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manama

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And the government somehow knows that once a week means there’s no risk? The people - thank you for your service - working in these stores are in constant contact with the public. Constant. The government can’t say “if you only go out once per week you’ll be fine” because they have no way of knowing that and no way of knowing who you’ll come in contact with during that outing. None, whatsoever. People aren’t idiots. They can deduce for themselves how often they’d like to risk themselves and others.
Well you got a problem with complete shut down, then you got problem with partial lockdown, then you got problem with people going out to shop in bulks and then you got problem with people buying only whats important and then you have problem with standing in a line and then you have problem with going out once a week.

What is government supposed to do then? People aren't happy no matter what.

Ofcourse there IS still risk whether you go out once a week or once a month Its an airborne virus. Its about MINIMIZING the risk. Minimizing the SPEED at which its spreading.
 

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Buying in bulk is not equivalent to hoarding. And nobody is telling you to buy 24 hour supply. A hand sanitizer bottle (tiny) can last a person for a month, what is 50 going to do? Buying 5 bread packs is one thing, buying 60 is another.

I feel like either common sense has died or people have forgotten how shopping works. Most of Europe is doing fine, even Asia is doing fine regarding this. I feel like America is just being America.

Wouldn't expect better from people who are calling the whole thing "medical mafia" while the medical mafia is on 36+ hours shift trying to save people while all you are being told to do is sit on your couch.
Always the white coats. Marcia, Marcia, Marcia. Fuck the butchers feeding your ass.
 

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Always the white coats. Marcia, Marcia, Marcia. Fuck the butchers feeding your ass.
The butchers feeding my ass need to be healthy and if they are going to be out on the roads then others who aren't doing it, need to stay home.
Doctors and Nurses are rapidly dying while treating patients and aren't allowed back to their homes because of infection chances. But no everything is about you standing in a line and your toilet paper. :rolleyes:
 

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Well you got a problem with complete shut down, then you got problem with partial lockdown, then you got problem with people going out to shop in bulks and then you got problem with people buying only whats important and then you have problem with standing in a line and then you have problem with going out once a week.

What is government supposed to do then? People aren't happy no matter what.

Ofcourse there IS still risk whether you go out once a week or once a month Its an airborne virus. Its about MINIMIZING the risk. Minimizing the SPEED at which its spreading.
Don’t take out your general disdain with humanity at this time on me. I said almost none of those things.

Your a dr? Cool. I’m a behavior specialist. Your complaints about irrational human behavior are all actually quite rational and understandable in the current context. If you’d just slow down and actually think about what’s going on rather then jump on the people suck band wagon over every single thing you find deplorable because YOU have to risk your own life for these people you apparantly think are below you.
 

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Don’t take out your general disdain with humanity at this time on me. I said almost none of those things.

Your a dr? Cool. I’m a behavior specialist. Your complaints about irrational human behavior are all actually quite rational and understandable in the current context. If you’d just slow down and actually think about what’s going on rather then jump on the people suck band wagon over every single thing you find deplorable because YOU have to risk your own life for these people you apparantly think are below you.
You is me referring to people in general, its not specifically about "you you" just a figure of speech.

And no its not about people being below anyone, its about sheer stupidity. We are all mad about how the things effect us but we don't see that on a broader scale its TOO late to do anything else. Everyone messed up the minute they took the virus as a joke and only something that would effect China.
 

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Final rights is an important catholic sacrament that people are currently being denied due to being hospitalized with an infectious disease. Not everything people don’t understand is evil or occult.

My father held on in a coma for days until I got the priest for final rights. Two hours after the priest left my dad “left”
I understand that. It was just the way it sounded.
Say the words and the magic happens.

Like some TV evangelist telling people to touch the TV (and send money) to be healed.

No disrespect meant for your father or for the catholic religion in general.
I am glad your father found peace in this world before he passed on.
 

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I understand that. It was just the way it sounded.
Say the words and the magic happens.

Like some TV evangelist telling people to touch the TV (and send money) to be healed.

No disrespect meant for your father or for the catholic religion in general.
I am glad your father found peace in this world before he passed on.
The Christian faith says confess and repent. That’s all confession and final rights is. A formal act of repentance. I’m not religious at all but the bullshit that gets said about Catholics around here is just too much sometimes.
 

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The Christian faith says confess and repent. That’s all confession and final rights is. A formal act of repentance. I’m not religious at all but the bullshit that gets said about Catholics around here is just too much sometimes.
I'm not religious either, but my parents were, and I have a soft spot in my heart for the thing that was such a part of their lives.

Truly, no offence meant.
 

