Kpop Satanic/Illuminati Influence

arhur12

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Unfortunately, his 1st solo mini album became a huge success.
This is because it is easy to mass buy songs and get no1s on iTunes. We have to wait for the MV to release and see how many views it gets to measure how popular he is as an individual artist. His pre-order numbers are low right now. In my opinion he is actually not popular but fans and company is mass buying albums for him to give the false impression that people care about him.
 

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This is because it is easy to mass buy songs and get no1s on iTunes. We have to wait for the MV to release and see how many views it gets to measure how popular he is as an individual artist. His pre-order numbers are low right now. In my opinion he is actually not popular but fans and company is mass buying albums for him to give the false impression that people care about him.
Yes, I know it is easy to mass buy songs and get no1s on iTunes. And yes, we have to wait for the MV to release because after the release of the mv of his title track, it will be mainly known whether the album is a hit or not and his album pre-order numbers are low right now. And Key's comeback had the same fuss from SM as well.

But people are really liking the songs of his album and even my friends liked his songs especially they liked Runway and Prove It song. Also, his album is on Top list in my country too so it looks like his album has become a hit.
 

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Yes. I get it. I know it’s their job to look flawless all the time. I couldn’t get into many girl groups because I couldn’t relate to the flawless look. I liked the male groups more because they look pretty normal and like to be more authentic on camera.
Hm I kind of can't relate to this. For me I like seeing what they wear and how they do their hair and take care of themselves. It's like inspiration and motivation. Also sometimes it helps when I can relate to someone, for example Sakura has big ears and I do too. I got bullied and mocked for having that and small breasts and behind etc. Its stuff like that. I never felt gravitated to the bgs or male idols honestly
 

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This is because it is easy to mass buy songs and get no1s on iTunes. We have to wait for the MV to release and see how many views it gets to measure how popular he is as an individual artist. His pre-order numbers are low right now. In my opinion he is actually not popular but fans and company is mass buying albums for him to give the false impression that people care about him.
All KPOP songs seem to become number 1 on iTunes. If he worked hard, he will experience the results of his hard work. Let's not block our blessings by wishing him failure. We all know who they are though.
 
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Your statement is factually incorrect because if severe depression lasting more than 6 months would grant someone exemption T@emin would be discharged on January 14 not transferred to public service. Go check L33 Joon's case who suffered from severe depression and panic disorder and still enlisted in active duty only to then transfer to public service after his symptoms went out of control. L3o from Vixx suffered from severe depression and panic disorder but still he enlisted as a public service worker. If having depression exempted you from military service these men wouldn't have to serve at all. Korean military is very strict. They did not even exempt a male actor who suffered from brain aneurysm and that actor was way more popular than T@emin. There is an idol Lim seu long. The guy had a chronic condition which affected his back bone, the guy would have difficulty in standing straight or partake in physical training. The Korean military still sent him to active duty and the guy had to transfer to public service after barely surviving 4 months. Being transferred from active duty to public service is not a privilege like you think. All male idols who transferred from active duty to public service so far served longer. They serve longer than 99% idols if you do not believe me just go check how much time idols like L33 J00n, Lim Seu Long, Jun junhyung and Park Kyung from block B stayed in the military compared to their peers who enlisted with them. There is also the hate all of them receive from Knetz for doing public service. T.O.P from B1g Bang attempted suicide while serving and stayed in coma for a few days due to nervous breakdown still Korean military did not exempt him from military service and he served as a public service worker.

T@emin could not possibly run away from military service by "staying in hospital" for 2 days due to overwork. Also, he did not even "Stay" in the hospital before military service. 5M canceled his fansign at the last minute because he supposedly was too overworked to complete his last schedule but the official statement said nothing about going to hospital or even collapsing due to overwork that's just your own intuition talking.


