What is sin according to the Bible?

[Haich]

@phipps
Also there is no reason for me to respond to your other posts because you simply won’t change your combative style of engaging. You have intention of wanting to understand or learn or alter your position, despite not being clued up on quite a few things.

Post #72 sums up why you rub me the wrong way. ‘My representation of Islam is correct whether you agree with it or not. I don't want to know anything more about it either. What I know is enough.’

Like I’ve said, I don’t care about your stance on Islam. I care that you lie and misrepresent it and come to conclusions that I’ve debunked in the Bible V Quran thread. It’s wholly deceitful to still hold the wrong views and positions when corrected and post those wrong stances. I think there are gaps in your belief and you’re looking for gaps in Islam to try and make yourself feel better.

I’ll try my best to avoid interacting with your threads/posts as we clearly won’t see eye to eye on anything.

Peace be upon you, may God open your heart and lift the blindness it contain.

 

[A Freeman]

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.

Exodus 20:3-7
20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee ANY graven image, or ANY likeness [of ANY thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth [neither shalt thou possess them if others make them]:
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the "I AM" thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate [or disobey] Me;
20:6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love [and obey] Me, and KEEP My Commandments.
20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the "I AM" thy God in vain (use it when not talking to Him, or about Him); for the "I AM" will not hold [him] guiltless that taketh His name in vain [and thus wasteth His time or insulteth Him].

Deuteronomy 6:4-5
6:4 Hear, O Israel: The "I AM" our God [is] one "I AM":
6:5 And thou shalt love the "I AM" thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Mark 12:29-31
12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength and serve Him ONLY: this [is] the first COMMANDment.
12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other COMMANDment greater than these.

Sura 2:255. The "I AM" - (YHWH) (Allah). There is no god but He,- the Living, the Self-Existing - (YHWH in Hebrew - "I AM" in English), Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on Earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His Knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the Earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is The Most High, The Supreme (in Glory).

There is no "trinity"/3=1 god (found nowhere in the Bible, by name nor by inference). The God and Father of Christ is THE ONE TRUE GOD according to the God's Holy Word/Scripture.

Anyone who is still worshiping the pagan 3=1 god, aka the "trinity" doesn't know The ONE True God nor Christ, whom God sent, and thus is still breaking the First and Most Important COMMANDment in the Bible. And anyone who is still breaking the First and Most Important COMMANDment in the Bible will find themselves in The Fire on Judgment Day, as God has warned us through ALL of His Prophets, and finally through His FIRST-CREATED Son.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.

 

[A Freeman]

Making an alleged partner with God out of anyone or anything (including the pagan 3=1 deity) is not only breaking the First and Most Important COMMANDment in the Bible, but is blaspheming the Holy Spirit OF God.

Deuteronomy 32:35
32:35 To Me [belongeth] vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in [due] time: for the day of their calamity [is] at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
32:36 For the "I AM" shall judge His people (Isaiah chapter 3:12 to 4:6; & ch. 42), and repent Himself for His servants, when He seeth that [their] power is gone, and [there is] none shut up, or left.
32:37 And He shall say, Where [are] their gods ("trinity", etc.), [their] rock (e.g. Peter/Cephas) in whom they trusted,
32:38 Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, [and] drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, [and] be your protection.
32:39 See now that I, [even] I, [am] He, and [there is] no god with Me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither [is there any] that can deliver out of My hand.
32:40 For I lift up My hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
32:41 If I whet the lightning of my sword, and Mine hand take hold on Judgment; I will render vengeance to Mine enemies, and will reward them that hate Me [or disobey Me].
32:42 I will make Mine arrows drunk with blood, and My sword shall devour flesh; [and that] with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, [with] His people: for He will avenge the blood of His servants, and will render vengeance to His adversaries, and will be merciful unto His land, [and] to His people.

