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A Freeman

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We are presently witnessing the early stages of the end of the global financial ponzi scheme that has been kicking the can down the road for decades, making those who own and control the markets filthy rich with their fraudulent central banks and manipulated cycles of boom and bust.

People can argue about what all of this means, or whether it will be short lived or how it will affect them, or even if they will be "saved" from the worst of it, while doing absolutely nothing to stop it. That's what people do.

Using his standard MO, Satan divides us into different political parties, different religions/denominations/sects/cults, different forms of government, different cultural beliefs, different sets of rules for what is right and wrong, etc. NONE of these divisions actually exist, except in our minds, but that doesn't stop Satan from manipulating the one thing that makes all of these ILLUSIONS seem like reality: our egos. That's how Lucifer/Satan/Iblis is so successful getting people to wonder about what is happening or is going to happen, instead of asking WHY this is happening.

EVERYTHING that is happening right now is happening for ONE reason: because we still haven't learned our lesson and keep repeating the same mistakes over and over, expecting things to somehow come out differently. The classic definition of insanity, as Einstein pointed out. And what are these mistakes that we keep repeating that prove we haven't learned our lessons? We keep believing that Satan and his illusions (lies) are reality (warped as it may be) and that our Creator and the TRUTH He has shared with us for our own good are allegedly a fairy tale. All part of our mass insanity.

We were given The Perfect Law by our Creator to protect us from all of this evil and to set and keep us FREE. Under His Perfect Law of Liberty, there would be no man-made governments, no political parties and no left or right, no organized religions, no made up rules and legal systems to steal from us, no rich v. poor, no us v. them, etc. We would be ONE people, with ONE Perfect Law defining what IS right and wrong, producing true freedom and justice for ALL., eventually transforming the entire world into ONE United Kingdom under God, with ONE language and with everyone of ONE mind to DO GOD'S WILL.

And what is God's Will? That we Love Him (Truth) and one another more than anything else, including our "selves" and this temporary human existence. IF we did that, it would be impossible for any of us to break The Law, which would in turn end oppression, injustice, poverty and the crime poverty creates, allowing everyone to live in prosperity and peace under the safety and security that only God can provide.

But we are stiff-necked and stubborn, and are always looking for some way to prove God wrong, so we can keep our egos inflated, thinking we know better than God how to run our lives and this planet. Just look what we've done to this beautiful world, brought now to the brink of destruction with our delusions of infinite resources and infinite economic growth which is, in fact, not only totally unsustainable, but is destroying everything.

This materialistic, throw-it-away consumer-driven Babylonian market system IS destroying this planet. How can we be certain of that? Common-sense observation and modicum of faith that our Creator knows better than we do.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and Thy wrath is come, and the Time of the "Dead" (Matt. 8:22), that they should be Judged, and that Thou shouldest give reward unto Thy Servants the Prophets, and to the holy people, and them that fear Thy name, small and great; and SHOULDEST DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH.

Have we not been warned repeatedly that being materialistic, wasteful, destructive, and divided, with everyone serving their own selfish interests, leads us AWAY from God (TRUTH) to our own destruction?

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and materialism.

Why all of this speculation then on what is the "mark of the beast", which people won't be able to buy or sell without?

At this very moment, the foundation is being laid with this MANUFACTURED coronavirus "pandemic" to convert to a cashless system, where our governmental overlords decide who gets to keep their credits and who doesn't.

T.h.e.y. already have most people doing their banking and shopping electronically, so it will likely be an easy matter to get people to accept a cashless society in the wake of a perceived global pandemic that t.h.e.y. created. In fact, eventually people will probably beg them to do it.

Will it then become mandatory to have an RFID chip implanted to continue receiving "credits" to buy and sell? Perhaps, but WHAT ABOUT VACCINATIONS?

Do you really think it's an accident or dumb luck that the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation are the media front company pushing vaccinations? How many of you would line up for coronavirus vaccinations tomorrow, if they were offered? What about 3-6 months from now, if the situation worsens? Haven't we been warned about this too?

1 Timothy 5:20-21 (KJV 1 Tim. 6:20-21)
5:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and OPPOSITIONS OF SCIENCE (knowledge) FALSELY SO CALLED:
5:21 Which some professing [to have] have erred concerning the faith. Grace [be] with thee. Amen.

Galatians 5:19-21
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, PHARMACY, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall NOT inherit The Kingdom of God.

