The Bible Teaches Terrorism and Killing Infants

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What is shocking especially to those who do not have a clue, physical (first) death in this world (be of babies, women, or whoever) does not really matter for the innocent and to those who believe in Him, in fact physical death could be God’s gift/salvation, or eternal condemnation to the evil ones through the second death in the lake of fire...babies who die goes direct to heaven for they are innocent, they dont have to go through to the corruptions and hardships while living in this world, in fact babies who died according to God’s will are more fortunate than us who are living and walking in this evil world for they are already with God. Furthermore, ask why true Christian martyrs are happy and eager to face death through persecution, because physical death to them is Salvation.

That is the difference from the muslims undertanding, for muslims are only concerned about the physical death and the material world, and they are totally clueless of the second death (of ‘dead in spirit’ like them) and the spiritual salvation through the grace of God through Jesus Christ his son, for they are being lead by a blind and clueless “prophet” who will lead them to the pit of eternal condemnation...but I do believe there are sheeps among them who shall hear the voice of the Shepherd and shall follow Him...in due time, God willing...Amen.
 






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You will find no verse in the Qur'aan that encourages its followers to kill woman and children. Killing non combatants in war is strictly prohibited. The Qur'aan has many verses prohibiting the pagan arabs from burying female infants alive yet the Bible supports killing woman and children. Here is the evidence.

1 Samuel 15.3. "Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel din opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, fbut kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey".

Christian author George Boyd has a book called God at War wherein he tries to defend this verse by saying that infants were killed because if they grew up they may worship demons and fall into idol worship. In others words the Bible supports terrorism and Christian authors are also in support of it and try to justify it the same way ISIS does.

And what did the sheep and camels do wrong??? Wow just wow.
Yeah, the Jewish Torah is fucked up. Good thing nothing like this is in the Christian gospels.

Curious why you target Christians, but not Jews.
 






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Yeah, the Jewish Torah is --- up. Good thing nothing like this is in the Christian gospels.

Curious why you target Christians, but not Jews.
If i had to guess, its not Jews bashing Islam.

Worth noting, Jew's don't really frequent this forum. If they do they're all lurkers. Least I never see arguments here about the Jewish faith put forth by Jews. Might have something to do with the numbers? Muslims and Christians literally make up half the planet while Jews only number some 10 million.
 






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If i had to guess, its not Jews bashing Islam.

Worth noting, Jew's don't really frequent this forum. If they do they're all lurkers. Least I never see arguments here about the Jewish faith put forth by Jews. Might have something to do with the numbers? Muslims and Christians literally make up half the planet while Jews only number some 10 million.
The Torah, is it Jewish or Christian?
 






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The Torah, is it Jewish or Christian?
Lets put it this way. Adam was a Muslim.

There is only one, and there will ever only be one God. Alone, indivisible, without partners.

While Abraham, David, Solomon, (insert all 124.000 prophets here) were his slaves and his messengers. You are his slave, i am his slave. Reject or accept, it does not change the facts.

3 books were revealed, the Torah, then the Injeel, finally the Quran. Only the Quran is unchanged today.

I do not know why the Almighty protects the Quran and not his previous books. You can ask him this yourself should you meet.


I know you don't agree with me Art, infact i don't think you ever did, on any issue. So whats the point of this? I thought we agreed to disagree years ago.
 






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Lets put it this way. Adam was a Muslim.

There is only one, and there will ever only be one God. Alone, indivisible, without partners.

While Abraham, David, Solomon, (insert all 124.000 prophets here) were his slaves and his messengers. You are his slave, i am his slave. Reject or accept, it does not change the facts.

3 books were revealed, the Torah, then the Injeel, finally the Quran. Only the Quran is unchanged today.

I do not know why the Almighty protects the Quran and not his previous books. You can ask him this yourself should you meet.


I know you don't agree with me Art, infact i don't think you ever did, on any issue. So whats the point of this? I thought we agreed to disagree years ago.
I have no idea who you are. Forgive me if I should.

That said, let’s stick to official history which doesn’t consider the Quran unchanged nor the Torah as Islamic literature. Is it Jewish or Christian?
 






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I have no idea who you are. Forgive me if I should.

That said, let’s stick to official history which doesn’t consider the Quran unchanged nor the Torah as Islamic literature. Is it Jewish or Christian?
Well, its been about 4 years, but since my avatar is pretty much the same I figured you could least guess? You had me on your ignore I remember. Got tired of losing debates i guess? I remember i sent you a pm and it told me i was on your ignore list.

