Who do Muslims really worship?

[TempestOfTempo]

As Rumi said, Muslims are wasting their time with the Kaaba and other things.
David Icke, British Son Of God? lol

Im not a Rumi fan/am not very familiar with his work and even I can surmise that your interpretation of that poem is incorrect. You should either engage in more genuine research or find better sources.

 

[Maldarker]

There are many modern "Muslims" who do essentially worship Muhammed, and who do elevate hadeeth over Quran. Some are on these very boards. They do so in a heretical spirit as those actions are both clearly outside of authentic Islamic theological doctrine. The rest of what you posted is also outside of Islam.

I noticed that at a muslim wedding recent was kind of taken aback by it. lots of praise to the prophet but not to allah just thought it was part of the wedding rites but was wondering this clears it up Thanks.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

The first video was just an introduction to Saturn. According to the images of the planet Saturn, there is a shape of an haxagone in the pole . If you check a cube by profile, you will see an hexagon ...
If you unfold a cube , you will see a cross.
The cube, the hexagon and the cross are all symbols of Saturn.

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Hubal is one of the main pre-Islamic divinities who was mainly worshiped in Mecca.

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In the Middle East he was a male lunar god associated with the Semitic god Baal, a syncretism of Saturn, as we have already seen. In fact Hubal originated as "Hu-Baal".


A large statue was in the Kaaba, his center of worship before the religious reform instituted by Mohammed in the year 630, who destroyed it along with those of the other 360 idols present there.


From Muhammad, the god of Islam became Allah, who is none other than B-ALA, BAAL.

Of the "divine" presence in that holy place, it attests that the ratio between the distance between Mecca > north pole and between Mecca > south pole is exactly 1.618, that is, the number phi, the golden ratio.

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The characteristic crescent of Islam comes from the lunar god of Hubal or Hu-Baal (Baal-Saturn) who would later be Allah and also from his brother Nannar-Sin, both of the Sumerian Anunnaki lineage represented by the Moon and birds, mainly eagles.

The Kaaba is a cube-shaped stone building, covered by a black cloth, which is in the center of the Great Mosque of Mecca, the holy place of pilgrimage for Muslims.



The millions of pilgrims who come to the holy city each year circle around it seven times, crowded together and in unison, creating a figure that evokes Saturn and his rings.


Pilgrims must circle this black cube of Saturn (the Kaaba) seven times, thus mimicking Saturn's rings and creating a powerful magnetic field.


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In the eastern corner of the Kaaba, there is a half-height silver structure with a very explicit vagina shape.



Inside is the Black Stone, a Muslim relic (a gift from the Archangel Gabriel to Abraham), which the pilgrims try to kiss after going through the seven laps of the ritual.


It is a betyl or sacred stone, symbol of the archetype of the sacred mountain.



Like most of the Betilos, it comes from a meteorite and is revered as a symbol of the gods, that is, the stone is not worshiped but rather the divinity it houses.

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The large vagina that Muslims try to kiss on their pilgrimage also evokes the quintessential symbol of darkness:

"the all-seeing eye", the "Eye of Horus"

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So, the black stones is actually an meteorite... it's interesting this analogy .. cause a meteorite is actually an object from the exterior that get inside something, in this case, inside to another planet.
Is this meteorite related with SATURN? I remember this scene from planet of the apes :

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the monkey that discovers that the bone can be a tool is the explanation of how the Anunnaki - the monolith - offered the technology to the human being, which allowed him a great evolutionary leap.

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When the monkey increases its aggressiveness and turns it into a weapon (the death of another animal is interspersed) it represents the other great inheritance that we have received from that dark "intelligence" which is called the 'OO - Origin of Darkness' in the planet.



I'm talking about war, the worst gift anyone can receive.


The story continues with the discovery of the monolith on the Moon which, once unearthed, begins to emit a signal directed at Jupiter.



It is important to know that in the book on which the film is based ("The Sentinel" by Arthur C. Clarke), the mission is actually to Iapetus one of Saturn's moons, but it was changed to Jupiter in Kubrick's films by the difficulty of reproducing their rings.

My conclusion so far is that a relation between Saturn , the cube, the meteorite and Saturn is suspicious... I don't have the final truth, but it's very suspicious.... We can joint all the part toguether and we may find that David Icke could be in the right track, at least in this subject ( not everything). Is saturn sending a signal to create our 3d world? or maybe sending some agresive signal to our world like the film planet of the apes? do we have predators? is our low energy food for archons? is Saturn acting like a firewall to keep us far away from our soul?
is this world is a fake reality , what is the true reality?

