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[TokiEl]

You said you're not obliged to answer my questions. That's true, but then why bother quoting my posts? If you aren't going to reply I'd rather hear from others like Claire you have replied with clarity. You're choosing to quote my posts and reply to some parts.

Look if you have a problem with me and how i choose to respond... put me on ignore ok.

If i'm not your cup of tea you don't have to sip of the repository of truths.

 

[Haich]

Look if you have a problem with me and how i choose to respond... put me on ignore ok.

If i'm not your cup of tea you don't have to sip of the repository of truths.

Don't get your knickers in a twist.

It's you who keeps partially quoting me. I'll just avoid you since you bring nothing of interest to the table.

Bye.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

Fasts and prayers are integral to Islamic life and yet, we don't see them in the day to day life of a Christian...

Actually, Haich, Fasting & Prayer ARE integral to Christian life.

What you must realize is that, for Christians, fasting is a very personal thing.....not something done in observance of a religious holiday. Therefore, the reasons for fasting vary, and it is generally done without notifying others. This is referenced in Matthew 6:

Matthew 6:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;
18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Prayer is done several times daily, oftentimes more often, as one who is saved has a close relationship with God.

 

[Haich]

We are recommended to fast twice a week, it's not just a holiday. And by fast, I don't mean drinking water and abstaining from food. Sorry, who notifies others when fasting in Islam? The month of Ramadan is announced and that's it.

 

[TokiEl]

Don't get your knickers in a twist.

It's you who keeps partially quoting me. I'll just avoid you since you bring nothing of interest to the table.

Bye.

I know Truth does not interest you.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Actually, Haich, Fasting & Prayer ARE integral to Christian life.

What you must realize is that, for Christians, fasting is a very personal thing.....not something done in observance of a religious holiday. Therefore, the reasons for fasting vary, and it is generally done without notifying others. This is referenced in Matthew 6:

Matthew 6:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;
18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Prayer is done several times daily, oftentimes more often, as one who is saved has a close relationship with God.

^ exactly

 

[Claire Rousseau]

Would you say all praise is due to God?

Absolutely...in fact, there are cherubims at the foot of His throne and all they do is praise Him, and they rest not day and night, saying,

“Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.”

We can’t praise Him enough, after all, He is our Creator. He’s, well....GOD.

 

[Etagloc]

Absolutely...in fact, there are cherubims at the foot of His throne and all they do is praise Him, and they rest not day and night, saying,

“Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.”

We can’t praise Him enough, after all, He is our Creator. He’s, well....GOD.

Alhamdulilaah...

You assert that all praise is due to God.

You might also agree that there is no God but God. If you would only testify that Muhammad (PBUH) is His Messenger...

 

[Etagloc]

I know Truth does not interest you.

Muslims are very interested in the truth. Allah is Al-Haqq.

 

[TokiEl]

Muslims are very interested in the truth. Allah is Al-Haqq.

Absolutely not.


John 3:18-19"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil."

 

[Etagloc]

Absolutely not.

Okay. You can quote the Bible. I can quote the Quran.

The difference is, though... I've read
the Bible. I'm well-versed in Christianity and I come from a Christian family.

You've probably never read the Quran and you've probably never seriously studied Islam.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Okay. You can quote the Bible. I can quote the Quran.

The difference is, though... I've read
the Bible. I'm well-versed in Christianity and I come from a Christian family.

You've probably never read the Quran and you've probably never seriously studied Islam.

Why would you bother trying to persuade Christians that Allah is the true God, Jesus is prophet like any other and Muhammad is his messenger?

The issue is that I and so many others on this forum have a genuine, experiential knowledge and saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, know the presence of the Holy Spirit and enjoy our restored relationship with the Father.

In addition, a great many of us have seen miraculous things happen in answers to prayer, see Bible prophecy unfolding before our eyes and quite simply love living in daily joy of the Lord!!!!

I'm sorry you have had a background in Christianity such that you would reject it in favour of the teachings of the Qur'an, but for me, to set so great a salvation aside and pull away from the Gospel would be inconceivable.

 

[Claire Rousseau]

Alhamdulilaah...

You assert that all praise is due to God.

You might also agree that there is no God but God. If you would only testify that Muhammad (PBUH) is His Messenger...

i certainly would...if he was written of in the Holy Bible.

But he is not, and since i believe that the King James Holy Bible is the preserved, inerrant Word of God, i cannot testify that Muhammad was a messenger of God & claim that such a testimony were true, because i would be lying if I did. I do not believe he was.

The Word of God is complete, and while most of it has already come to pass, all of the prophecies have not come to fruition yet, as Revelation has yet to be fulfilled.

The message has been delivered & recorded, the messengers have all been accounted for & all that remains is the fulfillment of the Book of Revelation.

Muhammad was not spoken of in God's Word, so I know he was not a messenger of God.

 

[Etagloc]

Why would you bother trying to persuade Christians that Allah is the true God, Jesus is prophet like any other and Muhammad is his messenger?

