So.. September 23.

[Todd]

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Lol yeah right.

Lmao "policy announcements"

Who knew the world's problems could be solved with emails, tweets, petition signatures and phone calls?

 

[Todd]

I know, right? It's stupid. The prophecies must be fulfilled be4 the shit hits the fan, so to speak. And this is another prophecy, so we're getting closer by the minute. It's five to twelve, ppl!

Yeah right....people been saying it's five to twleve for almost 2000 years!

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Yeah right....people been saying it's five to twleve for almost 2000 years!

Perhaps it is becoming increasingly fashionable to say "where is the promise of his coming" - read that might happen in an old book once...

Btw - interesting points in this one on coming as a thief in the night..

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Yeah right....people been saying it's five to twleve for almost 2000 years!

Sorry for being facetious! Seriously though Todd, as you state elsewhere that you are a Christian, what circumstances or general world conditions are you looking out for that, if you saw them, would lead you to think we were in the end times?

 

[Todd]

Sorry for being facetious! Seriously though Todd, as you state elsewhere that you are a Christian, what circumstances or general world conditions are you looking out for that, if you saw them, would lead you to think we were in the end times?

The fall of babylon....i.e. the judgement of the institutional church. Judgement always starts with the house of God.

God is more interested in the church then the systems of the world. Trying to predict the coming of Christ by geo-political events is an excercise in futility.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

The fall of babylon....i.e. the judgement of the institutional church. Judgement always starts with the house of God.

God is more interested in the church then the systems of the world. Trying to predict the coming of Christ by geo-political events is an excercise in futility.

I guess Jesus was having an off day in Matthew 24 then?

 

[justjess]

yeah well, many of us want this to happen. maybe you have such an incredible life that you are scared to leave? Well, the bible states that we should not love this world because everything in this world is of satan and not god. And I for one, sure hate it! So bring on the signs!

The world isnt going to end. Not on september 23rd (nothing will happen on september 23rd) or any other day that anyone predicts or that - most likely - any of us will be alive for.

If this worlds so horrible and you are so anxious for the end why dont you just kill yourself rather than praying for the rest og us to die with you?

 

[grateful servant]

If this worlds so horrible and you are so anxious for the end why dont you just kill yourself rather than praying for the rest og us to die with you?

Ouch. Is anyone else seeing these huge sponsored content videos in the threads? Annoying.

 

[Todd]

I guess Jesus was having an off day in Matthew 24 then?

Well much of what Jesus described in Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70AD, so yeah he was spot on in describing the end of the age of Israel and the beginning of the age of the Church. All the other stuff that Jesus is talking about, famine, war, false messiahs, earthquakes, i.e. the birth pains, have been continually happening for 2000 years.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Well much of what Jesus described in Matthew 24 was fulfilled in 70AD, so yeah he was spot on in describing the end of the age of Israel and the beginning of the age of the Church. All the other stuff that Jesus is talking about, famine, war, false messiahs, earthquakes, i.e. the birth pains, have been continually happening for 2000 years.

Would I be right in saying you were a preterist then, Todd?

 

[Todd]

Would I be right in saying you were a preterist then, Todd?

No, I am not a preterist. I don't like labels that put theology or doctrine in a box. I agree with some preterist concepts and I agree with other concepts from other theological "labels". Most prophecies in scripture have multiple fulfillments, so I leave open all possibilities. I also subscribe to the philosophy that most prophecies aren't fully understand until after they are fulfilled. So I am leary of any teaching that purports to know or tries to predict exactly how prophecies are going to be fulfilled in the future.

I agree with some preterist concepts because, in hindsight, it is clear to me that some of things Jesus said in Matthew 24 were perfect descriptions of what happened in 70AD. Does that mean I think Matthew 24 has nothing to do with events that are going to occur at the end of this age? No, it doesn't....

 

[Faker He-Man]

@Faker He-Man ...

Lol! It does all sound rather implausible!!!!! I guess if you take out the idea of a real God, and dismiss as a fanciful idea "Christ as died, Christ I see risen, Christ will come again", you can see the Bible through a far more knowing lens. Virgin birth, Red Sea parting, that silly story of Noah and God judging the world with the flood. Man - these Christians believe some unscientific garbage!

How out of step with our modern understanding of a self-creating universe where an infinite amount of nothing explodes...

I'm not sure where this came from. I was only commenting on the "many of us WANT this to happen" comment. Fear-porn for doom-worshiping cuckoo clocks. Just my opinion, no offense.

anyway.. no worries, I'm not bothered by what others choose to believe. Religious folks are generally so preoccupied with literal meaning that they aren't aware of the value of applying the actual metaphors and archetypes to the ego-self, so instead of using religion internally for self-improvement and self-actualization, they remain focused on outward validation for their beliefs, even going as far as freely choosing to worship unethical and tyrannical alien gods (some of the old testament gods for example.. yes godS plural. the stories do not all refer to a singular entity as many people assume). Only negative entities demand servitude and ritual, this is basic old-school metaphysics and demonology. The positive ones are able to intervene but do not, simply out of respect and acknowledgment of our individual free will.