Sura 4:171. O People of The Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of God aught but the Truth. Jesus the (human) son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of God; and His Word (John 1:14), which He bestowed on Mary's (human) son (Sura 2:87; 2:253; 5:113); was a spirit-Being (Christ) proceeding from Him (making the human+Being called Jesus+Christ): so believe God and His Apostles. Say NOT "Trinity": DESIST: it will be better for you: for "I AM" is one God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a human son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on Earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.

 

[A Freeman]

Matthew 12:31-32
12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men.
12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall NOT be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

Mark 3:28-29
3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath NEVER forgiveness, but is in danger of Eternal Damnation:

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit it shall NOT be forgiven.

Thomas 7:8 Jesus said: Whoever blasphemes against the Father, it shall be forgiven him, and whoever blasphemes against the Son, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it shall NOT be forgiven him, either on Earth or in heaven.

Sura 4:116. God forgiveth NOT (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with God, hath strayed far, far away (from the Right).

Sura 31:13. Behold, the Wise-man said to his son by way of instruction: "O my son! Join NOT in your worship (others) with "I AM" (Allah): for false worship is indeed the highest wrong-doing."

Sura 34:22. Say: "Call upon other (gods) whom ye fancy, besides "I AM" (Allah): they have no power,- not the weight of an atom,- in the heavens or on Earth: no (sort of) share have they therein, nor is any of them a helper to "I AM".

Sura 46:4. Say: "Do ye see what it is ye invoke besides "I AM". Show me what it is they have created on Earth, or have they a share in the heavens? Bring me a Book (revealed) before this, or any remnant of knowledge (ye may have), if ye are telling the truth!

 

[A Freeman]

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me? (Eno. 89:20; Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Sura 4:157-8.)

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in The Temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my NEW name.

The Godhead explained in Scripture, where God is the head of Christ, and greater than ALL (John 10:29):

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

 

[phipps]

There is no point trying to converse with you.

There is literally no way to make you see that to each their own and that God Is The Only True Judge.

Farewell.

I agree. This is why Islam and Christianity are complete opposites and there is no middle ground. To each their own sounds satanic. It sounds like what Aleister Crowley the well known satanist said which is, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.” This means people should do what they like and find their own truth.

This is in direct contradiction to the God of the Bible who makes it clear He is, "the way, the truth, and the life." (John 14:6). We are to do what God commanded us and not do what suits us best according to our own choices. We are not to compromise with the Word of God at all.

When we rely on God, obey and submit to Him, He gives us the power to be able to live like that because we can't do it on our own. This is the truth of the true God of the Bible.

Goodbye.

 

[phipps]

 

[Flarepath]

Muslims don't believe Jesus was the Son of God, so they're 'dead men walking'..

 

[phipps]

I hope I can go back to the topic of this thread.

Sin is also called a curse in the Bible.

Daniel 9:11, "Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us ... because we have sinned against him."

Daniel is rather clear here. To transgress the law means the CURSE is poured upon us. We are then under the curse of the law when we break it!

Galatians 3:10 says, "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them."

And Galatians 3:13 says, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree."

The verses above make it quite clear that to be a true Christian means we are REDEEMED from that curse. Jesus was "made a curse for us" when He hung upon that cross. He did this so that we don't have to DIE as the Law demands for anyone that transgresses it. And yes, you have sinned, I have sinned, everyone has sinned, for "...it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one" (Romans 3:10).

Another passage explaining this biblical fact is Deuteronomy 11:26-28 which says, "Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God ... And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God."

So according to Deuteronomy, there is a Blessing if we keep the Law and a Curse is we break it.

The Old Testament theology was never changed by Christ. In fact, Christ plainly stated in Matthew 5:17, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." And how did He fulfil that law? By obeying it and never sinning and by dying on the cross for our sins because the wages of sin is death as Romans 6:23 tells us. Galatians 3:13 above just informed us that Jesus came to be that curse for us. He fulfilled the requirements of the law for us by dying for us. It's that simple. Sin demanded a death as payment for sin, Christ paid that price for us so we don't have to.

