The American “Coup d’etat”

[justjess]

No, i dont think it would be succesful. Yes, i think its the only option.

How is it even an option if it would fail? How does that even make sense? You have other options. We all do.

 

[Lyfe]

How is it even an option if it would fail? How does that even make sense? You have other options. We all do.

...options that are even moreso futile. Nothing is going to change. Talking about it or trying to raise awareness isnt going to do anything if that much hasnt been proven to toy yet. Those avenues have been exhausted.

 

[justjess]

...options that are even moreso futile. Nothing is going to change. Talking about it or trying to raise awareness isnt going to do anything if that much hasnt been proven to toy yet. Those avenues have been exhausted.

Engaging in a futile attempt to overthrow the government that you know is doomed to failure from the start isn’t much of an option. That’s literally unnecessary loss of life.

you have the option to divest yourself and your family to the fullest extent possible. That has not been taken from you. You only control your own house. If you don’t like the government and what it’s doing... disengage from it.

 

[Lyfe]

You can argue they didnt steal the election... I would say "fixed" is a more appropriate term and people having no say in and of itself of who represents them is more than enough justification for an ovethrow. 12 years of Bushes, 12 years of Obama(if you count Bidens upcoming 4).

I cant disengage from government by the way. Unless you have suggestions as to how and where i can go where i wont be influenced by those in power?

 

[vancityeagle]

I find most of that plausible, some more relevant than others. .

So you mostly agree with the observations I have made

So what in God's name are you doing non stop attacking me as some kind of "MSM agent" when you are agreeing mostly with the things they have claimed, and I have observed.

what is your problem exactly ?

 

[justjess]

You can argue they didnt steal the election... I would say "fixed" is a more appropriate term and people having no say in and of itself of who represents them is more than enough justification for an ovethrow. 12 years of Bushes, 12 years of Obama(if you count Bidens upcoming 4).

I cant disengage from government by the way. Unless you have suggestions as to how and where i can go where i wont be influenced by those in power?

Anybody can divest from the government. The only thing they can’t divest in is taxes and criminal law. What do you mean by influenced?

as for stealing or fixing the election..; there is no evidence of that. A bunch of people FEELING like they should have won doesn’t mean an election was stolen. And you didn’t have much of a voice even under trump if your being completely honest - he broke almost all his campaign promises

there’s no justification for an overthrow doomed to fail at everything other then costing people their lives.

 

[vancityeagle]

there’s no justification for an overthrow doomed to fail at everything other then costing people their lives.

but this was the agenda all along

to radicalize a base to agitate for civil war.

the predictive programming for civil war has been going on for years.

the "truth movement" which arouse out of John Birch Society propaganda has been trying to radicalize half of America to fight against the "corrupt liberal government" for over half a century. This goes way beyond Trump, Clinton or whomever.

This isn't about overthrowing elites, its about sowing CHAOS. Elites manipulating the division of the plebs. Not a new tactic by the way.

Why are people so foolish not to see this, which is so transparent.

So all the Qtards out there, go get angry that a billionaire elitist p***phile will not be president anymore, go out there and die for him.

did you all really get played that hard ? So called Truthers ?

 

[Lyfe]

Anybody can divest from the government. The only thing they can’t divest in is taxes and criminal law. What do you mean by influenced?

as for stealing or fixing the election..; there is no evidence of that. A bunch of people FEELING like they should have won doesn’t mean an election was stolen. And you didn’t have much of a voice even under trump if your being completely honest - he broke almost all his campaign promises

there’s no justification for an overthrow doomed to fail at everything other then costing people their lives.

Your serious?

Rex 84, Patriot Act, NDAA, Agenda 21

How am I able to live independently from just some of these? You do realize that in a state of national emergency you have no property and much of rural america is illegal to inhabit, basically forcing me into a city? You really think one is able to just escape and live independent from the influence of these people? They create pandemics and then make laws based off of fake information to give them more power. They initiate illegal wars and then make laws to strip me of certain rights. You been here on the VC for 10 years no? Where you been? Lets just say if I had been a small business owner in this pandemic. What say would I have to having my business forcibly shut down? You think you will be immune to the consequences of the next war Biden gets us into in the middle east? This website may not even exist if web censorship becomes a thing. Will that be a big deal?

