X-mass - Yuletide (a Pagan Festival)

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  1. Forever Light

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    Dear All,

    We hope this finds you all well, in good spirit and having a good day.

    In a previous thread, the topic of XMAS came up.
    Please see JAH's message regarding Christmas/Xmas, below.

    Peace be upon you,
    Forever Light.

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    X-MASS - YULETIDE

    A PAGAN FESTIVAL

    (which is actually condemned by Christ)

    CHRIST'S OPINION of SANTA CLAUS and YULETIDE, as expressed by HIS ANGEL, to HIS APOSTLE JOHN, in THE APOCALYPSE, Chapter 2.

    Xmas has absolutely nothing to do with God. It was originally called Yuletide, which is a pagan festival from the Babylonian Mystery religion of SUN worship. The Babylonians were merchants (they were the originators of the "Market-system" which is condemned by God) and they used Yuletide to sell their merchandise because, like today, it made them lots of money. Then in the first century A.D. Simon (the Sorcerer) Pater (NOT Peter) stole the name christian, mixed it with the Babylonian Mystery religion and formed a new religion called christianity, that teaches the opposite of what Christ taught, and has SUNdays as its sabbath days, due to its SUN-god worshipping origins (Galatians 1:6-9; 2:4). Simon Pater NOT Simon Peter (Cephas) started the fake religion called "christianity" (Acts 8:9-25). Christ's TRUE followers or disciples called themselves "Followers of The Way" or "Those True to The Covenant" (Nazrim ha-Brit), NOT christians.

    SUN
    day is the FIRST day of the week, NOT the Sabbath which is the SEVENTH day; on which God rested. This "so-called" christianity perverted the teachings of Christ and incorporated their pagan rituals, in their temples, which have as their focal point a "Tower of Babel" (from which the word Babylon is derived) in which were babbling-bells. This is directly opposed to the true teaching of Christ who says that YOU must NOT go to church (Matthew 6:5-6 where synagogue means all churches). They also hijacked the virgin-birth and moved it from April to December 25th to coincide with their own Yuletide festival, which Christ says he HATES, in the Holy Bible, in Apocalypse/Revelation 2:6, 15, where the Nicolaitanes, whose doctrine Christ hates, are the followers of Santa (Ni)-Claus, who celebrate Yuletide (and Easter [Ishtar] a god of fertility - eggs are the symbol of fertility not crucifixion).

    Verse 6: But this thou hast (in thy favour), that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes which I (Christ) ALSO HATE.

    Verse 15: So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes (the followers of St.Nicholas - Santa Claus), which thing I (Christ) HATE.

    The Nicolaitans celebrate Yule-tide (Christmas now) and Santa Claus (st. Nicholas) and decorate trees with silver, which thing Christ HATES, because it is Satanic and NOT from God or Christ, as he makes perfectly clear in the verses above.

    SANTA CLAUS WEARS SCARLET which Christ has told us is SATAN'S COLOUR (see Revelations chapter 12 verses 3+9 - the great RED dragon - SATAN).

    SANTA CLAUS is an anagram for SATAN.
    SATAN LUCAS/LUCIFER - THE DEVIL.

    There is nothing Godly about Christmas and Christ HATES it; so how can christians celebrate it? Who taught them to do so? Certainly NOT Christ or his apostles.

    A true Christian would be one who follows Christ's Way, does what He did, loves what He loved and hates what he hates - he would not imagine or theorize on what Christ would like or not like.

    The "Virgin-birth" was in Spring at the time of birth and The Passover, when "lambs" were being born. It was NOT in December, the seasonal time of death.

    The virgin-birth was actually in April, with new-born lambs in the fields, just like the Second Coming.

    The fact that the three kings came to pay homage, and brought gifts of great wealth, was used by Satan to give, to those who perverted the teaching, the idea to continue and even increase the sales of their merchandise (a great marketing-exercise for them). So the virgin-birth was hijacked and corrupted into a time to make lots of money, using the ultimate in "high-pressure sales techniques", which was to falsely use God's Son's name, in order to embarrass people, who couldn't afford to buy gifts, to go into debt or steal in order to buy their merchandise. By doing this the rich merchants ruin the lives of the poor, driving them further into debt and poverty or crime, whilst making themselves richer and richer. It is WRONG and EVIL from every angle. The original gifts were from rich kings to the "supposedly" poor - from the rich to the Son of God. There is absolutely NO Biblical precedent or teaching that supports giving gifts to human children. The merchants have turned it all backwards and made it the opposite, where the poor give money to the rich. They have done this because it and they are Satanically inspired. Satan is a Hebrew word that means "the Opposer" - someone who does and says the OPPOSITE of what God says, telling and teaching others to do the opposite too, by words, persuasion and example.

