The Bible Teaches Terrorism and Killing Infants

[Cintra]

1- What was Jesus's original message?
2- Why are Sunnis and Shiites killing each other, do they read different versions of the Koran?
3- Jesus is not a corpse in a box like all the rest, so I'd say that makes him the one to follow..

Catholics and protestants have always killed each other.
In some very creative ways.

 

[Tidal]

Catholics and protestants have always killed each other.
In some very creative ways.

If catholics are true christians, I'm Mary Poppins..
The catholic IRA tried to blow up my protestant hometown of Leicester in 1990, we lived 3 miles away and it rattled our windows and woke up our cat but miraculously no innocent men women and kids were hurt.
So if ever i meet a thick-headed IRA terrorist i'd like to ask him what had our cat done to upset the IRA?..

 

[Cintra]

If catholics are true christians, I'm Mary Poppins..
The catholic IRA tried to blow up my protestant hometown of Leicester in 1990, we lived 3 miles away and it rattled our windows and woke up our cat but miraculously no innocent men women and kids were hurt.
So if ever i meet a thick-headed IRA terrorist i'd like to ask him what had our cat done to upset the IRA?..

Yeah. I remember the IRA too.
I believe that the Shankhill Butchers were protestants.

Really don't see why your annecdotal memory of some domestic terrorists, and your apparent idea that you know what 'being a christian' means for everybody, has anything to do with the schismatic nature of all religions.

Although I suppose you can serve as an example of intolerant christians whoes deliberately inflamatory statements give rise to division, within their own religion.

Are you just an atheistic agent provocateur?
Just winding us up?
Taking the mick?

 

[Tidal]

..Although I suppose you can serve as an example of intolerant christians whoes deliberately inflamatory statements give rise to division, within their own religion..

You can tolerate religious crackpots and those on God's "hit list" below if you like, but include me out..

"Law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God" (1 Tim 1:9-11)

 

[Cintra]

You can tolerate religious crackpots and those on God's "hit list" below if you like, but include me out..

"Law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God" (1 Tim 1:9-11)

Lol, you are so not a christian.
Wind up merchant.

 

[Tidal]

Lol, you are so not a christian.Wind up merchant.

Admit it honeybun, you're Lisa in disguise..
She used to say I wasn't a christian, and you jumped on her side against me.
Then she vanished, so if you're not her i can only suppose that you're pining for her..

 

[Cintra]

Admit it honeybun, you're Lisa in disguise..
She used to say I wasn't a christian, and you jumped on her side against me.
Then she vanished, so if you're not her i can only suppose that you're pining for her..

Well, sweetie pie, you may think that, but I couldn't possibly comment.

You are the guy that makes out he is a christian so he can have a pop at people he don't like.
Like muslims.

Your logic is The IRA scared my cat, therefore muslims are evil.

Well done.
Q. E. bloody D.

 

[muslimah]

1- What was Jesus's original message?
2- Why are Sunnis and Shiites killing each other, do they read different versions of the Koran?
3- Jesus is not a corpse in a box like all the rest, so I'd say that makes him the one to follow..

1. Jesus' original message was to worship Allah alone, as was the message of all Prophets.
2. Why have Catholics and protestants killed eachother? Do they have different versions of the bi- oh wait they do. As happens with all religions, some people branch off from the orthodox teachings in favour of what suits their desires more. This is clearly what happened with the Shiites, as they have many beliefs that completely go against the Qur'an. For example they believe it to be permissible to supplicate to the dead despite the Qur'an being clear that you can only supplicate to Allah alone.
3. Muslims do follow him as I have previously stated and he has commanded us to worship Allah alone and follow his Prophets; the Prophet sent for us in our time is the final Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, and the final revelation that is the Qur'an is still in tact unlike the bible. If your point is that because Jesus is still alive today that somehow makes him divine, then wouldn't by that logic Satan be even more divine as he has been alive even longer? Allah has given different Prophets different miracles and gifts, for example Prophet Suleiman had a kingdom no man after him would have; he could command the wind, talk to animals, and even had armies of men and jinn gathered for him. However, these gifts from Allah do not make him superior to all of the other Prophets; just like Jesus being kept alive by Allah for a long time does not make him superior to all of the other Prophets.