...and Im not even going to debate you on the election integrity, but if you really believe that Biden becoming the democratic nominee wasnt FIXED then I dont know what to tell you.... Its just coincidence that Bush was in office for 12 years and how we get the VP of Obama giving him a total of 12 years in office.

There is more than justification for people to form a militia and overthrow the power and I am astonished you have been so desensitized in accepting it all that you cant see that. More than enough....

 

[Faker He-Man]

Section 230 gives websites that host third-party published information the right to censor speech that is usually protected under the 1st Amendment. Section 230 literally gives them the privilege to do something which would be unconstitutional if the censorship was done in any other circumstance.

uh nope. That’s not how it works at all.

 

[lightseeker]

So you mostly agree with the observations I have made

So what in God's name are you doing non stop attacking me as some kind of "MSM agent" when you are agreeing mostly with the things they have claimed, and I have observed.

what is your problem exactly ?

Maybe I was being an asshole.


Anyways I find this whole situation very strange and hyper real. I listened to a few podcasts today that helped me process it

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this is also interesting

 

[vancityeagle]

Well so far out of the "conspiracy community" only Webster Tarpley and The Antedote are calling January 6 events "a coup"

Everyone else seems to be some kind of denial or downplay

1. Hoax
2. It was Antifa
3. It was a setup to demonize Conservatives
4. It wasn't that big of a deal

 

[justjess]

Your serious?

Rex 84, Patriot Act, NDAA, Agenda 21

How am I able to live independently from just some of these? You do realize that in a state of national emergency you have no property and much of rural america is illegal to inhabit, basically forcing me into a city? You really think one is able to just escape and live independent from the influence of these people? They create pandemics and then make laws based off of fake information to give them more power. They initiate illegal wars and then make laws to strip me of certain rights. You been here on the VC for 10 years no? Where you been? Lets just say if I had been a small business owner in this pandemic. What say would I have to having my business forcibly shut down? You think you will be immune to the consequences of the next war Biden gets us into in the middle east? This website may not even exist if web censorship becomes a thing. Will that be a big deal?

...and Im not even going to debate you on the election integrity, but if you really believe that Biden becoming the democratic nominee wasnt FIXED then I dont know what to tell you.... Its just coincidence that Bush was in office for 12 years and how we get the VP of Obama giving him a total of 12 years in office.

There is more than justification for people to form a militia and overthrow the power and I am astonished you have been so desensitized in accepting it all that you cant see that. More than enough....

There is ZERO justification for engaging in acts that will cost people their lives and won’t succeed in their ultimate goal. That is just a general statement that applies to this but also to more then this. Jesus didn’t say to overthrow the corrupt governments did he?

Biden becoming the nominee may have been fixed idk. I think it was more that people are scared of socialism and the DNC successfully branded any other possible candidate as one. Biden winning the election is a different story. You have millions of people who would have voted for a paper bag to get rid of trump, including republicans. If there was fraud they would have found it. They didn’t.

you choose how much you engage in the system. The Amish have been successfully divested from it this whole time. There are only very limited circumstances and situations where this doesn’t apply.

 

[vancityeagle]

Maybe I was being an asshole.

we all can be at times.

Anyways I find this whole situation very strange and hyper real. I listened to a few podcasts today that helped me process it

it is very strange and it is hyper real.

I dont really want to waste time listening to Adam Green and Richard Spencer but tell me if my guess about what they say is wrong.

Adam Green : set up to demonize conservatives and call us terrorists

Richard Spencer : We have these elites terrified, we need more of this "patriotism"

what is their synopsis ?

Funny enough know more News uses the same 3triangle symbol that Viking Qanon man has tatooed to his chest.

this is also interesting
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how does that differ from

Bush pardonning Iran contra criminals

or Trump pardonning Zionist real estate criminals and convicted war criminals

well the person Clinton pardoned actually spent 58 years in prison, so she actually served time for her crimes.

 

[lightseeker]

Adam Green : set up to demonize conservatives and call us terrorists

Richard Spencer : We have these elites terrified, we need more of this "patriotism"

what is their synopsis ?

Wrong on both, Spencer’s analysis is essentially the same as yours, not a word of a lie, and that these people will be railroaded 10x harder than the Charlottesville people, which was pretty hard. It was a pretty good stream and I don’t usually like spencer.Adam green I haven’t watched the whole stream yet, but that this is playing into the zionist hands, q is a Zionist trap etc.

how does that differ from

Bush pardonning Iran contra criminals

or Trump pardonning Zionist real estate criminals and convicted war criminals

it doesn’t but the fact that she’s now essentially a chair person for blm is the crux.

