The American “Coup d’etat”

[lightseeker]

so what do you disagree with below

a) Trump incited the rioters
b) Trump purged the DOD weeks ago, and they handicapped and stalled the National guard to respond on Jan 6
c) The rioters who broke into Capitol Hill were a mix of Qanon, Trumpists, and white supremacists who all believe the election was stolen
d) a Section of Trump's base is deranged and violent and this is a problem
e) Some police let rioters in
f) Some ex police and ex military were amongst rioters
g) Republican politicians were amongst the rioters

I find most of that plausible, some more relevant than others. First of all, the white nationalists haven’t supported trump since 2017, they generally agree with you about him. 3%ers, America first, all these amnat movements are not racialist so sorry to steal your thunder there.
i don’t think trump planned this out a long time in advance, such as handicapping the national guard. I think they thought this would be like one of the other maga rally’s at the capital from the last few months.
the group did have a sanctioned parade route, when you see the video of the cops opening a gate for them, this wasn’t them letting them into the capital. I don’t know how they got in, I imagine the cops were very much not ok when it got to that actually. I’d have to hear from someone who was there.
i don’t think republican politicians were among the rioters just because I haven’t seen any reason to believe that.

anyways what I don’t think you guys get is that the state is going to come down on these people harder than any single person from the blm riots last year. They are already arresting people for simply being in attendance. And the charges are going to be massive, far reaching, they are going to go through all of their discord chats, social media chats, and everything will be used against them. It won’t be like leftist activists who get money from Pepsi to get them out and New York lawyers working around the clock to help them. So you should relax, the state and corporate power is on your side, they are working with you here.

 

[justjess]

Again you go there. Why authoritarian? Who said authoritarian? What exactly about Trump's nationalism is authoritarian? Have I been advocating authoritarianism? If not, why act like I did? Nationalism and authoritarianism can live independently from each other.

It's not your position towards Donald Trump, it's your position towards USA flag-waving people vs USA flag-burning goblins who hide behind masks.

Even in the proper context, for instance the US election, you can see the difference. Just watch the gray mass outside the White House when Biden was announced winner:

Where's the red, white and blue? It's not there because we're dealing with a brainwashed group of people that has learned to hate their country and has instead learned and embraced the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit (see E. Michael Jones) to love the insurrection against the social and natural order.

I've followed too many colour revolutions and foreign-funded insurrections to distinguish true patriots from proxies who generally, in true authoritarian fashion (which is what we're seeing now with the crackdown on Trumpers with the full blessings of many liberals), want to impose their politics and ideology over the population.

You have previously stated you had zero problem with an authoritarian government under trump. Trump is trying to stay in power despite being voted out - doesn’t get more authoritarian then that. Contrary to your deeply held belief that he actually won, he did not. The majority of America voted him out. Trying to subvert the will of the people is authoritarian. I’m sorry. You again have little problem with this because for some reason you think the ends justify the means. He says things you like and you think you are some objective holder of sacred truths so you think keeping him in power by any means necessary is a ok. It’s not.

if you aren’t denying this was committed by trump supporters but you don’t think it was an attempted coup then what exactly do you think it was? People storming the Capitol with weapons and blueprints and zip ties after announcing their desire to kill all the “commie” politicians and being granted entry by the law enforcement in charge of protecting those politicians while the president delayed sending in reinforcement can be classified as what exactly?

 

[vancityeagle]

They have stolen Trump's election.

Stealing an election is authoritarian.

Standing up to the authoritarian steal of a democratic election is anti-authoritarian.

See how that goes?

Trump is on phone trying to bully a secretary general to "find him votes"

That is textbook authoritarianism. So is trying to circumvent all the legal decisions against him.

Trump is a textbook authoritarian. Or a wannabe at least.

 

[justjess]

I find all of that plausible, some more relevant than others. First of all, the white nationalists haven’t supported trump since 2017, they generally agree with you about him. 3%ers, America first, all these amnat movements are not racialist so sorry to steal your thunder there.
i don’t think trump planned this out a long time in advance, such as handicapping the national guard. I think they thought this would be like one of the other maga rally’s at the capital from the last few months.
the group did have a sanctioned parade route, when you see the video of the cops opening a gate for them, this wasn’t them letting them into the capital. I don’t know how they got in, I imagine the cops were very much not ok when it got to that actually. I’d have to hear from someone who was there.
i don’t think republican politicians were among the rioters just because I haven’t seen any reason to believe that.

anyways what I don’t think you guys get is that the state is going to come down on these people harder than any single person from the blm riots last year. They are already arresting people for simply being in attendance. And the charges are going to be massive, far reaching, they are going to go through all of their discord chats, social media chats, and everything will be used against them. It won’t be like leftist activists who get money from Pepsi to get them out and New York lawyers working around the clock to help them. So you should relax, the state and corporate power is on your side, they are working with you here.