 

[pescatarian09]

Jesus said "be good, decent people", so what did Mohammed say that was better than that?

If you wish to understand what it is that Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, taught, then an excellent starting point is the Prophet's final sermon. It summarises in a precise and short manner some of the most important teachings of Islam. The teachings of one Prophet are not to be considered better than that of another - they all conveyed the same message, that of absolute monotheism.

Prophet Muhammad’s Last Sermon: A Final Admonition

The last sermon of Prophet Muhammad which he delivered at Hajj, the annual pilgrimage made to Mecca by Muslims all over.

www.islamreligion.com

The Final Sermon:

After praising, and thanking God, the Prophet, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, said

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore, listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds. God has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital, however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. God has Judged that there shall be no interest, and that all the interest due to Al-Abbas ibn Abd’el Muttalib [the Prophet's uncle] shall henceforth be waived...

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under a trust from God and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.

O People, listen to me in earnest, worship God, perform your five daily prayers, fast during the month of Ramadan, and offer Zakat [charity]. Perform Hajj [pilgrimage to Makkah] if you have the means.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white has no superiority over a black, nor does a black have any superiority over a white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

Remember, one day you will appear before God and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O people, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah, and if you follow these you will never go astray.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and it may be that the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O God, that I have conveyed your message to your people."

Thus the beloved Prophet completed his Final Sermon, and upon it, near the summit of Arafat, the revelation came down:

"…This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My Grace upon you, and have chosen Islam for you as your religion…" (Quran 5:3)

 

[Tidal]

Jesus' original message was to worship Allah alone, as was the message of all Prophets.

There are youtube videos showing muslims stoning adulteresses to death, does Allah say to do that?
Jesus went around RESCUING adulteresses, so how can the God of Jesus be Allah?

 

[Tidal]

"…This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My Grace upon you, and have chosen Islam for you as your religion…" (Quran 5:3)

Christianity says-
"Law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God" (1 Tim 1:9-11)

Don't muslims agree with that?

 

[pescatarian09]

Christianity says-
"Law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God" (1 Tim 1:9-11)

Don't muslims agree with that?

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5

 

[Daze]

If catholics are true christians, I'm Mary Poppins..

So what you're saying today is.. half of Christians, aren't Christian?


Doesn't this negate your favorite map that you've shared multiple times?

 

[muslimah]

There are youtube videos showing muslims stoning adulteresses to death, does Allah say to do that?
Jesus went around RESCUING adulteresses, so how can the God of Jesus be Allah?

The followers of Moses also stoned adulterers and adulteresses as commanded by God in the Torah. And since you believe Jesus is God then you would also believe Jesus was the one who commanded said stoning of adulterers.
Also even Christian scholars themselves acknowledge that the verse about Jesus saving the adulteress was a later addition.

 

[Tidal]

So what you're saying today is.. half of Christians, aren't Christian?
Doesn't this negate your favorite map that you've shared multiple times?

EVERY religion in the world has got different factions in it, for example Sunni muslims comprise around 90% of muslims, yet Shiite muslims don't regard Sunnis as true muslims.
So who are the true muslims Shiites or Sunnis?

As regards Catholics, they've got some wacky ideas but at least they regard Jesus as the Son of God..

 

[Tidal]

The followers of Moses also stoned adulterers and adulteresses as commanded by God in the Torah. And since you believe Jesus is God then you would also believe Jesus was the one who commanded said stoning of adulterers.
Also even Christian scholars themselves acknowledge that the verse about Jesus saving the adulteress was a later addition.