In my personal experience, one night I was trying to connect with the angel Gabriel... the first thing I saw it was a serpent...acting literaly as a firewall between this dimension and another superior dimension. Is this the famous Ouroboros that David Icke mentionated in the first video?
is the serpent in custody of our soul ? or our soul is a prisionner of the serpent/saturn?

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Here is another video of David Icke explaining a litle more about the Kaaba.

The Crescent Moon as an "Islamic" symbol picked up steam under the Turkish Ottoman empire. It appears to have had some limited, regional pagan meaning beforehand. The Ottoman empire is notorious for its blasphemous and heretical reign, resulting in the disintegration of the Caliphate position and subsequently, the division and dissolution of the worldwide "Ummah" so its no surprise that they would compromise Muslims with such an act.

As far as the Saudi's introducing weirdo, outside of Islam artifacts and ritual phenomenon... ok? And what else is new? They have been corrupt for so long and the born-and-bred Muslim world just accepts it... they do nothing to stand for themselves or confront the corrupt Saudi leadership... so they get what they earn. If they wont take a stand for the faith of Islam itself, its doubtful they are prepared to stand for much else, aint it?

Anyone willing to look can see the wretched state of Muslims as a people these days, thats obvious. But making your "conclusions" on Islam as a religion based on Icke's carny barking or a Stanley Kubrick movie and them presenting them to the public... lets just say you aint making a very compelling case for your perspective.

Its interesting though... the "Muslim" pedo-agenda pushers here who continue to confront me for "attacking Muslims and never sticking up for Islam" are absent to be found now. Whenever there is an opportunity to defend their pedo-agenda or to confront/complain regarding Christian and Jewish peoples, they are there with bells on. But when its time to discuss Islam with people such as yourselves who are stating your opinions? They are nowhere to be found. I guess that speaks plenty regarding their priorities...

 

[TempestOfTempo]

I noticed that at a muslim wedding recent was kind of taken aback by it. lots of praise to the prophet but not to allah just thought it was part of the wedding rites but was wondering this clears it up Thanks.

That and they get groups of "sisters" to engage in "traditional dancing" a.k.a. twerking and gyrating on the floor on all fours in hijabs and burkas while the men sing and rev themselves up to the latest "Muslim" hits being covered by Uncle So-and-So's Magical Mystery Traveling Tabla Band at wedding celebrations as well... these are a lost people.

 

[Mohammed_123]

The Crescent Moon as an "Islamic" symbol picked up steam under the Turkish Ottman empire. It appears to have had some limited, regional pagan meaning beforehand. The Ottaman empire is notorious for its blasphemous and heretical reign, resulting in the disintegration of the Caliphate position and subsequently, the division and dissolution of the worldwide "Ummah" so its no surprise that they would compromise Muslims with such an act.

As far as the Saudi's introducing weirdo, outside of Islam artifacts and ritual phenomenon... ok? And what else is new? They have been corrupt for so long and the born-and-bred Muslim world just accepts it... they do nothing to stand for themselves or confront the corrupt Saudi leadership... so they get what they earn. If they wont take a stand for the faith of Islam itself, its doubtful they are prepared to stand for much else, aint it?

Anyone willing to look can see the wretched state of Muslims as a people these days, thats obvious. But making your "conclusions" on Islam as a religion based on Icke's carny barking or a Stanley Kubrick movie and them presenting them to the public... lets just say you aint making a very compelling case for your perspective.

Its interesting though... the "Muslim" pedo-agenda pushers here who continue to confront me for "attacking Muslims and never sticking up for Islam" are absent to be found now. Whenever there is an opportunity to defend their pedo-agenda or to confront/complain regarding Christian and Jewish peoples, they are there with bells on. But when its time to discuss Islam with people such as yourselves who are stating your opinions? They are nowhere to be found. I guess that speaks plenty regarding their priorities...

the crescent moon is in fact horns of a bull

 

[TempestOfTempo]

the crescent moon is in fact horns of a bull

Could be, but whatever its original, pagan origin... it was outside of traditional Islam. Weak, compromised "leaders/scholars" have allowed its current incarnation as some sort of supposed symbol for Muslims to accept and rally around. We aint even supposed to have drawings/depictions of the natural world unless its for scientific purposes... so accepting an artistic rendering of a crescent moon (or a bulls horns for that matter) is out of the question, Islamically speaking.

 

[Sam]

It is true. They also believe in the distorted Quran and hadiths.
Proof for Quran:

The reason the Quran is referred to as ‘That Book’ in verse 2 of Soorah Al-Baqarah

Explore the significance of the Quran as That Book in Soorah AlBaqarah 2:23, which describes it as a guide for the conscious believers. This discussion addresses common questions about the choice of the demonstrative pronoun that over this, the implications of guidance for those with and without...

www.islamweb.net

Proof for hadiths:
"Say, O Prophet, I am only a man like you"
Quran 18:110

To whom did the Prophet say this? Who were the Prophet's audience? Why do stupid people today (Cows) think that they have been addressed by the Prophet and are like him?

