The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise

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Yahawashi is his Hebrew name which is the first language to ever be created by God himself. That's the only reason why I call him that. Are you not aware they originally speak Hebrew? We people in America just happened to be forced to learn English. That's not our original language.
Yea Im saying Jesus/Yahawashi whatever you want to call him is a false god and that Abraham only acknowledged/worshiped the Most High. He didnt worship, acknowledge, revere, know about etc.. Yahawashi.
 

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you're the main one getting offended. We're here just trying to point out how deluded you are. Listen, the Christians here are actually the one that love you and want to tell you the truth, unlike your "brothers and sisters" (of the devil) who kept on enabling you to believe a lie and drag you to hell with them. I will pray and ask the Holy Ghost to intervene and break these chains the devil had on you. Remember, God is not racist, your belief are.
I'm not offended. I've been calm the whole time, and then a bunch of offended people came, most of which didn't even read the entirety of my post which every time I mention that, people ignore, because they know they didn't read all of it meaning they can't be quick to judge me because that is unrighteous judgment.

My belief isn't racist, it's bloodline, not skin color. Are you mad God made the first humans ever dark skinned or something? Because we came from them, and it is what it is. I don't see a problem with it. How am I racist for explaining that God made the first 2 humans dark skinned meaning we came from them, and that his people were originally supposed to be dark skinned, but some aren't due to us mixing with each other?

That's just a fact, not racism. And I've said that not all Israelites are Black anyways due to God scattering us every where.

You know, this whole thread just went from calm, cool, and collected to a bunch of you guys being mind blown, not agreeing, thus constantly coming after me. I think it's pretty obvious that you're the one offended, not me, because if I was offended, why in the world would I bother making this thread? Huh?

At least when someone disagrees with me, and after a few times of trying to help them understand but they won't, I leave it at that. At least I'm mature enough to just accept the fact you disagree and move on but most of y'all keep coming after me, and not accepting what I'm saying.

(Sigh) I've been repeating myself, and I've been repeating the fact I've been repeating myself the entire time. I just hope this thread can become quiet, and anyone who reads my OP feel free to agree or disagree, and if you want to ask me something, just PM because the people here are too sensitive.
 

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Yea Im saying Jesus/Yahawashi whatever you want to call him is a false god and that Abraham only acknowledged/worshiped the Most High. He didnt worship, acknowledge, revere, know about etc.. Yahawashi.
Oh okay then, my fault for comprehending that the wrong way. By the way, Abraham did worship GOD, but I digress. Jesus is the son of God. So who is it that you believe in, then? Because you've been making the same points I've been making, but then you have THIS, so I just really would like to know what's going on.
 
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Oh okay then, my fault for comprehending that the wrong way. By the way, Abraham did worship GOD, but I digress.
Im not sure what you're not understanding. Not in a mean way, Im just confused because to me, Im speaking plain English. Abraham worshiped God. He didnt worship, acknowledge, revere, know about Jesus. Or Yahawashi. Maybe you do because a CURSE on the Israelites is that they'd worship, acknowledge, revere etc... gods their ancestors never knew. If you cant show Abraham knowing about Jesus or anyone you call the "son of God" then why are YOU following him if you say the curses are being lifted off of you?

Jesus is the son of God
No Israel is the son of God according to God...

Exodus 4:22
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Where in the law are you told Jesus is God's son? Where is he even mentioned?

So who is it that you believe in, then?
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

I dont believe in Jesus/Yahawashi and think he's an idol of foreign nations if not the TRUE Edomites, the Romans..
 

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Im not sure what you're not understanding. Not in a mean way, Im just confused because to me, Im speaking plain English. Abraham worshiped God. He didnt worship, acknowledge, revere, know about Jesus. Or Yahawashi. Maybe you do because a CURSE on the Israelites is that they'd worship, acknowledge, revere etc... gods their ancestors never knew. If you cant show Abraham knowing about Jesus or anyone you call the "son of God" then why are YOU following him if you say the curses are being lifted off of you?



No Israel is the son of God according to God...

Exodus 4:22
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Where in the law are you told Jesus is God's son? Where is he even mentioned?



The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

I dont believe in Jesus/Yahawashi and think he's an idol of foreign nations if not the TRUE Edomites, the Romans..

Exodus 4:22, you have comprehended that wrong, because if you read the whole chapter, mainly the verse before this one, you will see God is talking to Moses about going to the Pharaoh and talking with him about his people which are the ISRAELITES.

Exodus 4:21 "The LORD said to Moses, "When you return to Egypt, (the land of captivity which is where the Israelites were dwelling during this time) see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people (Israelites) go."

So when he says that Israel is his son, he's saying the Israelites are his children. Let's remember that Moses eventually led the Israelites out of Egypt by Gods command. By the way, this is from the OT. Gods son comes during the NT,

And the ONE AND ONLY difference is, when he sends his son, he is only there to die for the Israelites sake. People take that out of context. They think since we're under grace, we don't have to abide by the laws, but we do. Jesus himself said he did not come to destroy the law. Matthew 15:24 "For I am only sent to the lost sheep of Israel." In the OT, Jesus isn't born yet. That happens during the NT. That's why you're confused.