It doesn't matter. Point is i know you well enough that there's nothing i can say that will convince you of anything, so I"m not about to waste my time. You will find out all kinds of truth on judgement day and I'm ok with that. I mean I"m not gonna suffer for what you reject in this life. I will not answer for your sins nor will you be able to answer for mine on the day of regret.

I'm not even gonna acknowledge the history remark. Tarek and Scimi put you away so many times its not even funny. I do admire your resilience though.

Peace Art, may the Creator make the truth abundantly clear to us both and put us on the path that pleases him most.

لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا ٱللَّٰهُ
مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ ٱللَّٰهِ
 






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Well, its been about 4 years, but since my avatar is pretty much the same I figured you could least guess? You had me on your ignore I remember. Got tired of losing debates i guess? I remember i sent you a pm and it told me i was on your ignore list.

It doesn't matter. Point is i know you well enough that there's nothing i can say that will convince you of anything, so I"m not about to waste my time. You will find out all kinds of truth on judgement day and I'm ok with that. I mean I"m not gonna suffer for what you reject in this life. I will not answer for your sins nor will you be able to answer for mine on the day of regret.

I'm not even gonna acknowledge the history remark. Tarek and Scimi put you away so many times its not even funny. I do admire your resilience though.

Peace Art, may the Creator make the truth abundantly clear to us both and put us on the path that pleases him most.

لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا ٱللَّٰهُ
مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ ٱللَّٰهِ
Only started using the ignore function a couple of months ago, so still have no idea who you are. Though, given you’re a Tarek & Scimi groupie, I can’t exclude the possibility I made an exception for you.

Instead of just pulling your dick out with unverifiable claims of past ownage, why not answer a simple question? Since I’m so good at losing debates.
 






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3 books were revealed, the Torah, then the Injeel, finally the Quran. Only the Quran is unchanged today.
The quran is a dictation from an angel... and that angel is identified in Isaiah 14:12...

“How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! - NKJV


Isaiah 14 13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’



 






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Ah, I’m starting to suspect a candidate, ie. a formerly open-minded, receptive, agnostic guy who turned into a convinced Muslim apologist zealot in the span of a few weeks, thinking he could start lecturing more knowledgeable people on Islam and geopolitics.

Since your posts reek of amateuristic hubris and now have the additional discomfort of childish Riddler (RIP) like images / memes as a means of getting your point across, I think I’m currently too creeped out to take a public guess.
 






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What is shocking especially to those who do not have a clue, physical (first) death in this world (be of babies, women, or whoever) does
That is the difference from the muslims undertanding, for muslims are only concerned about the physical death and the material world, and they are totally clueless of the second death (of ‘dead in spirit’ like them) and the spiritual salvation through.......
Or maybe, just maybe, it's simply the case that you are clueless about what Islam teaches about eschatology and soteriology.

Just ponder for a second about how ridiculous the belief in God, particularly one that reveals stuff, is if it is not explicitly and implicitly attached to the concept of Salvation, defacto.

As for Islam's eschatology, there is a heaven and hell, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jannah
This is Islam 101, it's insane you don't know about it.

Just imagine believing that there is a God and believing that the ground is the end of everything, how many religions teach this? zero.

Believing in Jesus is irrelevant to the supposed conundrum which you have spewed up yourself. Jesus is salvation with extra strings attached. It is God = Salvation + belief in Jesus.
Judaism certainly doesn't need Jesus for salvation, that would be a fundamental contradiction in the nature of God itself (YHWH) as per Abrahamic tradition, Jewish or not.

All you have done is allude to one of the many endless problems with Christianity, the Christian salvation doctrine is fundamentally nonsense, essentially and categorically.
Sacrifice for salvation is an impossibility and an absurdity given all of the preceding Old Testament context. If the righteous people in the Old Testament go to heaven, then Jesus' sacrifice meant nothing. If people go to hell for rejecting Jesus in this life, then Jesus' sacrifice meant nothing. It is an impossible paradox. It could only be solved by some form of universalism wherein Jesus' 'sacrifice' liberates all of creation back to God henceforth making belief and disbelief irrelevant, which is of course a much despised view by most Christians (even in light of the 'problem of evil').
 