Additionally, the Korean law says men go through a physical exam before they are sent to military service. They send their drafts and go through the physical exam months before their enlistment date is announced. Those who enlisted in 2021 were required to send drafts by September or October of 2020 as we know from Ch@nyeol's case who sent his drafts in October 2020. T@emin may have sent his drafts in September or October of 2020. At, that time he may have passed the physical examination due to not fulfilling the 6 months requirement. He really only started to show signs of depression during Criminal era which was September 2020. Moreover, if the Korean government really cared about these laws they would not send 0new to active duty who had history of depression and was even part of 5M's special milk club for idols suffering from depression.
You use a lot of assumptions. May have..you don't know that. Everyone goes through hard times and people do experience seasons of mild depression. As a person who has experienced serious depression first hand and was unable to get out of bed, I can tell you Taemin isn't as mentally ill as people seem to think. He wouldn't be able to dance at all. He would always seem tired like Jonghyun used. Jonghyun would sit a lot during his concerts because depression really really drains your energy. He always had a chair. In one concert the man had a blanket. It's the way the mind is when depressed. That's why many depressed people sleep a lot and have strange sleep patterns. I used to sleep until noon. Jonghyun used to sleep during the day. If Taemin was taking 6-8 pills as you claim, how did he have all that energy to dance? Depression medication alters your state. I was prescribed wellbutrin but I stopped after one day and decided that was it. I had to overcome this. It's no joke. I hate it when people use depression as a cop out. It's no joke. When I was sick, getting out of bed felt like someone had a huge rock on my shoulder. I had no energy. There was also thst SM show where Jonghyun was dancing and he almost passed out. That depression medication does that to you. Sorry but I don't agree with this assumption.

The Military exempts depressed people because they are practically "useless". He wouldn't even have the energy to do social work.

This may seem strange but he needed that chair. He worked it with the song but he needed it.
Being alone on stage really drains a depressed person. At least with SHINee concerts, he would absorb strength from them.

 
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All KPOP songs seem to become number 1 on iTunes. If he worked hard, he will experience the results of his hard work. Let's not block our blessings by wishing him failure. We all know who they are though.
Yes, if he has worked hard then he will get the best results of his hard work and if the songs of his album are really good then he himself will not need to praise his own work. Because people will automatically love his album and appreciate his hard work then.

And of course, we all know who they are. But this does not mean that we are withholding our blessings towards Minho and the members by wishing them failure. Both me and Arhur are just upset by the members behavior of constantly using Jonghyun to their own benefits because Jonghyun is not a joke and nor a promotional material. And if the members cannot respect Jonghyun, then the members have no right to disrespect Jonghyun either. Therefore.
 

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You use a lot of assumptions. May have..you don't know that. Everyone goes through hard times and people do experience seasons of mild depression. As a person who has experienced serious depression first hand and was unable to get out of bed, I can tell you Taemin isn't as mentally ill as people seem to think. He wouldn't be able to dance at all. He would always seem tired like Jonghyun used. Jonghyun would sit a lot during his concerts because depression really really drains your energy. He always had a chair. In one concert the man had a blanket. It's the way the mind is when depressed. That's why many depressed people sleep a lot and have strange sleep patterns. I used to sleep until noon. Jonghyun used to sleep during the day. If Taemin was taking 6-8 pills as you claim, how did he have all that energy to dance? Depression medication alters your state. I was prescribed wellbutrin but I stopped after one day and decided that was it. I had to overcome this. It's no joke. I hate it when people use depression as a cop out. It's no joke. When I was sick, getting out of bed felt like someone had a huge rock on my shoulder. I had no energy. There was also thst SM show where Jonghyun was dancing and he almost passed out. That depression medication does that to you. Sorry but I don't agree with this assumption.

The Military exempts depressed people because they are practically "useless". He wouldn't even have the energy to do social work.

This may seem strange but he needed that chair. He worked it with the song but he needed it.
Being alone on stage really drains a depressed person. At least with SHINee concerts, he would absorb strength from them.

You are also making assumptions about the mental health of a person you do not know. Depression is not the same for everyone and we have proof that Korean idols who have been diagnosed with depression still did their job. T.O.P, L33 J00n idols I have named were depressed enough that they attempted suicide but still they were enlisted in active duty.