When Jesus is with his disciples, his disciples witness him many times talking to the FATHER which is God, AND in Ephesians 1:20-23,
“[God] raised [Christ] from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places. He put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all." So yes, Jesus is in fact his son.

Jesus is the king of Israel.

Mark 15:32
"Let this Christ, the King of Israel, now come down from the cross, so that we may see and believe!” Those who were crucified with Him were also insulting Him."

Matthew 27:11
"Now Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor questioned Him, saying, “Are You the King of the Jews?” And Jesus said to him, “It is as you say.”

Matthew 27:29
"And after twisting together a crown of thorns, they put it on His head, and a reed in His right hand; and they knelt down before Him and mocked Him, saying, “Hail, King of the Jews!”

John 19:21
"So the chief priests of the Jews were saying to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews’; but that He said, ‘I am King of the Jews."

And all of those verses are from the NT, so yes, Jesus, or as I call him by his Hebrew name, Yeshua, is in fact the son of God which only came to die for the Israelites.
 
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Exodus 4:22, you have comprehended that wrong, because if you read the whole chapter, mainly the verse before this one, you will see God is talking to Moses about going to the Pharaoh and talking with him about his people which are the ISRAELITES.

Exodus 4:21 "The LORD said to Moses, "When you return to Egypt, (the land of captivity which is where the Israelites were dwelling during this time) see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people (Israelites) go."

So when he says that Israel is his son, he's saying the Israelites are his children. Let's remember that Moses eventually led the Israelites out of Egypt by Gods command. By the way, this is from the OT.
Yes the only mention by God of His son is in regards to Israel.

Gods son comes during the NT,
Thats not how it works. He said he existed before he was born so his lack of presence in the OT being placed on him not being born doesnt make much sense to me. The fact is, you revere him. You hold him in high regard. Yet in the OT, no one did. It was all about God, and Israel being God's son.

You're not supposed to be following him...
 

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Yes the only mention by God of His son is in regards to Israel.



Thats not how it works. He said he existed before he was born so his lack of presence in the OT being placed on him not being born doesnt make much sense to me. The fact is, you revere him. You hold him in high regard. Yet in the OT, no one did. It was all about God, and Israel being God's son.

You're not supposed to be following him...
Um, are you just going to ignore those verses giving evidence that his son is the king of Israel, and that God was talking about the Israelites in the verse you provided?

Please give me the verse where Jesus supposedly existed before he was born.

As for your second to last statement, it's already been clear that when Moses was talking to the Pharaoh, he was telling the Pharaoh what God wanted him to tell him, which is the Israelites belonging to him. Also, the whole situation in general is about the Pharaoh keeping the Israelites enslaved which is why God was commanding Moses to converse with him and what not. The only "Israel" in that verse are the Israelites,

But Jesus is also an Israelite. He's not called Israel though, but he is, as the verses provided have told you, the KING of Israel. JACOB is also called Israel, which is further proof that when Moses mentioned Israel, he was talking about them.

So I'm not supposed to be following the King of Israel? Yeah, I rather WOULD, for 2 reasons:

1. Because I sincerely love him, and proof of that would be me abiding by his laws and keeping my faith for eternity.
2. I really wouldn't want to be part of the 2/3 of Israelites that will die when Jesus returns.
 

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Your beliefs dont even make sense LitteLady. KM and Resistor openly reject that Jesus is the messiah, they dont believe he is the only means to salvation. They are antichrist and openly denounce Jesus all the time on this forum. If you still believe Jesus is the Christ they are not your brothers in the least bit...
You promote Jesus so that would make us even.
 

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Im not sure what you're not understanding. Not in a mean way, Im just confused because to me, Im speaking plain English. Abraham worshiped God. He didnt worship, acknowledge, revere, know about Jesus. Or Yahawashi. Maybe you do because a CURSE on the Israelites is that they'd worship, acknowledge, revere etc... gods their ancestors never knew. If you cant show Abraham knowing about Jesus or anyone you call the "son of God" then why are YOU following him if you say the curses are being lifted off of you?



No Israel is the son of God according to God...

Exodus 4:22
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Where in the law are you told Jesus is God's son? Where is he even mentioned?



The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

I dont believe in Jesus/Yahawashi and think he's an idol of foreign nations if not the TRUE Edomites, the Romans..
Psalm 2 also, the nation of Israel are objectively the "only begotten son of God" according to endless passages of the OT. It's not disputable.
Christians try to subvert this when then claiming that Jesus himself is this "son of God" even though Jesus explicitly says to his fellow Jew Nicodemus “Are you a teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things?" (aka Jesus isn't teaching anything new or contrary to the Torah before him).

The blind will follow the blind.
 

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Psalm 2 also, the nation of Israel are objectively the "only begotten son of God" according to endless passages of the OT. It's not disputable.
Christians try to subvert this when then claiming that Jesus himself is this "son of God" even though Jesus explicitly says to his fellow Jew Nicodemus “Are you a teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things?" (aka Jesus isn't teaching anything new or contrary to the Torah before him).

