The Mother of All Causes: the Father of Lies

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Johannes Kepler (d. 1630), who wrote Laws of Planetary Motion, proposed that the conjunction of the planets Jupiter, Saturn and Mars caused a brilliant light (about 7 B.C.). Kepler had observed such a phenomenon in 1604, and calculated that this would have occurred at about the time of Christ’s birth. He posited that a supernova occurred simultaneously which would have caused an intense, brilliant light that lasted for weeks.

Konradin Ferrari d’Occhieppo in 2003 proposed that the star was the conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in the constellation Pisces in 7-6 B.C. He wrote, “Jupiter, the star of the highest Babylonian deity (Marduke), entered its brightest phase when it rose in the evening alongside Saturn, the cosmic representation of the Jewish people.” Commenting on this finding, Ferrari d’Occhieppo posited that astronomers in Babylon (an ancient center for astronomy) would have interpreted this phenomenon as a universally significant event, namely the birth of a king in the land of the Jews who would bring salvation.

Roger Sinnott using evidence from Bryant Tuckeman’s Planetary, Lunar, and Solar Positions, 601 B.C. to A.D. 1 (American Philosophical Society, 1979), presented a most interesting finding: In 3-2 B.C., three unusual planetary alignments (a triple conjunction) of the planets Jupiter and Venus with the star Regulus in the constellation Leo occurred. Interestingly, the splendor of this event would have climaxed Dec. 25, 2 B.C. Jupiter was named for Jupiter, the king of the Roman gods; Venus, named for Venus, the Roman goddess of love and motherhood; Regulus, a star that means “little king” and symbolizes a scepter; and Leo, the lion, the symbol for the tribe of Judah.




“Al cap dels sèt cent ans, verdejera lo laurel.“

After seven hundred years, the laurel will be green again. - 1309, Guilhèm Belibasta
 

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Johannes Kepler (d. 1630), who wrote Laws of Planetary Motion, proposed that the conjunction of the planets Jupiter, Saturn and Mars caused a brilliant light (about 7 B.C.). Kepler had observed such a phenomenon in 1604, and calculated that this would have occurred at about the time of Christ’s birth. He posited that a supernova occurred simultaneously which would have caused an intense, brilliant light that lasted for weeks.

Konradin Ferrari d’Occhieppo in 2003 proposed that the star was the conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in the constellation Pisces in 7-6 B.C. He wrote, “Jupiter, the star of the highest Babylonian deity (Marduke), entered its brightest phase when it rose in the evening alongside Saturn, the cosmic representation of the Jewish people.” Commenting on this finding, Ferrari d’Occhieppo posited that astronomers in Babylon (an ancient center for astronomy) would have interpreted this phenomenon as a universally significant event, namely the birth of a king in the land of the Jews who would bring salvation.

Roger Sinnott using evidence from Bryant Tuckeman’s Planetary, Lunar, and Solar Positions, 601 B.C. to A.D. 1 (American Philosophical Society, 1979), presented a most interesting finding: In 3-2 B.C., three unusual planetary alignments (a triple conjunction) of the planets Jupiter and Venus with the star Regulus in the constellation Leo occurred. Interestingly, the splendor of this event would have climaxed Dec. 25, 2 B.C. Jupiter was named for Jupiter, the king of the Roman gods; Venus, named for Venus, the Roman goddess of love and motherhood; Regulus, a star that means “little king” and symbolizes a scepter; and Leo, the lion, the symbol for the tribe of Judah.




“Al cap dels sèt cent ans, verdejera lo laurel.“

After seven hundred years, the laurel will be green again. - 1309, Guilhèm Belibasta
From: Glastonbury - Summerland

Many truths have been purposely hidden from the world by so-called Christian religious leaders wanting to enlarge their power and coffers using their false "protection-racket" and many lies and deceptions have been perpetrated upon the world, especially the British and English speaking peoples in order to achieve their evil aims of self-aggrandizement, enrichment and domination.