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Muhammed received that command, it was not his command to issue. He was commanded to inform people that he was not God and that only God was worthy of religious, devotional worship.

He proclaimed this to those who followed him and really, whoever would listen to his message at the time. As for what people individually or collectively believe, I dont hold any responsibility for their beliefs or actions. I try to do what I can in my daily life to help others and I try to confront and counter problematic Muslim behavior here, such as exposing their ped-agenda based on lies. Neither you or I are responsible for others (of any faith or walk of lifes) actions or beliefs.

 

[chaco99]

Anyone willing to look can see the wretched state of Muslims as a people these days, thats obvious. But making your "conclusions" on Islam as a religion based on Icke's carny barking or a Stanley Kubrick movie and them presenting them to the public... lets just say you aint making a very compelling case for your perspective.

Well , you just pointed that you don't like a person, and just turned down a theory without any logical explanation.
If you don't like David Icke is okay. The photo of Saturn with the hexagon is from NASA. The sound of Saturn is in the first video that I shared.
The image of the eye of horus with the meteorite from the Kaaba, , you can find it in wikipedia or all the internet.

You may deny the relation between Kaaba and saturn at the beginning ... but you can't deny the relation between Kaaba and the eye of horus with the black meteorite. And if you know the myth of the eye of horus very well.. at the end, you will found the connection between the eye of horus and saturn.

Regarding the movie of Stanley Kubrick , well it's base on a book...The Sentinel" by Arthur C. Clarke , and yeah , it's not a great argument, but at least it's a curious note.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Its not that I dont like Icke, I have never met him. But he issues a lot of opinions as fact which dont hold up to scrutiny.

What I dont deny is that the Saudi ruling family and their masters/enablers/underlings are fully corrupt. Their innovations regarding Islamic practice have been widely discussed and exposed. You wont find an argument from me that they have compromised pretty much everything they can without starting a full on, pan-Islamic revolt... all in order to compromise Muslims faith in one Creator and compromise worship of that Creator via Islamic monotheism.

 

[Sam]

I'm agree that David Icke is a litle suspicious... and the theory about reptilians is not clear.. But ,related to Saturn , he have a good point of start.

Don't waste your time on him, Kaaba, Saturn...

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[Mohammed_123]

Don't waste your time on him, Kaaba, Saturn...

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Nothing wrong with David Ickes thinking...it all makes sense....

he stated many truths...thats why the system dont like him and is banning him from all platforms,,,

 

[Mohammed_123]

My op said we worship the Egyptian gods..i still stand by this..

 

[Mohammed_123]

My op said we worship the Egyptian gods..i still stand by this..

or a magician djedi called sami - also from ancient Egypt

 

[Mohammed_123]

can someone tell me the correct meaning for the word SOWEN?

 

[Mohammed_123]

can someone tell me the correct meaning for the word SOWEN?

sowen - Wiktionary

en.wiktionary.org

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[Mohammed_123]

sowen - Wiktionary

en.wiktionary.org

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Samhain (a Gaelic word pronounced “sow-win)

 

[Mohammed_123]

Samhain (a Gaelic word pronounced “sow-win)

Is Samhain a demon?


Samhain, also known as the origin of Halloween, was a powerful and special demon of Hell and was one of the 66 Seals. He could only rise when summoned by two powerful witches through three blood sacrifices over three days, with the last sacrifice day on the final harvest, Halloween.

 

[Sam]

Nothing wrong with David Ickes thinking...it all makes sense....

he stated many truths...thats why the system dont like him and is banning him from all platforms,,,

I showed you the real Son of Man.

"The concept of the Mahdi is a central tenet of Shi'a theology, but many Sunni Muslims also believe in the coming of a Mahdi, or rightly guided one, at the end of time to spread justice and peace. He will also be called Muhammad and be a descendant of the Prophet in the line of his daughter Fatima (Ali's wife). The idea has been popular with grassroots Muslims due to the preaching of several Sufi or mystical trends in Islam."

 

[TempestOfTempo]

I showed you the real Son of Man.

"The concept of the Mahdi is a central tenet of Shi'a theology, but many Sunni Muslims also believe in the coming of a Mahdi, or rightly guided one, at the end of time to spread justice and peace. He will also be called Muhammad and be a descendant of the Prophet in the line of his daughter Fatima (Ali's wife). The idea has been popular with grassroots Muslims due to the preaching of several Sufi or mystical trends in Islam."

You did? David Icke?