Anyone driven by fear, materialism and the love of their pitiful and fleeting human existence will take the mark of the beast, whether they realize it or not. Most already have.

Please learn to get rid of all of your religious superstitions and help unite this world in a mass awakening to return us to spiritual converse with our Creator and His Law (Mal. 4). Those who won't accept His TRUTH and AUTHORITY have really already taken the mark of the beast, and are only waiting for its physical manifestation.

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This light affliction... (?!)


Paul knew about suffering, but he also had another perspective.

2 Corinthians 4

16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 






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not that i don’t appreciate that you try to default to being encouraging in response to my scenario. However, the reality is that this scenario is as simple as you are saying it is, and it isn’t as simple as this all at the same time. Maybe it is somewhere in the middle and we could say it is useful because it can help us entertain a difficult moral choice like this where the right thing would be to continue on without relief, because that relief could be offered by a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

it is sobering and applicable even when the world isn’t coming to an end. It is a common feature in abuse. There is a grooming process that precedes abuse that this revelation is describing that already happens everyday.

It is also useful to use this to help us consider our own weaknesses and limitations. It important to try to overcome them to be prepared for whatever the future looks like even if you don’t end up facing an apocalypse. Faith is an exercise basically. it isn’t a lucky rabbits foot.

And if we are going to be encouraging about this, I have also always believed that however something like manifests, it will be very short lived.

when I would watch dystopian movies about the world one hundred years after some severe disaster, I was always encouraged by the fact that a hundred years does not elapse according to revelation. Revelation says it is hard to keep Gods goodness away for long and there is a rapid rise of a beast and a equally rapid fall.

so the revelation can be just as encouraging as it is sobering which is something else I haven’t thought about in quite some time too.
It’s another trial...and we have been warned before hand what will happen if we cave...so hopefully we will prepare our minds and pray to the Lord to be able to withstand in that time of trouble. I’m afraid that many people are only looking for the way out with the pre trib rapture...and thats why their lamps aren’t full? Matthew 25:1-13


‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:6-9‬ ‭
In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ; and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.

James‬ ‭1:2-4‬ ‭
Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. And let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.​
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Soooo.. We're having a field hospital with military outside erected as we speak where I live.

I guess you have seen this one?


Its coming, baby! But first the antichrist will emerge on the political scene and since it cant be Trump due to him being hated by the left and the AC would be loved by everyone..He hasnt come forth yet so I'm guessing the vaccine and the chip will start 2021 just like the agenda was: Agenda 21.
 






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Soooo.. We're having a field hospital with military outside erected as we speak where I live.

I guess you have seen this one?


Its coming, baby! But first the antichrist will emerge on the political scene and since it cant be Trump due to him being hated by the left and the AC would be loved by everyone..He hasnt come forth yet so I'm guessing the vaccine and the chip will start 2021 just like the agenda was: Agenda 21.
Looks like the usual suspects are lining up to pave the way for the ultimate “Dear Leader”...

 






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When I used to think about a vaccine and the mark, I pictured something a little more universal than this. There is nothing universal about a vaccine for one strain of the flu when there are still thousands of other strains that could make you sick.

Quite frankly, in the time it would take to make a universal vaccine that could be considered a mark of the beast by some, they could determine completely that the Bible has no historical value.

if the Bible has no historical value. There really is no reason to even believe that something like a mark will even happen and researchers are being left with no other option right now. There is just no historical evidence of ancient Israel, which would mean Jesus was never a Jew. He was more than likely a Zoroastrian and there is historical evidence that this existed in antiquity.

“The Dinkard, a ninth century Persian work says there were only ever two copies of Zoroaster’s monumental work, one of which was burned and the other was confiscated by the Greeks.


this copy that was confiscated by the Greeks is more than likely how the Septuagint was created. If there is a mark, it is just going to be because they are trying to distract the general public from the actual archeology of the area, but we are on the brink of where they won’t be able to do this anymore. so it’s just a matter of whether they can fake a end times situation before this becomes general knowledge which it should already be.
 






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Mexico is closing the border to the states, NYC has had 100 dead within the last 24 hours and Afghanistans reeasing 10.000 prisoners whatever that's good for except bringing in chaos. So my guess is that the AC will come next year which goes in lign with why Jerusalem have started the sacrifices aswell.
 