For example: how many British people have been taught in school that the word Brit-ish is Hebrew and means "Covenant-man", as it does also in Welsh, in other words, Israelite-man? None. If they have learned it, they have had to do so from unofficial sources, even though it is an undeniable fact, known to Sir Francis Drake and stated by him before the Armada in his letter to John Foxe (1587).

First of all, Jesus could not possibly have been from Nazareth, because there was no town called Nazareth at the time of Jesus, who was a Nazarite (Num. 6), not a citizen of non-existent Nazareth. Nowhere in the ancient Jewish writings is there a town called Nazareth mentioned and there is no physical evidence that a town called Nazareth existed before the fourth century A.D., long after Jesus had ascended from the Mount of Olives into heaven.

So, as there was no town of Nazareth and the British monarch was already a Christian (Gildas, De Excidio Britanniae)* when Joseph of Arimathaea arrived in England: who converted the British people to Christianity? It couldn’t have been the disciples because they arrived with, or after Joseph. So who did convert the British people to Christianity?

There can be only one answer to that question - Christ.

* Gildas the Wise (born Strathclyde c. 493 – died 570 A.D.),who reportedly spent some years at Glastonbury Abbey states:
"These islands received the beams of light - that is, the holy precepts of Christ - the true Sun, as we know, at the latter part of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, in whose time this religion was propagated without impediment and death threatened to those who interfered with its professors." - "De Excidio Britanniae" ("The Ruin and Conquest of Britain" probably written between 516 and 547; c. 540) (Matthews, p. 87)


As Tiberius Caesar died in 37 A.D., this reference places Christianity in Britain during the life of Jesus.[

Is there any proof that Jesus lived in England during the missing years? Physical evidence – no; circumstantial evidence, allied with common-sense deduction - yes. Lots of it. There is more than enough evidence to persuade anyone with a truly open mind that Jesus spent his missing years in what is now called England, at Glastonbury and not in the then non-existent town of Nazareth.

In the Irish version of the Gospel of Matthew we are told that Druids came to the East to worship the King of kings. Britain was ruled by the Levitical Druid religion and the word Druid means Truth, their motto being "The Truth Against the World". Glastonbury was a Druid centre of learning and there was an observatory on the summit of Tor Hill for the study of astronomy. They were waiting for their Messiah Yesu/Hesus – Jesus (the Truth made flesh) - to come. In other words the real true Druids were the Levitical priesthood of the ten "lost" tribes of Israel, in exile.

In the year 7 B.C. there was a conjunction of Jupiter (the king of the planets) and Saturn (thought to be the protector of Israel) in the Constellation of Pisces (the Sign of the Messiah), as computed in 1603 by the Astronomer Royal in Prague - Johannes Kepler, that was first visible at daybreak on the 12th of April 7 B.C. (Passover in 7 B.C. was on Monday April 13th which commenced at sundown on the 12th). The earth-shattering significance of this conjunction – Messiah; King; Protector of Israel; Passover - would have been unmistakable to the Levitical Druid astronomers in the British Isles, where the monarch was also the Archdruid.

King of kings’ Bible - Matthew 2:1-6
2:1 Now when Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men (druids) to the East to Jerusalem,
2:2 Saying, Where is he that has been BORN King of the Jews? for we saw his "Star" in the East, and are come to worship him.
2:3 When Herod the king had heard [these things], he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and lawyers of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
2:6 And thou Bethlehem, [in] the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah: for out of thee shall come a Governor (of this prison planet), that shall rule My people Israel.

Historical records show that Mary the mother of Jesus was a member of the British royal family, descended from David and also the priestly line of Levi - she was the cousin of Elisabeth. This Levitical connection is confirmed both in the Gospel of Luke and also in the Koran, which also confirms that Mary travelled to the East to give birth to Jesus in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. Mary’s Levitical and Davidic lineage meant that Jesus was therefore eligible to be both King and High-Priest, also in fulfillment of Scriptural prophecy.

