Eye on Israel...(...and The Spiritual Battle Behind The War...)

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In order to be a Christian Zionist/dispensationalist, you have to reject a lot of passages in the Bible especially in the New Testament such as:

Romans 9:23-26, "and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? As He says also in Hosea: “I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved.” “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, You are not My people,’ There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

1 Corinthians 1:23-24, "but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God."
The message of "Christ crucified" is power and wisdom to both Jews and non-Jews who believe. The method of salvation is identical for both classes.

1 Peter 2:9-10, "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy." Peter was writing to faithful Christian believers in Gentile countries (1 Peter 1:1-2). Christian believers of all nationalities are now God's chosen people, even though formerly this was not the case. Peter could not have been more specific in his terminology: "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people."

God's promise to Abraham, "in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed" (Genesis 12:3), has been remarkably fulfilled. Paul underlines the point. "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, declared the gospel beforehand to Abraham saying, 'All the Gentiles shall be blessed in you.' For this reason, those who believe are blessed with Abraham who believed" (Galatians 3:8-9).

Jesus was a Jew. "Salvation is from the Jews" (John 4:22). Jesus' apostles who made enormous sacrifices to bring the Christian Gospel to the world were Jews. Paul, the great apostle to the Gentiles, was a Jew. Gentile Christians are deeply indebted to Jews for their cooperation with Jesus in launching and fostering the Christian Church and in disseminating the Judaeo-Christian tradition.

I'll stick with biblical doctrine even though most Christians do not believe or teach it. The truth is still the truth no matter how many people believe it. Anyway in the Bible the minority always have the truth. Its never with the majority even within Christendom sadly.
 
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I used to think this was Isaac vs Ismael. Then I read the Quran (17:104) and argued that actually the Quran supports a true messianic ISRAEL.
This is why ill never go public (im not soft spoken either which would go against me), there's always more to learn and often times ill do a U-turn on my own beliefs. Basically I realised the palestinians are actually the true remnant of Zechariah 13.

The 'xtians' don't really know scripture well, they tend to make it up as they go along. For example Zechariah 12 and 13 are vastly different. Zech 12 is about God's full support for messianic Israel..it is a reference to the Gog and Magog prophecy which is not only post-messianic, but post-BEAST, post-armageddon/eurhrates war ie it has nothing to do with the modern era. However Zechariah 13 is strictly post-Jesus ie after his rejection.

“Awake, sword, against my shepherd,
against the man who is close to me!”
declares the Lord Almighty.
“Strike the shepherd,
and the sheep will be scattered,
and I will turn my hand against the little ones.


side note: he is God in the flesh? but then God repeatedly calls him 'my shepherd' or 'my slave/abd' and Christians say this refers to his flesh. Yet they say he is FULLY GOD in the flesh. Yet Jesus differentiates between his flesh nature as 'son of man/son of David' vs his Logos incarnature nature as 'Son of God'. Yet Jesus says THE SON (of God, the LOGOS) doesnt know the last hour. Likewise he says The Son can do nothing on his own.

Zech 13 refers to events taking place after the rejection of Jesus. That is, the roman destruction of Judah and Jerusalem.

In the whole land,” declares the Lord,
“two-thirds will be struck down and perish;
yet one-third will be left in it.
9 This third I will put into the fire;
I will refine them like silver
and test them like gold.
They will call on my name
and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’
and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”



going by Luke 21, Jesus told his JEWISH followers, to flee to the mountains to avoid the coming destruction/punishment. so it makes sense that the ones who were safe, were in hiding, thus, they returned and inherited the land.
it talks of God 'refinding them like silver' and this makes sense in light of Luke 21 where Jesus says

12 “But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13 And so you will bear testimony to me. 14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17 Everyone will hate you because of me. 18 But not a hair of your head will perish. 19 Stand firm, and you will win life.

So here's the thing...
the camp who remained...never left. They were absorbed into a palestinian identity under roman rule, were christian, then became muslim.

This is not a lie..
Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool and must be considered closely related and not genetically separate, the authors state. Rivalry between the two races is therefore based 'in cultural and religious, but not in genetic differences', they conclude.

Blood Brothers: Palestinians and Jews Share Genetic Roots
Jews break down into three genetic groups, all of which have Middle Eastern origins – which are shared with the Palestinians and Druze.



if you're christian and you support israel, it's only because you hate islam.

Revelation 12's 1260 days prophecy refers to the gentiles trampling over the temple mount for 1260 days. in line with the '1 day like a year' in prophecy rule, this is 1260 lunar yrs, the exact period islam ruled the temple mount.

Revelation 13 then connects the true remnant, with the 'wilderness' and again with 1260 days. It tells us after this period ends, THE DRAGON (satan) will make war against 'her children'

literally this is the whore of babylon murdering the children of Sarah (the true remnant).

80% of israelis, the ashkenazis who rule it...are lactose intolerant. Literally claiming the land of MILK and honey.