    Giving presents to human children, instead of them giving their "selves" as presents to God, feeds their egos (the "self") and makes them more arrogant and selfish because people are paying homage to them, bringing them gifts. This arrogance then causes them to oppress adults (Isaiah 3:12).

    Instead of which they should be paying homage to God, and being thankful for Him having sent His Son to show them The Way, using their money in God's cause (for good). Children like adults have to lose their egos and become unselfish (by daily crucifixion - "self"-sacrifice); humble; polite and helpful, or they will continue the ruining of the world and cause themselves to be executed on the Last Day.

    So, by giving gifts and celebrating a pagan festival, parents are, IN REALITY, doing harm to their own children and themselves, whilst making themselves poorer, and the rich richer and bringing about the ultimate execution of their children's souls (Beings) and their own, on the now imminent Last Day.

    Children should get only what they need, when they need it and NOT get expensive useless rubbish that breaks and/or is quickly discarded. They need you to spend the time, that you spent working to buy presents, with them, teaching them love and how to behave properly, instead of feeding their egos. Less time at work, for you, and more time with your children so that you are not strangers to each other.

    Christ came to bring True Justice for everyone, to put an end to poverty and make life loving and better EVERY day not one miserable day a year.

    The decking of fir trees with silver and gold and placing presents (offerings) under them is also a pagan ritual condemned by God in the Bible in Jeremiah 10:2-4. Nimrod/Osiris/Horus is often pictured with wings, holding reindeer and a fir tree.

    Also, if you take the word CONIFER, which is the name given to the family of trees to which the Christmas (Fir) tree belongs, and split the word in two, you get:

    CON-IFER

    CON
    - Satan is known as the biggest con-artist ever. He invented it.

    IFER
    - The last half of Lucifer's name.

    HE'S LAUGHING AT ALL OF US RIGHT NOW!


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    SANTA SATAN
    by Mr. Normal
    (Xmas Eve, 2000)

    Is it plausible that Santa is really Satan?"

    Think about it, folks! It's not just that "Santa" is an obvious anagram of Satan; that Santa wears a demonic red suit symbolic of the fires of Hell; and that his huge hat must conceal horns. The clincher is that Santa represents xmas, that time of year when christian greed and phony sincerity reach their unctuous peak. It's the season when braindead followers of the ultimate cult are whipped into frenzies that leave them figuratively drained -- broke and exhausted.

    Understandably, it's also the time of the year when depression and suicides max out as the futility of achieving happiness sinks in at least subliminally. A December, 2000 Gallup poll shows that 85% of us think that xmas is too commercial, but Santa/Satan wouldn't have it any other way! Our most respected institutions are in on the plot too. Even the law of the land (U.S.A.) forbids a baby Jesus in the town square, but who's there instead? You
    guessed it! Santa! - Satan.

    Lucifer/Satan once was one of God's angels. Satan's attempted heavenly coup failed (Isa. 14:12-15), but he was given his very own place to rule and called it Hell/Earth (Rev. 12:9) Satan also got free reign to tempt as many people as he wanted (even Christ himself!) and lots of fabulous stuff to tempt them with (like eternal youth and Mercedes Benzes). However, Satan still was not satisfied. He worked hard to make xmas the most important retail event of the year. A recent survey showed that 60% of holiday spending occurs at xmas, and another 20% at Satan's recognized holiday of Halloween. Think about it, folks! Satan has locked up 80% of our holiday dollars! Who else could be the "red dragon" of Revelation 12:3, ?. More important is that asking Santa for something really is an unwitting pact with the Devil, and parents are dooming their children's souls to Hell-Fire! (Coming to your neighbourhood; soon - JAH.)

    "Santa Satan's" devilish temptations have achieved what John Lennon could only try to claim for the Beatles -- greater popularity than Jesus! Indeed, "Santa Satan" truly is the reason for the season!

