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elsbet

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Whatever you just posted is unreadable. As far as the video is concerned, i am having trouble with the credibility of the speaker also because i am unable to find ANY info on her. But she is wearing a stethoscope so she must be right :rolleyes: Lets ignore hundreds of thousands of doctors to listen to one just because whatever she is saying fits with whatever new quackery I just came up with :rolleyes:


As far as death certificates are concerned, when someone has multiple health problems and on top of that they also get covid-19, obviously it means that they died likely of covid-19 and their pre-existing health issues contributed to that.

There are not enough doctors to perform tests and treat people, you think anyone has the time to do autopsies? Use common sense for a second.
I don't even have an opinion yet on this particular matter, but I had no problem finding information on this physician-- apart from the virus speech.
 

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Okay so sweden now has 919 deaths, 20 more died this weekend, and 11.000 infected, they say. The authorities are talking about limiting the drinking water. ...But how could our drinking water spread it? And wtf do I drink now? lolghjl.png

"Dricksvatten" Drinking water.
 
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Did you watch the video in my previous comment?

Many doctors are coming forward saying the CDC is making them list “COVID-19” as cause of death on death certificates of those who died from other causes.

No testing to confirm if the person even tested positive for Covid-19 is necessary to list the virus as cause of death.

How can they NOT be inflated??

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And on the other end of the spectrum, NYFD has responded to 400% the amount of calls in the last month versus the same month last year for people that have died in their home. None of those cases are being reported as death due to Covid-19.
 

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The only thing that is scaring people is their own inability to look at data and answer their own questions.

this guidance mentioned by the cdc was established on March 24. So in three weeks since then, the famous Montana doctor that has been referenced in the last couple of pages. Her state has reported 6 deaths so far. The state of Montana has reported 6 deaths. Where are the massive number of deaths that she was predicting according to this guidance. That’s right, there not there because the average doctor is able to realize that determining cause of death is still at their discretion.

Montana has about a million people who live there. Let’s compare this with a state like California that has about 40 million people and just over 600 deaths. in three weeks, a state like California that has 2 major international airports that provide a point of entry for at least 60% of the Asian population that seeks to immigrate to the us, is still only reporting over 600 deaths.

again this reflects a reality that the average doctor understands that cause of death is at the discretion of the doctor.

let’s compare Michigan and California to look at whether social distancing has any impact on these numbers. Michigan issued a shelter in place order a little over a week after California did. They have a quarter of California’s population size at 10 million, but they are reporting almost 1500 deaths.

then let’s compare this with Montana again that is only reporting 6 deaths. Do you think a doctor in Montana is going to be exposed in the same way to this experience as a doctor in California or Michigan. No they aren’t, so while some of her concerns are valid. There is no evidence after three weeks that the cdc guidance in inflating numbers irresponsibly.

logically if this were true, California would have a higher reported death count than Michigan.

the problem is that most people aren’t looking at numbers and being vigilant. They are looking for an independent news piece or some other source to still do the job of thinking for them or telling them how to think about something that they still probably don’t have a lot of direct experience with. Some parts of the us in particular have not seen much of this situation become an issue. However, that doesn’t really mean you can speak for the country as a whole.

The biggest indicator of how social distancing has been effective is seen with our overall count. The news says we are 20,000 ish in the us. However, we have over 500,000 cases and around 300 million people. Spain and Italy have around 150,000 cases and around 20,000 deaths with much smaller population sizes.

if we keep going at this rate, things should return to normal. However, there is also the reality of under reporting that is created by approving private labs for testing. The CDC approved this around the same time they created the guidance about death certificates.


Everything in life is not a political subject. The numbers don’t support an argument of an inflated death count. This is just an opinion that is derived from a political bias for one reason or another. Look at the numbers for yourselves and try to form your own conclusions. I use this website to follow numbers. It is wishful thinking to assume that this isn’t real.

 
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I wonder...

