Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible

[The Sojourner]

How Muslims and Christians read the bible should be left to another thread. TWHOFTF - and anything related to the book itself - is what is being discussed here.
Are you reading it along with us as well?
What is your opinion on those first three verses?

TWHOFTF is all about the Bible, so it cannot be discussed without discussing the Bible or how Muslims and Christians read it. That would be impossible, as you will see as you continue reading it. I'm really glad too, that you are reading it, even if you are starting out trying to find fault with it. Many people have done that, only to eventually realise that they were wrong to have that view. Yes, I have read it multiple times and hope to read it again soon. This thread actually makes me want to start reading it again right away, so I'm thankful for it being here. The more people who read it, the better, for all of us. It IS a book to help us all. Hopefully, as you continue reading it, you will eventually come to see it. I hope that you will.

As a matter of interest, I now know a particular person who told me that they were about to commit suicide, and then the very day they were planning to go through with it, they found the book, TWHOFTF, or rather.. the book "found them". And they began to read it that day and guess what they say now? That this book saved their life. Because of TWHOFTF, they decided that they did not want to commit suicide, but wanted to get to know God! And now say, that they are happier now, than they have ever been in their entire life and "having the BEST time of their entire life!". The e-book, TWHOFTF, literally saved their life! It changed them, from being an atheist, to being a believer in God and gave them the will to live. And now, they are telling lots of other people about it, whenever they can.. It has changed me a LOT, too, and all for the better!

As to your question, and my opinion, first of all I would ask you to recall what Jesus said about those who will enter into The Kingdom:

Matthew
18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and [then] become as little children, ye shall NOT enter into The Kingdom of heaven.

How many times, did Christ refer to the followers as "children", when He spoke to the people? In the book of Matthew alone, it is either close to, or around 30 times. So, becoming like children, is definitely important. What do children do? When spoken to, children listen.. they are open to new information, and open minded, because they want to learn, and they don't intellectualize everything (unlike we sadly learn to do, as adults).

Christ said, that this "becoming like children" is important for adults. Because, if you think that you already know everything there is to know (don't so many adults think like this) then you cannot possibly learn anything new. Because, you are not open to it. So, we have to become like children, or childlike (but not childish), if we want to be able to learn something new. At the very least, one has to be willing to give it "the benefit of the doubt" and, like it says, ask Father/The Lord God, to interpret it for you, and to listen, for the Enlightening of the Holy Spirit. So, it tells you to put your trust in Father/The Lord God while you are reading it, as when reading any of God's Books. That is your protection, from Satan, who tries to confuse you into misinterpreting what you are reading.

In the Foreword of the TWHOFTF e-book, it says:

Please excuse my lack of writing professionalism. I am a soldier, not a writer
and have written this Book, not to demonstrate and impress people with my
command of the English language, but to be as easy as possible for ALL God’s
adopted children to be able to understand.

What do the first three verses say? There was a war in heaven. That is mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Revelation also talks about the Morning Star. The Morning/Evening Star, is actually the planet Venus. So we are given some new information, with cross-references to Scripture. At the very least, the first three verses made me feel intrigued.. It presents that there was the war in heaven, and adds interesting perspective. I go, ok? how interesting... My opinion of it, is, that it makes me want to continue reading on, and look up the Bible verses (in the King of kings' Bible, or the KJV)

 

[JoChris]

TWHOFTF is all about the Bible, so it cannot be discussed without discussing the Bible or how Muslims and Christians read it. That would be impossible, as you will see as you continue reading it. I'm really glad too, that you are reading it, even if you are starting out trying to find fault with it. Many people have done that, only to eventually realise that they were wrong to have that view.

Thank you for showing you do support Anthony John Hill. All who do believe in JAHtruth are most certainly welcome here now.

On a side note: If you [and any other JAHtruth lurkers don't mind], can you expand on the demographics of JAHtruth believers? Where are you situated, what age group and cultural background you are from, which careers you have or common interests you share ....

