The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise

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Um, are you just going to ignore those verses giving evidence that his son is the king of Israel, and that God was talking about the Israelites in the verse you provided?
How could I ignore it when I said that first? How did I take Exodus 4:22 out of context when I said that God called Israel His son?

Please give me the verse where Jesus supposedly existed before he was born.
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Now the real God of Israel? He doesnt share His glory (according to Him)....

Isaiah 42 8
I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.

Jesus asks for glory he supposedly had with God in the beginning, yet God in the OT (where He doesnt mention ANYTHING about "Jesus") says He doesnt share His glory. You can do the math or not on that...
As for your second to last statement, it's already been clear that when Moses was talking to the Pharaoh, he was telling the Pharaoh what God wanted him to tell him, which is the Israelites belonging to him. Also, the whole situation in general is about the Pharaoh keeping the Israelites enslaved which is why God was commanding Moses to converse with him and what not. The only "Israel" in that verse are the Israelites,
Who else would I be talking about when I said "Israel" other than the Israelites? In fact, can you say that the Most High witnessed you read the whole bible? Because Im not sure how what Im saying is going over your head if you've actually put in time and effort into studying the bible...

But Jesus is also an Israelite. He's not called Israel though, but he is, as the verses provided have told you, the KING of Israel. JACOB is also called Israel, which is further proof that when Moses mentioned Israel, he was talking about them.

So I'm not supposed to be following the King of Israel? Yeah, I rather WOULD, for 2 reasons:

1. Because I sincerely love him, and proof of that would be me abiding by his laws and keeping my faith for eternity.
2. I really wouldn't want to be part of the 2/3 of Israelites that will die when Jesus returns.
Im not telling you what to do or not do. Im just explaining that Jesus and the NT have no connection with the OT. Just as the Quran has no connection to the NT. So theres no point bringing up Moses when he didnt say anything about a Jesus. He didnt acknowledge him. He didnt "love" him. He didnt bet on his coming or "return". And if you were around that time talking about "Jesus" you'd be put to death. All the proof we have of him worshiping/acknowledging is God and God alone. Thats what you SHOULD be doing but you're not when you include "Jesus" or "Yahawashi" in your walk with God. And what the NT says about that or anything has no bearing on whats in the OT unless you can establish God (in the OT)validating it first
 

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Those ideas of love and keeping commandments are ultimately secular and unable to save you if you detach them from belief or acknowledgment of the being who decreed such. Simply put if you dont believe in Allah you are damned and if you dont follow YHWH's laws you are damned.... That's why its bizarre you keep encouraging beliefs that condemn you...
Then why not follow them? you're encouraging the Lawlessness that Jesus spoke of.
 

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Then why not follow them? you're encouraging the Lawlessness that Jesus spoke of.
Do you keep Gods laws and do you believe you will go to heaven based off of what the Quaran and Judaism teach?
 
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Um, are you just going to ignore those verses giving evidence that his son is the king of Israel, and that God was talking about the Israelites in the verse you provided?
Well when I say that God said Israel is His son, dont you think Im talking about the Israelites?

Please give me the verse where Jesus supposedly existed before he was born.
John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Compared to what God who said He doesnt share His glory with another:

Isaiah 42:8
“I am the Lord; that is my name!
I will not give my glory to another
or my praise to idols.

As for your second to last statement, it's already been clear that when Moses was talking to the Pharaoh, he was telling the Pharaoh what God wanted him to tell him, which is the Israelites belonging to him. Also, the whole situation in general is about the Pharaoh keeping the Israelites enslaved which is why God was commanding Moses to converse with him and what not. The only "Israel" in that verse are the Israelites,
Yea and the only "Israel" I was referring to was the Israelites. While we're at another seemingly simple roadblock let me ask. Can you honestly say the Most High witnessed you read the whole bible?

But Jesus is also an Israelite. He's not called Israel though, but he is, as the verses provided have told you, the KING of Israel. JACOB is also called Israel, which is further proof that when Moses mentioned Israel, he was talking about them.