The curse is still there for everyone that chooses to sin, and the blessing is still there for everyone that chooses to obey. This is a LAW of God. How can such a thing change when this very God stated clearly in Malachi 3:6, "For I am the LORD, I change not."

If we sin, we are then under the curse simply because the Law can never be done away with. Jesus Himself said, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matthew 5:18). Common sense affords us the reality that Heaven and Earth have not yet passed away. We are standing on solid ground are we not? And the Heavens are still above our heads as well. So, according to Jesus Christ Himself, the Law is still valid. If we transgress that law, we sin. If we sin, there must be a death for that sin. This is the beauty of what He did on that cross for us.

Romans 5:8 says, "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

2 Corinthians 5:14 says, "...if one died for all, then were all dead:"

1 Thessalonians 5:9-10 says, "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him."

 

[phipps]

Some fail to understand and don't want to hear (because these are some of the hard truths to swallow from God's Word), that God's blessings and promises are conditional upon our faith and obedience. We lose our blessings when we depart from God and live in disobedience. We need to have faith and be obedient until the end.

 

[phipps]

Jesus saves us from the guilt of our sins and the punishment due to them:

Acts 3:19, “Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord."

1 John 1:9, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Romans 5:8-9, "…in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him."

The Bible encourages us to believe in Jesus as the divine Saviour who shed His blood on the cross for our sins … to repent of our sins … and through that faith and repentance to be forgiven and to experience deliverance from the wrath of God that was due to our (now forgiven) sins. So that is the first sense in which “Jesus…will save his people from their sins.”

 

[phipps]

Jesus will save us from the CONTINUAL COMMITTING of sins.

1 Peter 2:24, "who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness..."

Jesus’ blood was shed on the cross for us to provide a way for us to be saved from the guilt of our sins and from the divine wrath due to them. And that way is to “turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus” (Acts 20:21).

But there is a second very important sense of Jesus saving us “from” our sins. And that is the Bible’s insistent teaching that we should live a life of ongoing victory over sin. Jesus can and will save us: 1) from the guilt of and wrath due to our sins, and 2) from the continual practice of sinning. The Bible is quite clear on this second sense.

Galatians 2:20, "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

Spiritually speaking, when we come to Jesus Christ the Saviour in faith and repentance, we are said to be “crucified with Christ.” It’s as though we take our sins and deposit them forever at Christ’s cross, where He died to remedy our fatal sin problem. As Peter wrote (above), Jesus “bore our sins” on that cross. So when you came personally to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, consider yourself to have left all the guilt and shame of your sins at the cross. You are now “crucified with Christ” and have begun a new life as a forgiven son or daughter of God (2 Corinthians 6:18).

Romans 6:3-4, "Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

Verse 6, KJV, says that “our old man is crucified with Him,” as we saw in Galatians 2:20. Then in water baptism (vs 3-4), we bury that old man of sin, and we rise from that watery “grave” to live a new life.

What kind of new life? Well, remember that our sinful “old man” was crucified with Christ and buried with Him in baptism, then you arose (as He did) to new life. Verses 7-8, KJV, tell us: “…he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him.” Our sins were left at His cross … our old man of sin was buried in baptism … and our new man (with sin crucified and buried) arose to “live a new life.” What kind? — “freed from sin” (vs. 7).

Recall our opening verse: Jesus will save us “from” our sins. If we have been born again in Him, we are free from the guilt of sin and the wrath formerly due to your sins. But we are also saved and “freed from” the ongoing continuance in sin. Crucified with Christ and having buried your sinful old man in baptism, you rise to a new life “freed from sin.” Let’s strengthen our understanding of this from some more Scriptures.

John 5:14, "Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.”

In John’s 5th chapter Jesus healed a man who had been an invalid for 38 years! (vss. 5,8-9). Later Jesus found the healed man at the temple and said to him, “Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.” The cure for “something worse” than 38 years as an invalid was to stop sinning!

