Peace in the Middle East

Stucky

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@Stucky, can you explain your question about whether a Jewish state will be imposed on UAE and Bahrain “like it has on the Palestinians”?
Why is it that a guy who is intelligent on various topics has such a hard time understanding a basic Q?

Here's my Q again.

Serious question. Have the UAE and Bahrain accepted Israel as a "Jewish state" Or is that something that is only to be imposed on the Palestinians?

I'll assume you know that Israel's demands/pre conditions on the Palestinians is that they MUST recognise Israel as a 'Jewish State' As seen from bibi's quotes they (zionists) demand and insist this is the case for 'peace in the region'

So i'm asking if the UAE and Bahrain have accepted Israel as a 'Jewish State' Or is it only the Palestinians who HAVE TO recognise Israel as a 'Jewish State'

And also keep in mind that the PLO had already accepted Israel's right to exist as can be seen by following the link

The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.

Is that any clearer to you?
 






Thunderian

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Why is it that a guy who is intelligent on various topics has such a hard time understanding a basic Q?

Here's my Q again.

Serious question. Have the UAE and Bahrain accepted Israel as a "Jewish state" Or is that something that is only to be imposed on the Palestinians?
I answered the first question in my first reply to you, and you didn't like my answer then, so I don't know why you'd like it now, but here it is again. Any country that establishes or normalizes a relationship with Israel is by definition accepting it as a Jewish state.

It's not being imposed on the Palestinians, but if they want to have a peaceful relationship with Israel, they have to accept Israel as every other nation in the world that has relations with Israel has. Nations don't get to dictate how other nations identify themselves, do they?

I'll assume you know that Israel's demands/pre conditions on the Palestinians is that they MUST recognise Israel as a 'Jewish State' As seen from bibi's quotes they (zionists) demand and insist this is the case for 'peace in the region'
I think the question I'd like to see you answer is, Why do you feel it's a problem for Israel to call itself a Jewish state, and why would it be a problem, in your opinion, for the Palestinians to recognize it as such?

And also keep in mind that the PLO had already accepted Israel's right to exist as can be seen by following the link

The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.
Yes, that "recognition" gets withdrawn pretty regularly, but I'm sure you know that, so something more concrete might be needed to take their "recognition" seriously.
 






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I answered the first question in my first reply to you, and you didn't like my answer then, so I don't know why you'd like it now, but here it is again. Any country that establishes or normalizes a relationship with Israel is by definition accepting it as a Jewish state.
You really are a piece of work. That whole comment is nonsense upon nonsense and a barefaced lie. First I'll give this as just one example of another of your mad fantasies.

Why do you feel it's a problem for Israel to call itself a Jewish state
Where did i say that? In fact it was you who took a severe reaction to the thought of anyone making such a suggestion you then realised after i showed the bibi quotes that it was in fact a zionist construct upon which you then did an intellectual and moral U turn the which of like i have never seen before. Now here's your original first reply before you realised that it was a zionist construct which is when you showed that you're pathetic as can be seen in your above lie.



They have obviously accepted Israel as it is, which is a modern state where all races have the same rights.
Nations don't get to dictate how other nations identify themselves, do they?
Hahaha...but Israel gets to dictate how the Palestinians should identify Israel.

Yes, that "recognition" gets withdrawn pretty regularly, but I'm sure you know that, so something more concrete might be needed to take their "recognition" seriously.
Again Hahaha. So then what is the point of demanding Palestinians recognise Israel as 'Jewish State'..I mean, in your own words " that "recognition" gets withdrawn pretty regularly" So whats the point, that recognising Israel as a 'Jewish State' is "more concrete" ..

I'm done with you. As we say here in Glasgow to bams...'go chase yersell'
 






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You really are a piece of work. That whole comment is nonsense upon nonsense and a barefaced lie. First I'll give this as just one example of another of your mad fantasies.
So your position is that every country that has already established normal diplomatic relations with Israel isn't also accepting them as a Jewish state? I'm going to need to see some evidence of that.

In fact it was you who took a severe reaction to the thought of anyone making such a suggestion you then realised after i showed the bibi quotes that it was in fact a zionist construct upon which you then did an intellectual and moral U turn the which of like i have never seen before. Now here's your original first reply before you realised that it was a zionist construct which is when you showed that you're pathetic as can be seen in your above lie.
I guess it's your obsession with the identification of Israel as a Jewish state that makes me think you might have an issue with it. It's nice to see that you don't, but it makes your initial question of whether or not recognizing Israel as a Jewish state will be "imposed" on the Palestinians all the more perplexing. That's kind of why I've been asking these questions you've been trying so hard not to have to answer.

but Israel gets to dictate how the Palestinians should identify Israel.
Every sovereign nation is able to dictate how they want to be identified. For instance, United Arab Emirates defines themselves right in the name as an Arab state. Iran is the Islamic Republic of Iran. Egypt is the Arab Republic of Egypt. So I have to wonder, does Israel not have that same right? If it's not an imposition for Israel to recognize those countries as Arab or Islamic, why is it an imposition for other countries to recognize Israel as Jewish?
 