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    Christ, the Spirit-Being that was placed in-side the body (IN-carnated not begotten as it has been misinterpreted) called Jesus, was not born 2000 years ago or even 2,000 millennia ago. He is, as he said, older than this planet and zillions of years old, being the first created by God (His oldest Son - Prince Michael - Dan. 10:21). It was only the human animal organic computer (body), that was used by the Son of God, that was born 2000 years ago. You are not supposed to worship or make graven images of a human organic computer, similar to the one that you are locked inside of, or even the spirit (Christ) that was within the body called Jesus, you are supposed to worship his Perfect Father the Supreme-Being, as Christ himself told you to do. God is not a human, He is a "Being of Light" (soul). Therefore His Son (Christ) is not a human either but was the soul (Being) that was inside the human body from the virgin-birth. God is Spirit (energy/Light) and you must worship Him in spirit (with your spirit - soul) in TRUTH and love Him, as He loves you. JAH.

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  2. Red Sky at Morning

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    You won't have been here long enough to know we've been here before...

    Saturnalia, Astarte, Kringle and Krampus... straw man pagan infiltration into the Church that would have done better to stick with the Lords Feasts to understand both Jesus' earthly ministry, and his future return..

     
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    Also, lol.
     
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  4. Forever Light

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    Agree with what you say regarding the Lords Feasts, and that it would have been much better to stick with them.

    Regarding the Feast of The Lord we read about in the Torah, the following article (from Time to Think) might be interesting to some. It lays out the Feasts of The Lord and how they could be observed by anyone who wants today - along with being based on a modern day interpretation of the Yearly Enochian (solar) Calendar that was given to Enoch by The Lord:

    HOLD FAST – Feast or Famine and the Passover
    [This article is a modern-day view of the Passover, the Feast of the Weeks, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Day of Atonement, and the Feast of the Tabernacles, and their meanings.]
    https://hannahmichaels.wordpress.com/2014/03/17/hold-fast-feast-or-famine-and-the-passover/

    P.S. Thank you for the video. Not watched yet but hope to do tomorrow.
     

  5. Red Sky at Morning

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    The clip is only about 2 mins...
     
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  6. Daciple

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    Blasphemy, Jesus Christ is God, not a creation, not an Angel period!!!

    Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

    Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

    John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    Heb 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
    8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.



     
  7. JoChris

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    There is one error that completes discredits all further writings of JAH.

    Saint Nicholas is thought to have been born in 3rd century AD.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas
    http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/2008/august/real-saint-nicholas.html

    The Book of Revelation is known to have been completed by end of 1ST CENTURY AD.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+2:1-7&version=KJV

    The Nicolaitans were in fact a gnostic sect or breakaway group from the mainstream church.
    https://www.gotquestions.org/Nicolaitans.html
    http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/nicolaitans/

    An individual who is incapable of getting basic, easily checked facts right should be the last place people go for bible translations etc.
     
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  8. Forever Light

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    How then do you explain these things, that Jesus Himself made a point of to say, please?

    Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have Eternal Life?
    19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? [there is] none good but One, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the Commandments.
    19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness (tell lies),
    19:19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.

    John 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.
    10:30 I and [my] Father are at one. (N.B notice corrected translation/interpretation)

    John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

    The Bible (along with intuition and common sense) tells us, that God is the Most High.
    By definition -the "Most High" means there can only possibly by ONE to which that description (most high) could apply.

    John 20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
    20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

    So there we have it. Jesus told us Father is our God, and His God, too.

    Christ made this world; but Father (The Most High - The Creator (YHWH - RABB - "I AM") Who is above ALL, as Jesus said) first created His Eldest Son, Christ (Prince Michael).

     
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  9. Forever Light

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    Ever heard of prophecy?
    Bible prophecy predicting details of future events, that have not yet happened at the time it (the prophecy) was given.
    This is actually quite common, throughout the Bible.
     
  10. Forever Light

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    Also, read carefully what Jesus prayed (so that John could hear, and write it so we could read it today) about Him and Father being One:

    John 17:17 Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy Word is Truth.
    17:18 As Thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
    17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the Truth.
    17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe me through their word;
    17:21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent me.
    17:22 And the glory which Thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are One:
    17:23 I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved me.
    17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom Thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my Glory, which Thou hast given me: for Thou lovedst me BEFORE the foundation of the world.