We WILL have to wear masks: Senior World Health Organization official says facial coverings will become the norm in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic

Will they have to wear the masks even when killing their babies? How can they even leave these open during a pandemic? Makes no sense...but wear those masks people!!

Federal judge rules Alabama can't ban abortions during coronavirus pandemic
 

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The only thing that is scaring people is their own inability to look at data and answer their own questions.

this guidance mentioned by the cdc was established on March 24. So in three weeks since then, the famous Montana doctor that has been referenced in the last couple of pages. Her state has reported 6 deaths so far. The state of Montana has reported 6 deaths. Where are the massive number of deaths that she was predicting according to this guidance. That’s right, there not there because the average doctor is able to realize that determining cause of death is still at their discretion.

Montana has about a million people who live there. Let’s compare this with a state like California that has about 40 million people and just over 600 deaths. in three weeks, a state like California that has 2 major international airports that provide a point of entry for at least 60% of the Asian population that seeks to immigrate to the us, is still only reporting over 600 deaths.

again this reflects a reality that the average doctor understands that cause of death is at the discretion of the doctor.

let’s compare Michigan and California to look at whether social distancing has any impact on these numbers. Michigan issued a shelter in place order a little over a week after California did. They have a quarter of California’s population size at 10 million, but they are reporting almost 1500 deaths.

then let’s compare this with Montana again that is only reporting 6 deaths. Do you think a doctor in Montana is going to be exposed in the same way to this experience as a doctor in California or Michigan. No they aren’t, so while some of her concerns are valid. There is no evidence after three weeks that the cdc guidance in inflating numbers irresponsibly.

logically if this were true, California would have a higher reported death count than Michigan.

the problem is that most people aren’t looking at numbers and being vigilant. They are looking for an independent news piece or some other source to still do the job of thinking for them or telling them how to think about something that they still probably don’t have a lot of direct experience with. Some parts of the us in particular have not seen much of this situation become an issue. However, that doesn’t really mean you can speak for the country as a whole.

The biggest indicator of how social distancing has been effective is seen with our overall count. The news says we are 20,000 ish in the us. However, we have over 500,000 cases and around 300 million people. Spain and Italy have around 150,000 cases and around 20,000 deaths with much smaller population sizes.

if we keep going at this rate, things should return to normal. However, there is also the reality of under reporting that is created by approving private labs for testing. The CDC approved this around the same time they created the guidance about death certificates.


Everything in life is not a political subject. The numbers don’t support an argument of an inflated death count. This is just an opinion that is derived from a political bias for one reason or another. Look at the numbers for yourselves and try to form your own conclusions. I use this website to follow numbers. It is wishful thinking to assume that this isn’t real.

Just curious....

Apparently China is reporting re-infections of those who had recovered. So, if social distance is working and for example, half the number of recoveries in California re-test as positive again in 2months. How do you envision the authorities to go about it? Would you support another shutdown? And if the cycle continues (infections/re-infections in 3 months), how many "on again-off again"/waves are you willing to support?
 

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Just curious....

Apparently China is reporting re-infections of those who had recovered. So, if social distance is working and for example, half the number of recoveries in California re-test as positive again in 2months. How do you envision the authorities to go about it? Would you support another shutdown? And if the cycle continues, how many "on again-off again"/waves are you willing to support?
the article that I read about testing positive after recovery was not able to conclude whether this was because they were reinfected or whether it was the same infection potentially flaring. So there is a lot that becomes political too quickly in what you are saying and neglects many of the medical questions that still need to be answered in order to answer questions regarding extended social distancing.
 
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Yeah, it’s been in the US longer than thought and we haven’t even tested 1% of our population so the numbers are higher. I imagine it’s a similar situation in most countries that have been affected.

