Imagine a world with shariah law.

[Red Sky at Morning]

I will argue music is satanic, not because it blatantly is today with songs like WAP by Cardi B. But mainly because i know it was frowned on when the last prophet walked.

The prophet (saw) said : "From among my followers some people will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. - Sahih al-Bukhari 5590

This hadith is an end times sign, in that Muslims would begin to listen to music... If fornication and music are given in the same example, its enough for me to try to avoid it.

I get that music can seem innocent but when you take a song like twinkle twinkle little star and play it backwards only to hear is say "i wish there was no god" you really need to take a step back and try to see the big picture.

Islamic scholars say music and the Quran can not exist in the same heart. One will always try to force the other out and its important for Muslims to memorize their book. I have to agree with this sentiment. As a Muslim it is really best to avoid music entirely.



My dad thought Jesus was god if memory serves. I'm not 100% on this as he passed on 28 years ago, but i think he did. I know my aunt (his sister) does because we fight alot. She hates that I'm Muslim. Like most brainwashed Americans, she is certain I'm going to hell. But i see what they don't see.

One of my brothers believes in the trinity.. i forget the sects name. Pentecostal maybe, but its one of those churches that speak in tongues, which to me is demonic. But i don't think i personally ever did see Jesus as divine. While i disagree with my brother on Jesus status, he raised his kids right by not allowing a tv in the home. Imagine being 30 years old (his kids) and never seen a tv show. Kinda like being Amish, isn't it?

My oldest brother is a Unitarian, my oldest sister is Unitarian, but she's not really religious. 2 of my other sisters are Muslim and the last sister is a JW like my mother. 2 brothers, 4 sisters. Diverse beliefs i guess you can say.

To me Jesus has always been like prophet Moses parting the red sea or Solomon talking with the birds. Jesus resurrected the dead because God gave him the powers to do so. Jesus tells us in the Bible he can do nothing on his own (John 5:30).

Personally i think if you worship anything but God, hell is pretty much guaranteed.

It is the first commandment in Christianity and the worst sin in Islam. Literally in Islam setting up partners with God (in Gods eyes) is worse then being a rapist, a murderer, a pdf file and so on. When you stop and think about it.. rightly so. Everything we had, have and ever will have comes from God. How ignorant is it to thank another for his blessings?

I often say this but its the truth. Those God guides can not fall astray, while those he leaves behind have no hope.

It is God who guides, it is God who made me Muslim.

God willing i will die as a Muslim.

Thank you for sharing some of your background @Daze - I won’t press on the “Jesus is God” debate, but there was an incident in the OT that has frequently come to mind. Make of it what you will…

Judges 13


13 And the angel of the Lord said unto Manoah, Of all that I said unto the woman let her beware.

14 She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the vine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing: all that I commanded her let her observe.

15 And Manoah said unto the angel of the Lord, I pray thee, let us detain thee, until we shall have made ready a kid for thee.

16 And the angel of the Lord said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the Lord. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the Lord.

17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the Lord, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?

18 And the angel of the Lord said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

19 So Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it upon a rock unto the Lord: and the angel did wonderously; and Manoah and his wife looked on.

20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the Lord ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.

21 But the angel of the Lord did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the Lord.

22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

23 But his wife said unto him, If the Lord were pleased to kill us, he would not have received a burnt offering and a meat offering at our hands, neither would he have shewed us all these things, nor would as at this time have told us such things as these.

 

[Daze]

Thank you for sharing some of your background @Daze - I won’t press on the “Jesus is God” debate, but there was an incident in the OT that has frequently come to mind. Make of it what you will…

Judges 13


13 And the angel of the Lord said unto Manoah, Of all that I said unto the woman let her beware.

14 She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the vine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing: all that I commanded her let her observe.

15 And Manoah said unto the angel of the Lord, I pray thee, let us detain thee, until we shall have made ready a kid for thee.

16 And the angel of the Lord said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the Lord. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the Lord.

17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the Lord, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?

18 And the angel of the Lord said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

19 So Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it upon a rock unto the Lord: and the angel did wonderously; and Manoah and his wife looked on.

20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the Lord ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.

21 But the angel of the Lord did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the Lord.

22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.