There's a saying "be careful what you wish for".. your future is structured solely upon your beliefs, nothing else. Change your beliefs, and your future changes accordingly (your past actually changes too, weird eh? the only thing that remains constant is the present moment, but this is a whole other discussion that I don't want to get into here). The results of experiments in quantum mechanics all point to these universal truths. There is no religion on the planet which has not been intentionally corrupted by negative entities/aliens who understand that if you can create enough fear, humans tend to choose their own mental slavery instead of pursuing a more holistic/metaphysical/magical approach which would dissolve the illusion of fear via discovery and removal of the associated beliefs.

 

[Vixy]

Yeah right....people been saying it's five to twleve for almost 2000 years!

Yeeeah..let me ask you something: Have there ever been over 100 ongoing conflicts in the world, at the same time? While earthquakes, floodings, massdeath of animals, crime the rate it is now and so on?

Did teens used to roar at their parents back in the 50's? Has there ever been fully sighted drug sales on the streets, people openly mocking the police and every other thing we have?

You REALLY think this is normal?

 

[Vixy]

I guess Jesus was having an off day in Matthew 24 then?

Good one, Sky! *brofist*

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Something that as come to my attention in the last week is Psalm 102...

Bearing in mind the experience of the Jews in Nazi Germany, followed by the establishment of the state of Israel, I wonder what others might make of this?

1{A Prayer of the afflicted, when he is overwhelmed, and poureth out his complaint before the LORD.} Hear my prayer, O LORD, and let my cry come unto thee.

2Hide not thy face from me in the day when I am in trouble; incline thine ear unto me: in the day whenI call answer me speedily.

3For my days are consumed like smoke, and my bones are burned as an hearth.

4My heart is smitten, and withered like grass; so that I forget to eat my bread.

5By reason of the voice of my groaning my bones cleave to my skin.

6I am like a pelican of the wilderness: I am like an owl of the desert.

7I watch, and am as a sparrow alone upon the house top.

8Mine enemies reproach me all the day; and they that are mad against me are sworn against me.

9For I have eaten ashes like bread, and mingled my drink with weeping,

10Because of thine indignation and thy wrath: for thou hast lifted me up, and cast me down.

11My days are like a shadow that declineth; and I am withered like grass.

12But thou, O LORD, shalt endure for ever; and thy remembrance unto all generations.

13Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time, is come.

14For thy servants take pleasure in her stones, and favour the dust thereof.

15So the heathen shall fear the name of the LORD, and all the kings of the earth thy glory.

16When the LORD shall build up Zion, he shall appear in his glory.

17He will regard the prayer of the destitute, and not despise their prayer.

18This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.

19For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth;

20To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death;

21To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, and his praise in Jerusalem;

I highlighed the above world because they are the same word translated elsewhere as "The Last".

From v 18

’a·ḥă·rō·wn;
אַחֲר֑וֹן
to come

From Isaiah 44:6

’a·ḥă·rō·wn,
אַחֲר֔וֹן
the last

I leave people to draw their own conclusions on this passage...

 

[Todd]

Yeeeah..let me ask you something: Have there ever been over 100 ongoing conflicts in the world, at the same time? While earthquakes, floodings, massdeath of animals, crime the rate it is now and so on?

Did teens used to roar at their parents back in the 50's? Has there ever been fully sighted drug sales on the streets, people openly mocking the police and every other thing we have?

You REALLY think this is normal?

Normal compared to what?
It only seems worse because our culture and media throw it in our face and glorify it.

 

[UnspokenSoliloquy]

I watched a video on it, apparently, September 23 is supposed to coincide with a Prophesy from Revelations, apparently it's really a sign for the Tribe of Israel as a signal to them, it's also based on the prophesy in Isaiah 66. Here's the video:

 

[lamb]

it's really interesting to see everything lining up. even if everyone lives past that day i still believe prophecy is being fulfilled in our times... and i don't want to be a part of it (unfortunately not something i can decide)

they put up the arch of baal in ny too. and with walmart shutting down unexpectedly and putting up fences and watchtowers something's up. (at 5:22 youtu.be/VWdbozEn5wQ?t=322) idk i kinda believe the true israelites are the black africans in america and america is the modern babylon. people calling evil good and good evil... personally i interpret it as the lgbt, transgender, pro choice thing pushed onto us so suddenly. modern idolatry can be all the celebrities and with the corruption of the roman catholic church... i can elaborate more if someone asks but i wonder if all these signs are truly coincidence or prophecy

something else that can be a stretch is that the eclipse in august starts in salem- like jerusalem? just a possibility. there is also supposed to be a meteor shower and the 23rd is 2 days after the feast of trumpets and is on the 7th day of our calendar (true sabbath...?) i think the 21st is the national day of peace too. the blood moons happened only a couple years ago and i have a feeling that these all can't be coincidences (combined with the rarity of the rev 12 sign only several years apart)

who knows when the tribulation will start though. even if nothing happens that day we should still be aware to the signs and prophecy because signs point that it can be happening in our time. esp after the technology revolution and new social movements like lgbt, pro choice, corrupt media + shows, etc etc
i really hope that this is coincidence because the tribulation is going to be worse than anything in history... like the flood of noah but with fire and plagues and destruction and deception yikes it's too scary no thank you

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@UnspokenSoliloquy

You draw out a very good point on who this might be a sign to. I agree that it may well be primarily directed at Israel. I just read a very interesting article on Isaiah 66 and Revelation 12.

