Dr. William Campbell destroyed by Dr. Zakir Naik on scientific errors in the Bible MUST WATCH!!

[manama]

Saying arab = muslim, is like saying white = christian.

 

[JoChris]

Christianity is dying via birthrates cuz your kids don't like church lol bye

If fake converts leave then it is good, however sad it is from the human perspective.

Churches should examine themselves to see how well they are teaching young people about Jesus and the Gospel though. There have been some weaknesses discussed e.g. dumbed down teaching makes young adults unable to defend their faith at university.

Muslims don't have same attack to face as young Christian adults because of 1. extreme PC correctness 2. unable/ unlikely to go to university in first place 3. only stay within own culture for any length of time (therefore don't see other perspective/ keep to what they know).

So frankly you lot are mollycoddled and don't know what it is like to face spiritual attack from all directions. It is easy to assume you have strong faith if all your family and suburb is firm in faith too.

 

[JoChris]

Is that your opinion or can you back it up? In the mosque I attend we have new converts to Islam almost every week, recently a young boy of about 11 or 12 years old came and declared his shahada. I'm not making this up... if it is happening so often in the one masjid I attend, I imagine it happens often elsewhere as well. More people convert to Islam than any other religion.

I am sure there are more specific details but Wikipedia is a good starting point. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_of_Islam

In Australia there has been news about Muslims moving into areas and the Muslim population increasing there because of higher birth rates.

 

[Karlysymon]

The arabization of Islam is the issue. Statistically speaking, the largest Muslim populace is Indonesia (I think!) and if we evaluate the reliability of collecting global data via such research methods, any researcher would tell you, accuracy is unachievable. There are remote nations for instance or people living in regions where data collection would be considered unreliable due to the rampancy of corruption. So whilst Christianity is considered to be the faith which has the greatest following, that fact could be contested.

Point is, there could be many dormant Muslims around the globe and the West for a long time now, hasn't been a God fearing region. So we should consider why God has been forgotten in the very civilisation which prides itself on advancement and yet is incredibly corrupt and morally destitute.

Russia has a sizeable Muslim population as well as China (Uyghurs) and obviously some former Soviet countries, so I only see the he tapering off in the West.

Yes, there is a directed attack at Abrahamic faiths simply because a pious society isn't good for business. An amoral society is what the elite prize so that people can buy into all their crap. That's why you have to undermine those institutions first. Remember when shops never opened up on Sundays?
Apparently, in order to reduce church attendance (in the 50s), it was decided that matches, of whatever sport would be screened at what were "church hours". The men stopped attending (don't want to miss a match) and the laxity slowly spread to the entire family. But that's just one angle, throw in evolution and a bunch of other things and it's all gone downhill since.

 

[Haich]

Many Muslims in the west are actually having less kids. For instance in the UK, Bangladeshis are actually having less children in comparison to their elders.

 

[Karlysymon]

I agree with Haich. It was discussed in my "End of Humanity" thread, that even the ones moving to Europe won't have as many kids because of environmental factors, which are partly responsible for plummeting birth rates among the natives.

 

[manama]

So frankly you lot are mollycoddled and don't know what it is like to face spiritual attack from all directions.

Coddled? We face dangers to our lives, attacks not only on our identity, our beliefs but also our LIVES. We "lot" have faced more than you all ever will so stop please. Our kids are being murdered, tortured and butchered across the planet, with kids as young as 3 seeing bombing every other day, losing their loved ones. Yet those kids are stronger in their beliefs than probably any of us here.
But your sensitive babies are getting spiritually attacked which more often than not is other kids going "man religion is stupid" or things along that line. So tragic.

 

[manama]

Its like someone with a minor cold telling someone with terminal illness "you have no idea about my suffering".

 

[Haich]

Muslims don't have same attack to face as young Christian adults because of 1. extreme PC correctness 2. unable/ unlikely to go to university in first place 3. only stay within own culture for any length of time (therefore don't see other perspective/ keep to what they know

This must only be the case for Muslims in your country.

We have fully immersed and integrated into the UK. You're beginning to sound like Tommy Robinson and like I always say, you guys really need to socialise with your Muslim neighbours or else your skewed and dated perceptions won't change. It also makes you sound racist to group an entire faith group which consists of hundreds and hundreds of nationalities and ethnicities and languages under the term 'Muslims'. I have never heard a Muslim on here speak about Christians in the same contempt and disdain, as you do about us. How can you even begin to summarise 'muslim' education and integration trends, without distinguishing and highlighting the cultural disparities?