23 But his wife said unto him, If the Lord were pleased to kill us, he would not have received a burnt offering and a meat offering at our hands, neither would he have shewed us all these things, nor would as at this time have told us such things as these.

If God wills I'll ponder on it tomorrow.

 

[Seekeroftruth55]

It's interesting to see someone that was sympathizing with Islam get attacked by a Muslim. Just goes to show ya.
Plus, this argument is getting so tiring by now, why am I still here? Lol

 

[polymoog]

I had to point out his triteness and proselytizing.
I do however wish his god is real.
I do not want an answer.
I wanted to troll his post.
I am petty.
I meant what I said.
I can't bring myself to show him my humanity.
I will not.
I refuse.
I rather not engage with a person like this moving forward on the forums.

That's just the way it's going to be.

beem: we are discussing and debating thoughts, ideas, and beliefs on a forum where posts are completely voluntary. we are here for fun. i am absolutely not forbidding you from having a sam kinison style screaming match on here-- youre free to do so and i would not (nor could not) stop you from that, but it doesnt add much to the discussion. however, you brought up some good points (which id like to see addressed and explained) but that wont happen if you take a nasty tone with the other person-- who is also here on his free time, presumably for his own enjoyment.
you are free to block him, be petty, troll him, and never have to read anything from daze, but you need to reevaluate your position if you are getting upset about what someone else said.

 

[polymoog]

I do however wish his god is real.

its the same god youre praying to, if you are monotheistic or believe in one supreme creator. you (and i) have a problem with the laws, rites, edicts, and beliefs surrounding god and the interpretations of what we think he wants of us.

 

[AdjeYen]

its the same god youre praying to, if you are monotheistic or believe in one supreme creator. you (and i) have a problem with the laws, rites, edicts, and beliefs surrounding god and the interpretations of what we think he wants of us.

Honestly, I have no idea what religion you belong to. I mean, if you're a monotheist, believing in one and only Creator (which would make sense from the read of your message) then that was a hell of a good message coming from you. The last part was like icing on the cake.

 

[polymoog]

Honestly, I have no idea what religion you belong to.

i belong to none, as i think religion is groupthink. religion is organized spirituality, and i prefer to pick and choose what rules are sensible according to natural law.

then that was a hell of a good message coming from you.

thank you very much!

 

[Seekeroftruth55]

What's cool though, I don't believe we have to be religious to believe in something.
I'm a full believer of God and His son, I just don't practice the religious aspect of it.

 

[AdjeYen]

i belong to none, as i think religion is groupthink. religion is organized spirituality, and i prefer to pick and choose what rules are sensible according to natural law.



thank you very much!

That's nice, I respect that, but what is natural law according to you? Is it something we select and see what's the best or what's available or being offered that suits our needs and we refuse to accept other things that seem to make "somewhat sense," and we end up throwing away those things we dislike?

No offence, I don't want to sound rude here, but everything has its rule and law. Literally for everything. I'm sure you'll agree with me on this.
So if God exists, then there must be some kind of instruction on how to worship Him and how to follow Him and obey His commands. Why shouldn't we worship Him and be thankful every day, to be amazed by His creations and glorify Him?

Who am I to question Him and his creations and why He made us etc? I don't dig the theory that everything is "man-made," how religions were made by men to control us etc, how we all live in some kind of Matrix and how God doesn't exist. I don't buy that story.
I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way. Haha.

 

[Daze]

It's interesting to see someone that was sympathizing with Islam get attacked by a Muslim. Just goes to show ya.
Plus, this argument is getting so tiring by now, why am I still here? Lol

If you're talking about @JoChris notice that she threw the first punch with claiming i wasn't a Christian for 30 years, when my entire life was Christian.

I know these people here very well. I can tell you things about them that would make your head spin. You'd be amazed how much goes on in private messages around here. There are no "sympathizers of Islam". They have all taken shots, Especially the trinnys like JoChris who thinks her own husband is going to hell. Really what kind of a judge is that?.

Like i said before, you're new to the show, you haven't even known these people for a year yet.


I keep asking myself why i am still here. Look at this thread. Why should i put time and energy into entertaining you people? Providing you content? When these are the responses i get.

