Is Drinking Alcohol A Sin?

Thunderian

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This topic came up on another thread, but I think it deserves it's own. This is from Got Questions, because I am incredibly lazy ...

Scripture has much to say regarding the drinking of alcohol (Leviticus 10:9; Numbers 6:3; Deuteronomy 29:6; Judges 13:4, 7, 14; Proverbs 20:1; 31:4; Isaiah 5:11, 22; 24:9; 28:7; 29:9; 56:12). However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. In fact, some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…”

What God commands Christians regarding alcohol is to avoid drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18). The Bible condemns drunkenness and its effects (Proverbs 23:29-35). Christians are also commanded to not allow their bodies to be “mastered” by anything (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Drinking alcohol in excess is undeniably addictive. Scripture also forbids a Christian from doing anything that might offend other Christians or encourage them to sin against their conscience (1 Corinthians 8:9-13). In light of these principles, it would be extremely difficult for any Christian to say he is drinking alcohol in excess to the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31).

Jesus changed water into wine. It even seems that Jesus drank wine on occasion (John 2:1-11; Matthew 26:29). In New Testament times, the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation, the water was often filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminants. The same is true in many third-world countries today. As a result, people often drank wine (or grape juice) because it was far less likely to be contaminated. In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul was instructing Timothy to stop drinking the water (which was probably causing his stomach problems) and instead drink wine. In that day, wine was fermented (containing alcohol), but not necessarily to the degree it is today. It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine commonly used today. Again, Scripture does not forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from (Ephesians 5:18; 1 Corinthians 6:12).

Alcohol, consumed in small quantities, is neither harmful nor addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of small quantities of alcohol is a matter of Christian freedom. Drunkenness and addiction are sin. However, due to the biblical concerns regarding alcohol and its effects, due to the easy temptation to consume alcohol in excess, and due to the possibility of causing offense and/or stumbling of others, it is often best for a Christian to abstain from drinking alcohol.

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Alcohol, consumed in small quantities, is neither harmful nor addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart.
I agree with that so when I get to drinking age, why not?
 
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In Islam it is.

THEY WILL ASK thee about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: "In both there is great evil as well as some benefit for man; but the evil which they cause is greater than the benefit which they bring." And they will ask thee as to what they should spend [in God's cause]. Say: "Whatever you can spare." In this way God makes clear unto you His messages, so that you might reflect.
 

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However, due to the biblical concerns regarding alcohol and its effects, due to the easy temptation to consume alcohol in excess, and due to the possibility of causing offense and/or stumbling of others, it is often best for a Christian to abstain from drinking alcohol.

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This is what we Muslims believe to be the reason that the Most High forbid for us alcohol. The Most High knows how humans operate and no matter how strong willed we are or tell ourselves we are we all stumble and a little all of a sudden on a night out becomes a lot.

Before I became Muslim I always drank here and there and never would I consider myself an alcoholic. I would go out with buddies and before you know it we were all hammered and doing some dumb things. After I became a Muslim I cut alcohol out of my life cold turkey.
 

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This is what we Muslims believe to be the reason that the Most High forbid for us alcohol. The Most High knows how humans operate and no matter how strong willed we are or tell ourselves we are we all stumble and a little all of a sudden on a night out becomes a lot.

Before I became Muslim I always drank here and there and never would I consider myself an alcoholic. I would go out with buddies and before you know it we were all hammered and doing some dumb things. After I became a Muslim I cut alcohol out of my life cold turkey.
Abstaining from alcohol is not a bad idea at all, but it's not commanded for Christians to do so. Part of the freedom we have as Christians is to enjoy life, but it's our responsibility to enjoy things in moderation.

There are many things that are fine in the proper doses that can be harmful or fatal if abused or consumed to excess. The Bible warns against gluttony as well, but what I find interesting is that some of the same churches that forbid alcohol don't seem to have a problem with a good deal of their congregation being overweight.
 

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Abstaining from alcohol is not a bad idea at all, but it's not commanded for Christians to do so. Part of the freedom we have as Christians is to enjoy life, but it's our responsibility to enjoy things in moderation.
I understand. Leaving Islam out of it and just going by my perspective I believe it's better to avoid alcohol altogether as it really has no real benefits but yet the negatives are abundant. Also, since I became a Muslim quitting alcohol and a promiscuous lifestyle I have enjoyed life more than ever.

There are many things that are fine in the proper doses that can be harmful or fatal if abused or consumed to excess. The Bible warns against gluttony as well, but what I find interesting is that some of the same churches that forbid alcohol don't seem to have a problem with a good deal of their congregation being overweight.
You can die from drinking too much water but yet you never really hear people warning us about it because of how rare it actually is. The same can't be said for things like alcohol, cigarettes, and other drugs. Even a little could really be bad for you in the short and long term.

I understand your issues with churches and the whole alcohol and obesity thing.
 
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Why wouldn't it be a sin?

When facts are there to prove how disastrous its consequences can be.

When we all know how we lose our sense of reasoning while just thinking about it. Proof: Some consider themselves able to withstand alcohol more than others. I mean, you cannot guarantee your own future existence and yet you boast that you can hold your liquor? Like really, you are not the one creating that oxygen you breathed in just now and yet you think you are guaranteed to live up till old age?
 
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Bro, they say it has health benefits in small amounts. I won't get drunk if I drink a little bit.
They say, but God Says that the harm is actually more than the benefit, whatever amount you consume of it.

Qur'an Chapter 2 Verse 219 They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit...
 

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They say, but God Says that the harm is actually more than the benefit, whatever amount you consume of it.

Qur'an Chapter 2 Verse 219 They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit...
What if there is no harm and only benefit for me?
 

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Maybe she's speaking like when she'll be forever 18, like in Heaven?
I don't know I just saw 'maybe I'll try it when I'm of age' and spat out my tea !

I won't go into religion with my input to the conversation, but on a human level I personally don't see why people drink other than to disguise their awkwardness, which tells me they're insecure, to have 'fun' and 'socialise' which tells me they're either trying to fit in or have been around alcohol their whole life and can't see having fun without it

I see it as non beneficial, quite pungent and useless means to utilise time which could be spent doing something wholesome or productive with your friends and loved ones

There's a pub culture in the U.K. Where people literally get pissed on Friday nights and vomit everywhere on the streets. I know there are more sophisticated drinkers who probably can control themselves but in general I just see alcohol a means of escapism. How could you find being tipsy or drunk enjoyable?
 
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What if there is no harm and only benefit for me?
Unless you're speaking about the afterlife, i highly doubt there'd be only benefit for you if you consume it during this lifetime. And if ever there really is only benefit for you specially, i mean if God Wills everything's possible right, well i just don't think you should go around letting everybody know that God's Allowing you some privileges.

Always Fear God.
 
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