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Quite frankly, in the time it would take to make a universal vaccine that could be considered a mark of the beast by some, they could determine completely that the Bible has no historical value.

if the Bible has no historical value. There really is no reason to even believe that something like a mark will even happen and researchers are being left with no other option right now.
I think it very likely that a dismissal of Biblical historicity and of prophecy will be popular themes with those who will ultimately take the Mark.

An awareness of prophetic possibilities may be more significant than ever right now, even for those who think those prophecies might be fictional!

A vaccine itself would not be considered “The Mark”, but perhaps an RNA vaccine coupled with a identification chip (which might essentially prove you were not a risk), linked to the ability to carry out transactions might be. I don’t think we will truly know till it is fully upon us, despite of how close things appear right now.

When Revelation 13 is the subject of the evening headlines, perhaps even the most hardened anti-Biblical stalwarts may reconsider their positions.
 






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Mexico is closing the border to the states, NYC has had 100 dead within the last 24 hours and Afghanistans reeasing 10.000 prisoners whatever that's good for except bringing in chaos. So my guess is that the AC will come next year which goes in lign with why Jerusalem have started the sacrifices aswell.
Careful of predicting anything Vixy...
 






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I think it very likely that a dismissal of Biblical historicity and of prophecy will be popular themes with those who will ultimately take the Mark.

An awareness of prophetic possibilities may be more significant than ever right now, even for those who think they might be fictional!

A vaccine itself would not be considered “The Mark”, but perhaps an RNA vaccine coupled with a identification chip (which might essentially prove you were not a risk), linked to the ability to carry out transactions might be. I don’t think we will truly know till it is fully upon us, despite of how close things appear right now.

When Revelation 13 is the subject of the evening headlines, perhaps even the most hardened anti-Biblical stalwarts may reconsider their positions.
I agree...one must remember that we start out with birthing pangs till the last 7 years. And in birthing pangs they get more intense the closer it gets and its nearly non stop until the birth...I don’t think that this can be considered the worst before the worst...so I assume its another birthing pang. Perhaps it leads to a mark..but I still think the mark is a big enough incentive on its own without getting a vaccine.

Plus, isn’t the world leadership supposed to change dramatically in the end?
Daniel 7:24
The ten horns are ten kings who shall arise from this kingdom and another shall rise after them; he shall be different from the first ones, and shall subdue three kings.

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I think it very likely that a dismissal of Biblical historicity and of prophecy will be popular themes with those who will ultimately take the Mark.

An awareness of prophetic possibilities may be more significant than ever right now, even for those who think they might be fictional!

A vaccine itself would not be considered “The Mark”, but perhaps an RNA vaccine coupled with a identification chip (which might essentially prove you were not a risk), linked to the ability to carry out transactions might be. I don’t think we will truly know till it is fully upon us, despite of how close things appear right now.

When Revelation 13 is the subject of the evening headlines, perhaps even the most hardened anti-Biblical stalwarts may reconsider their positions.
I don’t think you realize the magnitude of what would be different if people accepted the evidence that this is true. It is not a case of people being unconcerned with whether something is equivalent to a mark.

it is something else altogether. there is so much that is centered around the idea that Israel was real in antiquity and Jesus was a Jew. I don’t think your seeing the reality that would be created if this were removed. It is a superstitious illusion to think that people will become atheist or that the mark of the beast will be reflective of a sort of atheism considering the role that religion plays throughout history and in the world today. It would actually be a way to end much religious conflict between three major religions, which would probably be the most peaceful result that we could expect right now.

it would more or less be like having the dust settle. All these religious differences based on false history would settle to the ground and everything else would stay the same. There is no reason to assume that someone would emerge the grand supreme leader after this especially when the primary teachings that suggest the centralizing of a grand supreme leader are gone.

if there is no reason to believe that Israel is a future Mecca of spiritual relief because there is no history of ancient Israel, then everyone can basically go back to business as usual and the world would really be a better place to have truth overall. Archeology is saying this is the truth, and it is irresponsible to withhold it.

if anything, withholding this reality makes the church seem like they are set up to be the beast. There has been firm conclusions for fifty years that there never was an ancient Israel but the church is the primary influence that is withholding this and choosing to propagate the fear that an antichrist is coming. Maybe we should look in the mirror to see who the real antichrist is.

it is just delusional to think that there is no evidence of ancient Israel because of atheism when the archeological effort has been led by Christians and Jews for around 200 years. This is just more of the fear porn fed to Christians trying to get them to believe that someone who doesn’t accept Christ follows the devil and should be met with skepticism.

even still, a vaccine for one strain of flu is not a panacea that could be tied economically. There is nothing in the prophecy about changing dna either. That is pure speculation.
 