One thing I can compliment you on - and this is for you too @A Freeman, no matter how much we annoy each other - is that you definitely have the VIDEO and website productions well done. That proves some of you have a high level of education in many areas.

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I apologise beforehand if I sometimes come across as blunt. (I know A Freeman gets offended because of that at times). I shrug my shoulders when some call me judgemental or unloving when I dare to clearly show how their leader/ religion contradicts the bible.
However I believe in being up-front about my position. Perhaps it is my Australian nature, we don't tend to be as polite as the British when we want to get the point across clearly. I never insult a person, but I am very direct. Please allow for that when I interact with you.

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Yes, I have read it multiple times and hope to read it again soon. This thread actually makes me want to start reading it again right away, so I'm thankful for it being here. The more people who read it, the better, for all of us. It IS a book to help us all. Hopefully, as you continue reading it, you will eventually come to see it. I hope that you will.

The thing that makes it immediately impossible for me to believe in JAHtruth is how - when you get past the long texts - how much it contradicts the Bible and Quran and many other factual sources. The use of feelings or "burning in the bosom" as Mormons put it to decide whether a religion is true or not is exceptionally unwise.

As a matter of interest, I now know a particular person who told me that they were about to commit suicide, and then the very day they were planning to go through with it, they found the book, TWHOFTF, or rather, the book "found them". An they began to read it and it saved their life. Because of TWHOFTF, they did not commit suicide, and are now happier than they have ever been, and "having the BEST time of their entire life".

I am sure that believers in all sorts of religions etc have the same testimony. I am glad to read that person didn't commit suicide because of the ebook, but it is a real shame that they hadn't become a Christian instead.

As to your question, and my opinion, first of all I would ask you to recall what Jesus said about those who will enter into The Kingdom:

Matthew
18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and [then] become as little children, ye shall NOT enter into The Kingdom of heaven.

How many times, did Christ refer to the followers as "children", when He spoke to the people? In the book of Matthew alone, it is around 30 times. So, becoming like children, is important. What do children do? Children listen.. they don't intellectualize.

Christ said, that this "becoming as children" is important for adults.

There is a big difference between childish and childlike.
There is a big difference between gullible and trusting.

e.g. Person A is gullible and believes anything Person B says, whether there is any thing to support what they say or not.
Person C has seen Person D show they are reliable, and then Person C is confident they can continue to trust Person D because of their track record.

In the Foreword of the TWHOFTF e-book, it says:

What do the first three verses say? There was a war in heaven. That is mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Revelation also talks about the Morning Star. The Morning/Evening Star, is actually the planet Venus. So we are given some new information, with cross-references to Scripture. At the very least, the first three verses made me feel intrigued.. It presents that there was the war in heaven, and adds interesting perspective. I go, ok? how interesting... My opinion of it, is, that it makes me want to continue reading on, and look up the Bible verses (in the King of kings' Bible, or the KJV)

The thing I ask for you to do from now on is that you always compare the King of Kings "bible" and the King James Bible, and when relevant the same for the Quran.

God gave you a mind to question and investigate everything, therefore that includes the bible and TWHOFTF. The Bereans were not condemned but PRAISED for checking the apostle Paul's words. Their faith was strong because they had tested what was said against scripture.

Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

 

[lightseeker]

God (Who is.....Truth)

Jesus - I am the Truth

Ummmmm jahtruth bros?

 

[lightseeker]

Since God (Who is Light)

Jesus- I am the light
Jahtruth bros..........it's over

 

[JoChris]

What do the first three verses say? There was a war in heaven. That is mentioned in the Book of Revelation. Revelation also talks about the Morning Star. The Morning/Evening Star, is actually the planet Venus. So we are given some new information, with cross-references to Scripture. At the very least, the first three verses made me feel intrigued.. It presents that there was the war in heaven, and adds interesting perspective. I go, ok? how interesting... My opinion of it, is, that it makes me want to continue reading on, and look up the Bible verses (in the King of kings' Bible, or the KJV)

There are many alternative meanings suggested for what "morning star" means, including Venus.
The more common suggestions are either Jesus or Lucifer. https://www.gotquestions.org/morning-star.html

Sometimes angels or the actual bright morning star. https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/CGG/ID/4949/Morning-Stars.htm

Revelation is a challenging book. I agree with those who say Christians should interpret unclear bible passages with clear verses/ passages.