So I'm not supposed to be following the King of Israel? Yeah, I rather WOULD, for 2 reasons:

1. Because I sincerely love him, and proof of that would be me abiding by his laws and keeping my faith for eternity.
2. I really wouldn't want to be part of the 2/3 of Israelites that will die when Jesus returns.
It doesnt matter if Jesus is an Israelite or not. The place you hold him in your faith is not one your ancestors held him in. So you bring up Moses, but if you brought up Jesus and his importance in your faith to him, he would have probably put you to death for idol worship. Abraham would have been confused. Noah wouldnt have heard you. The point is that the NT is separate from the OT. What it says has NO BEARING on the OT...
 

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Those ideas of love and keeping commandments are ultimately secular and unable to save you if you detach them from belief or acknowledgment of the being who decreed such. Simply put if you dont believe in Allah you are damned and if you dont follow YHWH's laws you are damned.... That's why its bizarre you keep encouraging beliefs that condemn you...
Some passages you really need to write on your heart from the Torah and Qur'an are:

Deuteronomy 6:4-9
Deuteronomy 10:12-22
Deuteronomy 11:8-12
Deuteronomy 30:6
Deuteronomy 30:11-14
Qur'an 1:6-7
Quran 2:2-5, 2:25, 2:62, 2:81-82, 2:110, 2:138-141, 2:177, 2:214, 2:285
Quran 3:15-20, 3:56-58, 3:113-115, 3:113-136, 3:146-148, 3:172-175,
(It goes on and on and on and on and on throughout the rest of the Qur'an)

Try these



 

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How could I ignore it when I said that first? How did I take Exodus 4:22 out of context when I said that God called Israel His son?



John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Now the real God of Israel? He doesnt share His glory (according to Him)....

Isaiah 42 8
I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.

Jesus asks for glory he supposedly had with God in the beginning, yet God in the OT (where He doesnt mention ANYTHING about "Jesus") says He doesnt share His glory. You can do the math or not on that...


Who else would I be talking about when I said "Israel" other than the Israelites? In fact, can you say that the Most High witnessed you read the whole bible? Because Im not sure how what Im saying is going over your head if you've actually put in time and effort into studying the bible...


Im not telling you what to do or not do. Im just explaining that Jesus and the NT have no connection with the OT. Just as the Quran has no connection to the NT. So theres no point bringing up Moses when he didnt say anything about a Jesus. He didnt acknowledge him. He didnt "love" him. He didnt bet on his coming or "return". And if you were around that time talking about "Jesus" you'd be put to death. All the proof we have of him worshiping/acknowledging is God and God alone. Thats what you SHOULD be doing but you're not when you include "Jesus" or "Yahawashi" in your walk with God. And what the NT says about that or anything has no bearing on whats in the OT unless you can establish God (in the OT)validating it first
Do you just grab random verses that are close enough to establish your perspective without trying to understand the whole chapter first?

John 17 verse 1-5 "After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."

But of course God has to grant Jesus glory so that he can teach and correct people during his time on earth. The verse, "Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began," means that he too was also obviously chosen to save his people since the very beginning.

You know how God talks about his people being chosen since the beginning of the world? That's what Jesus is talking about. God being God obviously knows the future, and his people was always with him since the beginning as well. So him creating Jesus to die for their sake was always part of his plan, and he knew it since the beginning. How? Because he is God.

As for that verse you gave me about Isaiah, God is the only one with glory, but obviously he had to grant it to Jesus as well so he can save the Israelites. Yep, for the ISRAELITES SAKE, he granted his son glory to help us. God obviously also fills his people with his glory. His elect are filled with his glory, (THE HOLY SPIRIT) how else do you think they're able to teach and judge righteous judgment on one another? He would not give his glory to anyone else except his people and his son.

The ONLY differences between the NT and the OT is that in the OT we had to sacrifice animals and what not whenever we would sin, but God was so gracious enough to let his son die for us, now we're able to repent whenever we sin, and we also have grace due to living in Babylon meaning it's impossible to follow all the 613 laws.