Honestly I don't expect to convince anyone of anything.

If I put the truth out there- it will be recorded on the Day of Judgement. Whether people accept the truth is out of my control and I'm not responsible for it.

My intent is simply to speak the truth for the sake of speaking the truth. I believe this has its own innate value, independent of what people thint.

I'm not worried about whether other people are convinced or not. I'm not a politician. I don't need votes.

Islam is superior and is like a rising sun. Christianity is like a fading sun. Christianity is something which existed maybe prior to the latter half of the 19th century.

When Christianity is put to the test- most Christians don't really believe in what they claim ti believe. Who knows why they claim it.

There is a vacuum. Islam is the answer to that vacuum. Islam is the answer for the betterment of humanity.

Christianity is fading into the dustbin of history. Islam is very much alive.

 

[JoChris]

Honestly I don't expect to convince anyone of anything.

If I put the truth out there- it will be recorded on the Day of Judgement. Whether people accept the truth is out of my control and I'm not responsible for it.

My intent is simply to speak the truth for the sake of speaking the truth. I believe this has its own innate value, independent of what people thint.

I'm not worried about whether other people are convinced or not. I'm not a politician. I don't need votes.

Islam is superior and is like a rising sun. Christianity is like a fading sun. Christianity is something which existed maybe prior to the latter half of the 19th century.

When Christianity is put to the test- most Christians don't really believe in what they claim ti believe. Who knows why they claim it.

There is a vacuum. Islam is the answer to that vacuum. Islam is the answer for the betterment of humanity.

Christianity is fading into the dustbin of history. Islam is very much alive.

Incorrect. FAKE Christianity is fading. History shows true Christians change the world through their changed minds and hearts. From ground up, not top down.
Islam is currently growing via higher birthrates. Deconversion rates would be hard to discover because of secrecy.

 

[TokiEl]

There is a vacuum. Islam is the answer to that vacuum. Islam is the answer for the betterment of humanity.

Christianity is fading into the dustbin of history. Islam is very much alive.

That is partly because the brothers in arms known as Communism and Islam are persecuting Christendom.

And in God's book it is foretold that Christians must eventually choose beween denying Jesus Christ or martyrdom... so you're right you're fulfilling prophecies written down long ago.

But our hope is the world to come where JC is King you know. We don't want to live in a world where Untruth is rewarded and Truth is punished.

So enjoy an Islamic world as long as it lasts because that's all you got.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@Etagloc

"When Christianity is put to the test- most Christians don't really believe in what they claim to believe. Who knows why they claim it."

I am in America at the moment and I would have answered you differently a week ago.

In America people wear John 3:16 T-shirts, listen to local Christian radio (sometimes sponsored by wealthy Christian business owners) go to churches with big flags outside etc.

In the UK, being a Christian lends you no social advantage. The spiritual climate is mainly dictated by New Scientist, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchins, JK Rowling and the BBC! The majority of the UK, especially my age group are mostly simple unspiritual, along with neo-pagan, "New Atheist" and a growth in Sharia style insular Islam.

I believe the Gospel because I think it is the truest and most important message in the world, and I would follow Jesus if it cost me me everything I owned, my friends and family and even my own life.

This song gets the message over.

 

[Serveto]

@Serveto
.... I have given the subject plenty of thought. I think I might have one way to approach the issue which could, perhaps, I emphasize perhaps, be something of a bridge, or bricks in a bridge, between Christianity and Islam, which bridge does not, noticeably to me, involve what Muslims consider shirk and neither does it blaspheme what Christians consider the Holy Spirit. At least I don't think it does, though I could well be mistaken.

On the other hand, and I acknowledge at the outset that it may well be that, rather than a bridge connecting the two, absolute fire-walls should be maintained instead.

I would love to hear that theory as well.

Thank you. I realized, soon after writing that above statement, which I subsequently deleted, that I should probably leave apologetics to the experts, to those more convinced of the truths of their doctrines and dogmas, and remain safely within my preferred domain (and subject area) of history. It is there, too, especially with the Ebionites (aka "the pure"), whom I consider the proto-orthodox of Christianity, as well the Arians (versus Athanasians), docetae, Nestorians and others that Islam more clearly meets Christianity, or should I more accurately say "Christianity in transition" to an ultimate Protestant "orthodoxy," characterized, ironically, by perpetual schism, with denominations and sects without number.

Anyway, though I am not reading all entries and am thus missing out on a lot, even in this thread, I am enjoying the circus as it is. In some, not all, ways, this thread reminds me of a sort of bull fight in Morocco, with the athletic @Etagloc acting as toreador, dangling the red cape of reputed Islamic superiority before the only slightly enraged, and thus rather well behaved, it seems to me, Christian bulls, who occasionally snort, kick and charge the cape .