John 8:10-11, "When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”

The crowd wanted to stone the adulterous woman. But Jesus forgave her. But He did one more thing — He ordered the forgiven woman, “Go now and leave your life of sin.” Too many Christians are content just to rest in the fact that Jesus has forgiven their sins. It's great to receive forgiveness of the guilt of sins, but that's not all that He came to save us from. He also commands all who follow Him: “stop sinning” and “leave your life of sin.”

Remember, Jesus came to save us: 1) from the guilt of and the wrath due to our sins; but also to save us 2) from the ongoing committing of sins. Christian believers, thank God for our salvation from the eternal punishment that had been due to our sins. But go on to obey the Lord in that second “from” — that is, “stop sinning” and “leave your life of sin.” Jesus came to save us from our sins.

Sadly, many Christians respond to this type of message with, “Oh, that’s bondage and legalism!” That’s a grievous attitude, because that sad excuse for loose conduct is accusing Jesus of teaching bondage and legalism. It was Jesus who said, “Stop sinning” and “Leave your life of sin.” What right do we, His followers, have to try to soften His clear teachings on the pursuit of holy living? None!

1 John 3:9, "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

I am NOT saying that a Christian will never again sin, although that is certainly a commendable and biblical goal. The apostle Paul encouraged “perfecting holiness in the fear of God” (2 Corinthians 7:1). But it would be difficult to attain. The apostle John wrote: “My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world” (1 John 2:1-2).

Our proper and biblical attitude is to be aiming for perfection and determining to perfect holiness in the fear of God. If we should falter and sin, thankfully we have a forgiving Advocate with the Father in the person of our Lord and Saviour Jesus. John assures us that “if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins” (1 John 1:9).

But take the high road! Aim for perfect holiness. After all, as the apostle Paul wrote, as Christians we are “created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness” (Ephesians 4:24). How holy? “Like God”!

Philippians 2:15, "...that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world."

We believers are called by Jesus Himself to be “the light of the world” (Matthew 5:14). Paul reminds us that we live in the “midst of a crooked and perverse generation.” How are we to live among this lost world that so desperately needs a Saviour? The answer — “be blameless and innocent … above reproach … appear[ing] as lights in the world.”

That is what lost people need to see in us who know and love Jesus. They should see a blameless walk, above reproach, shining with a light [Christ in us] that they don’t have. Will cussing, carousing, boozing Christians offer hope to a lost world? No. But many lost souls will notice their friends, neighbours, and coworkers who shine like lights, blameless and innocent, in this dark and lost world.

Make the right choice, the wise choice. Aim for the high road. As a forgiven, born-again son or daughter of God, choose to obey Jesus’ command to “stop sinning” and to “leave your life of sin.” Determine to live your life in obedience to the apostles’ Spirit-inspired biblical counsel — that is, keep the old man of sin fully crucified and buried, aiming to be like God in true holiness (as Paul wrote) … decide daily to die to sins and live for righteousness (as Peter wrote) … choose not to continue to sin, not to deliberately, knowingly, and habitually practice sin (as John wrote).

Acts 3:26, "To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”

Turning from sin does not deprive us of a multitude of legitimate, joyful activities. Turning from sin is not drudgery. No! God sent His Son Jesus to this world to “BLESS us.” How? “By turning each of us back FROM our sinful ways.” God has given us blessings for time and for eternity through Jesus saving us from our sins. When we come to Jesus in faith and repentance, we are forgiven, we are delivered from the wrath due to sin, we are born again and become a son or daughter of God, and we are enabled to live a victorious life that pleases God. And finally we enter the immeasurable joys of heaven after our time on this earth is done.

In closing, remember the words of the angel’s announcement of the coming Saviour: “He [Jesus] will save His people from their sins.” (Matthew 1:21). If you will permit Him, Jesus will do that excellently in your lives.


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[elsbet's cat ^. .^]

@Haich,
Douglas Summers posted, "and no man can keep the Law perfectly. He never did away with the law, but we are not under the Law of Moses, but we are to uphold the law."

