Who is Michael the Archangel?

[phipps]

Are you and Yahda the same person???

Again I thought you were replying a post s/he made, I didn't know it was about Yahda.

 

[Camidria]

I thought youwere responding to what Yahda said.

I know Professor Walter Veith doesn't agree with everything with the SDA Church. Neither do I. A church made up of people is not perfect and can veer off the written word of God sometimes.

You don't have to agree that the Archangel is Jesus if you're not convicted yet. But He is our Saviour. He has different roles in the Bible. All I know only god can resurrect people. No angel can and ever will.

What has the Jews waiting for a Messiah got to do with what the Archangel message?

About two years ago we had a guy claiming he was Michael the Archangel, the anti Christ - you can look him up in the old posts. His user name was King David. If you can go read through those old posts and threads then you will understand why this is a doctrine that does a lot of harm

 

[Camidria]

Again I thought you were replying a post s/he made, I didn't know it was about Yahda.

Ok no problem

 

[phipps]

About two years ago we had a guy claiming he was Michael the Archangel, the anti Christ - you can look him up in the old posts. His user name was King David. If you can go read through those old posts and threads then you will understand why this is a doctrine that does a lot of harm

Then clearly he was lying. The Archangel cannot be the Antichrist. All Christians well versed in reading the Bible know that.

Just because someone comes in here and lies doesn't mean we should stop posting about certain subjects. I think we should do it all the more to correct and reverse the lies about God.

Why would a true doctrine about Christ be harmful? Jesus has many roles in the Bible. He appeared to Abraham and Jacob and appeared to Moses and Joshua and others. This is the truth of the Bible.

 

[Renegade]

"The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first" (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

 

[phipps]

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Yes but do you think this verse cancels out 1 Thessalonians 4:16? It harmonises with it and the rest of the Bible about Jesus' second coming.

Here is a verse that harmonises with 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.

"And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matthew 24:31. Here Jesus has a trumpet that He sounds and the angels are sent to gather the elect, Just as He sounds the trump to resurrect the dead in 1 Thessalonians 4.

What I'm saying harmonises with the whole Bible. The Archangel is Christ Himself.

 

[Renegade]

Yes but do you think this verse cancels out 1 Thessalonians 4:16? It harmonises with it and the rest of the Bible about Jesus' second coming.

Here is a verse that harmonises with 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.

"And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matthew 24:31. Here Jesus has a trumpet that He sounds and the angels are sent to gather the elect, Just as He has sounds the trump to resurrect the dead in 1 Thessalonians 4.

What I'm saying harmonises with the whole Bible. The Archangel is Christ Himself.

Hebrews 1:5, : "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?

 

[bible_student]

Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, the first of the chief princes [of God], came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Daniel 10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the Scripture of Truth: and [there is] NONE that holdeth with me in these things, EXCEPT Michael your prince (Eno. 67:1; Rev. 5:3; 5; 9 & 12:7).

Matthew 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of Man hath not where to lay [his] head.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Hebrews 1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
1:5 For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art My Son, this day have I incarnated thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to Me a Son?
1:6 And again, when He bringeth in the first incarnated into the world, He saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
1:7 And unto the angels He saith, Who maketh His angels spirits (Beings), and His ministers a flame of fire (energy).
1:8 But unto the Son [He saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy Kingdom.
1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated inequity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows (spirit-beings).

King of kings' bible

 

[TokiEl]

Daniel 10 21 “But I will tell you what is noted in the Scripture of Truth. No one upholds me against these, except Michael your prince.


So God does not help His good angels against renegade angels ? Or is Michael God ?

That is not for you to answer because you have no clue about Heavenly things !

 

[phipps]

Hebrews 1:5, : "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?

I agree with the above verse because its true and harmonises with the rest of the Bible and what I've posted. And I've read the whole Chapter too.

This is pointless. I've made my point and that's that. If you can't see that and connect the dots lets leave it at that. God bless.

 

[TokiEl]

Revelation 12 7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Michael must be some sort of commander of angels.

Like this one...

Joshua 5 13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, “Are You for us or for our adversaries?”

14 So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.”

And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped, and said to Him, “What does my Lord say to His servant?”

