes there is actual fear but there shouldn't be. God is kind, loving truthful and just. We have no need to be scared of Him.

"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" you just quoted is about reverence no being scared of God.

Fear/fear..being thrown into the lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth..I’d say that’s a good fear to have Phipps.

It seems to me that fear/fear of God helps you to have wisdom, yes. You might not want to do something that would displease Him so you’d pray about it or don’t do it before you run headlong into something bad. Sort of like pleasing your parents..you know you shouldn’t do something but fear of a spanking from them helps too.

 

[phipps]

Nope! Your wrong on that. God lets satan out of his dungeon to deceive the nations again after the 1000 years and wonders of wonders he is able to deceive them and get another army to go against God where God brings down fire and wipes them out. Then after that comes the white throne judgement where the dead are resurrected to find out if their deeds and if their name is written in the book of life..if not then they are thrown into the lake of fire. They are two separate events. After that then God brings down the new heaven and the new earth.

I already explained this to you. God won't destroy Satan and the unrighteous twice. That is not biblical. Look more into what the white throne is.

 

[phipps]

Fear/fear..being thrown into the lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth..I’d say that’s a good fear to have Phipps.

It seems to me that fear/fear of God helps you to have wisdom, yes. You might not want to do something that would displease Him so you’d pray about it or don’t do it before you run headlong into something bad. Sort of like pleasing your parents..you know you shouldn’t do something but fear of a spanking from them helps too.

“There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear” (1 John 4:18). Jesus doesn’t want us to follow Him because of a fear of hell, but rather from a desire to be with Him because we love Him, because we know Him.

 

[Lisa]

I already explained this to you. God won't destroy Satan and the unrighteous twice. That is not biblical. Look more into what the white throne is.

I know what I’ve read in the Bible phipps, it’s clear as day. He does destroy the unrighteous twice, once at His second coming and again at after the millennium—two armies are brought against Him by satan.

Revelation‬ ‭19:19-21‬
And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Revelation‬ ‭20:1-3, 7-10‬ ‭
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.​

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‭‭ ‭Two separate situations all leading to the unrighteous being killed by God and satan dealt with and being let out a second time.

Revelation‬ ‭20:11-15‬ ‭
Then comes the white throne judgement where the dead are and that’s when people are thrown into the lake of fire after satan is the second time.
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.​

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[phipps]

I know what I’ve read in the Bible phipps, it’s clear as day. He does destroy the unrighteous twice, once at His second coming and again at after the millennium—two armies are brought against Him by satan.

Revelation‬ ‭19:19-21‬​

And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.​

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Revelation‬ ‭20:1-3, 7-10‬ ‭​

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.​

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When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.​

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‭‭ ‭Two separate situations all leading to the unrighteous being killed by God and satan dealt with and being let out a second time.

Revelation‬ ‭20:11-15‬ ‭​

Then comes the white throne judgement where the dead are and that’s when people are thrown into the lake of fire after satan is the second time.​

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.​

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I disagree and I'm done discussing this. I will be repeating myself again.

 

[Lisa]

“There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear” (1 John 4:18). Jesus doesn’t want us to follow Him because of a fear of hell, but rather from a desire to be with Him because we love Him, because we know Him.

That too..but if you really believe in the falling away..there is a little fear in that isn’t there? Come all this way to then shrink back to destruction that’s scary..

 

[Stephania]

This world may be a sinful place where Satan and the fallen angels dwell, but it is definitely not hell yet. Hell will come later after the resurrection of the wicked, their judgement and then fire will rain down from heaven to destroy the wicked and Satan and all the fallen angels.



Yes one day the this world will be re-created to its former glory before sin came into this world and the righteous will leave here on earth as part of God's kingdom. This world won't be heaven though, it will be part of God's Kingdom.

Luke 11:2, "So He said to them, “When you pray, say: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven."

Luke 19:12, "Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return."

And since there won't be sin and it will be completely destroyed along with the wicked, the only ones who will be alive will be only those who listen to God.



