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And while most Christians do no follow the Sabbath, a minority do and always have done throughout the ages. I know I keep saying this but biblically its always the minority that have the truth of God. Its never with the majority. That is why the way to hell is broad and wide and the way to heaven is narrow and few find it (Matthew 7:13-14).
However some Christians here have a problem with the diet laws because their diets don't go hand in hand with the biblical one. They don't have a problem with the sexual laws for example in the Old Testament because they agree with them. The same applies to the Sabbath commandment. They have no problem with nine out of the ten commandments but call me a legalist for saying as the Bible does that we are to obey all ten commandments not just nine.
For them its based on what they do and agree with and if the Bible disagrees with what they do, then they will choose their doctrines over the Word of God. And if I say that's wrong then I am judgemental and legalist.
Other aspects of other laws are emphasised in my church. Here I emphasise the ten commandment law and full obedience of which people have been very rude to me about. One person actually said I belong to a cult for saying such things as the Bible does.
Some Christians make a big deal about the diet laws because they don;'t follow them and maybe had never even heard of them but all God's laws are important and for our benefit especially the ten commandment law.
Of course we have to be convicted and as the Holy Spirit reveals certain God's truths to us Jesus gives us the power to obey Him if we are willing to.
What you're talking about is the doctrine of once saved always saved. It is a false doctrine that is not based in the Bible at all. In the Bible we are taught that we all have free will whether we are saved or not. So saved people can and sadly do fall from salvation of their own free will. They can at any point in their lives start resisting God’s grace. They can and stop listening to the Holy Spirit. I'll give you an example that I've used before.
Suppose a Christian who was once saved later on becomes an atheist or Satanist, are they still saved? Some Christians who believe in osas will say "well if that happens then they weren't 'really' saved in the first place." But 2 Peter 2:20-22 tells us, "For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” You can't get much clearer than that! Saved people can choose to stop being saved according to these verses and they say it would have been better if the person had never been saved than to lose their faith after having known what it feels like to be saved. They compare it to a dog going back to its own vomit and the rest.
Hebrews 10:26-27 says, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries."
Then there is the book of life. The Bible tells us that people's names can be removed from the book of life. The book of life has the names of the saved (Daniel 12:1, Luke 10:20, Philippians 4:3, Revelation 17:8). So if names can be removed from it, then the saved can lose their salvation (Psalm 69:28, Revelation 13:8, 21:27).
When we surrender our lives to Jesus we are saved and stay saved so long as we continue to surrender our lives to him every day. Jesus said to those who were professing to believe in Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My DISCIPLES indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:31-32). Jesus is saying you can identify His disciples by the fact that they continue in His word, and are therefore sanctified in the process.
Its not judging either to tell God's truth. I've been accused of this here as well. Do you think Jesus and the apostles were judging people when they corrected them and told them the truth of God according to His Word? They weren't. As people we don't like being told we are wrong. Even little kids hate being corrected. However if we want to grow in Christ as Christians we have to accept that we are sinful and many things we do in our lives (even those we thought were right) are wrong and not in harmony with God's Word. The Holy Spirit leads us to this realisation, then He leads us to realise we need a Saviour to cleanse us of our sin once we repent, and to walk with Him daily in our lives.
I posted in my previous post to you that the ten commandments were/are the basis of all other commandments in the Bible. So civil/moral, health etc fall under the ten commandments. For example sexual laws that forbid fornication, homosexuality, incest, bestiality written of in Leviticus 18 are still sins and God still finds them abominable I'm sure you'll agree. If we break any of those commandments we are breaking the 7th commandment of adultery in the ten commandments. As I explained the punishments and some of the social and cultural aspects to those laws are not applicable but its still wrong to do those things.Ok, so when you are saying to "follow the law" you mean to follow the 10 commandments (which i believe Christians do believe, with the exception of keeping the Sabbath), not "everything in the first 5 books of the Bible" as stated by a different poster in regards to "follow the law".
And while most Christians do no follow the Sabbath, a minority do and always have done throughout the ages. I know I keep saying this but biblically its always the minority that have the truth of God. Its never with the majority. That is why the way to hell is broad and wide and the way to heaven is narrow and few find it (Matthew 7:13-14).
I forget his/her name but they are right. Just because someone said somethings not written in the Bible doesn't mean they are wrong. God created us with intellect and powers of reasoning. It has to harmonise with God's Word. The Bible tell us there will be prophets in the end time. We are told to test to see if what they teach is biblical and not just trust anyone at hand without knowing if their message is true or not. The person is right because in the Bible there is an Old and New Covenant and many things of the Old Covenant became obsolete like ceremonial law. However as I posted the sexual laws are still applicable to this day as are the health laws because the New Covenant/Testament did not remove reason for their application. That harmonises with God's Word.But who is this "someone"? That's what i was referring to regarding "traditions of men". Who is this person that we are trusting to interpret and reason for us, to teach us which parts of hygiene, moral or diatary laws are still applicable and which are not?
All the laws God gave His people were for their benefit. Some were for the time, others still apply to us to this day and until Jesus returns.I agree that the laws were given to preserve our health.
Agree.However, it is not just health and dietary laws that help preserve our health. Some of those that can be said to fall into the "cultural" category may also be health related.
