Israel-Iran

[TempestOfTempo]

Soleimani was also a deadly enemy of Sunni Muslims, but I’m sure that’s of no interest to anyone on this board.

Wrong as usual. He was a deadly enemy to ISIS. Funny how they Trump regime is so quick to go after those whom are actually going after Islamic terrorists eh?

 

[TempestOfTempo]

A bigger war in the ME is not the answer.
When will CZs ever call for peace and dialogue?

Post of the Day nominee.......

 

[TempestOfTempo]

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at least the muslim terrorist leader get to enjoy his 72 virgins now

Well, at least you are honest that you aint no genius

 

[floss]

Well, at least you are honest that you aint no genius

Yep

 

[Thunderian]

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[TempestOfTempo]

For those interested in whats actually going on w/Iran......

To Stop Trump’s War with Iran, We Must Also Confront the Democrats Who Laid the Groundwork

Democratic leaders are feigning outrage, but they've supported the precursors to war.

inthesetimes.com

Trump Is Doing the Bidding of Washington’s Most Vile Cabal

While the media focus for three years of the Trump presidency has centered around “Russia collusion” and impeachment, the most dangerous collusion of all was happening right out in the open — the Trump/Saudi/Israel/UAE drive to war with Iran

zcomm.org

Israel bombs Iraq, escalating violence targeting Iran - The Grayzone

An Israeli bombing of a weapons depot allegedly used by Iran is the first Israeli strike on Iraq in nearly forty years and a major escalation of Israel's campaign against Tehran. The attack also underscores how Israeli violence on its neighbors has been normalized, As'ad AbuKhalil argues. Guest...

thegrayzone.com

US/NATO-backed Israeli think tank: Don’t destroy ISIS; it’s a ‘useful tool’ against Iran, Hezbollah, Syria - The Grayzone

The director of an Israeli think tank backed by the US government and NATO, BESA, wrote that ISIS "can be a useful tool in undermining" Iran, Hezbollah, Syria, and Russia and should not be defeated. By Ben Norton / Salon According to a US-backed think tank that does contract work for NATO and...

thegrayzone.com

 

[justjess]

If no one cared when Obama droned several thousand people, including US citizens, why all the pearl-clutching now? Soleimani was in a war zone, travelling with the same men who have been aiding in his attacks on US servicemen and civilians. Don’t you wonder what he was doing there?

Soleimani was a murderous thug, responsible for so much misery and death, and openly threatening more violence against US forces. Since when does the White House need special authorization to delete a threat to Americans?

People cared bro. That’s just a straw man. The people of the United States should have a say before our government commits to any other trillion dollar expenditures and risks our sons and husbands lives.

 

[Thunderian]

Can you please provide the proof for your accusations?

Sure. First, there's no question that Soleimani was the director of all of Iran's external military operations. That was his job. But, just so there's no equivocating, here's the text of a message Soleimani sent directly to General Petraeus a few years back.

Qasem Soleimani Quote​

libquotes.com/qasem-soleimani/quote/lbq0f2m​

Dear General Petraeus, you should know that I, Qassem Suleimani, control the policy for Iran with respect to Iraq, Lebanon, Gaza and Afghanistan. And indeed, the ambassador in Baghdad is a Quds Force member. The individual who's going to replace him is a Quds Force member.​

​

Qasem Soleimani​

In a text message conveyed by Iraqi President Jalal Talabani to CIA director David Petraeus​

No one who is informed can seriously argue his role in Iranian military actions in the Middle East. When protests in Syria began against Assad, it was Soleimani who went there and took charge of the operations against them, setting the stage for a half million deaths and a flood of refugees. Before that, he was the one who lead the crackdown against protesters in Iran in 2009, when his forces beat, tortured, and killed Iranians in the streets. He was back at it again just last year, killing thousands and disappearing thousands more, including children, as civilians in Iran and Syria protested against the Iranian regime. There is no doubt in the mind of anyone who follows events in the Middle East what Soleimani's job was, and the evidence of the death caused under his command is clear.