    The Church people (who Jesus called "the blind, leading the blind") because they were blind, could not understand this.

    Therefore, to try and explain what they could not "see" and understand, they made up the "trinity" doctrine, which is wrong for what should be obvious reasons.

    The "trinity" doctrine is wrong and it makes a complete nonsense of the rest of The Bible (which the church edited in places, but the mistakes are not that hard to spot, and the true Message is still there - as God did not allow them to succeed in being able to completely hide it - just as He (God) promised).

    Jesus gave His followers a stern WARNING and said don't go to church. (only hypocrites go to church)

    So, forget what you have learned in churches. Read it for yourself with new eyes, and in this way get to really know Christ, by following His Teachings, exactly as He said them.

    Also, read what Christ said to Philip, when he asked him about The Father.

    God is Love and Christ explained, that Father is in Him. So therefore, if you have seen the Love that is in Christ, then you have seen The Father (Love).


    "you must UNLEARN what you have learned" -Yoda
    http://jahtruth.net/starwar.htm
     
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  11. floss

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    @Forever Light

    What's your plan of salvation? Are you Christian or Christian Mystic? What is your belief if aren't Christianity.

    You quoted a lot of Bible but I don't know if you're a saved Christian or something else.

    If you want the Truth, pray and read the KJB instead of this JAH website where you quote most of your stuff. KJB is the only true inspired word of God not this man made website.
     
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  12. Daciple

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    I never said she stole my wallet.

    What did I just intend to state here? Depending on what word is stressed it changes the entire understanding of the sentence.

    I never said she stole my wallet: This means someone said she stole my wallet but it wasnt me.

    I never said SHE stole my wallet: I said someone stole my wallet but I never said it was her.

    I never said she stole MY wallet: I may have said she stole a wallet but I never said it was my wallet.

    I never said she stole my WALLET: I may have said she stole something of mine but it wasnt my wallet.


    So as you can see depending on what word one would stress it would change the entire structure of the sentence. I love when detractors of our Glorious Lord and Savior use this a proof text against His Divinity, because the fact is, when understood correctly Jesus is literally telling the man He is God. The text you are using to reject His Divinity actually establishes it!

    Matt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

    You erroneously believe that the ME in the above clause should be accentuated, thus trying to make Jesus question why the man is calling Him Good, but the correct interpretation is to accentuate the GOOD, which changes the entire understanding and dynamic of the text and thus marries it in agreement with all the other clear text that show Jesus is God, you know like the Word is God, and the Word was made Flesh.

    So when you accentuate the GOOD, the sentence now reads, in other words, Rich man, think about why you are calling me Good, when you call me Good you are calling me God! Jesus didnt rebuke the man for calling him Good instead He put the onus upon the Rich man to recognize to whom it is He is speaking. This also sets the stage for the coming dialogue, in which the Rich man literally asks how He can be saved. The weight of Jesus words are now amplified because He just told the man, you better listen to what I have to tell you because I am God. Your interpretation has Jesus rejecting His own authority to tell others how they can be saved.

    Actually no the correct transliteration is:

    29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
    30 I and my Father are one.

    Your mistranslation makes no sense at all to the next verse, why are the Jews taking up stones to kill Him?

    31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
    32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
    33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

    If Jesus said what the man that butchered the Word of God made Him say in your quote, the Jews wouldnt have taken up stones to kill Him and they definitely wouldnt have said plainly that Jesus was making Himself God. I already showed you the correct interpretation of the next verses as well, that Jesus quotes Ps 82 to show them why He has the right to call Himself the Son of God and reaffirms His Divinity, because He is at one with the head of the Divine Council which is of course God.

    The correct understanding of this is that Jesus is speaking of current positional ranking, Jesus stepped out of Heaven and chose to take on the Flesh in order to Die for the Sins of Humanity. No Angel is worthy to be the Savior of the World! Only God is, period!