If that was not enough, the themes that define messianic israel of Ezekiel 38..is

1 You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.

unwalled villages, without gates and bars..

we have an israel today that has partition walls, checkpoints and even boasts in 'the iron dome'

a peaceful and unsuspecting people
so we have mossad and memritv (ie they are so suspicious of muslims, they are 24-7 monitoring the entire muslim worlds media).literally the best of the best spyware is made in israel.
of course, with the best airforce in the world, or so they claim....and the idf, they are anyting but 'peaceful'

so essentially this fake israel that has hijacked the name, is literally shitting on Ezekiel 38, whilst it, is literally made up of 80% lactose intolerant ashkenazis who are of GOMER, which is with Gog and Magog.


every one who reads this, knows im right. there isnt a single counter argument.
 

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In order to be a Christian Zionist/dispensationalist, you have to reject a lot of passages in the Bible especially in the New Testament such as:
I'm not a dispensationalist. I don't like labels and I have learned not to attach myself greatly to any single doctrine or theology. That being said my beliefs on this topic are closest to classic Pre-millenialism. Polycarp, a disciple of the Apostle John, who wrote the book of revelation, held all the tennants of classic Pre-millenialism, which is different that dispensationlist pre-millenialism. I think a direct disciple of the Apostle John might have a pretty good idea about eschatology.

Romans 9:23-26, "and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? As He says also in Hosea: “I will call them My people, who were not My people, And her beloved, who was not beloved.” “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them, You are not My people,’ There they shall be called sons of the living God.”
The gentile church being grafted into Israel is in alignment with this scripture.

1 Corinthians 1:23-24, "but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God." The message of "Christ crucified" is power and wisdom to both Jews and non-Jews who believe. The method of salvation is identical for both classes.
Again my belief does not contradict this scripture. In no way does my belief, that the call of Israel is irrevocable, mean that I believe thay can be saved outside of Christ crucified.
1 Peter 2:9-10, "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy." Peter was writing to faithful Christian believers in Gentile countries (1 Peter 1:1-2). Christian believers of all nationalities are now God's chosen people, even though formerly this was not the case. Peter could not have been more specific in his terminology: "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people."
Of course Pete would say this, becuase Peter acknowledged that the gentile church as grafted in with the Jewish believers. The Bible records in Acts that the Apostles debate was about how gentile believers could join the Jewish Church, not how Jewish believers could join the gentile church.

God's promise to Abraham, "in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed" (Genesis 12:3), has been remarkably fulfilled. Paul underlines the point. "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, declared the gospel beforehand to Abraham saying, 'All the Gentiles shall be blessed in you.' For this reason, those who believe are blessed with Abraham who believed" (Galatians 3:8-9).

Jesus was a Jew. "Salvation is from the Jews" (John 4:22). Jesus' apostles who made enormous sacrifices to bring the Christian Gospel to the world were Jews. Paul, the great apostle to the Gentiles, was a Jew. Gentile Christians are deeply indebted to Jews for their cooperation with Jesus in launching and fostering the Christian Church and in disseminating the Judaeo-Christian tradition.
Not sure why you think these scriptures point to god rejecting the Jews and replacing them with the Church.

I'll stick with biblical doctrine even though most Christians do not believe or teach it. The truth is still the truth no matter how many people believe it. Anyway in the Bible the minority always have the truth. Its never with the majority even within Christendom sadly.
Now who sounds condescending? LOL!
I actually agree that the minority usually have the truth on most doctrines, which I find strange for you to mention, since the majority of protestant mainline church leadership and the RCC all hold to some form of replacement theology.[/quote][/QUOTE]
 

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@Todd
I'm not a dispensationalist. I don't like labels and I have learned not to attach myself greatly to any single doctrine or theology. That being said my beliefs on this topic are closest to classic Pre-millenialism. Polycarp, a disciple of the Apostle John, who wrote the book of revelation, held all the tennants of classic Pre-millenialism, which is different that dispensationlist pre-millenialism. I think a direct disciple of the Apostle John might have a pretty good idea about eschatology.
You're a Christian Zionist, so it is dispensationalist teaching. Its comes from the same sources that began dispensationalism, which is Jesuitism then it trickled into Protestantism.

The gentile church being grafted into Israel is in alignment with this scripture.
It is but if you believe the Jews observing feasts and in their Torah which has stunted their religion and beliefs then its contradicts your beliefs I'm afraid.

Again my belief does not contradict this scripture. In no way does my belief, that the call of Israel is irrevocable, mean that I believe thay can be saved outside of Christ crucified.
It does especially if you believe in the Torah and observing the feasts. That is rejection of Christ like the Jews and contrary to Bible doctrine.

Of course Pete would say this, becuase Peter acknowledged that the gentile church as grafted in with the Jewish believers. The Bible records in Acts that the Apostles debate was about how gentile believers could join the Jewish Church, not how Jewish believers could join the gentile church.
Agree but again if you continue in your beliefs about Israel it contradicts Peter doesn't it?.