Maybe for someone like T@emin dancing is a form of therapy because it is something he is passionate about. For jj0ng doing his radio show or singing and composing songs would do what dancing does for T@emin and jj0ng still completed all of his schedules on time. Jj0ng was doing high energy solo concerts with depression. Singing requires a lot of effort as well. There are various kinds of medications, anti-depressants which can help relieve symptoms of depression so the person can still continue to do their jobs.

The medication amount could be adjusted if symptoms get worse. Maybe he was overdosing or the pills were prescribed for his panic disorder not depression. We both know he is not the type to 'enjoy' something like military service. He couldn't run away or tried to use depression as a cop out. The Korean military does not allow idols or any male to cop out because of "depression".

There are other idols who went through similar experiences as well. He was not exempt of any service. He is doing civil service like countless other idols like baekhyun and suho. They do government jobs or social service work instead of staying at the base.

Also, no one is saying he was severely depressed before he enlisted. He probably had mild depression only which got worse due to military service. Fans and company blew things out of proportion because Sh1nee love to sell tragedy porn.

Still, for me personally I am careful when discussing an idol's mental health because of what happened to idols like jjong and Sull1. Someone may look fine and the next thing you know they are gone. I also lost a close friend to suicide. My friend looked fine, she did not looked or acted like someone who was planning to attempt suicide but then the next day when she was making lunch she slit her wrist with a kitchen knife unbeknownst to her parents who were not at home at the time and died. I hate when people do not take mental health seriously and I also empathize with your struggles. Regardless, of our differences in opinion I hope God helps you overcome your illness.
 

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Yes, if he has worked hard then he will get the best results of his hard work and if the songs of his album are really good then he himself will not need to praise his own work. Because people will automatically love his album and appreciate his hard work then.

And of course, we all know who they are. But this does not mean that we are withholding our blessings towards Minho and the members by wishing them failure. Both me and Arhur are just upset by the members behavior of constantly using Jonghyun to their own benefits because Jonghyun is not a joke and nor a promotional material. And if the members cannot respect Jonghyun, then the members have no right to disrespect Jonghyun either. Therefore.
Yes! I haven't listened to his album yet so I cannot judge the quality of his work. If the songs are indeed very good than he deserves the success. However, they do not have to mention jj0ng every time they are releasing new music. It is disrespectful towards jj0ng and also it is better for them to create their own individual identities as artists without relying on jj0ng's name or other such gimmicks.
 
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This is because it is easy to mass buy songs and get no1s on iTunes. We have to wait for the MV to release and see how many views it gets to measure how popular he is as an individual artist. His pre-order numbers are low right now. In my opinion he is actually not popular but fans and company is mass buying albums for him to give the false impression that people care about him.
He had a lot of people in his live and would've been more if he was on early. Not close to a million like btees or hundreds of thousands like txt or enpipen, but a decent number for a second gen idol. It's probably mass buying but the mv will show the popularity. The new Rm song is topping YouTube charts, and that's surprised me. It's a good song but he's not popular.
 
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Probably because his collaborators are popular...also Hybe & YT are "collaborators" ... with Hybe often "extending" its "thanks" to YT...
How is that fair? If they collaborate, of course it's going to do good. It's like the collaboration hive has with enpipen. The other company is one of the reasons they haven't been shelved like t×t.
 

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How is that fair? If they collaborate, of course it's going to do good. It's like the collaboration hive has with enpipen. The other company is one of the reasons they haven't been shelved like t×t.
I was referring to RM's collaborations with other artists for his album. Why is every song in that album a collaboration with another artist? Didn't he feel confident enough to do it on his own? Seems like RM is overrated...
 

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Ryujin from Itzy have a british accent?? Nicki Minaj and Britney Spears have the same, but that's because of their alter :

 
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I was referring to RM's collaborations with other artists for his album. Why is every song in that album a collaboration with another artist? Didn't he feel confident enough to do it on his own? Seems like RM is overrated...
Hive did the same thing to him that essem did with Amber. She was strong enough to stand on her own, but they made her identity about being a quirky tomboy and a social butterfly. All of her tracks were collaborations with other artists. Oh ok, I misunderstood you. Thanks for clearing it up. I thought hive was collaborating with YouTube.
 
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