    Is 43:11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

    Hosea 13:4 Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

    Is 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
    22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

    Your false doctrine teaches us to look to an Angel, a created being who is NOT God, for Salvation. However the Word of God is absolutely clear, that ONLY God and God Alone, nothing created, no Angel, no mere man, can possibly be the Savior, ONLY God Himself, by Himself is the Savior. In John 14:28 Jesus is referring not to substance of who is Greater, but current position, for Jesus limited Himself by becoming Flesh and came into the World, thus at that moment He was positional lower than the Father in Heaven. However what does Jesus say, even in the surrounding verses of the next proof text you give?

    I ascend unto my Father

    Where exactly did Christ ascend to and exactly where is Christ right now in comparison to the Father?

    Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
    56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

    Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

    Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

    Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

    Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

    There are many more but you get the idea, Jesus is on the Right Hand of God, do you understand what that term means? It means that Jesus is EQUAL to God, look at the story of Joseph, he was made to be at the right hand of Pharaoh, and he was literally EQUAL in power to him. God isnt going to let a created being take that Title from Him, send a created being to be Savior when He has declared that He alone is Savior.

    Now where is Jesus Throne?

    Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

    Jesus is literally sitting on the Throne of God!! Do you think God would have let a created being, become Savior, when He specifically said He wouldnt then let that created being literally sit on His Throne? Never, that is blasphemy and throws the entire Bible into contradiction!!

    God Himself left Heaven, took on Flesh and Redeemed Humanity back to Himself, only God could do such a thing, no created being could possible be able to live up to such a task!!! And now because of God Himself redeeming Man back to Himself, those who are Born Again (which I suggest you get Born Again) will also be with Christ on the Throne in judgement of Michael!!!

    1 Corth 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
    3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

    With this verse in mind, and your ideology which is false, would you like to tell me that we are going to be judging Jesus Himself? Because we who are Born Again WILL judge Michael and all the Angels. If you insisting on believing Jesus is Michael then you are literally telling everyone that you will be superior to Him and that you will Judge Jesus Christ, wooo, I wouldnt dare think to put myself in that position, I hope you recognize what your false doctrine is making you do...

    Nope blasphemy, Jesus literally say He is the great I AM!!!

    John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    Also note the Jews try and kill Him here too, why? Because they know EXACTLY what Jesus is saying, and that is that He is declaring over and over that HE IS GOD!!

    You clearly have no understanding of the Bible, Jesus never said Church people are the blind leading the blind, do you not realize Jesus came and gave His life FOR THE CHURCH!!!

    Matt 15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,

    12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
    13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
    14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.


    Jesus is speaking of the Pharisees here NOT the Church, I hope you realize the more you make statements in defense of your False Doctrine the more obvious it has and will continue to be that you have no understanding of the Word of God. You need to be Born Again and led by the Holy Spirit to see the Kingdom and understand the Word of God, brother...

    John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    1 Cor 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
    13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
    14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


    No trying to state Jesus is a created being, an Angel throws the Bible into disarray, I would love to see what you say to the proof texts I have shown that prove Jesus can not possibly be an Angel and that Jesus is God. Please show me how the Word is God, the Word was made Flesh, doesnt mean God came in the Flesh. Or how we know Michael was afraid to rebuke Satan, but Jesus rebukes him and then calls Him a liar!! Or how God says only He ALONE is Savior, but then you say no a created being is Savior. Or how about this, why didnt Jesus accuse Thomas of Blasphemy here?

    John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
    29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.


    No wiggling out of that Thomas declares plainly that Jesus is his God!!

    So please address the proof texts I have provided that say Jesus is above Angels and that to NO Angels have the world to come been put under subjection. Please show me how we can marry these text with your doctrine, I have shown how each of your proof text do not deny the Divinity of Jesus and in fact most of the actually help to establish this fact. Please I ask, for you to respond accordingly and show how each of these text I have provided (and there are so many more) not only do not reject the notion that Jesus is Michael but also show how most of them prove Jesus is Michael.

    Again you have zero understanding of this whatsoever, please quote me the verse that has Jesus forbidding His followers from going to Church. I mean if you simply read the Bible you see that Jesus CONSTANTLY was attending the Jewish equivalent of Church, the Temple. He was there ALL THE TIME. Shouldnt we follow Jesus and also make sure to be with those who are Born Again to worship God together?

    And since you make this declaration then please explain this verse that outright rejects your false doctrine concerning Church:

    Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
    25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.