P.S. In TWHOFTF, AJH puts the bible verses alongside the Quran very often.
You should keep in mind that the Quran was written 6+++ centuries AFTER the bible was completed. The bible was written by the apostles/ disciples of apostles by the end of the 1st century AD, therefore an absolute minimum of 500 years apart.

 

[The Sojourner]

Thank you for showing you do support Anthony John Hill. All who do believe in JAHtruth are most certainly welcome here now.

On a side note: If you [and any other JAHtruth lurkers don't mind], can you expand on the demographics of JAHtruth believers? Where are you situated, what age group and cultural background you are from, which careers you have or common interests you share ....

One thing I can compliment you on - and this is for you too @A Freeman, no matter how much we annoy each other - is that you definitely have the VIDEO and website productions well done. That proves some of you have a high level of education in many areas.

You're welcome. I'm sure there are people all over the world, from different backgrounds, ages, kindreds, nations and tongues, who have read it and believe it. The Book has been translated into languages other than English, including French, Spanish, German, Italian and Portuguese. No doubt further translations into more languages are also being worked on by people who have read it and also know another language,, other than English.

King of kings' Bible, Revelation
7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could count (which is why he was told in verse 4), of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the Throne, and unto the Lamb.

28:13 For the Father will spread His Tabernacle over all His Kingdom (Isa. 4:6) and they will number every people, tribe, language and nation.

I am sure that believers in all sorts of religions etc have the same testimony. I am glad to read that person didn't commit suicide because of the ebook, but it is a real shame that they hadn't become a Christian instead.

They said they had been taken to church before, but that it did not help them, and that they didn't like it.

There is a big difference between childish and childlike.
There is a big difference between gullible and trusting.

e.g. Person A is gullible and believes anything Person B says, whether there is any thing to support what they say or not.
Person C has seen Person D show they are reliable, and then Person C is confident they can continue to trust Person D because of their track record.

Yes. Childlike means, to be trusting. It says at the start of the e-book, to put your trust in Father/God and for Him to guide you and to protect you, as you are reading it, so that you won't have Satan confusing you, into misinterpreting it.

The thing I ask for you to do from now on is that you always compare the King of Kings "bible" and the King James Bible, and when relevant the same for the Quran.

God gave you a mind to question and investigate everything, therefore that includes the bible and TWHOFTF. The Bereans were not condemned but PRAISED for checking the apostle Paul's words. Their faith was strong because they had tested what was said against scripture.

Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

I have both the King of kings' Bible and a 1611 KJV A.V. and do enjoy reading from both.
The KJV is good although admittedly it does have some minor mistakes arising from the translation effort, and the Books in it are not in their correct chronological order, and it doesn't contain all of the Books found in the King of kings' Bible.
Yes, indeed we are to use the sound mind that God gives us. That is one of the reasons why church/organized religion is wrong, because in church the pastor does the interpretation for the people who sit and listen, and it often gets in the way of your free thinking and reasoning process.

A verse from the e-book (jumping ahead, to chapter 3):

TWHOFTF
3:84 The Lord sent you here, and He is the only one who knows EXACTLY what each soul has to
learn, on an individual basis, and therefore, He is the ONLY one who can teach you. THAT is why
organized-religions are totally wrong, because they build a wall between you and God, preventing
your direct-contact, and your free thinking and reasoning process. This is exactly what Satan wants,
and that is why he invented organized-religions.