Another difference is, the NT is a timeline starting from the time Jesus arrived to Revelation which are the times we are currently in. We are literally living in the NT as we speak. These are the only 3 differences. Everything else is pretty much connected. God mentioned what he would do in these times in the OT, well, I hope you're able to see that. In both the OT and NT, he mentions there will be signs of the times, I hope you can see that as well.

Moses isn't in the NT, he lived to be 120 years old in the OT.

Jesus wasn't only worshipping/praying to God, he was also teaching his disciples about the word of God. He was also a teacher. He's also the one that died for our sake, and said, "It is finished" just before he died, so why would I not acknowledge him? And again, during his time on earth, people called him the King of the Jews, which Jesus confirmed himself that he was. I believe in God the father, and Jesus the son.

See, people have different interpretations. Some think Jesus is God in the flesh, some think he isn't associated with the father. Just do Gods will and abide by his laws sincerely. Rejoice that Jesus died for you, and the fact God allowed it to happen for your sake.
 

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Some passages you really need to write on your heart from the Torah and Qur'an are:

Deuteronomy 6:4-9
Deuteronomy 10:12-22
Deuteronomy 11:8-12
Deuteronomy 30:6
Deuteronomy 30:11-14
Qur'an 1:6-7
Quran 2:2-5, 2:25, 2:62, 2:81-82, 2:110, 2:138-141, 2:177, 2:214, 2:285
Quran 3:15-20, 3:56-58, 3:113-115, 3:113-136, 3:146-148, 3:172-175,
(It goes on and on and on and on and on throughout the rest of the Qur'an)

Try these



Well you dont even believe in what the Quaran says otherwise youd be a Muslim and you dont keep Gods laws so what hope is there for you?
 

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Well when I say that God said Israel is His son, dont you think Im talking about the Israelites?



John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Compared to what God who said He doesnt share His glory with another:

Isaiah 42:8
“I am the Lord; that is my name!
I will not give my glory to another
or my praise to idols.



Yea and the only "Israel" I was referring to was the Israelites. While we're at another seemingly simple roadblock let me ask. Can you honestly say the Most High witnessed you read the whole bible?



It doesnt matter if Jesus is an Israelite or not. The place you hold him in your faith is not one your ancestors held him in. So you bring up Moses, but if you brought up Jesus and his importance in your faith to him, he would have probably put you to death for idol worship. Abraham would have been confused. Noah wouldnt have heard you. The point is that the NT is separate from the OT. What it says has NO BEARING on the OT...

IT DOES MATTER THAT JESUS IS AN ISRAELITE, HE IS ONE OF US! That means you deem him, the king of US, as nothing. That right there is deplorable. Now I'm not so sure if you're an Israelite or not, and if you are, you have more to learn.

Then you keep mentioning my ancestors, well God had Moses lead them out of Egypt. Moses told the Pharaoh to let his people go, but the Pharaoh said no, and the Pharaoh and whoever else was on his side was punished, and Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt. These did not reject God.

It's like you think since SOME of my ancestors rejected Jesus, that I am supposed to as well, the ones who rejected him are the ones that aren't saved, and I assure you, I ain't part of that group. That's why I said not all Israelites will be saved. Only 1/3 will.

UNDERSTAND THIS: Moses, Abraham, and Noah are part of the OLD TESTAMENT NOT THE NEW TESTAMENT so they are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT when we talk about the NEW TESTAMENT.
 
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Well you dont even believe in what the Quaran says otherwise youd be a Muslim and you dont keep Gods laws so what hope is there for you?
I've already told you: your soteriology has only shifted the goalposts to being about believing Jesus died for your sins.

So you are critiquing yourself. If I don't believe in Jesus than according to your belief system I'm still also destined for hell. So what good is any of this?
 