Infinityloop was right to say that God gave us the law and He expects us to obey it perfectly and that Jesus was more than clear on that point.

One of the things I disagree with with some Christians here about is the law and obedience to it. Some say that the law was done away with and others say that God does not expect us to obey the law fully.

You say that frequently, but I still haven't seen anyone make those claims on this site. Not even Douglas Summers, who made it a point to emphasize He never did away with the law and we are to uphold the law.

Perhaps you could show an example of a poster who did make those claims? Anonymously, of course; finger-pointing is not the goal. Thanks.
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Some claim that possessing a fallen nature is a sin.

... there is no law against inheriting a fallen nature it is not a sin...

I've honestly never heard anyone suggest we can commit the sin of inheriting Adam's fallen nature. It is clear we do inherit his fallen nature, but like any inherited trait, we have no say in the matter-- which you covered. I'm not disputing that part-- I agree... it is absurd. Rom. 5:12

There is another thought in the post (+the OP) concerning transgression of the law-- it ties into the above post, and it piqued my curiosity. I duplicated one of the quotes for coherence.

... there is no law against inheriting a fallen nature it is not a sin...

(per E. Waggoner: original source)
None are condemned for possessing a sinful fallen nature. Sentence of death, does not pass onto anyone with a sinful fallen nature, but rather onto one, who has sinned, (transgressed the law of God)...

Sin is defined by that which God wrote on the tables of stone. Our WHOLE duty is contained in the ten commandments. “...for where there is no law there is no transgression.” Romans 4:15.

There can be no sin where there is no law. “...for where there is no law there is no transgression.” Romans 4:15.

We do not need to be forgiven for having a fallen nature, the responsibility for that rests with Adam.

I'm sure you see the dilemma.
If possession of Adam’s fallen nature didn't condemn mankind to death, and no transgression could be counted against anyone because God had not yet given the law to Moses, then why did everyone from Adam to Moses die?
Rom. 5:14
How would the Flood be justified?
Or the destruction of Sodom + Gomorrah?
Or any other punitive measures, up to and including death, during this time?

As the law does not condemn having a fallen nature then Christ could have come in our fallen nature and lived a sinless life in it.

It doesn't add up.
Something is missing here-- there is a conflict in doctrine which appears to be irreconcilable, based on the info provided.

What say you?
. . .

 

[phipps]

As your conscience has been quickened by the Holy Spirit, you have seen something of the evil of sin, of its power, its guilt, its woe; and you look upon it with abhorrence. You feel that sin has separated you from God, that you are in bondage to the power of evil. The more you struggle to escape, the more you realize your helplessness. Your motives are impure; your heart is unclean. You see that your life has been filled with selfishness and sin. You long to be forgiven, to be cleansed, to be set free. Harmony with God, likeness to Him—what can you do to obtain it? – {SC 49.1}

It is peace that you need—Heaven’s forgiveness and peace and love in the soul. Money cannot buy it, intellect cannot procure it, wisdom cannot attain to it; you can never hope, by your own efforts, to secure it. But God offers it to you as a gift, “without money and without price” (Isaiah 55:1). It is yours if you will but reach out your hand and grasp it. The Lord says, “Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool” (Isaiah 1:18). “A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you” (Ezekiel 36:26). – {SC 49.2}

Christ is the source of every right impulse. He is the only one that can implant in the heart enmity against sin. Every desire for truth and purity, every conviction of our own sinfulness, is an evidence that His Spirit is moving upon our hearts.... "If My people, which are called by My name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land" (2 Chronicles 7:14).

 

[Douglas Summers]

1 John 3:4-11
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the Beginning (Alpha), that we should love one another.

There is only ONE LAW on this planet: God's Law, found in the first five books of the Bible, namely: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

Breaking God's Law (sin) is a CRIMINAL offense.

True Repentance is the determination to change one's sinful, evil ways and to STOP SINNING/BREAKING THE LAW/COMMITTING CRIMES.