    The Church isnt a building, nor is it an Institution, it is a body of believers who gather in a community to worship God together and support one another, to love each other and keep each other accountable for the purpose of overcoming Sin and growing closer in a relationship with Christ. I hope one day you are Born Again and gather with others who are Born Again and have a community that loves you and supports you and holds you accountable and helps you grow in Christ!!! I love my Church and am thankful to Christ that He brought me to the one He did!! I cant wait to go tonight so I can worship Him and love on my fellow brothers and sisters and receive love and hear the message the Preacher is going to preach that will hold me accountable and if I accept it as it is to be accepted then overcome Sin and grow my relationship with Christ. I do hope one day you can have the same thing, but first and foremost you must be Born Again...
     
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    Daciple,

    You have to believe ALL of that, in order to try and "prove" that what Christ said is not actually really what it says Christ said.

    Wow.

    Next thing, you will probably try to explain and somehow "prove" that these words of Christ do not actually mean what they (very plainly) say, either.

    Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven IS perfect.
    6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen by them: otherwise ye have NO reward from your Father which is in heaven.
    6:2 Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do NOT sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites DO in the churches and in the streets, that they may have glory from MEN. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
    6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
     
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    The same is it should be for everyone. Believe and obey Christ.
     
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    Faith + Work = Salvation?
     
  16. JoChris

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    Ever heard of archeology? https://www.allaboutarchaeology.org/seven-churches-in-revelation.htm

    7 literal, historical churches at the time of apostle John's writing the Book of Revelation.
    Every Christian and therefore church should learn from what was said to each individual church by Jesus.

    The Nicolaitans were a GROUP of people. It is plainly obvious to people not deceived by your favourite writer.

    Believe the Gospel of the bible. Don't be like the Galatians. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians+3&version=KJV
     
  17. Forever Light

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    The word "God" as it is used in the KJV (and other bibles) at times can mean "Judge".

    John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
    5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

    (Therefore, it says Christ will be your Judge at the End.)

    It is important to be careful not to misunderstand the meaning of the word God, as it depends on the context.

    Exodus 7:1 And the "I AM" said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.

    The way it has been explained to you in the posts above, removes all need to have to do any of the things you wrote (which you did not learn from reading the Bible on your own - because it is church doctrine not what the Bible says on its own) in order for it to make sense.

    Read what John wrote (and continue on until 20:30):
    John 20:27 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
    20:28 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.
    20:29 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
    20:30 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have Life through his name.

    If the meaning of this one single verse (from amongst all the others) was to declare that Jesus is God, then why did John not confirm it, and say it here, while he would have had the perfect opportunity to do so? Why instead "revert" right away to calling Christ the Son of God, and not just call him God?

    Instead, John, who spent all this time with Jesus, and was with Jesus when this happened, wrote TWICE that "no man hath seen God AT ANY TIME"

    If Jesus was God, don't you think that John then saying this would have been counted as being extremely disrespectful towards Jesus, to say the least?

    John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only incarnated Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [Him].

    1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and His love is perfected in us.

    NO MAN, including John. And he (John) said it TWICE to make sure there could be no doubt.

    Which also confirms what was previously written about God being Love and seeing The Father (LOVE) in Christ, earlier.

    NO WHERE does it say "Jesus is God" in the Bible - ANYWHERE.
    Jesus said all the other things He also said, in order to make sure that no-one would make that mistake, yet people still do it.

    Jesus even prayed to God and called Him greater, etc.

    How blind can people be?

    The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
    In this case, it is a certainty.
     
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    2 Peter 1:19 We have also the more sure word of Prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye TAKE HEED, as unto a Light that shineth in a dark place, until the Day dawn, and the Morning Star arise in your hearts:

    They may have been a group of people at that particular time. It does not change the fact however, that Christ hates the deeds of the followers of Santa Claus.

    In Europe, for instance, there is a different "Santa" (like in The Netherlands) where they call him Sinterklaas (St. Nicholas) but he still has the same red suit etc.

    But, you shouldn't even need prophecy to tell you that Santa and XMAS are evil. You just need to be able to open your eyes and think about it.
     
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    Please show the verse/s where Jesus tells followers not to go to church EVER.
    There is a massive difference between not praying publically to gain admiration of other people and directing people not to attend public places of worship to honour God.
     

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