Republican politicians were there, live streamed themselves storming in, and some have since resigned.

Video Shows Newly Elected W.Va. Lawmaker Among Mob That Stormed The U.S. Capitol

West Virginia Del. Derrick Evans, sworn in last month, was seen in a since-deleted video entering the building. It is unclear whether Evans will face disciplinary action from fellow state lawmakers.

www.npr.org

At least 6 GOP legislators took part in Trump-inspired protests

At least six Republican state legislators from across the nation participated in events surrounding the attempted insurrection at the United States Capitol on Wednesday.News reports and social medi…

thehill.com

Also - if they come down on them harder it is a direct result of the laws and policies that trump implemented himself to deal with “antifa”

getting that double agent feeling yet?

 

[justjess]

Like sheep being led to the slaughter...

 

[lightseeker]

Republican politicians were there, live streamed themselves storming in, and some have since resigned.

Video Shows Newly Elected W.Va. Lawmaker Among Mob That Stormed The U.S. Capitol

West Virginia Del. Derrick Evans, sworn in last month, was seen in a since-deleted video entering the building. It is unclear whether Evans will face disciplinary action from fellow state lawmakers.

www.npr.org

At least 6 GOP legislators took part in Trump-inspired protests

At least six Republican state legislators from across the nation participated in events surrounding the attempted insurrection at the United States Capitol on Wednesday.News reports and social medi…

thehill.com

LOL yeah I think that shows none of these people really knew what they were doing. Or they thought stupidly that they would have state backing, or just how normalized violence became after the blm riots being justified by all politicians and figureheads.

 

[vancityeagle]

if you aren’t denying this was committed by trump supporters but you don’t think it was an attempted coup then what exactly do you think it was? People storming the Capitol with weapons and blueprints and zip ties after announcing their desire to kill all the “commie” politicians and being granted entry by the law enforcement in charge of protecting those politicians while the president delayed sending in reinforcement can be classified as what exactly?

This is where these people become completely delusional and just try to make up any garbage that suits their narrative.

THE DEMS MADE THEM DO IT.

THE DEMS MADE THEM ACT CRAZY.

THE DEMS MADE THEM BREAK THE LAW.

THE DEMS MADE THE CLIMB THE WALLS TO GET INSIDE.

THE DEMS MADE THEM KILL THE COP.

THE DEMS MADE THEM BRING IN ZIPTIES.

and before this remember they tried this one

ANTIFA WAS BUSED IN AND DRESSED UP AS MAGA.

These people are delusional, completely , utterly delusional.

 

[justjess]

LOL yeah I think that shows none of these people really knew what they were doing. Or they thought stupidly that they would have state backing, or just how normalized violence became after the blm riots being justified by all politicians and figureheads.

they thought they would prevail in their mission. And history would shine brightly on them for playing their part.

you can’t blame the blm riots for violence being normalized in america. We live in a war culture. Violence has been more then normalized, it’s been glorified - for decades if not longer.

 

[lightseeker]

you can’t blame the blm riots for violence being normalized in america. We live in a war culture. Violence has been more then normalized, it’s been glorified - for decades if not longer.

I think you could accurately say that BLM has done more to normalize violence than any other single entity in the last 30 years minimum

 

[justjess]

I think you could accurately say that BLM has done more to normalize violence than any other single entity in the last 30 years minimum

Nah I’d give that honor to the military and the twenty year war we’ve been engaged in on behalf of Israel.

 

[justjess]

This is where these people become completely delusional and just try to make up any garbage that suits their narrative.

THE DEMS MADE THEM DO IT.

THE DEMS MADE THEM ACT CRAZY.

THE DEMS MADE THEM BREAK THE LAW.

THE DEMS MADE THEM KILL THE COP.

THE DEMS MADE THEM BRING IN ZIPTIES.

and before this remember they tried this one

ANTIFA WAS BUSED IN AND DRESSED UP AS MAGA.

These people are delusional, completely , utterly delusional.

I’m pretty sure he believes this was a covert op to snatch the laptops and find the evidence the election was stolen and all politicians are actually members of a devil worshipping pedophiliac cabal. They used idiots dressed up like goats to distract from the real purpose.

which is incredibly unlikely but if by some miracle turns out to be true they could do us all a favor and just get around to releasing that information and proof any minute now... even true believers are getting tired waiting on it.

 

[vancityeagle]

Nah I’d give that honor to the military and the twenty year war we’ve been engaged in on behalf of Israel.

and of course Trump making heroes of them, demanding Colin Kaepernick doesn't "disrespect them" and then pardoning the ones who were convicted of massacring civilians.