 

[JoChris]

If you're talking about @JoChris notice that she threw the first punch with claiming i wasn't a Christian for 30 years, when my entire life was Christian.

I know these people here very well. I can tell you things about them that would make your head spin. You'd be amazed how much goes on in private messages around here. There are no "sympathizers of Islam". They have all taken shots, Especially the trinnys like JoChris who thinks her own husband is going to hell. Really what kind of a judge is that?.

Like i said before, you're new to the show, you haven't even known these people for a year yet.


I keep asking myself why i am still here. Look at this thread. Why should i put time and energy into entertaining you people? Providing you content? When these are the responses i get.

Your type of response is why now I usually don't bother continuing any further discussion once I realise a person has no interest in thinking outside their own worldview. It becomes boring very quickly.

You have no knowledge of Christianity, only familiarity with Christian values/ concepts because of your upbringing.
You know the core beliefs of Islam only.
You make sweeping statements and then refuse to support your claims.

Yes, tragically my non-believing husband and everyone -including you - will end up in Hell if they continue to reject Jesus.
I believe the bible.

 

[JoChris]

It's interesting to see someone that was sympathizing with Islam get attacked by a Muslim. Just goes to show ya.
Plus, this argument is getting so tiring by now, why am I still here? Lol

I don't hold hostility towards Muslim people. They attack only because they cannot defend their religion.

The vast majority of them know very little about their religion outside what they are taught in their mosques.

 

[polymoog]

That's nice, I respect that, but what is natural law according to you?

natural law is deemed 'the golden rule of the universe'. simply put, it means, ''dont steal'', which is spread in width and breadth across every aspect of living. for example, dont steal extends to stealing other peoples' time, stealing life that does not belong to you, etc.

without hijacking this thread any further:

A Clear Working Definition of NATURAL LAW | Mark Passio

ORIGINAL VIDEOS: Part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUHN3gNxWo Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57UBuxnicOA Part 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=204aGDVa3Vw I do not own the content of this video. All credit belongs to the rightful owners. The sharing of this video is for...

www.bitchute.com

in the description, there are links to 3 parts of his talk. check them out. max igan discusses this too, but i think mark passio is more interesting and comprehensive.

 

[Seekeroftruth55]

If you're talking about @JoChris notice that she threw the first punch with claiming i wasn't a Christian for 30 years, when my entire life was Christian.

I know these people here very well. I can tell you things about them that would make your head spin. You'd be amazed how much goes on in private messages around here. There are no "sympathizers of Islam". They have all taken shots, Especially the trinnys like JoChris who thinks her own husband is going to hell. Really what kind of a judge is that?.

Like i said before, you're new to the show, you haven't even known these people for a year yet.


I keep asking myself why i am still here. Look at this thread. Why should i put time and energy into entertaining you people? Providing you content? When these are the responses i get.

I've been around for almost a year, so I KIND of have an idea, but no, I haven't been here since the beginning.
And no doubt, it doesn't surprise me with a forum like this when people will have all this crazy stuff going on with private messaging and back stabbing..supposed to be a nice place, but it's not.
It is strange you're still around, but makes me wonder if it has to do with why anyone stays here, there's not many areas where people can have as much free speech, even if people will still comment.
Unfortunately some still are pushing their views and that can make it harder

 

[Daze]

I don't hold hostility towards Muslim people.

Come on Jo, you know as well as i do bearing false witness is a grave sin.

 

[Daze]

I've been around for almost a year, so I KIND of have an idea, but no, I haven't been here since the beginning.
And no doubt, it doesn't surprise me with a forum like this when people will have all this crazy stuff going on with private messaging and back stabbing..supposed to be a nice place, but it's not.
It is strange you're still around, but makes me wonder if it has to do with why anyone stays here, there's not many areas where people can have as much free speech, even if people will still comment.
Unfortunately some still are pushing their views and that can make it harder

No, you have no idea. We have several people here who literally make alot of alts with completely different personalities. Sometimes they go undetected for months.

You're right, it is back biting. What people fail to realize is all of it is being recorded and will be brought to account.

Sometimes people can be civil here but idk about calling this a "nice place". There's been alot of venom here for years.