The blind will follow the blind.
You just proved my point. Are you guys not aware that Jesus himself is an Israelite? Jesus comes from the Tribe of Judah. Since he is the son of God who is also the king of Israel, why would he NOT be an Israelite? If God made his people Israelites, then obviously, he would make his son one too which is exactly what he did.

You do know that the Israelites have to teach each other right? They can't just be Israelites, not abide by Gods laws, and refuse to make righteous judgment whenever one messes up, so yes, Israelites are also teachers. I'm an Israelite, and aren't I teaching viewers here about the Bible? Yes I am.

The Israelites may be teachers, but OBVIOUSLY God is the ultimate teacher hence why we have a Bible. Jesus is considered a teacher as well because during his time on earth, what did he do besides perform miracles? He taught his disciples and also the heathens about the word of God. So every Israelite is a teacher but God the father, and Jesus the son are the ultimate teachers.
 

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Psalm 2 also, the nation of Israel are objectively the "only begotten son of God" according to endless passages of the OT. It's not disputable.
Christians try to subvert this when then claiming that Jesus himself is this "son of God" even though Jesus explicitly says to his fellow Jew Nicodemus “Are you a teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things?" (aka Jesus isn't teaching anything new or contrary to the Torah before him).

The blind will follow the blind.
Its quite telling that you have demonstrated encouragement toward every belief here except the Christian one. You basically encourage others to practice and believe in religions that condemn them and yourself yet disdain the only one with mercy and grace. According to the Muslim and Jewish faith there is no salvation or hope for you as you are guilty of either being an unbeliever or lawbreaker. Quite strange that you support others who believe in religions that condemn you personally, but carry on....
 

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@LittleLady

You keep saying that God chose you. What about the other Christians on this board... Are they just supposed to adhere to your chosenness or are you more chosen then they are?
 

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Its quite telling that you have demonstrated encouragement toward every belief here except the Christian one. You basically encourage others to practice and believe in religions that condemn them and yourself yet disdain the only one with mercy and grace. According to the Muslim and Jewish faith there is no salvation or hope for you as you are guilty of either being an unbeliever or lawbreaker. Quite strange that you support others who believe in religions that condemn you personally, but carry on....
So are you asking me to promote Christianity? if so, will you promote Islam and Judaism for a while? how about we switch since you seem to be hinting at that....
 

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Lol Christians "you're not a Christian" well yes I know I'm not, thanks for repeating the obvious. You Christians are both so incredibly insecure about your beliefs (to the level that you find the need to point out when someone isn't a Christian) and incredibly insincere in the belief itself you claim to hold.
 

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So are you asking me to promote Christianity? if so, will you promote Islam and Judaism for a while? how about we switch since you seem to be hinting at that....
...yet you clearly dont believe in the muslim faith or judaism either, because if you did you would hold to either one or the other. Which is why its strange you are defending two other beliefs that equally condemn you when you dont even believe them.
 

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According to the Muslim and Jewish faith there is no salvation or hope for you as you are guilty of either being an unbeliever or lawbreaker.
Sure continue to be ignorant of other religions because of your agenda.
All three Abrahamic religions have very similar salvation narratives, it comes down to the most basic and simple: "love God and follow his commandments". Judaism, Jesus and Islam all state this quite firmly.

I've already been over your Christian sacrifice narrative here: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-muslim-trinity.7534/post-329758
 

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...yet you clearly dont believe in the muslim faith or judaism either, because if you did you would hold to either one or the other. Which is why its strange you are defending two other beliefs that equally condemn you when you dont even believe them.
Cool
 

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Sure continue to be ignorant of other religions because of your agenda.
All three Abrahamic religions have very similar salvation narratives, it comes down to the most basic and simple: "love God and follow his commandments". Judaism, Jesus and Islam all state this quite firmly.

I've already been over your Christian sacrifice narrative here: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-muslim-trinity.7534/post-329758
Those ideas of love and keeping commandments are ultimately secular and unable to save you if you detach them from belief or acknowledgment of the being who decreed such. Simply put if you dont believe in Allah you are damned and if you dont follow YHWH's laws you are damned.... That's why its bizarre you keep encouraging beliefs that condemn you...
 

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@LittleLady

You keep saying that God chose you. What about the other Christians on this board... Are they just supposed to adhere to your chosenness or are you more chosen then they are?
I only repeat that so I can use it as realistic examples. It's not me being prideful. You already know that all of us here keep going back and forth with each other, and in order to get them to understand, sometimes I have to use the fact God chose me as an example of whatever topic we're talking about. Example; God chose me, and I am making sure I teach as many people as possible about the truth because that is my job; to spread the gospel.

Nobody is more chosen than each other. Whoever is chosen by God, then they are all equal together. That means whoever here is chosen, we are equal in Gods eyes and we aren't holier than one another. God doesn't have one of his people in first place, while he has the other in second place. No, it's not like that.
 
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