When protesters in Iraq and Iran call him out by name, do you think they're misinformed? When his job position was literally director of unconventional warfare and military intelligence operations for Iran, who do you think was directing the slaughter Iranian forces and Iran-backed militias performed in Iraq and Syria? Who do you think gave the orders, if not the man they took their orders from? The division Soleimani was commander of, Quds Force, supported and directed operations by Hezbollah, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, Yemeni Houthis, and Shia militias in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan. Not to mention, and this won't make a difference to you, but Soleimani directed attacks against Americans and their allies in the Middle East, and was surely planning more. Massive death followed Soleimani wherever he went.

If all that death and misery caused by one man is cool with you, then go ahead and mourn him. I'm glad he's gone, though, and so are millions of Iraqi, Syrian and Iranian people who want less death around them.

 

[Thunderian]

Wrong as usual. He was a deadly enemy to ISIS. Funny how they Trump regime is so quick to go after those whom are actually going after Islamic terrorists eh?

He was a Shia, and Shia kill Sunni. ISIS is Sunni. I wouldn't characterize waiting three years to kill him as "so quick".

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Sure. First, there's no question that Soleimani was the director of all of Iran's external military operations. That was his job. But, just so there's no equivocating, here's the text of a message Soleimani sent directly to General Petraeus a few years back.

Qasem Soleimani Quote​

libquotes.com/qasem-soleimani/quote/lbq0f2m​

Dear General Petraeus, you should know that I, Qassem Suleimani, control the policy for Iran with respect to Iraq, Lebanon, Gaza and Afghanistan. And indeed, the ambassador in Baghdad is a Quds Force member. The individual who's going to replace him is a Quds Force member.​

​

Qasem Soleimani​

In a text message conveyed by Iraqi President Jalal Talabani to CIA director David Petraeus​

No one who is informed can seriously argue his role in Iranian military actions in the Middle East. When protests in Syria began against Assad, it was Soleimani who went there and took charge of the operations against them, setting the stage for a half million deaths and a flood of refugees. Before that, he was the one who lead the crackdown against protesters in Iran in 2009, when his forces beat, tortured, and killed Iranians in the streets. He was back at it again just last year, killing thousands and disappearing thousands more, including children, as civilians in Iran and Syria protested against the Iranian regime. There is no doubt in the mind of anyone who follows events in the Middle East what Soleimani's job was, and the evidence of the death caused under his command is clear.

When protesters in Iraq and Iran call him out by name, do you think they're misinformed? When his job position was literally director of unconventional warfare and military intelligence operations for Iran, who do you think was directing the slaughter Iranian forces and Iran-backed militias performed in Iraq and Syria? Who do you think gave the orders, if not the man they took their orders from? The division Soleimani was commander of, Quds Force, supported and directed operations by Hezbollah, Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, Yemeni Houthis, and Shia militias in Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan. Not to mention, and this won't make a difference to you, but Soleimani directed attacks against Americans and their allies in the Middle East, and was surely planning more. Massive death followed Soleimani wherever he went.

If all that death and misery caused by one man is cool with you, then go ahead and mourn him. I'm glad he's gone, though, and so are millions of Iraqi, Syrian and Iranian people who want less death around them.

"When protests in Syria began against Assad"
In other words, when the US/Israel/KSA destabilization campaign directed ISIS and related terrorists to attack the democratically elected, secular Syrian government of Assad?

As for the rest, its about what I expected "What do you THINK?!?!?! HOW could it be ANYTHING OTHER than EXACTLY what the discredited propaganda of the US/Israel/KSA axis of lies tells me it is?!?"

You didn't offer any proof, just generalizations and received opinions. If what you are promoting here is truthful, it should have been easy for you to provide some actual evidence as opposed to your emotion based, received chain of compromised logic.