The lake of fire will be part of hell. Since hell and the rain raining down from heaven is what is going to create the lake of fire on this entire earth and yes, it will destroy Satan, all the fallen angels and the unrighteous. So the Bible says.

I disagree. Question.. why do you think that God says that this creation is going to be destroyed by fire? And the lake of fire erases all evil things and people. God even says to the king of Tyre in Ezekiel (Satan) that he is never again going to have any being after judgement day. No where in the Bible does it say God is going to keep him and the wicked ones in his creation forever, even if hell. You are teaching Catholicism, doctrines of men, that contradict the Bible.

 

[phipps]

That too..but if you really believe in the falling away..there is a little fear in that isn’t there? Come all this way to then shrink back to destruction that’s scary..

While I believe that people can fall away, I believe they can repent and turn back to the Lord. Unless they die in their sins, but personally I don't find that scary. My hope overrules any fear.

 

[Stephania]

Its scary but we know why He is going to throw people in hell don't we? Hell was really meant only for Satan and the fallen angels. The Bible exists to help us understand with the help of the Holy Spirit to choose to follow Christ so we don't end up in hell. God does not want to destroy anyone but its up to us if we make the choice to follow Him or not. It will be very painful for God to lose His loved ones but sin has got to come to an end one day.

Actually, the Bible says that Satan and the antichrists are all going in the lake of fire. So, no, it's not just for evil spirits but false prophets of beasts too. And TBH, I'm sure it scares them more that they are going to be erased by said fire and have no eternal existence anywhere. They don't mind fire that keeps them around, (the concept of hell/underworld) .. they worship that shit

 

[Lisa]

While I believe that people can fall away, I believe they can repent and turn back to the Lord. Unless they die in their sins, but personally I don't find that scary. My hope overrules any fear.

But what about this...

Hebrews‬ ‭6:4-8‬ ‭
For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.
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‭‭There does seem to be something to fear there, don’t ya think?

 

[phipps]

I disagree. Question.. why do you think that God says that this creation is going to be destroyed by fire? And the lake of fire erases all evil things and people. God even says to the king of Tyre in Ezekiel (Satan) that he is never again going to have any being after judgement day. No where in the Bible does it say God is going to keep him and the wicked ones in his creation forever, even if hell. You are teaching Catholicism, doctrines of men, that contradict the Bible.

Where did I post that "God is going to keep him and the wicked ones in his creation forever, even if hell." I don't believe God is going to keep Satan and the wicked in hell forever. Have you read anything I posted in this forum? I actually believe that they are going to be destroyed. As in they are going to die the second death which is eternal. If Satan and the wicked lived forever in hell that would make them immortal. The Bible tells us only the righteous will live eternally. You've misunderstood what I posted.

You are teaching Catholicism, doctrines of men, that contradict the Bible.

I know I'm not teaching Catholicism or doctrines of men. I think you really have just misunderstood me.

 

[phipps]

But what about this...

Hebrews‬ ‭6:4-8‬ ‭​

For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.​

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‭‭There does seem to be something to fear there, don’t ya think?

No, not according to the Bible.

 

[Lisa]

they are going to be erased by said fire and have no eternal existence anywhere.

Are they?

Revelation‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.​

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[Lisa]

No, not according to the Bible.

That is according to the Bible!

 

[Stephania]

Where did I post that "God is going to keep him and the wicked ones in his creation forever, even if hell." I don't believe God is going to keep Satan and the wicked in hell forever. Have you read anything I posted in this forum? I actually believe that they are going to be destroyed. As in they are going to die the second death which is eternal. If Satan and the wicked lived forever in hell that would make them immortal. The Bible tells us only the righteous will live eternally. You've misunderstood what I posted.



I know I'm not teaching Catholicism or doctrines of men. I think you really have just misunderstood me.

If I misunderstood you I apologize.

 

[Lisa]

My God! Does no one here actually read the Bible?