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You will find no verse in the Qur'aan that encourages its followers to kill woman and children. Killing non combatants in war is strictly prohibited. The Qur'aan has many verses prohibiting the pagan arabs from burying female infants alive yet the Bible supports killing woman and children. Here is the evidence.

1 Samuel 15.3. "Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel din opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, fbut kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey".

Christian author George Boyd has a book called God at War wherein he tries to defend this verse by saying that infants were killed because if they grew up they may worship demons and fall into idol worship. In others words the Bible supports terrorism and Christian authors are also in support of it and try to justify it the same way ISIS does.

And what did the sheep and camels do wrong??? Wow just wow.
You will find no verse in the Holy Bible that condones the killing of babies. The mere fact that it's in there does not mean that it is being taught as acceptable.

The quote from 1 Samuel 15:3 does not come close to condoning terrorism. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not a terrorist. He's God...I Am...and all of this is His Game and His Rules. Good enough for me.
 






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Or maybe, just maybe, it's simply the case that you are clueless about what Islam teaches about eschatology and soteriology.

Just ponder for a second about how ridiculous the belief in God, particularly one that reveals stuff, is if it is not explicitly and implicitly attached to the concept of Salvation, defacto.

As for Islam's eschatology, there is a heaven and hell, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jannah
This is Islam 101, it's insane you don't know about it.

Just imagine believing that there is a God and believing that the ground is the end of everything, how many religions teach this? zero.

Believing in Jesus is irrelevant to the supposed conundrum which you have spewed up yourself. Jesus is salvation with extra strings attached. It is God = Salvation + belief in Jesus.
Judaism certainly doesn't need Jesus for salvation, that would be a fundamental contradiction in the nature of God itself (YHWH) as per Abrahamic tradition, Jewish or not.

All you have done is allude to one of the many endless problems with Christianity, the Christian salvation doctrine is fundamentally nonsense, essentially and categorically.
Sacrifice for salvation is an impossibility and an absurdity given all of the preceding Old Testament context. If the righteous people in the Old Testament go to heaven, then Jesus' sacrifice meant nothing. If people go to hell for rejecting Jesus in this life, then Jesus' sacrifice meant nothing. It is an impossible paradox. It could only be solved by some form of universalism wherein Jesus' 'sacrifice' liberates all of creation back to God henceforth making belief and disbelief irrelevant, which is of course a much despised view by most Christians (even in light of the 'problem of evil').
Romans 1:22 - Professing to be wise, they become fools...
 






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Romans 1:22 - Professing to be wise, they become fools...
So after spewing ignorance and then struggling for over four days to reply to my post, you just reply with an ad hominem in the form of a new testament verse.
 






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You will find no verse in the Holy Bible that condones the killing of babies. The mere fact that it's in there does not mean that it is being taught as acceptable.

The quote from 1 Samuel 15:3 does not come close to condoning terrorism. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not a terrorist. He's God...I Am...and all of this is His Game and His Rules. Good enough for me.
Um....the verse says to kill babies. Not just one baby but any baby from that tribe. Sounds like terrorrism does it not? Also there are other verses that say to smash their heads against the rock and that the one who kills babies is blessed. If this is not terrrorism then there is no terrorism on the face of the Earth!
 






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So after spewing ignorance and then struggling for over four days to reply to my post, you just reply with an ad hominem in the form of a new testament verse.
The truth hurts doesnt it?

Hebrews 4:13 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and the intents of the heart.
 






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Um....the verse says to kill babies. Not just one baby but any baby from that tribe. Sounds like terrorrism does it not? Also there are other verses that say to smash their heads against the rock and that the one who kills babies is blessed. If this is not terrrorism then there is no terrorism on the face of the Earth!
Fair enough on the quote. But it's God's Universe - he can do what he wants. Take it up with him. To say that God is a "terrorist" is at best anachronistic.
 






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The truth hurts doesnt it?

Hebrews 4:13 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and the intents of the heart.
Arrogance is not a virtue.

You may be a smart aleck but quoting a random book from the new testament doesn't actually make you smart, virtuous, nor does it get you off the hook for spewing ignorance.
 






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Arrogance is not a virtue.

You may be a smart aleck but quoting a random book from the new testament doesn't actually make you smart, virtuous, nor does it get you off the hook for spewing ignorance.
Quoting wikipedia in regard to islam eschatology does not make you smart either... go and do more research and tell me the definitive eschatology of islam...good luck
 






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