 

[vancityeagle]

I’m pretty sure he believes this was a covert op to snatch the laptops and find the evidence the election was stolen and all politicians are actually members of a devil worshipping pedophiliac cabal. They used idiots dressed up like goats to distract from the real purpose.

which is incredibly unlikely but if by some miracle turns out to be true they could do us all a favor and just get around to releasing that information and proof any minute now... even true believers are getting tired waiting on it.

but thats just it it can't be both.

It can't be an op to snatch laptops but then also an op to "demonize trumpers"

They can't stick with a story based on facts, just anything that gains traction that supports the narrative.

Thats been the case this past 4 years.

 

[Lyfe]

You do realize that according to the media this would probably be consudered an alt right website and by default you would be instantly categorized as pro trump right? Everything related to conspiracy theory nowadays is presented as fringe and dangerous alt right. Imagine your name coming up on the news as being right wing Trump supporter.. Alt right and right wing is the new buzzword for potential domestic terrorist. So many here fight against the idea of dangerous right wingers when the same people are dangerous by default according to the media just by being here. Makes no sense

 

[Lyfe]

but thats just it it can't be both.

It can't be an op to snatch laptops but then also an op to "demonize trumpers"

They can't stick with a story based on facts, just anything that gains traction that supports the narrative.

Thats been the case this past 4 years.

...says a dangerous conspiracy theorist on an alt right website that believes in dsngerous conspiracy theorists like 911 was an inside job.

 

[justjess]

You do realize that according to the media this would probably be consudered an alt right website and by default you would be instantly categorized as pro trump right? Everything related to conspiracy theory nowadays is presented as fringe and dangerous alt right. Imagine your name coming up on the news as being right wing Trump supporter.. Alt right and right wing is the new buzzword for potential domestic terrorist. So many here fight against the idea of dangerous right wingers when the same people are dangerous by default according to the media just by being here. Makes no sense

This site is considered a right wing website actually lol. It is what it is. It’s been that way a long time. We have always been somewhat concerned about membership on this site leading to something bad down the line (by we I mean most of the posters here at one time or another atleast the long term ones). A couple months ago liberals were being framed as terrorists. Now it’s liberals and trumpers. Both sides hold some of the blame for their own situation themselves. That situation doesn’t mean there are actually dangerous leftists and dangerous trumpers out there. Both exist. Add in a messianic conspiracy theory that charges people with saving children from pedophiles though and the potential for actual real grand scale violence escalates.

 

[justjess]

...says a dangerous conspiracy theorist on an alt right website that believes in dsngerous conspiracy theorists like 911 was an inside job.

He isn’t wrong. You can’t say MAGA people did this to steal the laptops and then say Democrat’s set them up to demonize them. Both can’t exist together. You have to choose one.

if they engaged in the actions of their own accord for whatever reason - THEY DEMONIZED THEMSELVES. Democrats and Silicon Valley can drive that home for their own political gain but they still handed them the ammunition THEMSELVES. This is why I told the leftists to abort the protests over the summer - it was a trap.

 

[Lyfe]

Only thing left to do is to physically overthrow government and that could only happen through an armed militia. Its really the only option left, yet it will be seen as terrorism. There are no other realistic or feasible alternstives. Most of the nation consists of pacified and ignorant liberal zombies under the impression the nation is about to get back on track. They cant see the tyranny to come so of course they will scream terrorism cause they are too comatose to see the country is about to enter into a new age of welfare state and lockdown tyranny.

 

[justjess]

Only thing left to do is to physically overthrow government and that could only happen through an armed militia. Its really the only option left, yet it will be seen as terrorism. There are no other realistic or feasible alternstives. Most of the nation consists of pacified and ignorant liberal zombies under the impression the nation is about to get back on track. They cant see the tyranny to come so of course they will scream terrorism cause they are too comatose to see the country is about to enter into a new age of welfare state and lockdown tyranny.

You honestly think you will be successful at forcefully overthrowing the United States government? You think it’s worth it even if possible - the sheer loss of life that would occur - to avoid your taxes going to help feed someone? This is really the best option you can come up with here?

I will point out I gave you another option - a whole thread which is a rare occurrence for me to create an actual thread - on divesting from the system. Literally none of the people here clamoring to overthrow the government bothered to comment in it.

 

[Lyfe]

You honestly think you will be successful at forcefully overthrowing the United States government? You think it’s worth it even if possible - the sheer loss of life that would occur - to avoid your taxes going to help feed someone? This is really the best option you can come up with here?

No, i dont think it would be succesful. Yes, i think its the only option.