WHOA, i don't believe Jesus is God, we know he wasn't because he said so himself..-
Jesus said - "I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28 )
Jesus said -"Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
Jesus said - "Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
Jesus said - "I say nothing of my own accord, i only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
God himself said - "This is my beloved son, listen to him" (Matt 17:5)

As for Moses, he's in the Old Testament, but if God wanted us to stick with the Old, he wouldn't have sent Jesus to give us the New, and people quickly cottoned on-
"The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ" (John 1:17)
"Through Jesus we are saved,and not through Moses" (Acts 13:39)

As regards christian "scholars", a fool with a theology college diploma is still just a fool..
Jesus said:- "I thank you Father for hiding these things from the wise and learned, and for revealing them to little children"(Matt 11:25-27)

Below- Jesus rescuing an adulteress from the mob-

 

[elsbet]

The Amalekites were hybrids and had corrupt DNA. They were destroyed for the sake of humanity.

Indeed.
Their (genetically corrupted) camels, too. Wish I was kidding.

And... they were relentless murderers, who hated Jehovah-- and Israel.

EXODUS 17​

... because (his) hand is against the throne of Jehovah, (there shall be) war to Jehovah with Amalek... ​

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And the Lord said to Moses,​

Write this for a memorial in a book, and speak this in the ears of Joshua; for I will utterly blot out the memorial of Amalec from under heaven.​

And Moses built an altar to the Lord, and called the name of it, The Lord my Refuge.​

For with a secret hand the Lord wages war upon Amalec to all generations.​

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[AspiringSoul]

EVERY religion in the world has got different factions in it, for example Sunni muslims comprise around 90% of muslims, yet Shiite muslims don't regard Sunnis as true muslims.
So who are the true muslims Shiites or Sunnis?

As regards Catholics, they've got some wacky ideas but at least they regard Jesus as the Son of God..

in islam, the criteria for being muslim is
1) to believe in Allah
2) to believe prophet Mohammad is God's final messenger.

obv within that there are more beliefs eg
'belief in the day of judgement, in angels, heaven and hell etc'.

The shia have always regarded sunnis as muslims. The key issue is that in recent times, the wahabi sect from saudi arabia born of arab supremacism, nationalism and pseudo islamic revivalism has attacked the shia. The wahabis are worse than the sadducee's in the time of Jesus. Don't breath, they'll accuse you of kufr and bidah (religious innovation).

so really once again you tried to make a point about islam without any research or truth to it.


you don't believe the 'Son of God' is God/co-equal in Godhead with the Father. you also know that the holy spirit is not greater than the son..
so you obv reject the trinitarian doctrine.
why don't you just be sensible and accept that the term 'son of God' was not meant to be literal, but symbolic?
you didnt know who philo was for example. philo was 20 yrs older than Jesus. He actually was the guy who introduced the greek term 'logos' and merged it with the 'Image of God' before giving it a new symbolic judaic name (so that it would be easier for jews to accept), hence 'the only begotten son of God'.

as i said, the term 'ben elohim' has already been used in the OT..even the demons were called 'sons of God' in the OT.

 

[muslimah]

in islam, the criteria for being muslim is
1) to believe in Allah
2) to believe prophet Mohammad is God's final messenger.

obv within that there are more beliefs eg
'belief in the day of judgement, in angels, heaven and hell etc'.

The shia have always regarded sunnis as muslims. The key issue is that in recent times, the wahabi sect from saudi arabia born of arab supremacism, nationalism and pseudo islamic revivalism has attacked the shia. The wahabis are worse than the sadducee's in the time of Jesus. Don't breath, they'll accuse you of kufr and bidah (religious innovation).

so really once again you tried to make a point about islam without any research or truth to it.


you don't believe the 'Son of God' is God/co-equal in Godhead with the Father. you also know that the holy spirit is not greater than the son..
so you obv reject the trinitarian doctrine.
why don't you just be sensible and accept that the term 'son of God' was not meant to be literal, but symbolic?
you didnt know who philo was for example. philo was 20 yrs older than Jesus. He actually was the guy who introduced the greek term 'logos' and merged it with the 'Image of God' before giving it a new symbolic judaic name (so that it would be easier for jews to accept), hence 'the only begotten son of God'.

as i said, the term 'ben elohim' has already been used in the OT..even the demons were called 'sons of God' in the OT.

Muslims who follow the Qur'an and sunnah are living rent free in this guy's head

 

[Tidal]

Jesus' original message was to worship Allah alone.

Is Allah the same god as Jesus's God?