I hear you, in that you have expressed doubts and what you see as the reasons for it, but, I also do hope that you will continue to read the e-Book while asking The Lord to guide you. I do believe that it has a message for you specifically, as it does for each one of us. And always remember:

Proverbs 3:5 (KJV) Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

God Bless & Peace be upon you.

 

[The Sojourner]

Jesus- I am the light
Jahtruth bros..........it's over

Matthew 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

John 8:3 Then spoke Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the Light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the Light of Life.

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard from him, and declare unto you, that God is Light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

 

[The Sojourner]

Jesus - I am the Truth

Ummmmm jahtruth bros?

John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the Truth of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him].

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the Words (Truth) that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are Life.

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

 

[The Sojourner]

There are many alternative meanings suggested for what "morning star" means, including Venus.
The more common suggestions are either Jesus or Lucifer. https://www.gotquestions.org/morning-star.html

Sometimes angels or the actual bright morning star. https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/CGG/ID/4949/Morning-Stars.htm

Revelation is a challenging book. I agree with those who say Christians should interpret unclear bible passages with clear verses/ passages.

P.S. In TWHOFTF, AJH puts the bible verses alongside the Quran very often.
You should keep in mind that the Quran was written 6+++ centuries AFTER the bible was completed. The bible was written by the apostles/ disciples of apostles by the end of the 1st century AD, therefore an absolute minimum of 500 years apart.

Agreed, it is a challenging Book.

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.

That it can refer to angels, as in "morning stars", is interesting (like in the Book of Job).

When the Morning Stars, sang together? Hmmm..? So, they sing?

Do Australians also sing? Yes, they do. (Australians, meaning inhabitants of Australia)

Just an interesting possibility, to think about? If you open your mind..

 

[Infinityloop]

How many of these were true, and how many of these were false. @A Freeman @Sojourner @None of you

(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus)



This is a partial list of notable people who have been claimed, either by themselves or by their followers, to be the reincarnation or incarnation of Jesus, or the Second Coming of Christ. Only people who have Wikipedia articles are listed.
17th century[edit]

Portrait of the Welsh prophet, Rhys 'Arise' Evans.

• Rhys Evans, (1607 – c.1660) who later renamed himself 'Arise Evans' was a Welsh prophet who travelled to London to spread his premonitions. He was arrested and imprisoned around 1650 at Newgate Prison for impersonating Christ.[1][2]

18th century[edit]

• Kondratiy Selivanov (c. 1730s–1832), the founder and leader of the Skoptsy sect in the Russian Empire.[3]
• Ann Lee (1736–1784), the founder and leader of the Shakers. Lee's followers referred to her as "Mother", believing that she was the female incarnation of Christ on Earth.[4]

19th century[edit]

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

• John Nichols Thom (1799–1838), a Cornish merchant and politician who claimed to be the "saviour of the world" and the reincarnation of Jesus Christ in 1834. He was killed during a confrontation with government soldiers at the Battle of Bossenden Wood on 31 May 1838 near Hernhill, Kent.[5]
• Arnold Potter (1804–1872), Schismatic Latter Day Saint leader; he claimed the spirit of Jesus Christ entered into his body and he became "Potter Christ" Son of the living God. He died in an attempt to "ascend into heaven" by jumping off a cliff. His body was later retrieved and buried by his followers.[6]
• Bahá'u'lláh (1817–1892), born Shiite, adopted Bábism later in 1844;[7] he claimed to be the prophesied fulfillment and Promised One of major religions including Hinduism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam. He founded the Baháʼí Faith in 1863.[8] The Baháʼís believe that the fulfillment of the prophecies of the second coming of Jesus, as well as the prophecies of the 5th Buddha Maitreya and many other religious prophecies, were begun by the Báb in 1844 and then by Bahá'u'lláh. They commonly compare the fulfillment of Christian prophecies to Jesus' fulfillment of Jewish prophecies, where in both cases people were expecting the literal fulfillment of apocalyptic statements.[9]
• William W. Davies (1833–1906), leader of a Latter Day Saint schismatic group called the Kingdom of Heaven located in Walla Walla, Washington from 1867 to 1881. He taught his followers that he was the archangel Michael, who had previously lived as the biblical Adam, Abraham, and David. When his son Arthur was born on 11 February 1868, Davies declared that the infant was the reincarnated Jesus Christ.[10][11] When Davies's second son, David, was born in 1869, he was declared to be God the Father.[10]
• Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India (1835–1908), claimed to be the awaited Mahdi as well as the Second Coming and likeness of Jesus, the promised Messiah at the end of time. He claimed to be Jesus in the metaphorical sense; in character. He founded the Ahmadiyya Movement in 1889, envisioning it to be the rejuvenation of Islam, and claimed to be commissioned by God for the reformation of humankind.
• Cyrus Teed (1839–1908), American physician, claimed to be the incarnation of Jesus Christ and to have obtained knowledge regarding the Hollow Earth theory, presenting a cosmological model having the Earth as an inverted sphere and the remaining universe located within it.[12]
• Carl Browne (1849–1914), American activist and leader of the Coxey's Army protest movement, claimed to be the partial reincarnation of Jesus.[13]