In the UK, the highest GCSE achievers and uni goers are indeed from west African or Indian/pakistani backgrounds. Many tend to be from muslim families or nations. Education is integral to these communities and they have absolutely dominated the leader board. In recent years, British media have grown concerned for their white English (of Christian origin) youth, you have plummeted in the success ranks. So your views hold absolutely no weight here in the UK, where 'Muslims' are smashing the league tables and racing past your people

Furthermore, in terms of integration, we don't have to go into a pub to show our Britishness. We don't have to surf to show how much we love Austrailia, or have the American flag plastered on our walls. We contribute to the economy, we work, we pay our taxes and we keep the country going just as much as the Christian guy. In the UK, most benefits go to white working class Christian families, contrary to popular belief. So these components you've listed are not only a complete generalisation, they're based on mere conjecture, much like your bible.

If you're going to talk about Muslims, don't group us as one. An Arab Muslim is very different to a Chinese Muslim, as is a Nigerian Muslim to a Kenyan one.

 

[Haich]

If you're from Australia, the biggest Muslim community there are north African Muslims and Arabs. They are family orientated nations and stick to their blood like glue.

How is this a bad thing? The amount of so called Christians I've worked with you chuck their parents into a care home when they're old, yet these communities stick together through thick and thin and you think that's a bad thing?

Maybe you need to stop watching aunties and uncles in their 70s and look at what the active Muslim youth and middle aged communities are doing.

 

[Haich]

Christians face spiritual attacks? Wow white privilege is showing.

Who attacks you exactly? I'd love to hear this. From where I'm sitting, you guys live in your native land, own your homes, have history which you can trace and here you are moaning about spiritual attacks?

Try being colonised by Christians, slaughtered by Christians, uprooted and settling in the very land which destabilise your nation. Only then, to be told 'be grateful'.

 

[Haich]

This is why I don't understand how a person of colour can be Christian. It's the most racially exclusive faith I've ever seen.

You guys make scientologists look appealing.

 

[Etagloc]

@Etagloc

"When Christianity is put to the test- most Christians don't really believe in what they claim to believe. Who knows why they claim it."

I am in America at the moment and I would have answered you differently a week ago.

In America people wear John 3:16 T-shirts, listen to local Christian radio (sometimes sponsored by wealthy Christian business owners) go to churches with big flags outside etc.

Where in the US were/are you?
I have been across the United States- and I'm from the South- and I don't think I've ever seen a person wear a shirt with John 3:16 in my life.

 

[Etagloc]

This is why I don't understand how a person of colour can be Christian. It's the most racially exclusive faith I've ever seen.

You guys make scientologists look appealing.

For so many it seems to be a cover for white nationalism. I am glad I'm not a Christian.

 

[Haich]

Where in the US were/are you?
I have been across the United States- and I'm from the South- and I don't think I've ever seen a person wear a shirt with John 3:16 in my life.

Austin, Texas?

 

[Etagloc]

Austin, Texas?View attachment 13558

Austin is a weird place from what I understand.

 

[Haich]

JoChris' comments are an example of a mindset which has to be addressed in the Christianic faith.
The colonial mindset and attitude seem very much alive in the thoughts of the white western Christian.

Either they aren't aware of its extent, or they're turning a blind eye. In the words of Lisa, maybe they're practising Taqiyya.

 

[Etagloc]

JoChris' comments are an example of a mindset which has to be addressed in the Christianic faith.
The colonial mindset and attitude seem very much alive in the thoughts of the white western Christian.

Either they aren't aware of its extent, or they're turning a blind eye. In the words of Lisa, maybe they're practising Taqiyya.

I think it's the reason for the hostility towards Islam and the unwillingness to accept it.

It's not about logic, reason or looking at things objectively. It's for reasons which really are about culture.

Now for the respectful Christian who has a sentimental attachment to Christianity for cultural reasons and isn't weighing the two objectively for that reason- I sympathize with them.

But for the colonial-minded... when God judges, they'll get what's coming.