If governments are hiding anything it’s to downgrade the severity to prevent panics. That’s pretty much government 101. It’s always worse than they tell you.
A physician named Dr. Jensen even called them out on how they are supposed to list COVID-19 on death certificates, saying:

"I’ve never been encouraged to [notate 'influenza']," he said. "I would probably write 'respiratory arrest' to be the top line, and the underlying cause of this disease would be pneumonia ... I might well put emphysema or congestive heart failure, but I would never put influenza down as the underlying cause of death and yet that’s what we are being asked to do here."
Jensen then told Ingraham that under the CDC guidelines, a patient who died after being hit by a bus and tested positive for coronavirus would be listed as having presumed to have died from the virus regardless of whatever damage was caused by the bus.
"That doesn't make any sense," he said.”

https://www.marktaliano.net/montana-physician-dr-annie-bukacek-discusses-how-covid-19-death-certificates-are-being-manipulated/
 

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This dash board throws up more questions than answers for me really.

Just going on the UK figures we have allegedly had 88621 confirmed cases so far of which 11,329 have died. This equates to a mortality rate of around 12.5%....a tad higher than what we are being told.

It also states that we have had 1918 recoveries from the 88621 cases so if we add the recoveries on to the deaths that totals 13247. So if we take that figure from the total confirmed sufferers that must mean that there are currently 75374 people currently being treated in hospital who are either going to add to the deceased figures or the recovered figures.

Even with all the new pop up hospitals we now have we still don't have that type of bed capacity.

......or is there a column missing somewhere?
 
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Whatever you just posted is unreadable. As far as the video is concerned, i am having trouble with the credibility of the speaker also because i am unable to find ANY info on her. But she is wearing a stethoscope so she must be right :rolleyes: Lets ignore hundreds of thousands of doctors to listen to one just because whatever she is saying fits with whatever new quackery I just came up with :rolleyes:


As far as death certificates are concerned, when someone has multiple health problems and on top of that they also get covid-19, obviously it means that they died likely of covid-19 and their pre-existing health issues contributed to that.

There are not enough doctors to perform tests and treat people, you think anyone has the time to do autopsies? Use common sense for a second.
The doctor’s name is Ann Bukacek, MD.

She is a Board Certified Internist (licensed Medical Director) practicing in Kalispell, MT.

She has been a practicing physician for 34 years, and filling out death certificates for 34 years.

She is also not the only doctor who’s come forward about the new death certificate guidelines, which you can read for yourself on cdc.gov:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf
 

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The doctor’s name is Ann Bukacek, MD.

She is a Board Certified Internist (licensed Medical Director) practicing in Kalispell, MT.

She has been a practicing physician for 34 years, and filling out death certificates for 34 years.

She is also not the only doctor who’s come forward about the new death certificate guidelines, which you can read for yourself on cdc.gov:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf
Wow how many times does the CDC have to write "expected"? :D I'll have to look up part 2 (Guidance for Certifying COVID-19 Deaths).

I'd say save your breath (or finger muscles lol) trying to explain this to those who've already posted they won't consider perspectives from medical experts reporting outside the mainstream narrative. I find it a little odd that at a conspiracy site they have nothing of value to offer in a discussion other than their own opinion, sighting figures from the CDC and other manipulators like John Hopkins. Oh well.

There is a growing list of doctors, virologists, etc. offering information that contradict the CDC and WHO numbers. Please check out these sites for updates:

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
https://www.globalresearch.ca/
 