20th century[edit]

• John Hugh Smyth-Pigott (1852–1927). Around 1890 Smyth-Pigott started leading meetings of the Agapemonite community and recruited 50 young female followers to supplement its aging population. He took Ruth Anne Preece as his second wife and she had three children named Glory, Power and Hallelujah.[14] The house which may have belonged to Smyth-Pigott in St John's Wood was visited by John Betjeman in his film Metro-Land. It is built in the neo-gothic style. It is currently the home of the television presenter Vanessa Feltz and was previously the home of Charles Saatchi.[15] Smyth-Pigott died in 1927 and the sect gradually declined until the last member, sister Ruth, died in 1956.[16] Her funeral in 1956 was the only time when outsiders were admitted to the chapel.[17]

Haile Selassie I

• Haile Selassie I (1892–1975) did not claim to be Jesus and disapproved of claims that he was Jesus, but the Rastafari movement, which emerged in Jamaica during the 1930s, believes he is the Second Coming. He embodied this when he became Emperor of Ethiopia in 1930, perceived as confirmation of the return of the Messiah in the prophetic Book of Revelation 5:5 in the New Testament, who is also expected to return a second time to initiate the apocalyptic day of judgment. He is also called Jah Ras Tafari, and is often considered to be alive by Rastafari movement members.[18]
• Ernest Norman (1904–1971), an American electrical engineer who co-founded the Unarius Academy of Science in 1954, was allegedly Jesus in a past life and his earthly incarnation was as an archangel named Raphael.[19] He claimed to be the reincarnation of other notable figures including Confucius, Mona Lisa, Benjamin Franklin, Socrates, Queen Elizabeth I, and Tsar Peter I the Great.[20]

Krishna Venta

• Krishna Venta (1911–1958), born Francis Herman Pencovic in San Francisco, founded the WKFL (Wisdom, Knowledge, Faith and Love) Fountain of the World cult in Simi Valley, California in the late 1940s. In 1948 he stated that he was Christ, the new messiah and claimed to have led a convoy of rocket ships to Earth from the extinct planet Neophrates. He died on 10 December 1958, after being suicide-bombed by two disgruntled former followers who accused Venta of mishandling cult funds and having been intimate with their wives.
• Jesu Oyingbo (1915–1988), a Nigerian man who proclaimed himself to be Jesus Christ returned.[21][22]
• Ahn Sahng-hong (1918–1985), a South Korean who founded the World Mission Society Church of God in 1964, who recognize him as the Second Coming of Jesus. The World Mission Society Church of God teach that Zahng Gil-jah is "God the Mother", who they explain is referred to in the Bible as the New Jerusalem Mother (Galatians 4:26), and that Ahn Sahng-Hong is God the Father.[23]