There are a few people i do like here and enjoy engaging with.. and there are others where for me there is no common ground.. like Tempo and Beem for example. So i make good use of the "ignore" function and the boards instantly improve.

I'm not here to argue but alot of people want to pick fights. Like you with your "Islam taking over" thread or Jo with her "never was a Christian" comment. Jo's takan alot of shots over the years so the leash with her is shorter.

Everyone is gonna push their views because human nature makes us all bias. You can accept or ignore them... or like you've done in the past, attack them.

End of the day, real truth will find us when we can actually see the angel of death... and this dream comes to an end.

 

[Daze]

I'm glad Beem approves. I do enjoy living in her head rent free.

 

[Seekeroftruth55]

I won't directly quote anyone here as this will be a general statement.
It's true that things aren't very good, even in this forum. Heck, apparently it's been this way almost from the beginning.
I was saying to Daze that it should be a nice place but it isn't, and that's the truth.
I realized what's really going on with all of us. Sadly, we have all become angry, and even petty, at times. When JoChris said I'm prickly and very sensitive in the petty squabbles thread, she's not wrong. I didn't know how to respond to her properly about this until I fully put thought into it.
Unfortunately, yes I'm like this, and have been for most of my life. There's alot I've gone through and hardly anyone knows about it, so how would they know why I act the way I act? And this is the truth with pretty much everyone on here. We are all angry, we have all been through hell and back in our lives in different ways, or at least most of us have.
We are living in a world rampant of torment and people sadly developing more health problems due to the elites corrupting the human race with chemtrails, GMOs and psychological propaganda. So many of us have chronic physical/mental pain. This is why we lash out so much.
We are living in the worst time the world has ever seen. Some may not believe this, but it feels like the book of Revelations, especially lately. We all don't know how to deal with the corruption and destruction, so we do what humans know how to, GET ANGRY.
Some may deal with this better than others, but let's face it, we are all having a hard time here.
As far as me making a thread about Islam, I have righteous anger toward the situation, but it could of been orchestrated so much better. The thread got buried, and I had to bring it back cause, well, I was simply angry. I was getting sick of seeing infiltrations/propaganda in a forum that's supposed to be about the truth. Sadly enough, these platforms will have these things happen to stray people away from the truth.
I actually wish the thread could be closed, and buried forever. But, I'm not gonna change my stance on the RELIGION of Islam, but like Daze said, that's human nature, we will be biased in our beliefs and push them. I also never called him out specifically or tried to target him, I was making a general statement about how I was seeing an infiltration to be forced to accept this religion, in general.
If he, or anyone else wants to keep believing it, alright, but maybe we should put these things aside and just focus on the corruptions of this world, myself included.

 

[Daze]

I won't directly quote anyone here as this will be a general statement.
It's true that things aren't very good, even in this forum. Heck, apparently it's been this way almost from the beginning.
I was saying to Daze that it should be a nice place but it isn't, and that's the truth.
I realized what's really going on with all of us. Sadly, we have all become angry, and even petty, at times. When JoChris said I'm prickly and very sensitive in the petty squabbles thread, she's not wrong. I didn't know how to respond to her properly about this until I fully put thought into it.
Unfortunately, yes I'm like this, and have been for most of my life. There's alot I've gone through and hardly anyone knows about it, so how would they know why I act the way I act? And this is the truth with pretty much everyone on here. We are all angry, we have all been through hell and back in our lives in different ways, or at least most of us have.
We are living in a world rampant of torment and people sadly developing more health problems due to the elites corrupting the human race with chemtrails, GMOs and psychological propaganda. So many of us have chronic physical/mental pain. This is why we lash out so much.
We are living in the worst time the world has ever seen. Some may not believe this, but it feels like the book of Revelations, especially lately. We all don't know how to deal with the corruption and destruction, so we do what humans know how to, GET ANGRY.
Some may deal with this better than others, but let's face it, we are all having a hard time here.
As far as me making a thread about Islam, I have righteous anger toward the situation, but it could of been orchestrated so much better. The thread got buried, and I had to bring it back cause, well, I was simply angry. I was getting sick of seeing infiltrations/propaganda in a forum that's supposed to be about the truth. Sadly enough, these platforms will have these things happen to stray people away from the truth.
I actually wish the thread could be closed, and buried forever. But, I'm not gonna change my stance on the RELIGION of Islam, but like Daze said, that's human nature, we will be biased in our beliefs and push them. I also never called him out specifically or tried to target him, I was making a general statement about how I was seeing an infiltration to be forced to accept this religion, in general.
If he, or anyone else wants to keep believing it, alright, but maybe we should put these things aside and just focus on the corruptions of this world, myself included.