Finally, I might point out that, if I understand it correctly and this following hadith is legitimate and considered authentic, in the face of a sort of universal secularism, a "Novus ordo seclorum," a New Order of the Ages, arguably envisaged and enacted by the Illuminati, which order's stated ambitions and goals were and are the destruction of all religion, not just one, it sounds to me as though Islam's, at least a significant party of Muslims, ultimate destiny might be not to lead, but rather to follow ...

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
You would tread the same path as was trodden by those before you inch by inch and step by step so much so that if they had entered into the hole of the lizard, you would follow them in this also. We said: Allah's Messenger, do you mean Jews and Christians (by your words)" those before you"? He said: Who else (than those two religious groups)?
Source​

 

[Etagloc]

That is partly because the brothers in arms known as Communism and Islam are persecuting Christendom.

And in God's book it is foretold that Christians must eventually choose beween denying Jesus Christ or martyrdom... so you're right you're fulfilling prophecies written down long ago.

But our hope is the world to come where JC is King you know. We don't want to live in a world where Untruth is rewarded and Truth is punished.

So enjoy an Islamic world as long as it lasts because that's all you got.

The "Christians" themselves don't believe in Christianity.

The vast majority of Christians talk Christianity but they don't live it. That shows you they themselves don't believe in what they claim to believe.

You can't even tell them apart from non-Christians.

A sex scandal for a Christian preacher is cocaine and hookers. A sex scandal for a Muslim preacher is a guy texting a shirtless pic.

We can't blame Communists, Freemasons, the Illuminati or any conspiracy for the bar being so much lower for Christians.

Muslims are raising the bar, really putting their beliefs into practice. These are people who in many cases would be willing to die for their beliefs.

Christians generally will sell out their beliefs in a heartbeat. Most of them already have and they don't care because they think believing Jesus (PBUH) is God is a license to do whatever they want.

Christians are responsible for their own behavior. You can't blame a Communist conspiracy.

Islam can actual results. Islam can not merely talk a set of beliefs- Islam can actually affect transformation.

Can you imagine how horrified Christians would be if society actually followed Christianity? They'd be terrified.

It's clear- Islam doesn't just talk. Islam gets results. And its beliefs are logical. Not only is Islam logical, it's also simple and easy for people to understand- yet profound enough for people to think deeply about.

We point out how Islam gets results and Christianity doesn't. Of course this is the most predictable thing in the world. One of these is selling you a magic pill. The other is prescribing a program of diet and exercise.

It turns out the program prescribing diet and exercise is the one getting results. Shocking. It turns out the people who signed up for the magic pill aren't getting results.

And then when I point out which is getting results, I get the same thing: "results don't actually matter".

Either the Christians don't really believe or they're off in outer space. The world going down the drain, etc., etc. But they're not bothered, they don't care. They're indifferent. They just ignore it. Opiate of the masses.

Islam is more like caffeine waking up the masses.

Christianity doesn't even care about saving society or defending society. Its off in la la land. If Christianity wants to be off in outer space... okay, fine. But someone actually has to be concerned about society. Someone actually has to do something when it comes to society and keeping society sane.

So the people who believe in Christianity or supposedly believe in it on a part-time basis, when they feel like it and when they find it convenient- they should just move to the side.

There's a fight going on. There's a struggle going on between two sides. The Christians should stay out of the way. They're not willing to fight the good fight. The most they'll do is talk it. But you know where their heart is- just observe that they don't put their money where their mouth is.

So that's fine. They're not willing to do what needs to be done. That's fine- they just need to move to the side. That's all. They just need to move to the side and stay out of the way of the people who are actually involved and who are willing.

When Dajjal comes, most Christians are going to be bowing down and worshipping Dajjal. The Muslims are going to be taking a very different approach.

Look at how the two approach Israel. That shows you right there. Christianity isn't fighting Dajjal. Christianity is supporting Dajjal.

 

[irrationalNinja]

No that just proves that scientologists atleast have the ACTUAL og books that they believe in. Just like Muslims. The problem with your side is, you do not have the original scripture that YOU believe in.

I agree scientologists are “just like Muslims.”

The similarities do not end with the origin of their texts. How and by whom they were created is an interesting comparison.

The most apparent similarity between Islam and Scientology is that it appears both L. Ron Hubbard and Mohammed patterned their beliefs after established systems from the ancient world.

While L. Ron Hubbard chose to use science fiction to express his beliefs, Mohammed (with Kadija’s knowledge and resources) appears to have used parts of Catholicism, the Babylonian Talmud (Rabbinic Judaism), and ancient Mystery religion to fabricate a similar fiction.

The irony when counterfeit religions are scientifically accurate. Whatever you say tiffany

Islam is nearly as scientific as Scientology.

Apparently if you are truly saved in Christianity, you can't die if you drink poison. I wonder if we can find volunteers.

@manama
Put down the remote and back away from the television.

Did jesus sing in church? Where's that from?

Probably the laziest engineered Islamic-disconnect witnessed to date. You can do better.

Because you know, Churches be shutting down and turning into bars and pubs since people won't go to them.

Really, put down the remote...