Sun Myung Moon

• Sun Myung Moon (1920–2012), believed by members of the Unification Church to be the Messiah and the Second Coming of Christ, fulfilling Jesus' unfinished mission. Church members ("Unificationists") consider Sun Myung Moon and his wife, Hak Ja Han, to be the True Parents of humankind as the restored Adam and Eve.[24][25]
• Anne Hamilton-Byrne (1921–2019) of The Family, born Evelyn Grace Victoria Edwards.
• Jim Jones (1931–1978), founder of Peoples Temple, which started off as an offshoot of a mainstream Protestant sect before becoming a personality cult as time went on. He claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus, Akhenaten, the Buddha, Vladimir Lenin and Father Divine in the 1970s.[26] He organized a mass murder suicide at Jonestown, Guyana on 18 November 1978.[27] He shot himself after the murders were done.
• Marshall Applewhite (1931–1997), an American who posted a Usenet message declaring, "I, Jesus—Son of God—acknowledge on this date of September 25/26, 1995: ..."[28] Applewhite and his Heaven's Gate religious group committed mass suicide on 26 March 1997, to rendezvous with what they thought was a spaceship hiding behind Comet Hale–Bopp.[29]
• Charles Manson (1934–2017), American criminal, cult leader, and songwriter.[30]
• Yahweh ben Yahweh (1935–2007), born as Hulon Mitchell Jr., a black nationalist and separatist who created the Nation of Yahweh in 1979 in Liberty City, Florida. His self-proclaimed name means "God, Son of God". He could have only been deeming himself to be "son of God", not God, but many of his followers clearly deem him to be God Incarnate.[31][32] In 1992, he was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and sentenced to 18 years in prison.[33]
• Laszlo Toth (b. 1938), Hungarian-born Australian who claimed he was Jesus Christ as he vandalized Michelangelo's Pietà with a geologist's hammer in 1972.[34][35]
• Wayne Bent (b. 1941), also known as Michael Travesser of the Lord Our Righteousness Church. He claims: "I am the embodiment of God. I am divinity and humanity combined."[36] He was convicted on 15 December 2008, of one count of criminal sexual contact of a minor and two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor in 2008.[37]
• Ariffin Mohammed (1943–2016), also known as "Ayah Pin", the founder of the banned Sky Kingdom in Malaysia in 1975. He claimed to have direct contact with the heavens and is believed by his followers to have been the incarnation of Jesus, as well as Shiva, and the Buddha, and Muhammad.[38]
• Mitsuo Matayoshi (1944–2018) was a conservative Japanese politician, who in 1997 established the World Economic Community Party based on his conviction that he is God and Christ, renaming himself Iesu Matayoshi. According to his program he will do the Last Judgment as Christ but within the current political system.[39][40]
• Tony Quinn (b. 1944), owned Yoga communes in 1970s Ireland where an orphan girl responsible for younger siblings endured a 40-day water-fast and ceased menstruation. He later created Educo which promoted the Ten percent of the brain myth and was rubbished by Professors of Psychology and Psychiatry in Ireland. It was found by the Eastern Caribbean Supreme Court that his allocation of shares in International Natural Energy was affirmed by a "clumsy forgery". An ex-follower sued Quinn for "assault and battery; allegedly obtaining money by false pretences; alleged fraudulent misrepresentation, intentional or careless infliction of mental suffering and suborning" in 2010.[41][42][43][44][45][46][47][48][49][50]
• Hogen Fukunaga (b. 1945) founded Ho No Hana Sanpogyo, often called the "foot reading cult", in Japan in 1987 after an alleged spiritual event where he claimed to have realized he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and Gautama Buddha.[51]
• José Luis de Jesús (1946–2013), Puerto Rican founder, leader and organizer of Growing in Grace based in Miami, Florida, who claimed that the resurrected Christ "integrated himself within me" in 2007.[52]
• Inri Cristo (b. 1948), a Brazilian who claims to be the second Jesus reincarnated in 1969.[53] Brasília is considered by Inri Cristo and his disciples as the New Jerusalem of the Apocalypse.