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I don't work in a slaughterhouse nor do i have butchers my age as my friends. Don't know what you are on about either.
Butchers, bakers and candle-stick makers survive, but barbers are dropping like flies. Odd.
 

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You is me referring to people in general, its not specifically about "you you" just a figure of speech.

And no its not about people being below anyone, its about sheer stupidity. We are all mad about how the things effect us but we don't see that on a broader scale its TOO late to do anything else. Everyone messed up the minute they took the virus as a joke and only something that would effect China.
People - generally - took it as a joke because the GOVERNMENT (specifically the president) told them it was a joke, told them they were safe, told them it was a socialist plot blah blah blah. They acted accordingly to the risk assessment they were given. Who’s voice do you think got the most airtime? The president or the doctors? Even the WHO failed to call it a pandemic until it was too late.

I never took it as a joke because I had a very bad gut feeling about it from the beginning. I sought out the information constantly and consistently. Tracked the numbers. People are busy - they work, have kids, have lives etc. How many people do you think are doing that kind of thing independently? When their government is on tv reassuring them and they trust their government generally?

Ive belonged to prepping communities.. and specifically liberal prepping communities that can’t stand trump for some time. So nothing he says is trusted there so everyone was on high alert since day one. I doubt this even played out that way in regular prepping groups tbh.

But assuming this is all because of stupidity is just as stupid as buying 500 roles of toilet paper. The wrong behaviors are being differentially reinforced right now on a societal level. Coincidentally trump also axed the behavioral science division of the federal government alongside the pandemic response teams..
 

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Has anyone considered, just maybe, that this whole "Social Distancing" thing is another incarnation of (societal) atomization? Kinda like pushing the envelope here? Iam pretty sure this has set a standard and the next pandemic whether in 5 or 10yrs, will be "managed" like it presently is.

On atomization...
 

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People - generally - took it as a joke because the GOVERNMENT (specifically the president) told them it was a joke, told them they were safe, told them it was a socialist plot blah blah blah. They acted accordingly to the risk assessment they were given. Who’s voice do you think got the most airtime? The president or the doctors? Even the WHO failed to call it a pandemic until it was too late.
Yup, WHO has been an absolute disappointment during this pandemic.

Butchers, bakers and candle-stick makers survive, but barbers are dropping like flies. Odd.
Because Barbers are most likely to be in close contact with other people as compared to butchers or "Candle makers".


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In my area instead of hoarding stuff, people actually bought lots of things and put it in an open space/shelter so people who were poor or couldn't afford it during the lock down can go and pick it for free. The same thing is being done in neighboring cities now too.
Maybe its just a clash of cultures.
 

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In my area instead of hoarding stuff, people actually bought lots of things and put it in an open space/shelter so people who were poor or couldn't afford it during the lock down can go and pick it for free. The same thing is being done in neighboring cities now too.
I commend that part.
 
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Has anyone considered, just maybe, that this whole "Social Distancing" thing is another incarnation of (societal) atomization? Kinda like pushing the envelope here? Iam pretty sure this has set a standard and the next pandemic whether in 5 or 10yrs, will be "managed" like it presently is.

On atomization...
No, I don't think you are. I think it goes in line with the breaking down of societies/communities and atomization. I think I made a cashier think when I went up to her register this afternoon and yelling at me, "Excuse me, social distancing!" and motioned for me to move back, as I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary. I then asked her how that would work in an elevator, and she just said "I guess you would have to use the stairs". Now what happens to the people who live in high rise buildings? After I made the comment, I realized her demeanor softened, didn't even charge me for the bags and was nice to the next guy in line.

So I think you're on the right track.
 

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Yup, WHO has been an absolute disappointment during this pandemic.


Because Barbers are most likely to be in close contact with other people as compared to butchers or "Candle makers".


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In my area instead of hoarding stuff, people actually bought lots of things and put it in an open space/shelter so people who were poor or couldn't afford it during the lock down can go and pick it for free. The same thing is being done in neighboring cities now too.
Maybe its just a clash of cultures.
The restaurants out here are doing giant family meals for take out for families that are struggling. There’s a volunteer network to get the things the communities senior citizens need that was launched a couple days ago - and deliver it to them for free.

There’s pockets of good. You just have to get off the news to find them.
 

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Has anyone considered, just maybe, that this whole "Social Distancing" thing is another incarnation of (societal) atomization? Kinda like pushing the envelope here? Iam pretty sure this has set a standard and the next pandemic whether in 5 or 10yrs, will be "managed" like it presently is.

On atomization...
I hope at the other end of this the opposite of that becomes self evident. We are all intertwined more then we think and if your really looking this tragedy has highlighted that.
 
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