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New studies

  • Stanford professor of medicine John Ioannidis concludes in a new study that the risk of death from Covid19 for people under 65 years of age, even in global "hotspots“, is equivalent to the risk of a fatal car accident for daily commuters driving between 9 and 400 miles.
  • In a serological pilot study, German virologist Hendrick Streeck comes to the interim result that the lethality of Covid19 is at 0.37% and the mortality (based on the total population) at 0.06%. These values are about ten times lower than those of the WHO and about five times lower than those of Johns Hopkins University.
  • A Danish study with 1500 blood donors found that the lethality of Covid19 is only 1.6 per thousand, i.e. more than 20 times lower than originally assumed by the WHO and thus in the range of a strong (pandemic) influenza. At the same time Denmark has decided to reopen schools and kindergartens next week.
  • A serological study in the US state of Colorado comes to the preliminary conclusion that the lethality of Covid19 has been overestimated by a factor of 5 to a factor of 20 and is likely to be in the range between normal and pandemic influenza.
  • A study conducted by the Medical University of Vienna concluded that the age and risk profile of Covid19 deaths is similar to normal mortality.
  • A study in the Journal of Medical Virology concludes that the internationally used coronavirus test is unreliable: In addition to the already known problem of false positive results, there is also a "potentially high“ rate of false negative results, i.e. the test does not respond even in symptomatic individuals, while in other patients it does respond once and then again not. This makes it more difficult to exclude other flu-like illnesses.
  • A Swiss biophysicist has for the first time evaluated and graphically displayed the rate of positive tests in the US, France, Germany and Switzerland. The result shows that the positive rate in these countries is increasing rather slowly and not exponentially.
  • Dr. Daniel Jeanmonod, emeritus Swiss professor of physiology and neurosurgery, recommends in an analysis: "Think deep, do good science, and do not panic!"
  • US researchers conclude that local air pollution greatly increases the risk of death from Covid19. This confirms earlier studies from Italy and China.
  • The WHO concluded at the end of March that, contrary to earlier assumptions, Covid19 is not transmitted by aerosols ("through the air“). Transmission mainly takes place through direct contact or by droplet infection (coughing, sneezing).
  • The German-American epidemiology professor Knut Wittkowski argues in a new interview that the Covid19 epidemic is already declining or even "already over“ in many countries. The curfews had come too late and had been counterproductive, Wittkowski argues.
 

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The lax approach taken by The UK (and US it seems) in the initial televised discussion of covid 19 raises questions, serious questions about the severity (by this I mean in how it affects the majority) of this illness...

I'm not down playing the people who are at a higher risk at all, but the fact that the UK government refused multiple times to join an EU programme which provided PPE (personal protective equipment) to key workers and companies really doesn't sit well with me. They knew the virus was contagious, they knew they had a serious shortage of equipment yet they kept refusing to join the programme...

Either they literally planned to kill off people or they knew it wasn't worth spending vast amounts of money on a virus which most would survive...so collateral damage in their eyes, I guess?


Why weren't precautionary measures taken when they saw how China and South Korea were affected? And Italy for that matter...
 

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Either they knew the virus was deadly and were willing to let people die to save a few coins...

Or they knew the virus wouldn't be deadly to most and decided to save coin and just kill of those who they felt weren't worth the effort of saving...

I'm not inclined to believe that they just didn't take the virus seriously at first, then realised oh wow we are deep doo doo, because it's too easy of an explanation to their actions and doesn't add up with the vast amount of money being borrowed to bail out big business...I think they needed covid 19 to seem 'surprising and overwhelming' to justify the insane amount of borrowing they have done...I believe they are using the covid outbreak to finance the serious financial repercussions of Brexit.

I mean, we left in January with hardly anything in place. Boris had to reshuffle his cabinet and get his chancellor to crunch the numbers and do the budget...it makes sense for them to profit from big business as we will suffer from breaking away from the EU. Keep the big business happy, keep the money flowing, keep the rich guys happy and when the virus outbreak is over, our financial ruin won't be because of Brexit, it will be due to covid 19. Clear the path for the privatisation of public services...

Just my opinion but it just all seems to convenient to be 'oh we weren't prepared!!'.

If they can brainwash a nation into believing Iraq and saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that 9/11 was done by Bin Laden, then I'm pretty sure they can brainwash us into believing our upcoming austerity and debt will be due to covid19...

Privatisation is the goal of Tories and I'm assuming Republicans are the Tory equivalent...
 
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