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With all due respect, even though you deserve little the way you continue to insult,
You've been told the truth, which is the ONLY thing that will set you free. If you(?) feel insulted by the truth exposing your obvious and errant human, egotistical perspective, then that should serve as a red flag to the real you (the spiritual-Being/Soul within), that you are seeing this matter upside down and backwards, through human eyes.

The Bible was written for spiritual-Beings, NOT for humans. A human is incapable of understanding the Bible, because it is as foreign to it as this world is to spiritual-Beings. If you were actually reading what's been shared with you for your own benefit with spiritual eyes, you would be thankful to Father for it rather than resentful.

the topic of religious syncretism is clearly not something you're familiar with.
Again, this is your ego (human "self") talking about something it knows absolutely NOTHING about. If it did, it would never use satanic nonsense like "religious syncretism" to try to elevate itself, which is nothing more than COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

Cognitive dissonance/"religious syncretism" is when someone erroneously believes they can hold two conflicting views in their mind at the same time, and somehow resolve those differences. With regard to the Bible, it also implies that God is the author of confusion, which is an obvious LIE (1 Cor. 14:33), as if one part of His Message allegedly contradicts another (as Satan's organized religions teach). The Bible simply refers to this state as "double-mindedness", which is exactly what it is.

James 1:8 A double minded man [is] UNSTABLE in ALL his ways.

If you want an explanation on the schizophrenic appearance of the God of Israel in the Old Testament, there are dedicated threads I can refer you to.
More double-mindedness. No wonder you're so confused. You promote God to be a schizophrenic 3=1 deity that talks to itself, and think you should indoctrinate others into your satanic, self-contradictory belief system rather than HUMBLY trust in Him (as Abraham did) and DO what He has COMMANDED us to do for our own benefit, because He KNOWS what is best for us.

No one needs to learn anything from a double-minded man, who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.

Regardless, the commandments you are promoting include the sacrifice of the firstborn. Selling it as "the perfect system of government" makes you look like an utter idiot.
According to your "self", who believes its own satanic, self-contradictory rhetoric instead of our loving and merciful Creator.

What is actually being shared and promoted is DAILY "self" sacrifice (Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Gal. 2:20, Sura 6:162), which is what The Law teaches.

Mark 12:29-31
12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord:
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength and serve Him ONLY: this [is] the first COMMANDment.
12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other COMMANDment greater than these.

You seem to mistakenly believe Father (God, our Creator, the "I AM") was vindictive in the Old Covenant, because your "self" has conned you into accepting that self-contradictory nonsense (believing a LIE is the Truth and that the Truth is a lie).

Humans look at the flood, or the orders regarding the annihilation of the Canaanites, or asking Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, as barbaric killings, ordered by an allegedly vindictive God, when the exact opposite is true.

We are human+Beings. A human is born on this Earth and will die on this Earth, and only understands its existence here on this Earth as "life". The spiritual-Being (Soul) on the other hand understands that it is only TEMPORARILY incarnating the human body it's inside of, having been intentionally placed there to learn the lessons it NEEDS to learn, so it can someday be released from this prison planet reform school and go home, to its REAL family.

During the times of Noah, because so many bought into the satanic lie that "we're only human after all", the world became FILLED with hatred and violence, and the reform school ceased to serve any useful purpose, as everyone was out for their own selfish, human (carnal) desires instead of learning from God and His Law to do His Will and serve the greater, common good in everything. Only Noah and his family trusted in God, and believed God when He warned them a flood was coming. Had all of those other people believed, they too would have built Arks.

After Noah warned everyone about the flood for 100 years, while building a boat the size of a small aircraft carrier in his backyard and being mocked for it, the flood waters eventually came and drowned all of the humans. The spirit-Beings inside those humans could then be sent back -- into bodies descended from Noah's sons -- giving them all the very best opportunity of becoming TRUE Israelites and being redeemed on the Last Day. It is Father (God) Who decides which spirit-Being is placed into which human, so it can learn exactly the lessons it NEEDS to learn, just as it's Father Who decides when the lessons have run their course and that spirit-Being (Soul) is to be taken from that human body it's temporarily incarnating.