Luke 1:36-43
1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias (a Levitical priest), and saluted Elisabeth.
1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit:
1:42 And she spoke out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed [art] thou among women, and blessed [is] the fruit of thy womb.
1:43 And whence [is] this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

King of kings’ Bible - Sura 3:33-36
3:33. God did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Amram above all people,-
3:34. Offspring, one of the other: and God heareth and knoweth all things.
3:35. Behold! A woman (Hannah - Anne who was a member of the British Royal Family) of Amram (who was a Levite and Moses’ dad) said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: so accept this of me: for Thou hearest and knowest all things."
3:36. When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- and God knew best what she brought forth- "And in no way is the male like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."

King of kings’ Bible - Sura 19:16. Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family (in Britain) to a place in the East (Israel).

Is it not perfectly logical then, that Druids seeing his star in the East and, being the Levitical priesthood in exile, therefore knowing the Old Testament prophecies, would come to the Holy Land to pay homage to their prophesied Messiah and long-awaited King of kings? It took them almost two years after seeing the "star" to prepare for and make the journey from Britain and that is why Herod slew all the male children up to two years of age, after having talked to them and made diligent inquiry about the date of Jesus’ birth (12th April 7 B.C.). The Druids found a young child, in a house, not a baby in a stable as the shepherds had done two years earlier.

Matthew 2:9-12
2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the "Star", which they had seen in the East, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
2:10 When they saw the "Star", they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
2:11 And when they were come into the HOUSE, they saw the young CHILD with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
2:12 And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.

Herod (who died in 4 B.C.) was troubled and all Jerusalem with him. So troubled that he ordered the "Slaughter of the Innocents" that Jesus escaped from, by going into Egypt. Where would they stay in Egypt? How would they live in a strange land? Joseph de Marmore from Arimathaea lived at Marmorica in Egypt before later moving to Arimathaea. The Jesus family would have escaped by going to visit their uncle Joseph who was extremely wealthy and Rome’s "Nobilis Decurio" (Minister for Mines), and, knowing they would not be safe for long in Egypt, they took passage on one of uncle Joseph’s ships and sailed to Mary’s home in England, where they would be safe. Would they not be safest in Mary’s homeland, being also the land from where her relatives, the Druid kings, had come from to pay homage to their Messiah - the King of kings? Britain was also, at that time; unlike the Holy Land; free and safe from pagan Roman domination.

A young man, who, according to Scripture (Luke 2:46-47), at 12 years of age could astound the elders in The Temple with his knowledge, would not sit idly by for the next 20+ years, especially after saying he must be about his Father’s business. During that time he would have been talking to many people and astounding them too. If the mission in the Holy Land did only last for three and a half years, as is commonly believed, then where did he spend the other three and a half years confirming The Covenant, as was prophesied through Daniel? It must have been in England. He told the disciples: "Other sheep I have (present not future tense), who are not of this fold. Go to the lost sheep of the House of Israel – the ten 'lost' tribes of Israel."
 
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The pace at which the collective mind has been digging up things that were buried is astonishing. This really is an apocalyptic age.

Michael Jones tries to rebut it, but this is futile. Can’t stop the Revelation.

 

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The pace at which the collective mind has been digging up things that were buried is astonishing. This really is an apocalyptic age.

Michael Jones tries to rebut it, but this is futile. Can’t stop the Revelation.

The problem of those subscribing to this view is that they're not spiritually mature enough to handle the idea that Justice and Retribution is part of God's character which is one of Satan's way to produce lies in an attempt to undermine God's integrity toward those attributes. Nobody should be surprised to learn that Marcion, the one who first introduced this Dualist invention, denied just like Gnostics that Jesus actually was the Word of God foretold in Psalms 107 incarnated in flesh who has been resurrected thus denying God's Triune nature.