Jesus paid the price for our PAST sins (Rom. 3:25), NOT to grant us the freedom to sin/break The Law with impunity, but to free us from our bondage to sin.

Sin is crime. Anyone who mistakenly believes we're going to be rewarded for being criminals, has completely missed the true Gospel message that Christ was sent to deliver.

Sin is the transgression of the Law! And no man can keep the LAW. The Ten commandments was never a Law of Salvation....It was and is a LAW of condemnation, To shut every mouth before God (that man could live by the Law and be perfect). The law was intended to condemn every man as guilty and send him to Christ our Savior. Paul, as an upright Jew before his conversion, thought he was perfect under the Law. But when he was saved, he found the Law had fooled him, and indeed condemned him. The purpose of the Law was to condemn sin in sinful man and send him to Christ.

 

[A Freeman]

Sin is the transgression of the Law!

And the wages of sin are death (Ezek. 18:4; Rom. 6:23).

And no man can keep the LAW.

No human can keep The Law, but every spiritual-Being can and must (John 3:3-7; Rom. 8:5-8)

The Ten commandments was never a Law of Salvation....It was and is a LAW of condemnation,

According to whom? Satan?

Matthew 5:17-19
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill [to fully preach The Law (The Torah) and fulfill the prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah].
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of heaven*: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of heaven.

*the lowest of the low in God's Eyes

To shut every mouth before God (that man could live by the Law and be perfect). The law was intended to condemn every man as guilty and send him to Christ our Savior.

As above please. You're attempting to teach the exact opposite of what Christ teaches, despite Christ warning us that whomever teaches others to break even the least of the Commandments is the lowest of the low (the least) in God's Eyes.

Paul, as an upright Jew before his conversion, thought he was perfect under the Law. But when he was saved, he found the Law had fooled him, and indeed condemned him. The purpose of the Law was to condemn sin in sinful man and send him to Christ.

Why then was Paul living by The Law, sharing with everyone that The Law/Commandments are holy, just and good, and establishing The Law everywhere he went?

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind (Being) I myself serve The Law of God; but with the flesh (human) the law of sin.

Romans 7:12-16
7:12 Wherefore The Law [is] holy, and the Commandment holy, and just, and good.
7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the Commandment might become exceeding sinful.
7:14 For we know that The Law is spiritual (for my spirit): but my "Self" is carnal, sold under sin.
7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto The Law that [it (The Law) is] good.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void The Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish The Law.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of The Law [are] just before God, but the DOERS of The Law (The Torah) shall be justified.

Perhaps your time would be better spent actually reading what the Scripture says about obeying and disobeying God, instead of what the spiritually blind guides of organized religion have wrongly taught you about it.

Keep it simple.

God wants us to obey Him and His Law. Satan wants us to disobey God (sin/break God's Law).

They aren't requests or even just good advice; they're COMMANDMENTS.

 

[phipps]

@Douglas Summers

Sin is the transgression of the Law! And no man can keep the LAW.

If sin is the transgression of the law, that means its a sin to transgress it. Isn't it still a sin to lie, to murder, to commit adultery, to bear false witness and dishonour one's parents, to have other gods, to not observe the Sabbath?

If you believe no man can keep the Law, then you don't believe God's Word, the Bible including Jesus' own Words tell us that we CAN keep the LAW. Nowhere does the Bible say we can't keep it. Here are a few verses from God's Word:

Matthew 19:17, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Hebrews 5:9, “He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.”

1 John 2:4, "He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

1 John 5:3, “This is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.”

There is more scripture in both Testaments of the Bible about how obedience is something we must do as saved Christians.

The Ten commandments was never a Law of Salvation....

Obeying the law does not save anyone. Any good works a Christian does, they do because they are saved. Because they have a relationship with God, obey and submit to Him and He gives them the strength to live righteous lives. So no one can obey the law in their own strength. It is a cooperation between the Christian and God through the working of the Holy Spirit. God has His part, and we have ours. Paul tells us that “it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure” (Philippians 2:13).