The same happened to all of the Egyptian army that were drowned in the Red Sea while in pursuit of the Israelites. The spirit-Beings inside of those humans were sent back, to give them the best opportunity of coming to their senses and being redeemed. THAT is how patient, loving, merciful and long-suffering Father really is.

IF someone can see this TRUTH, which is only possible through SPIRITUAL eyes, then they can understand that Father was testing Abraham, to see if Abraham would choose Father above his miracle son Isaac. Abraham chose wisely, and when Father saw Abraham was going to carry through on His Command, Father stopped Abraham, and a ram was offered instead. And it is through the righteous deeds of Abraham that all of the nations of the world were blessed.

All of these lessons, including the lesson of reincarnation and karma/just desserts (Gal. 6:7), are taught in The Law that God gave us for our own benefit, to protect us from all of this evil. Evil that we have allowed to multiply because of our sinful, evil nature, so that these times are now just like the times of Noah, when hatred and violence FILLED the Earth.

If you can learn the humility to admit you are wrong (when you so obviously are), and turn back to Father and His Perfect Law of Liberty, there is hope that you too could become an Israelite (Champion of God). Should you, of your own free-will, choose to continue in your rebellion against Father and His Law, then you too will find yourself in The Fire on Judgment Day.

Please choose carefully. No one on this planet will be rewarded for being a habitual, unrepentant criminal (sinner/law-breaker), regardless of what Satan's priests ("the blind leading the blind") may promise.

Peace be upon you.
 

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I just want to let you guys know it is impossible to hold a conversation with both sides on the same page if you are an Israelite and whoever you're talking to is a heathen, or if you're a heathen and whoever you're talking to is an Israelite. When I say heathen, I'm talking about those destined to be destroyed when Christ returns. It's never going to work.
 

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I just want to let you guys know it is impossible to hold a conversation with both sides on the same page if you are an Israelite and whoever you're talking to is a heathen, or if you're a heathen and whoever you're talking to is an Israelite. When I say heathen, I'm talking about those destined to be destroyed when Christ returns. It's never going to work.
So, is Koncreep still your brother?
 
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I just want to let you guys know it is impossible to hold a conversation with both sides on the same page if you are an Israelite and whoever you're talking to is a heathen, or if you're a heathen and whoever you're talking to is an Israelite. When I say heathen, I'm talking about those destined to be destroyed when Christ returns. It's never going to work.
John 10:
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.


Leave your own thread, heathen.
 

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So, is Koncreep still your brother?
Maybe, maybe not. Just because one has to learn more about something doesn't mean that if they're wrong now, they'll continue to be wrong later. So with that being said, if Koncrete comes to the truth eventually, then yes, he'd be my brother. If he doesn't, and remains confused, and doesn't hunger for Gods word, then no.

Btw, it's not right to ask someone a question thinking whoever you're asking may be wrong, so you gleefully ask them on purpose. I, personally, see Koncrete learning more about Gods word, but if I am wrong, then so be it. I'll never know until Koncrete returns.
 

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God chose me, and I am making sure I teach as many people as possible about the truth because that is my job; to spread the gospel..

Jesus has already done that, and Christianity has become the biggest game on the park..:)

 

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SOME of my ancestors rejected Jesus..the ones who rejected him are the ones that aren't saved, and I assure you, I ain't part of that group. That's why I said not all Israelites will be saved. Only 1/3 will.

Depends what you mean by 'Israelites'.
If the 1/3 are christians and not jews, they'll be alright..:)
 

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A friend of yours @LittleLady ?

Alaska Airlines flight makes an emergency landing in Seattle after passenger threatens to 'kill everybody on this plane unless you accept Jesus was a black man'
 
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Do you just grab random verses that are close enough to establish your perspective without trying to understand the whole chapter first?

John 17 verse 1-5 "After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."

But of course God has to grant Jesus glory so that he can teach and correct people during his time on earth. The verse, "Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began," means that he too was also obviously chosen to save his people since the very beginning.