 

[Thunderian]

People cared bro. That’s just a straw man. The people of the United States should have a say before our government commits to any other trillion dollar expenditures and risks our sons and husbands lives.

There will be no major war over this, because Iran doesn't have the power or the money. But what about the son and husbands who have already been killed by Soleimani? Don't they deserve justice? Don't Americans deserve to be able to go about their business in other countries without fear that Soleimani's assholes are waiting to kill them? Who's side are you on, exactly?

 

[TempestOfTempo]

He was a Shia, and Shia kill Sunni. ISIS is Sunni. I wouldn't characterize waiting three years to kill him as "so quick".

Assad.
Anyone from or connected w/Iran.
The Kurds.
etc. etc.
The list of effective Islamic terrorism fighters the Trump regime has either hampered, abandoned or outright attacked is stunning. Its almost like they are actually a tool of the US/Israel/KSA and not some free forming terrorist organizations?

 

[Thunderian]

"When protests in Syria began against Assad"
In other words, when the US/Israel/KSA destabilization campaign directed ISIS and related terrorists to attack the democratically elected, secular Syrian government of Assad?

As for the rest, its about what I expected "What do you THINK?!?!?! HOW could it be ANYTHING OTHER than EXACTLY what the discredited propaganda of the US/Israel/KSA axis of lies tells me it is?!?"

You didn't offer any proof, just generalizations and received opinions. If what you are promoting here is truthful, it should have been easy for you to provide some actual evidence as opposed to your emotion based, received chain of compromised logic.

Instead of trying to counter my posts, why don't you just tell us what CNN is saying?

 

[DavidSon]

Can you please provide the proof for your accusations?

The lying terrorists can't provide evidence, because there is none. All they have are the same empty accusations, false claims like WMD or chemical attacks to push forward Israel's "war on terror".

Soleimani was an enemy of the US/Israel because he singly convinced Russia to intercede in protecting Assad from US/Israeli trained "moderate rebels." Soleimani helped strengthen the resistance of the Yemenis, as well as playing a large part in crushing other ISIS fighters in the region. He was extremely successful at disrupting the war-machine's plans, and thus had to be removed.

 

[TempestOfTempo]

Instead of trying to counter my posts, why don't you just tell us what CNN is saying?

Because you are the person pushing the MSM narrative here already Dumbdarian, thats why. lol

 

[TempestOfTempo]

There will be no major war over this, because Iran doesn't have the power or the money. But what about the son and husbands who have already been killed by Soleimani? Don't they deserve justice? Don't Americans deserve to be able to go about their business in other countries without fear that Soleimani's assholes are waiting to kill them? Who's side are you on, exactly?

Again, where is your proof he killed or was involved in the killing of these American people?

 

[TempestOfTempo]

The lying terrorists can't provide evidence, because there is none. All they have are the same empty accusations, false claims like WMD or chemical attacks to push forward Israel's "war on terror".

Solemeni was an enemy of the US/Israel because he singly convinced Russia to intercede in protecting Assad from US/Israeli trained "moderate rebels." Solemeni helped strengthen the resistance of the Yemenis, as well as playing a large part in crushing other ISIS fighters in the region. He was extremely successful at disrupting the war-machine's plans, and thus had to be removed.

Im glad you were able to articulate this for the rest of us here!

 

[justjess]

There will be no major war over this, because Iran doesn't have the power or the money. But what about the son and husbands who have already been killed by Soleimani? Don't they deserve justice? Don't Americans deserve to be able to go about their business in other countries without fear that Soleimani's assholes are waiting to kill them? Who's side are you on, exactly?

The Americans who are over there in dangerous territory chose to be there of their own free will. If this guy committed war crimes and killed them in a way inconsistent with war then he should have been brought on charges for doing so. If they died in regular war operations the best justice would be to pull the rest of our troops out so no more die unneccessarily for a war that isn’t ours to fight.