Signs of the End - Revelation 12 – The Sign for Israel

"Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth"
–Revelation 12:1-2 NKJV

"Before she was in labor, she gave birth; Before her pain came, She delivered a male child."
–Isaiah 66:7 NKJV‬ ‬

This then is the paradox. The Male-Child born and taken in Revelation 12:5 was understood in the light of Isaiah 66:7 since John referred to it. The huios-arsen and teknon (the corporate body) in Revelation 12:5 are to be born before pain and labor. However, according to Revelation 12:1-2, the child there will be born after the labor and pain felt by the Woman. Therefore, they cannot be one and the same.

One child is born before labor and one is born after. Clearly John knows the context of Isaiah 66 and knowing it sheds light on this disparity. Before she was in labor, she gave birth; Before her pain came, She delivered a male child. Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion was in labor, She gave birth to her children. --Isaiah 66:7-8 NKJV

The key here is at the very end, “she gave birth to her children.” In Isaiah 66 there is the plurality of children and not just one child. For the Woman in Revelation 12:1 to be in labor and in pain and still pregnant means the Male-Child must have been born already before the pain and labor began. The first child born is the Male-Child whose birth started with Christ and ends with the Rapture (harpazo) of the completed Body of Christ before the Tribulation. The child of Revelation 12:1-2 is the child to be born with the pain of labor (Tribulation). The Male-Child is not alone because there were children according to Isaiah 66, but even Revelation 12 makes this clear. Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child…and the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” --Revelation 12:13, 17 NKJV‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

In other words, after the first birth which involved the Male-Child, the dragon will make war with the Woman (Israel) and her offspring. The Male-Child came before the labor (Tribulation) and taken to the throne of God (Revelation 4-5) and then there is offspring born under the pain of labor. Therefore, the Sign of the Woman in the Heavens under duress (Revelation 12:1-2) is a sign of Israel pregnant with her ensuing offspring that are born in labor (saved Gentiles from the Tribulation). This seems to be the only way to harmonize Revelation 12 and Isaiah 66 by keeping the illustration consistent.

The Sign of the Woman on September 23, 2017 is therefore a sign to Israel. This means the birth of the Male-Child (Body of Christ) and its harpazo to heaven must come before this time as the Church and Israel are separate dispensations. With the Feast of Trumpets two days before the Sign of the Woman, it would seem appropriate timing for the Rapture of the Church at this time of the Last Trump. Therefore, Israel gave birth to the Body of Christ and then the Body of Christ departs to heaven with the resumption of Israel and her tribulation yielding more offspring (Gentiles)–they both will be saved except for those who have sided with the Dragon.

Many have asked if seeing the Sign of the Woman will be possible because of the sun. The truth is we cannot see the whole sign because the sun and the atmosphere will not allow it. However, if we are raptured before this sign, then it is a moot point unless we will be like John who observed the sign from heaven without the glow of the interfering atmosphere. That would be an incredible sight and maybe we will see it.

The Sign of the Woman also coincides with the Sabbath of Return–Shabbat Shuvah. This special Sabbath is observed since it falls between Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets) and Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement). How fitting for this sign to coincide for the need of Israel to return and repent. Scripture readings for the Jews on September 23, 2017 will be: Hosea 14:2-10; Micah 7:18-20; Joel 2:15-27, & Deuteronomy 32.

If the Rapture of the Church has just occurred a few days before, the world will be plunged into darkness and it will be Israel who will be looking for the light. This coming Sabbath of Return will probably be a turning point indeed and the Sign of the Woman is the icing on the cake.

Source

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I have an Atheist friend of many years and from time to time he posts up stuff of Facebook to bait Christians... one that particularly stood out to me was a popular meme by Ricky Gervais.



Quite witty, I thought, but also very enlightening about human nature which seems to think that if it can manage to scoff, mock or say something clever about an idea it is not keen on, that it has in some way settled the matter!!!!

I see the dilemma of those wo are not Christians on the question of unique events like the Rapture of the Church - we must sound crazy!

We are giving either veiled or explicit warnings about the need to get right with a God you don't believe in, through the work of a Son who you might feel the Bible has embellished.

The dilemma for the Christian is that they do believe that Jesus will one day judge the world, and that we might not be here to say anything helpful to those who are left behind. I don't think any of us would want our worst enemies to go into such a period of the Earth's history.

@justjess - you make a good point about it not being the 'end of the world'. I think the sheer quantity of dystopian movies that have come out recently colour in the imaginations of what 'Apocalyptic' means. As a metaphor it might be better to view it more like the forthcoming solar eclipse - a sudden period of darkness coming, confusion, time passing, then an ultimate return of the Sun.

There might be a lot of wisdom about the Lords return in some of the words of Shakespeare.

Hamlet says the following in Act 5, Scene 2:

"There's a special providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now, tis not to come, if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come. The readiness is all."

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