It was and is a LAW of condemnation, To shut every mouth before God (that man could live by the Law and be perfect).

Here is the verse that talks about the law of condemnation, "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death" (Romans 8:1-2). If you read up verse 8, Paul is basically saying that when we live according to the flesh (not given our lives to Christ) that the law is an instrument of sin and death. The law points out what sin is, like a mirror points dirt out on our face. If we don't accept Christ, submit and obey Him and walk according to the guidance of the Holy Spirit, then its impossible for that mind set on the flesh to submit to God’s law.

It is the rejection of God that the law becomes an instrument of sin and death because we are all going to be judged by God's law. Kind of like when we break the law in our countries, if we go to court we are judged by the law of our country. If we are found guilty we are condemned by the law and sentenced to what the judge thinks is the right punishment for that sin. Hell and eternal death will be the sentences of the guilty who broke God's law.

The law was intended to condemn every man as guilty and send him to Christ our Savior.

The law condemned us yes and Jesus paid the penalty for us but that does not mean we do not obey the law.

When we accept the gift of salvation that we don't deserve, we realise how sinful we are and that only Christ can cleanse us from that sin and guilt. We repent and confess our sins, we obey and submit to Christ which means we allow Him to have control in our lives. He then gives us the power to live a Christian life which obedience is part of, “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me” (Philippians 4:13).

Paul, as an upright Jew before his conversion, thought he was perfect under the Law. But when he was saved, he found the Law had fooled him, and indeed condemned him.

This is absolutely false and is not biblical. Remember Paul was a Pharisee who did not believe Jesus was Messiah. He persecuted Christians and was in the crowd when Stephen the deacon was stoned to death.

Paul's doctrine was false. His idea of the law before Christ met him on the Damascus road was twisted. Paul who is the most prolific writer of the New Testament makes it clear we have to obey the law and no one will be saved who wilfully sins (transgresses the law). Its Paul who wrote, "Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good" (Romans 7:12).

The purpose of the Law was to condemn sin in sinful man and send him to Christ.

One of the purposes of the law of God is to point out sin, which is condemnation yes, but that is not all is it?

The law also shows us what loving behaviour looks like (Romans 7:12). But if disregarded, they spell out our condemnation. However after we accept Jesus' penalty for our sins and are converted, Christ gives us the power to obey.

Another reason for the law is to protect us. Its like a parent who tells a child not to play in traffic to protect the child. Because the parent loves the child, they don't want them to be hurt. The violation of the law is sin, and sin often brings terrible consequences. So the law is there for our good and the good of others. When we live within its boundaries, we’ll be able to experience the life God intends for us.

I'll end with Jesus's own words, "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love" (John 15:10). What you're saying contradicts what Christ said and lived by. Plus He is our example is He not? If He did it so can we but not on our own. With Him as the driving force in our lives, we can absolutely obey.

Satan, in order to make God’s requests appear unreasonable, invented the falsehood that obedience is impossible and its sad that this is being taught in Christian churches.

 

[phipps]

Made Free From Sin.

The Bible says that we can be made free from sin:

"Being then MADE FREE FROM SIN, ye became the servants of righteousness" (Romans 6:18).

"But now being MADE FREE FROM SIN, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life" (Romans 6:22).

The Bible tells us why it is necessary to be made free from sin:

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 6:23).

The Bible tells us what sin is:

"...sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4).

The Bible tells us what it means to be free from sin:

"For sin shall not have dominion over you..." (Romans 6:14).

The Bible tells us we are not free to continue sinning:

"What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid" (Romans 6:15).

The Bible tells us that when we sin we are serving Satan, but when we obey God's 10 Commandments, we are serving God:

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?" (Romans 6:16).

The Bible tells us that we can stop sinning, stop serving Satan, and start serving God.

"But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you" (Romans 6:17).

The Bible tells us that servants of God are free from sin.

"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life" (Romans 6:22).

 

[phipps]

 

[phipps]