Pride : A Barrier to Paradise : Shaykh Abdur-Rahmaan as-Sa’dee

From ‘Abdullaah Ibn Mas’ood radi-Allaahu ‘anhu who related that Allaah’s Messenger sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam said:

“Whoever has an atoms worth of kibr (pride) in his heart will not enter Paradise.” So a man said: What about a person who loves (i.e. takes pride in) wearing beautiful clothes and beautiful shoes? So he replied: “Indeed Allaah is beautiful and loves beauty. Kibr (pride) is to reject the truth, and to despise the people.” 1

So Allaah – the Most High – informs us that the Hellfire is the abode of those who have kibr (pride and arrogance). And we learn from the (above) hadeeth that: “Whoever has on atoms worth of kibr (pride) in his heart will not enter Paradise.” So this is a proof that kibr (pride) necessitates entry into the Hellfire and prevents entry into Paradise. And this comprehensive explanation that the Prophet sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam mentioned has clarified the meaning of kibr (pride) in the dearest possible manner. So he divided kibr into two types:-

[1] Pride against the truth: This is to reject the truth and not to accept it. So anyone who reject the truth is proud and arrogant – in accordance with what he reject of the truth. So it is obligatory upon everyone to humble themselves to the truth which Allaah sent His Messenger with, and which He sent down in His Book. As for those whose pride and arrogance prevents them from totally complying with the Messengers (i.e. having eemaan or faith in them and their message) – then they are kuffaar (unbelievers) who will dwell in the Hellfire for eternity. Since when the truth comes to them via the Messengers, who explain to them the signs and clear proofs, they reject it and are prevented from accepting it, due to the kibr that they harbour in their hearts. Allaah the Most High – said:

“Indeed those who argue about the Signs of Allaah without any authority having come to them, there is nothing in their hearts except kibr (pride). They will never accept the Prophet Muhammad sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam as a Prophet.” [Soorah Ghaafir (40):56]

As for those whose arrogance and pride prevent them from complying with parts of the truth – because it opposes their personal opinions or their whims and desires – then such people are not kuffaar (unbelievers), but such an action necessitates them being punished in accordance with what they have of kibr. This is why the Scholars are agreed that whenever the Sunnah (guidance and way) of Allaah’s Messenger sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam has been explained to anyone, then it is not lawful for him to turn away from it to the saying of someone else, whoever and whatever status he may have. So it is obligatory upon the seeker of knowledge to give complete and absolute precedence to the saying of Allaah and the saying of His Messenger sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam over and above the saying of anyone else, and that he should make that the basis to which he returns, and the foundation upon which he builds; following the guidance of the Prophet sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam, striving hard to understand what is intended from it, and following this, both inwardly and outwardly. When a person conforms to this great principle, then he has indeed reached goodness and excellence, and all his errors will be forgiven to him; since his overall objective is to follow that which has been prescribed upon him. So his errors are excused due to his striving his best to recognise and comply with the truth – and this is humbling oneself to the truth.

[2] Pride towards people: This type is to despise the people, and to look down upon them. This attitude arises when a person is amazed with his own self, thinks highly of himself, and thinks he is better than others. So this causes him to have kibr towards the creation, despise them, mock them, and to degrade them through both speech and action. Allaah’s Messenger sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam said:

“It is enough evil for a person to despise his brother Muslim.” 2

This is why the man asked: “What about a person who loves (i.e. takes pride in) wearing beautiful clothes and shoes?” Because he feared that this was the kibrwhich would be under the threat of punishment. So the Prophet sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam explained to him that this was not from kibr; since this person was one who complied with the truth, and was humble towards people, and that this was from the beauty that Allaah loves, for indeed Allaah – the Most High is beautiful in His Dhaat (Self), Sifaat (Attributes) and Af’aal (Actions), and He loves both outer and inner beauty.

As regards outer beauty, then it includes cleanliness of the body, clothes and place. As regards to inner beauty, then it is beautifying the character. This is why the Prophet sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam used to supplicate:

“O Allaah! Guide me to having beautiful manners and characteristics, no one can guide me to beautifying them except You. And turn away from me all evil actions and characteristics, no one con turn them away from me except You.” 3

And Allaah knows best.

https://abdurrahman.org/2014/01/08/prideabarrior/

I am not better or inferior to anyone on the basis of culture. The only way any of us is better or inferior- is on the basis of our taqwa.

Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "The strong man is not one who is good at wrestling, but the strong man is one who controls himself in a fit of rage."

https://sunnah.com/riyadussaliheen/1/45

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Where in the US were/are you?
I have been across the United States- and I'm from the South- and I don't think I've ever seen a person wear a shirt with John 3:16 in my life.

I saw a matching couple at Universal Studios yesterday!

 

[Etagloc]

I saw a matching couple at Universal Studios yesterday!

I mean I believe you and that's cool but....

you mention God at work and you can lose your job. The United States is not a religious country.