I did not say the law of mixed clothing especially animal and plant material is not feasible today. Nor did I say or imply that only dietary or health laws preserve our health. In fact I mentioned how God is concerned about our overall health whether it be physical, mental or spiritual. I can't discuss everything here that is detrimental to our health in the Bible. That would be too long winded.For example, i mentioned tattos a few posts ago. While some could make the claim that it was a cultural thing to separated God's people from the pagans, there could also be an argument made that the ink is toxic to the body, and the area prone to infection. Yet would those who say we should keep the diatary laws also say we are should adhere to the prohibition on tattoos and cuttings of the flesh?
Or the mixed clothing materials. I haven't delved too deeply into the topic, but from what i understand certain clothing materials are more likely to result in cancer or health problems than others. It is not unfeasable that this law would also apply today, not just dietary laws.
However some Christians here have a problem with the diet laws because their diets don't go hand in hand with the biblical one. They don't have a problem with the sexual laws for example in the Old Testament because they agree with them. The same applies to the Sabbath commandment. They have no problem with nine out of the ten commandments but call me a legalist for saying as the Bible does that we are to obey all ten commandments not just nine.
For them its based on what they do and agree with and if the Bible disagrees with what they do, then they will choose their doctrines over the Word of God. And if I say that's wrong then I am judgemental and legalist.
Its part of the health laws.I agree that the New Testament says to not eat blood or the strangled.
I know you weren't boasting but avoiding mixed material which involve plant and animal material as mentioned in the Bible is actually easy to avoid. Most material manufacturers don't mix those two together.My intention was not to boast about my ability to adhere to the dietary laws. What i meant to communicate was that choosing what to put in one's mouth is easier, given modern life, than avoiding mixed material clothing (althouh not impossible), or avoiding food that was grown in a mixed field, for example.
So i was just commenting on the fact that i often see adherence to dietary laws is emphasized, but not other aspects of the law (not including ceremonial).
Definitely agree about seeking guidance from God. I suppose it's just that we (my husband and i) refer to it as our convictions rather than it being imposed upon all believers.
Other aspects of other laws are emphasised in my church. Here I emphasise the ten commandment law and full obedience of which people have been very rude to me about. One person actually said I belong to a cult for saying such things as the Bible does.
Some Christians make a big deal about the diet laws because they don;'t follow them and maybe had never even heard of them but all God's laws are important and for our benefit especially the ten commandment law.
Of course we have to be convicted and as the Holy Spirit reveals certain God's truths to us Jesus gives us the power to obey Him if we are willing to.
We can and do have consequences from some of our sins in this life but more than that all those who sin and do not repent will lose their lives eternally and some of them will have been saved at one point in their lives.I suppose that is where the concept of "sinning unto death " comes in. Once having put out trust fully on Jesus Christ, continuing to live in a sinful manner can absolutely have consequences in this life, sometimes fatal. But i dont believe we lose our salvation, just that there's consequences, up to and including loss of life.
What you're talking about is the doctrine of once saved always saved. It is a false doctrine that is not based in the Bible at all. In the Bible we are taught that we all have free will whether we are saved or not. So saved people can and sadly do fall from salvation of their own free will. They can at any point in their lives start resisting God’s grace. They can and stop listening to the Holy Spirit. I'll give you an example that I've used before.
Suppose a Christian who was once saved later on becomes an atheist or Satanist, are they still saved? Some Christians who believe in osas will say "well if that happens then they weren't 'really' saved in the first place." But 2 Peter 2:20-22 tells us, "For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.” You can't get much clearer than that! Saved people can choose to stop being saved according to these verses and they say it would have been better if the person had never been saved than to lose their faith after having known what it feels like to be saved. They compare it to a dog going back to its own vomit and the rest.
Hebrews 10:26-27 says, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries."
Then there is the book of life. The Bible tells us that people's names can be removed from the book of life. The book of life has the names of the saved (Daniel 12:1, Luke 10:20, Philippians 4:3, Revelation 17:8). So if names can be removed from it, then the saved can lose their salvation (Psalm 69:28, Revelation 13:8, 21:27).
When we surrender our lives to Jesus we are saved and stay saved so long as we continue to surrender our lives to him every day. Jesus said to those who were professing to believe in Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My DISCIPLES indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:31-32). Jesus is saying you can identify His disciples by the fact that they continue in His word, and are therefore sanctified in the process.
There is only one truth to any subject in the Bible. One of the things the Holy spirit does is lead us into God's truth according to His Word. He will convict us at different times but it will always be the truth according to God's Word if we are willing to know the truth.Yes. I believe that is where the personal convictions part comes in. The more i read and studied the Bible, the more i knew which things were no longer permissible for me. But also that different people are convicted of different things and that i am not to "judge another man's servant" (Romans14:4)
Its not judging either to tell God's truth. I've been accused of this here as well. Do you think Jesus and the apostles were judging people when they corrected them and told them the truth of God according to His Word? They weren't. As people we don't like being told we are wrong. Even little kids hate being corrected. However if we want to grow in Christ as Christians we have to accept that we are sinful and many things we do in our lives (even those we thought were right) are wrong and not in harmony with God's Word. The Holy Spirit leads us to this realisation, then He leads us to realise we need a Saviour to cleanse us of our sin once we repent, and to walk with Him daily in our lives.
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