Full on war with Iran would necessitate reinstating the draft according to every opinion I’ve reaffirmed. As the mother of a son approaching draft age I have a serious problem with the risk of that happening over a war I had no say in and don’t approve of. We are overextended already, we have no more lives or money to waste on these fruitless endeavors.. a true populist/anti globalist would agree with that. Trump is neither.

Why aren’t you petitioning the Canadian government to go fight Iran? To risk Canadian lives? Canadian money?

What exactly are you trying to imply by asking whose side I’m on? I’m on the side of reason and logic. And truly on the side of America whether you want to believe it or not. As an American, a wife and mother of American men, and American tax payer I have more vested interest in what goes on here then you do.

 

[Thunderian]

The Americans who are over there in dangerous territory chose to be there of their own free will. If this guy committed war crimes and killed them in a way inconsistent with war then he should have been brought on charges for doing so. If they died in regular war operations the best justice would be to pull the rest of our troops out so no more die unneccessarily for a war that isn’t ours to fight.

OK, US troops are in Iraq with Iraqi permission, fighting people who are trying to overthrow the Iraqi government. Soleimani is an Iranian general. If we aren't already at war with Iran, why is an Iranian general in Iraq killing American troops? You are trying to justify Iranian aggression against US troops in Iraq, while decrying US efforts to protect it's own people there. I would love if it every foreign soldier and militant left Iraq today -- including Iranian proxies -- but until that happens, America has a responsibility to protect it's people. If your son was in the Marines in Baghdad right now, you'd be a lot happier this guy is dead, wouldn't you?

Full on war with Iran would necessitate reinstating the draft according to every opinion I’ve reaffirmed. As the mother of a son approaching draft age I have a serious problem with the risk of that happening over a war I had no say in and don’t approve of. We are overextended already, we have no more lives or money to waste on these fruitless endeavors.. a true populist/anti globalist would agree with that. Trump is neither.

I have a nephew in the US who is draft age. Do you think I want him dead? But at the risk of repeating myself, there will be no full on war against Iran. If Trump was going to go to war, he would have already. His focus has been on extricating the US from these conflicts, not increasing American presence in them. Unless Iran does something really, really stupid, neither of us need to worry about an invasion of Iran as long as Trump is in the White House. I am sure of it.

Why aren’t you petitioning the Canadian government to go fight Iran? To risk Canadian lives? Canadian money?

Why would I do that when I'm not in favour of Americans going and fighting in Iran in the first place? I don't want war against Iran any more than you do, but there are ways of achieving peace that involve a bit of violence, and I will support targeted strikes against warmongers as long as they're legitimate targets and there is little or no collateral damage. Remember, Trump recently called off a retaliatory strike against Iran because he was told it would result in the death of 150 Iranian troops. Think about that, when you think about describing him as a warmonger. Does that sound like a man who wants to wildly go to war, and damn the consequences?

America's strike on Soleimani severely damaged Iran's capability to cause more death and more destruction, and I am fully in favour of that. Why aren't you?

 

[DavidSon]

Just seen this. de Blasio : we are in a de facto state of war. Is he the Guiliani of these times?

This is strange. Although, i strongly believe a war with Iran would hurt Trump's re-election chances so the controllers intend to wait until after November. To me, his comments seem to indicate that there could be a domestic false flag to be blamed on Iran and he is saying it so that you expect it or emotionally blame Iran.

But not too long ago...
"Senator Tom Udall (D-NM) introduced legislation to prevent Trump from launching an unconstitutional war with Iran. “The administration’s approach to Iran is ripped straight out of the same playbook that launched us into the failed invasion of Iraq, and Congress needs to assert its constitutional authority and halt the march to war,”

So we'll wait and see how the whole thing plays out.

I also immediately thought of Guilliani. Statements like this one stand out too:

Former Acting CIA Director: There Will Be Dead Americans

I'm reading the "Prevention of Unconstitutional War with Iran Act of 2019" (s.1039) was already passed into law.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1039/text?r=1