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Iran warns the UAE and Bahrain they will bear 'severe consequences' after they signed historic peace deal with arch-foe Israel
  • Israel, the UAE and Bahrain have signed a peace deal establishing diplomatic ties
  • Iran blasted the leaders of both Arab states, warning of 'severe consequences'
  • Palestinian leaders also attacked the deal, saying there can be 'no peace' in the Middle East until they are given a guarantee of statehood
  • Donald Trump said the historic pact marked 'the dawn of a new Middle East'
But trumps already warned them...
 






Stucky

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You've dug yourself a hole and you just keep digging. I'm not interested in your strawmen or loaded Qs. So you wont be getting out of your hole that way. Indeed in your latest response you go full silly. I've asked a simple Q and you didn't know the answer. There's no shame in not knowing. But instead of eventually admitting that was the case you go off into these mad delusions.

I guess it's your obsession with the identification of Israel as a Jewish
Again that's another of your mad fantasies, it's you who has the obsession and have done since Sunday and it's Israel who has an obsession that the Palestinians must, by Israeli demand, recognise Israel as a 'Jewish State'.

Every sovereign nation is able to dictate how they want to be identified.
No, they can call themselves what ever they like but they don't get to demand that everyone else must recognise them by how they want to be identified and i'll answer that further with an example when i'm dealing with this next quote.

So your position is that every country that has already established normal diplomatic relations with Israel isn't also accepting them as a Jewish state? I'm going to need to see some evidence of that.

As for evidence...no, the onus is not on me to give you 'answers'. I have asked a simple Q which has brought you to the point of meltdown. All detours since i asked my Q have been by you. However since you ask. Now i'm not sure if you are ignorant of this or if you know this and have kept quiet in the hope that i'm ignorant of it. Truman, when recognising Israel, struck out the term 'Jewish State' and replaced it with 'State of Israel' ie, he did not give recognition to Israel as a the 'Jewish State' but as the 'State of Israel' ... Have you got that or are you going to embarrass yourself further? Which would be kinda moot as i'm not responding anymore unless i see you tell a barefaced lie.

And further. as shown the Palestinians acknowledged Israel's right to exist so by your definition they also recognised Israel as a 'Jewish State' but the zionists now demand that the Palestinians MUST recognise Israel as a 'Jewish State' which kinda puts your logic where it belongs in a loony bin.
 






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Iran doesn’t have the strength any longer to do anything about this. It’s starting to make more and more sense why Soleimani was taken out before this could happen.
 






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You've dug yourself a hole and you just keep digging. I'm not interested in your strawmen or loaded Qs. So you wont be getting out of your that way. Indeed in your latest response you go full silly. I've asked a simple Q and you didn't know the answer. There's no shame in not knowing. But instead of eventually admitting that was the case you go off into these mad delusions.



Again that's another of your mad fantasies, it's you who has the obsession and have done since Sunday and it's Israel who has an obsession that the Palestinians must, by Israeli demand, recognise Israel as a 'Jewish State'.



No, they can call themselves what ever they like but they don't get to demand that everyone else must recognise them by how they want to be identified and i'll answer that further with an example when i'm dealing with this next quote.




As for evidence...no, the onus is not on me to give you 'answers'. I have asked a simple Q which has brought you to the point of meltdown. All detours since i asked my Q have been by you. However since you ask. Now i'm not sure if you are ignorant of this or if you know this and have kept quiet in the hope that i'm ignorant of it. Truman, when recognising Israel, struck out the term 'Jewish State' and replaced it with 'State of Israel' ie, he did not give recognition to Israel as a the 'Jewish State' but as the 'State of Israel' ... Have you got that or are you going to embarrass yourself further? Which would be kinda moot as i'm not responding anymore unless i see you tell a barefaced lie.

And further. as shown the Palestinians acknowledged Israel's right to exist so by your definition they also recognised Israel as a 'Jewish State' but the zionists now demand that the Palestinians MUST recognise Israel as a 'Jewish State' which kinda puts your logic where it belongs in a loony bin.
Yeah, I’m the one melting down.

You guys work so hard explaining why you can’t just answer a direct question.
 






Stucky

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Yeah, I’m the one melting down.

You guys work so hard explaining why you can’t just answer a direct question.
lol. How did one of your responses go again? Ah yes. "stucky,stucky,stucky,jew hater,jew hater,jew hater"

You've worked ever so hard in trying to dodge the simplest of Qs and in the process exposed yourself for what you are.
 






Thunderian

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lol. How did one of your responses go again? Ah yes. "stucky,stucky,stucky,jew hater,jew hater,jew hater"

You've worked ever so hard in trying to dodge the simplest of Qs and in the process exposed yourself for what you are.
What question have I tried to dodge?

Do other countries that form diplomatic relationships with Israel have to accept it as a Jewish state? I answered yes.

Did you have any other questions?
 






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Fury in Palestine, Bahrain over 'Deals of Shame' with Israel



“Everything that happened in the White House … will not achieve peace in the region as long as the United States and the Israeli occupation authority do not recognize the right of the Palestinian people to establish their independent and continuous state on the June 4, 1967 borders with East Jerusalem [al-Quds] as its capital, and resolve the Palestinian refugee issue in accordance with Resolution 194."
 






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