You know how God talks about his people being chosen since the beginning of the world? That's what Jesus is talking about. God being God obviously knows the future, and his people was always with him since the beginning as well. So him creating Jesus to die for their sake was always part of his plan, and he knew it since the beginning. How? Because he is God.
God said He doesnt share His glory while Jesus tells us that God shared His glory with him. You do the math or dont, I dont really care. Ezekiel says the rebels will be purged BEFORE entering the land so if thats the chance you wanna take, so be it. We're ONLY supposed to worship and acknowledge who the righteous of our ancestors did. They didnt know anything about a Jesus

As for that verse you gave me about Isaiah, God is the only one with glory, but obviously he had to grant it to Jesus as well so he can save the Israelites. Yep, for the ISRAELITES SAKE, he granted his son glory to help us. God obviously also fills his people with his glory. His elect are filled with his glory, (THE HOLY SPIRIT) how else do you think they're able to teach and judge righteous judgment on one another? He would not give his glory to anyone else except his people and his son.

The ONLY differences between the NT and the OT is that in the OT we had to sacrifice animals and what not whenever we would sin, but God was so gracious enough to let his son die for us, now we're able to repent whenever we sin, and we also have grace due to living in Babylon meaning it's impossible to follow all the 613 laws.

Another difference is, the NT is a timeline starting from the time Jesus arrived to Revelation which are the times we are currently in. We are literally living in the NT as we speak. These are the only 3 differences. Everything else is pretty much connected. God mentioned what he would do in these times in the OT, well, I hope you're able to see that. In both the OT and NT, he mentions there will be signs of the times, I hope you can see that as well.

Moses isn't in the NT, he lived to be 120 years old in the OT.

Jesus wasn't only worshipping/praying to God, he was also teaching his disciples about the word of God. He was also a teacher. He's also the one that died for our sake, and said, "It is finished" just before he died, so why would I not acknowledge him? And again, during his time on earth, people called him the King of the Jews, which Jesus confirmed himself that he was. I believe in God the father, and Jesus the son.

See, people have different interpretations. Some think Jesus is God in the flesh, some think he isn't associated with the father. Just do Gods will and abide by his laws sincerely. Rejoice that Jesus died for you, and the fact God allowed it to happen for your sake.
I'll ask again, can you say the Most High witnessed you read the whole bible? Because I can tell you havent from where Im at..
 
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IT DOES MATTER THAT JESUS IS AN ISRAELITE, HE IS ONE OF US! That means you deem him, the king of US, as nothing. That right there is deplorable. Now I'm not so sure if you're an Israelite or not, and if you are, you have more to learn.
Lol at that cursed thing being my king. My King is the Most High. I dont worship/follow/acknowledge the IDOL you do. But you'd have to read the bible to actually know what Im talking about. And I dont think you have...

Then you keep mentioning my ancestors, well God had Moses lead them out of Egypt. Moses told the Pharaoh to let his people go, but the Pharaoh said no, and the Pharaoh and whoever else was on his side was punished, and Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt. These did not reject God.

It's like you think since SOME of my ancestors rejected Jesus, that I am supposed to as well, the ones who rejected him are the ones that aren't saved, and I assure you, I ain't part of that group. That's why I said not all Israelites will be saved. Only 1/3 will.

UNDERSTAND THIS: Moses, Abraham, and Noah are part of the OLD TESTAMENT NOT THE NEW TESTAMENT so they are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT when we talk about the NEW TESTAMENT.
You'd have to prove the NT is from God in the first place but you cant do that. You just assume because Gentiles/Esau compiled the NT with the OT, that they go together. But when you READ IT FOR YOURSELF thats when you'll see the things Im saying. Disobeying the law is what put the Israelites in captivity. So how are you going to say three men in the law's behavior/beliefs are IRRELEVANT when it comes to how YOU should be BEHAVING/BELIEVING? You clearly havent read the bible for yourself but as they say around my way, I'll let you do you...
 
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