 

[Lyfe]

There is ZERO justification for engaging in acts that will cost people their lives and won’t succeed in their ultimate goal. That is just a general statement that applies to this but also to more then this. Jesus didn’t say to overthrow the corrupt governments did he?

Biden becoming the nominee may have been fixed idk. I think it was more that people are scared of socialism and the DNC successfully branded any other possible candidate as one. Biden winning the election is a different story. You have millions of people who would have voted for a paper bag to get rid of trump, including republicans. If there was fraud they would have found it. They didn’t.

you choose how much you engage in the system. The Amish have been successfully divested from it this whole time. There are only very limited circumstances and situations where this doesn’t apply.

I think your being naïve and idealistic. Rallies and handing out fliers isnt going to do anything so to suggest means other than ousting government is somehow more legit and realistic is delusion. If you cant see that is what it will boil down to and think there is somehow a more efficient and realistic alternative then you are deceiving yourself. Militias have always been formed because of this and those going to the trouble of rallying tangible ones now atleast have the foresight to see this inevitability. They see that this is what its going to come down to and the elite wont stop until you and your family are part of a future as impoverished and imprisoned individuals(in a welfare society in perpetual lockdown where you are dependent on government for your next loaf of bread). Give me any other idea and I can point out how unrealistic it is if not moreso.

 

[Artful Revealer]

You have previously stated you had zero problem with an authoritarian government under trump. Trump is trying to stay in power despite being voted out - doesn’t get more authoritarian then that. Contrary to your deeply held belief that he actually won, he did not. The majority of America voted him out. Trying to subvert the will of the people is authoritarian. I’m sorry. You again have little problem with this because for some reason you think the ends justify the means. He says things you like and you think you are some objective holder of sacred truths so you think keeping him in power by any means necessary is a ok. It’s not.

if you aren’t denying this was committed by trump supporters but you don’t think it was an attempted coup then what exactly do you think it was? People storming the Capitol with weapons and blueprints and zip ties after announcing their desire to kill all the “commie” politicians and being granted entry by the law enforcement in charge of protecting those politicians while the president delayed sending in reinforcement can be classified as what exactly?

A sting op. I thought I’ve already made that point several times?

 

[Artful Revealer]

Trump is on phone trying to bully a secretary general to "find him votes"

Not what happened at all. You didn’t listen to the integral phone call, did you?

 

[Artful Revealer]

but thats just it it can't be both.

It can't be an op to snatch laptops but then also an op to "demonize trumpers"

No one knows if the laptop snatching was planned, but regardless, it could be that the corrupt regime used agents provocateurs to give MAGA bad pr and simultaneously it could be that the patriots used the opportunity to expose the fraud certifiers and confiscate evidence during the distraction. It’s not necessarily an either-or situation. What no one should doubt however, is that the corrupt regime has been panicking and severely overreacting since that day.

Again, we’re looking at military strategy, not a political boxing match.

 

[Faker He-Man]

Section 230 gives websites that host third-party published information the right to censor speech that is usually protected under the 1st Amendment. Section 230 literally gives them the privilege to do something which would be unconstitutional if the censorship was done in any other circumstance. The problem with social media like Twitter and Facebook is that they have presented themselves as a platform for everyone, but that their rules don't apply to everyone. If they start censoring discriminately by loose interpretations of their own rules, then they are behaving like a publisher and oughta be accountable for the content they do not censor just as for example the Washington Post would be accountable for whatever gets published on their website, be it from a journalist, reporter or a columnist.

What I meant was that they can hide behind Section 230 for their obvious discriminatory censorship and should be deprived of that right as long as that discrimination continues. It's kinda too late for that though.

Just to clarify, it cannot possibly ever be a first amendment issue unless it’s on a publicly-owned website. Social media etc are privately-owned.

 

[Artful Revealer]

uh nope. That’s not how it works at all.

Section 230 - Wikipedia

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The statute in Section 230(c)(2) further provides "Good Samaritan" protection from civil liability for operators of interactive computer services in the removal or moderation of third-party material they deem obscene or offensive, even of constitutionally protected speech, as long as it is done in good faith.