One should totally expect Gnostics, one of the oldest form of anti-Judaism, would pursue this effort to explain how original Judaism always had been a satanic cult, that Moses was a false prophet, that Jerusalem is Satan's city, that King David used demons to build the city or that Solomon received Satan's help to build the 1st Temple. They will never look and analyze what the Old Testament actually reveals, for example that Love your neighbor already was in it

You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.
Leviticus 19:18

This Gnostic approach seems to have gained popularity among way too many German Catholics in 1930, no wonder there was little resistance by them when Hitler came merging its ethno-nationalistic views with pagan/gnostic spirituality to gain support. It was nothing more than the perversion of both Jesus teachings and God's character that allowed this powergrab. Gnostic 'Christians' believed Hitler was the German messiah, the reincarnation of the gnostic Jesus resolving the Jewish question and establishing a reign that would last a 1000 years. Ultimately none of that came to fruition because it was Satan's failed plot in its attempt to have what he will never get in its rebellion against God.

They have taken crafty counsel against Your people, And consulted together against Your sheltered ones. They have said, “Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation, That the name of Israel may be remembered no more.”
Psalms 83:3‭-‬4

The reality is that God wills the existence of Judaism, in fact Jesus Himself hinted that some would still keep the sabbath during the end time and it obviously couldn't be Christians or Muslims.

"And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."
Matthew 24:20‭-‬21

Muslims and Catholics don’t want to see that Israel exists today because the 4th commandment in the Law has to be kept on the land that God gave to Jacob’s posterity which is something Christian European ancestors had to learn the hard way. This being said, it doesn’t change that I personally believe the Talmud to be a vile book just like any other book trying to rob from God the praise only He and His Chosen One, Jesus Christ, deserves.
Indeed the time of revelation is coming but few people understand that both sides of the political and spiritual narrative are controlled and part of a vast plot against God. You only win if you can escape Babylon.

And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.” And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
Revelation 18:2‭-‬5

I honestly pray you'd drop this gnostic falsehood to welcome Jesus Christ in your heart lest you get enrolled in Satan's rebellion through this deception.
 
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The problem of those subscribing to this view is that they're not spiritually mature enough to handle the idea that Justice and Retribution is part of God's character which is one of Satan's way to produce lies in an attempt to undermine God's integrity toward those attributes. Nobody should be surprised to learn that Marcion, the one who first introduced this Dualist invention, denied just like Gnostics that Jesus actually was the Word of God foretold in Psalms 107 incarnated in flesh who has been resurrected thus denying God's Triune nature.

One should totally expect Gnostics, one of the oldest form of anti-Judaism, would pursue this effort to explain how original Judaism always had been a satanic cult, that Moses was a false prophet, that Jerusalem is Satan's city, that King David used demons to build the city or that Solomon received Satan's help to build the 1st Temple. They will never look and analyze what the Old Testament actually reveals, for example that Love your neighbor already was in it

You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.
Leviticus 19:18

This Gnostic approach seems to have gained popularity among way too many German Catholics in 1930, no wonder there was little resistance by them when Hitler came merging its ethno-nationalistic views with pagan/gnostic spirituality to gain support. It was nothing more than the perversion of both Jesus teachings and God's character that allowed this powergrab. Gnostic 'Christians' believed Hitler was the German messiah, the reincarnation of the gnostic Jesus resolving the Jewish question and establishing a reign that would last a 1000 years. Ultimately none of that came to fruition because it was Satan's failed plot in its attempt to have what he will never get in its rebellion against God.

They have taken crafty counsel against Your people, And consulted together against Your sheltered ones. They have said, “Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation, That the name of Israel may be remembered no more.”
Psalms 83:3‭-‬4

The reality is that God wills the existence of Judaism, in fact Jesus Himself hinted that some would still keep the sabbath during the end time and it obviously couldn't be Christians or Muslims.

"And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."
Matthew 24:20‭-‬21

Muslims and Catholics don’t want to see that Israel exists today because the 4th commandment in the Law has to be kept on the land that God gave to Jacob’s posterity which is something Christian European ancestors had to learn the hard way. This being said, it doesn’t change that I personally believe the Talmud to be a vile book just like any other book trying to rob from God the praise only He and His Chosen One, Jesus Christ, deserves.
Indeed the time of revelation is coming but few people understand that both sides of the political and spiritual narrative are controlled and part of a vast plot against God. You only win if you can escape Babylon.