15 Then the Commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy.” And Joshua did so.


Who among God's good angels accept worship ? And who else said those words... take your sandal off your foot for the place where you stand is holy ?

Who is this being ? Who is this commander of God's angels ? Who is this Michael ?

There is only one correct answer.... and if you don't know it... just be still.

 

[Renegade]

Revelation 12 7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Michael must be some sort of commander of angels.

Like this one...

Joshua 5 13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, a Man stood opposite him with His sword drawn in His hand. And Joshua went to Him and said to Him, “Are You for us or for our adversaries?”

14 So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.”

And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped, and said to Him, “What does my Lord say to His servant?”

15 Then the Commander of the Lord’s army said to Joshua, “Take your sandal off your foot, for the place where you stand is holy.” And Joshua did so.


Who among God's good angels accept worship ? And who else said those words... take your sandal off your foot for the place where you stand is holy ?

Who is this being ? Who is this commander of God's angels ? Who is this Michael ?

There is only one correct answer.... and if you don't know it... just be still.

Its called a theophany but you insist in downgrading God to an angel

 

[TokiEl]

Its called a theophany but you insist in downgrading God to an angel

Michael is the commander of God's angels who accepts worship.

Who among God's angels accept worship ? Nobody !

Therefore Michael is God !


One really doesn't need that much understanding to come to this correct conclusion.

 

[bible_student]

It says Michael is the first of the chief princes of God:

Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, the first of the chief princes [of God], came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

 

[bible_student]

Daniel
7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of Man came with the "Clouds" of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before Him.
7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion [is] an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom [that] which shall not be destroyed.

 

[TokiEl]

It says Michael is the first of the chief princes of God:

Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, the first of the chief princes [of God], came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

It is said in Daniel 10:13 that Michael is the first of the chief princes. And in Daniel 10:21 Gabriel said nobody helps him except Michael the prince of who ? The prince of Daniel and Israel !

In Revelation 12 it is Michael and his angels who fight the Devil and his angels. So Michael is the commander of God's angels. And that commander accepts worship as told in Joshua 5. He even used the same words as God did to Moses.

 

[bible_student]

"And I will set up ONE Shepherd over them (the flocks - plural - the 2 kingdoms) and he shall feed them, even My "well-beloved" * servant, he shall feed them and he (ALONE) shall be their Shepherd (singular).
And I the Lord will be their God, and My "well-beloved" * (Matt. 3 v 17 - Son) servant a Prince (Son of the King - Prince Michael - the Arch-angel - Daniel 10 v 21 & Revelation 12 v 7) among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
And I will make with them a "Covenant of Peace" (Jesus is called the Prince of Peace - and the New Covenant / Testament reconfirms the Moral Law of the Old Covenant [The Torah] and adds a spiritual dimension to it)."

(Much is explained, here : http://jahtruth.net/nsong.htm )

 

[Renegade]

Michael is the commander of God's angels who accepts worship.

Who among God's angels accept worship ? Nobody !

Therefore Michael is God !


One really doesn't need that much understanding to come to this correct conclusion.

This is the entirety of what scripture says of Michael.. No commander or worship mentioned..
Daniel
13But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.
Daniel
21but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince.
Daniel
"At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered.
Revelation
Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
Jude
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

 

[bible_student]

Only, it also says in Daniel that The Prince is the Messiah -

Daniel
9:21 Yea, whilst I [was] speaking in prayer, even the person Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
9:22 And he informed [me], and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
9:23 At the beginning of thy supplications the Commandment came forth, and I am come to show [thee]; for thou [art] greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in Everlasting Righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint The Most Holy [as King].
9:25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the Commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and The Sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
9:27 And he shall confirm The Covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations He shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation (the "Lake of Hell-Fire"), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

- King of kings' bible

 

[TokiEl]

This is the entirety of what scripture says of Michael.. No commander or worship mentioned..
Daniel
13But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.
Daniel
21but first I will tell you what is written in the Book of Truth. (No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince.
Daniel
"At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered.
Revelation
Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
Jude
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

You have in the Script found the dots about Michael... but you have not connected those found dots.