Not sure why you think these scriptures point to god rejecting the Jews and replacing them with the Church.
God never replaced Israel with the Church, believing Gentiles (wild shoots) joined or were grafted onto the olive tree which is Israel/the Church. Its the unbelieving Jews (the natural branches) that rejected Christ that left Israel/the church. If the unbelieving Jews accept Christ as Saviour then they will be grafted back in, "And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?" (Romans 11:23-24).

Now who sounds condescending? LOL!
I actually agree that the minority usually have the truth on most doctrines, which I find strange for you to mention, since the majority of protestant mainline church leadership and the RCC all hold to some form of replacement theology.
How is truth condescending. What you're saying here is not biblical and so I'll stick to biblical teaching.

I don't believe in replacement theology as I've explained above. The unbelieving Jews left Israel and the believing Gentiles joined Israel. This is not replacement doctrine is it? The state of Israel is not the Israel of God because those Jews rejected Christ and were broken off the olive tree/Israel.
 
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I never said anything about a denomination. Thank you for the explanation about the ceremonial law vs moral law. Not sure I agree with that or see where the New Testament or Jesus clearly teach that, but it's great explanation of your dogma.
I know you never brought up anything about a denomination, I saw your response to someone who always does.

Whenever the law is talked about in the Bible, most times its referring to the ten commandments which are God's eternal law. And the Bible tells us when we sin we've broken the law, "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4). Jesus never sinned because He never transgressed the law.

The Sabbath is at the heart of the law and was kept by Jesus and the apostles (Luke 4:16; Acts 13:13-14; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4), and will be kept for all eternity. The Bible is clear that only those who obey the law will make it to heaven. We can't obey the law on our own of course, we can do it with Jesus in control of our lives.

Whether we agree with the God's Word or not, its always the truth isn't it?

There was a period where I studied and embraced Replacement Theology but ultimately I can't reconcile it with Romans 11.
I know I've not responded to these posts in order but I will repeat myself, I don't believe in replacement theology. Its not biblical. The Gentiles joined Israel/the Church and the unbelieving Jews lefts Israel/the Church according to Romans 11 as I showed you in the previous post. This goes hand in hand with what the Bible says about the church:

Ephesians 4:4, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling."

Colossians 1:18, "And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence."


Jesus is not head of the Jews and the Israel that rejected Him. That is why I don't think of the state of Israel as Israel. Its certainly not the Israel God chose or envisaged. Only those who accept Him as their Saviour are Israelites/Jewish.

Israel or the church is built on Jesus, the Rock (1 Corinthians 3:11; 10:4), and “the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18). Jesus died for His church (Ephesians 5:25) and only those who accept His death in our stead are the Church.

Romans 11:7–8, “But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you."
You've mistakenly posted the wrong verses here. They are not 7-8 but 17-18.

Paul is telling the Gentiles not to be arrogant and think somehow they are better than the Jews. If some of the branches were broken off (the Jews) then God can do the same to them, "For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off" (Roman 11:21-22).

I'm not being arrogant about the the Jews (the natural branches that were broken off). I'm telling the truth about them. The Jews broke off from Israel (the olive tree) because of their unbelief but can be grafted back in if they believe. And Gentiles can be cut off too if because of unbelief. Its the same deal for both Jews and Gentiles clearly.

The Jews cannot go off and do their own thing by rejecting Christ as Messiah, observe ceremonial feasts that were fulfilled in Christ and build a third temple that will bring back all the ceremonial feasts that have been done away with, and have a high priest when we have the real High Priest in heaven who went into the heavenly temple with His own blood and not with the blood of goats and calves like in the earthly sanctuary and temple, and think its acceptable to God when its actually an abomination. For a Christian to believe this too is sad and they ignore and reject clear scripture on this subject.

I can't get past that the arrogance spoken of by Paul is directed squarely at Replacement Theology.
You really misunderstood what I was saying but hopefully I've made myself clearer on replacement theology which is not biblical.

The unbelieving Jews left Israel by choice and believing Gentiles joined Israel the Church by choice. Spiritual Israel/the true Church of God is made up of believing Jews (those who never left or who returned) and believing Gentiles, so says the Word of God.

As I said I will stick to God's Word and not man-made doctrine but this is really my last response to you on this subject.

God bless.
 
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"Netanyahu’s office releases horrifying images of infants murdered by Hamas..."

Spokesman for prime minister says the decision to share shocking photos was made ‘so that the world will see just a fraction of the horrors that Hamas carried out’

 

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"Netanyahu’s office releases horrifying images of infants murdered by Hamas..."

Spokesman for prime minister says the decision to share shocking photos was made ‘so that the world will see just a fraction of the horrors that Hamas carried out’

where is the evidence?? A staged photo doesn’t count. Coward.
 

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This egg has posted doctored images which have already been debunked and one new blurred image which could be of anything.

it’s funny how the images of babies killed by Israel are plenty online
 
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