And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.” And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
Revelation 18:2‭-‬5

I honestly pray you'd drop this gnostic falsehood to welcome Jesus Christ in your heart lest you get enrolled in Satan's rebellion through this deception.
Do you have an argument against the thesis?
 

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The pace at which the collective mind has been digging up things that were buried is astonishing. This really is an apocalyptic age.

Michael Jones tries to rebut it, but this is futile. Can’t stop the Revelation.

The recent “Curse Tablet” found at Mt Ebal contains both El and Yah names of God, destroying the Documentary Hypotheses along the way…

 
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The recent “Curse Tablet” found at Mt Ebal contains both El and Yah names of God, destroying the Documentary Hypotheses along the way…

The inscription:

“Cursed, cursed, cursed—cursed by the God Yhw. You will die cursed. Cursed you will surely die. Cursed by Yhw—cursed, cursed, cursed.”

Yahweh, the god of curses and plagues. Check.

That said, the oldest mention of Yahweh (the shasu of yhw) is older than this tablet. The Kenite Hypothesis (see chapter 10) argues for a migration of the worship of Yahweh from the Kenites (the tribe of Jethro, and thus Moses) into Israel. Therefore, the presence of a tablet in Israel, dated to 1200BC, containing the inscription "Yhw" is not contradictory to the thesis' propositions.
 
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The inscription:

“Cursed, cursed, cursed—cursed by the God Yhw. You will die cursed. Cursed you will surely die. Cursed by Yhw—cursed, cursed, cursed.”

Yahweh, the god of curses and plagues. Check.

That said, the oldest mention of Yahweh (the shasu of yhw) is older than this tablet. The Kenite Hypothesis (see chapter 10) argues for a migration of the worship of Yahweh from the Kenites (the tribe of Jethro, and thus Moses) into Israel. Therefore, the presence of a tablet in Israel, dated to 1200BC, containing the inscription "Yhw" is not contradictory to the thesis' propositions.
“People tend to believe what they want to believe” ~ Author Unknown
 

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Do they? I'm sure deep down you know God doesn't curse, Red Sky.
A “curse” is a sanction. Goodness can impose sanctions. You can either believe that the laws (and standards or right and wrong) are a good thing or take the position of the anarchists who believe all laws and restrictions are evil.

What is your understanding of Romans 5:1

“Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:”

If God the Father is “the bad guy” then to what purpose has Jesus created peace between us? It makes no sense whatsoever to me.
 

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Do they? I'm sure deep down you know God doesn't curse, Red Sky.
Why you say God doesn't curse ?

God is on record pronouncing lots of curses.



Genesis 3:14
The Lord God said to the serpent,
“Because you have done this,
Cursed are you more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you will go,
And dust you will eat
All the days of your life;

Genesis 12:3
And I will bless those who bless you,
And the one who curses you I will curse.
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

Proverbs 3:33
The curse of the Lord is on the house of the wicked,
But He blesses the dwelling of the righteous.

Proverbs 22:14
The mouth of an adulteress is a deep pit;
He who is cursed of the Lord will fall into it.

Malachi 2:2
If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name,” says the Lord of hosts, “then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings; and indeed, I have cursed them already, because you are not taking it to heart.

Lamentations 3:65
You will give them hardness of heart,
Your curse will be on them.

Matthew 25:41
“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
 
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A “curse” is a sanction. Goodness can impose sanctions. You can either believe that the laws (and standards or right and wrong) are a good thing or take the position of the anarchists who believe all laws and restrictions are evil.

What is your understanding of Romans 5:1

“Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:”

If God the Father is “the bad guy” then to what purpose has Jesus created peace between us? It makes no sense whatsoever to me.
A curse is not synonymous to punishment; it is synonymous to malediction, which contains the intent to cause evil.