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Seriously pull your heads out of the sand and realize that the reason the truth about the history can’t be told is because the church would have the largest tantrum and the world is tiptoeing around causing this explosion.

it would literally be the thing to finally break up the United States so the Bible Belt could have their own country. The idea of being weak and persecuted is just ridiculous right now. The church is currently the winner writing the history books whether the information can be considered true or not.
 






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There has been firm conclusions for fifty years that there never was an ancient Israel but the church is the primary influence that is withholding this and choosing to propagate the fear that an antichrist is coming.
Do you believe anything in the Bible?
 






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If the Bible were the most historically accurate book in the world, then there wouldn't be a dispute over including the information in history class. I homeschooled two children for a couple of years in a Christian program which included grades 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 since my children were in different grades during this time.

I saw all of their history courses in a curriculum that could integrate the Bible anywhere it wanted. When the kids were small, it was harder to get information that wasn't given at church or in small group settings. Now that they are older, I can see that the information is not included in their history class because it just isn't there to include.

If it were there, I have had my kids in a program for years that would have been the first to include anything that might link a legitimate history to the Bible. It just isn't there. I know this is disappointing, but it is an illusion that the church is trying to create that this is rejected because of some form of persecution to try to protect people from learning the truth. The history of the area does not support the Bible and if people were to realize this, it would also dispel the ability to centralize an authority to a certain degree.

The desire for power still exists, but the script that is included in the Bible would no longer be able to be used to accomplish this and that would be a good thing.
 






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@rainerann

Put simply, if the Bible is fictional and the prophecies it contains are just opportunities for confirmation bias to hang world events on, the mere coincidence that the “elites” pick a Biblical template to model their New World Order on rather than (for example) an Islamic one, does not mean that any of it is “true”.

I can see this line becoming very popular, particularly in the early days of the time of Jacob’s Trouble. For many, the trap of enslavement to the world system of the Antichrist will close gently upon them, with a smirk of irony.

As for me, I can’t shake the idea that the one who said “In the beginning was the Word” meant it.
 






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If the Bible were the most historically accurate book in the world, then there wouldn't be a dispute over including the information in history class. I homeschooled two children for a couple of years in a Christian program which included grades 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 since my children were in different grades during this time.

I saw all of their history courses in a curriculum that could integrate the Bible anywhere it wanted. When the kids were small, it was harder to get information that wasn't given at church or in small group settings. Now that they are older, I can see that the information is not included in their history class because it just isn't there to include.

If it were there, I have had my kids in a program for years that would have been the first to include anything that might link a legitimate history to the Bible. It just isn't there. I know this is disappointing, but it is an illusion that the church is trying to create that this is rejected because of some form of persecution to try to protect people from learning the truth. The history of the area does not support the Bible and if people were to realize this, it would also dispel the ability to centralize an authority to a certain degree.

The desire for power still exists, but the script that is included in the Bible would no longer be able to be used to accomplish this and that would be a good thing.
So, you don’t believe Jesus is God and you don’t believe that God has/had a chosen people..yet you can still say you are a Christian? Yikes!
 






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Do you believe anything in the Bible?
I believe that the Bible is rooted in something real and the truth of where this information originated is oppressed. I find it hard to understand how any Christian could argue that the church is not oppressed considering the presence of denominational conflicts.

However, it would seem like this is more than likely Zoroastrian writings.

From the Zend Avesta

"O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! Can the eating vessels be made clean that have been touched by the carcase of a dog, or by the corpse of a man?
74 (184). Ahura Mazda answered: 'They can, O holy Zarathustra!'"

This whole section of Zoroastrian writings resembles the conversation that Abraham has before Sodom and Gomorrah is destroyed. Abraham asks how many righteous people would be enough to save the city.

"Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?”
He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
31 Abraham said, “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?”
He said, “For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it.” Genesis 18:30-31

"“The Dinkard, a ninth century Persian work says there were only ever two copies of Zoroaster’s monumental work, one of which was burned and the other was confiscated by the Greeks."


So there is a root that was replaced by something else created by the Greeks.
 






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