gcha8e
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It is a complement to have had you give such a detailed response. I think you for that, and apologize as I don't have the time for a full blown point to point response, but the heart of the matter is how the following verses are interpreted. I will provide a comment to 3 of these. I will provide more as time permits.When we confess it is THEN we are Saved...
Now is the day of Salvation...
We hold in our possession NOW the Helmet of Salvation and are commanded to put it on, it is not something given in the Future...
When people terrorize us for our Faith, it is the evidence of their perdition but our Salvation, which we have now...
The preaching of the Cross, it is foolishness to the Lost, however to us who ARE already Saved, it is the Power of God...
We ARE Saved by the preaching of the Cross...
We who ARE Saved are a sweet smelling Savor to God...
By His Mercy He HAS Saved us...
All of these verses allude, point, or directly state that Salvation is something we now posses, it is already granted to us and not a Future Event. These verses must be included in ones ideal in what Salvation is, so while we can indeed find verses that speak of a continuing process ( which is called Sanctification) and an end point where Sanctification is perfected in the New Heavens and Earth for believers, we can not reject and ignore the fact that Salvation is still granted at the moment one is Born Again....
1) Now is the day of Salvation...[2 Cor 6]
* This is a quote of the old testament about the liberation of God, freeing his covenant people of their opression. This is a slightly abstract and allegorical connection to the explanation Paul gives about "the ministry of reconcilliation" (2 Cor 5:20). This has to do with the idea that Christ has reconciled our broken relationship with God. It is a fresh start with God. (the new creation is a metaphor connecting the reestablishment of Corinth as a new settlement after it's complete destruction by Rome.
2) We hold in our possession NOW the Helmet of Salvation and are commanded to put it on, it is not something given in the Future...
* This is figurative speech for protecting the mind by focusing our thoughts on God's salvation. The goal of the passage is to express the need to: Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand [Eph 6:13]. The focus of the verse is not to give an explanation about the workings, causes or means of salvation. It appears as if you may have used a different passage or an assumption upon which to base your claim about the helmet being something we fully "possess" and use at will.
3) When people terrorize us for our Faith, it is the evidence of their perdition but our Salvation, which we have now...
* That appears to be a paraphrase of EPH 1:28 KJV? I would merely point to better translations of this verse which have the wording differently. A key point here is that the passage speaks of a "token" or a "sign" of the salvation. The token points to to things.... destruction... when is the destruction of persecutor? The answer can only be the same time frame for the salvation - it is the same token! (i.e. if the salvation is now, the destruction is now - these go hand in hand)