You propose an either-or dilemma to Law, but that's not the case. As described in chapter 4, the Law (meaning the Decalogue) is just, but just is not equal to good. The Law that is made alive as a consequence of man's faith in Christ is what is Good (Christ: from Chrestos (Gr. for "the Good"), not Christos: "the anointed"). That should somewhat answer Romans 5:1.

I haven't claimed God the Father is "the bad guy". The claim is that there is a trichotomy, not a duality, of the spiritual realm (also explained in chapter 4):

Good: Jesus Christ, the Father in Heaven.

Just: El, the Most High, the Lawmaker, the demiurge.

Evil / Unjust: Satan, Baal, Yawheh.

A quote from Ptolemy, disciple of Valentinus:

And if the perfect God is good by nature, in fact he is, for our Savior declared that there is only a single good God, his Father whom he manifested; and if the one who is the opposite nature is evil and wicked, characterized by injustice; then the one situated between the two is neither good nor evil or unjust, but can properly be called just, since he is the arbitrator of the justice which is his. – Ptolemy’s Letter to Flora
 
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There's just too much scripture disproving the things being asserted here. The new testament is always making reference to how Christ and The God of Israel are one in the same.
Christ never made that claim. Saying "the Lord our God is one" is not equal to stating "I am Yahweh" or "my God is Yahweh" (or even El).
 
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Why you say God doesn't curse ?

God is on record pronouncing lots of curses.



Genesis 3:14
The Lord God said to the serpent,
“Because you have done this,
Cursed are you more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you will go,
And dust you will eat
All the days of your life;

Genesis 12:3
And I will bless those who bless you,
And the one who curses you I will curse.
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

Proverbs 3:33
The curse of the Lord is on the house of the wicked,
But He blesses the dwelling of the righteous.

Proverbs 22:14
The mouth of an adulteress is a deep pit;
He who is cursed of the Lord will fall into it.

Malachi 2:2
If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name,” says the Lord of hosts, “then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings; and indeed, I have cursed them already, because you are not taking it to heart.

Lamentations 3:65
You will give them hardness of heart,
Your curse will be on them.

Matthew 25:41
“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
Why are you giving quotes that confirm the Old Testament god curses people?

Matthew mentions those who are under a curse; it's not a malediction by Jesus Christ or Jesus' Father. Try to search for one though and see what you find (or not find).
 

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Why are you giving quotes that confirm the Old Testament god curses people?

Matthew mentions those who are under a curse; it's not a malediction by Jesus Christ or Jesus' Father. Try to search for one though and see what you find (or not find).
The Tribulation looks pretty heavy for those who worship the Antichrist, and in Revelation 19:11 Jesus comes back as ruler in a way which nobody could mistake for meek & mild!
 

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I remember we delved into this some years ago. I would reread the new testament and note( highlight) how many things Christ said and did to illustrate his close relationship with the God of Israel. Ask the holy spirit to show you. This is a spiritual battle and spiritual truths cannot be interpreted by the natural mind.

Christ referred to the temple as HIS father's house. He claimed to be the very passover that the God of Israel gave to his people. He spoke of dining with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and his father kingdom. He perfectly obeyed and adhered to the law of the Jews and came to establish it. He said he was the fulfillment of various prophecies of the old testament prophets. He even identified himself with Moses and his ministry. That's just scratching the surface and I didn't even go into anything after the book of john. Don't be deceived.
 

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Christ never made that claim. Saying "the Lord our God is one" is not equal to stating "I am Yahweh" or "my God is Yahweh" (or even El).
God is a proto indo word and so not found in the hebrew bible where the words are elohim (plural) and el (singular).



Exodus 3 14Elohim said to Moses, “I AM THAT I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”

Exodus 6 2Elohim also told Moses, “I am YHWH. 3I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El Almighty, but by My name YHWH I did not make Myself known to them.

John 8 58“Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was born, I am!




The Elohim of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is Jesus Christ. He is the El Almighty also known as YHWH.
 
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