This place hasn't always been so bad. You say from the beginning and that's not true. This was a good place and actually had decent conversation. Now its mostly 1 eye garbage, the Kpop thread and religious fighting. Which you yourself are guilty of starting fires in.

Problem is most of the good people have left. People like DesertRose, Serveto and Todd have moved on. What remains are people who literally troll one another. Taking shots, mentally damaged people who have nothing better to do then insult people online whom they don't know from Adam.


What is your righteous anger towards Islam? Why are you not angry towards Buddhists? Hindu's? Taoist's? Atheists? These faiths and more are attacks on your religion simply for existing, are they not? Do you think Christians are not converting to them? You need to take off your blinders and see Christianity is doing itself in.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1668198317874987009

Islam is growing, it is the fastest growing faith on the planet and you need to ask yourself why this is. Why is the world against Islam, including you? What has Islam done to you specifically? I could care less if you hate Islam, truth is millions do while 1000's more make a fortune from attacking it in the public square. But you need to ask yourself why you hate it. Do you think Islam could ever succeed unless God willed it? Indeed God has absolute control over every atom.

I am not pushing Islam on anyone. I merely point out Islamic beliefs and many people here hate that. Why? I'll tell you why, because the devil only has one enemy and that is pure monotheism.


Even when evil fills the world my life is not so bad and i don't "get angry". I do when someone insults my religion but not when someone leaves it because all is God's will.

I suggest you ask God to show you the truth. What you are lacking is peace of heart, peace of mind. Only God can give that.




You have made Muslims your enemy when we are closer to Christians then any other religion on the planet.

You will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant. (5:82 Quran)

What is it about you that removes you from that group? Because you are certainly antagonistic when it comes to the faith of 2 billion people.

May God guide you.

 

[Daze]

In the US we have vending machines that literally dispense materials for drug use.
To help crack addicts get high. Paid for by our tax dollars.

NYC’s drug-themed vending machine cleaned out of crack pipes overnight: ‘They should re-stock’

The city’s new anti-drug vending machine, which offers free crack pipes and other items in Brooklyn, was cleaned out by local addicts overnight, with one drug user telling The Post, “I …

nypost.com

Seems these exist in Canada as well.

A Vending Machine in Canada Is Dispensing a Drug Twice as Strong as Heroin

Hydromorphone, aka "Dilly," is now available to people who aren't ready or able to quit opioids.

www.vice.com

In the US today we have millions of drug addicts.

The alleged war on drugs and "just say no" campaign have proven to be a massive failure.

Obviously the US is not a nation concerned with shariah law. Not when alphabet agencies are importing most of the drugs.

But take a look at one who is.




The Opium fields that were very profitable for the CIA in Afghanistan for years have nearly been wiped out.
Because God has forbidden intoxicants.

"Indeed, intoxicants, gambling and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful."
(5:90 Quran)


Imagine if the US didn't have a medical industrial complex made powerful by so many Americans purchasing narcotics otherwise known as "prescription drugs"?

For one, we wouldn't of a had to suffer through 2 years of the scam-demic. Which we are still seeing the effects of today. That is a globally shut down economy bringing about massive inflation.

Today if i went to the hospital and got an aspirin it would literally cost me $50. The same pill i can get over the counter for a buck or two.

There is a reason the medical industrial complex can rival the military industrial complex today. Its mainly due to addictive pharma drugs like Oxycontin, Xanax and Methadone, which i can easily get through any corrupt doctor.

But capitalism chases the almighty $ and couldn't care less what the Almighty has to say about it.


Imagine how different life would be if the US was a God fearing nation?