• Thomas Harrison Provenzano[54] (1949–2000), an American convicted murderer who was possibly mentally ill. He compared his execution with Jesus Christ's crucifixion.[55]
• David Icke (b. 1952), English former footballer and sports broadcaster, who said in a 1991 television interview with Terry Wogan that he was "the son of God".[56]
• Hasan Mezarcı (b. 1954) is a former politician and member of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey (1991–1995) who was expelled from the Welfare Party and imprisoned for his extreme view against secularism. He claimed to be Isa after his imprisonment.[57][58][59]
• Shoko Asahara (1955–2018) founded the terrorist Japanese religious group Aum Shinrikyo in 1984. He declared himself Christ, Japan's only fully enlightened master and the Lamb of God. His purported mission was to take upon himself the sins of the world. He outlined a doomsday prophecy, which included a Third World War, and described a final conflict culminating in a nuclear Armageddon, borrowing the term from the Book of Revelation 16:16.[60] Humanity would end, except for the elite few who joined Aum.[60] The group gained international notoriety on 20 March 1995, when it carried out the sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway. He was sentenced to death, and was executed on 6 July 2018.
• David Koresh (1959–1993), born Vernon Wayne Howell, was the leader of a Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas, though never directly claiming to be Jesus himself, proclaimed that he was the final prophet and "the Son of God, the Lamb" in 1983. In 1993, a raid by the U.S. BATF, and the subsequent siege by the FBI ended with Branch Davidian ranch burning to the ground. Koresh, 54 adults and 21 children were found dead after the fire extinguished itself.[61]
• Marina Tsvigun (b. 1960), or Maria Devi Christos, is the leader of the Great White Brotherhood.[62] In 1990 she met Yuri Krivonogov, the Great White Brotherhood founder, who recognized Marina as a new messiah and later married her, assuming in the sect the role of John the Baptist, subordinate to Tsvigun.
• Sergey Torop (b. 1961), a Russian former traffic cop who claims to be "reborn" as Vissarion, Jesus Christ returned, which makes him not "God" but the "Word of God". Also known as "Jesus of Siberia," Torop has an appearance similar to depictions of Jesus. He dresses in all white flowing robes and has long brown hair and a beard. Before claiming to be the Vissarion, Torop worked as a traffic policeman until he was fired in 1990. He founded the Church of the Last Testament and the spiritual community Ecopolis Tiberkul in Southern Siberia in 1990. The Church of the Last Testament has been described as being a mixture of beliefs from the Russian Orthodox Church, Buddhism, apocalypticism, collectivism, and with ecological values. The church currently resides on the largest religious reservation in the world in Siberian Taiga.[63][64]

21st century[edit]

Alan John Miller and Mary Luck (Divine Truth)

David Shayler

• Apollo Quiboloy (b. 1950) is the founder and leader of a Philippines-based Restorationist church, the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, The Name Above Every Name, Inc. He has made claims that he is the "Appointed Son of God".[65]
• Alan John Miller (b. 1962), more commonly known as A.J. Miller, a former Jehovah's Witness Elder and current leader of the Australia-based Divine Truth movement.[66] Miller claims to be Jesus Christ reincarnated with others in the 20th century to spread messages that he calls the "Divine Truth". He delivers these messages in seminars and various forms of media along with his current partner Mary Suzanne Luck, who identifies herself as the returned Mary Magdalene.[67]
• David Shayler (b. 1965) is a former MI5 officer and whistleblower who, in the summer of 2007, proclaimed himself to be the Messiah. He has released a series of videos on YouTube claiming to be Jesus, although he has not built up any noticeable following since his claims.[68][69]
• Maurice Clemmons (1972–2009), an American felon responsible for the 2009 murder of four police officers in Washington state, referred to himself in May 2009 as Jesus.[70]
• Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez (b. 1990). In November 2011, he fired nine shots with a Romanian Cugir SA semi-automatic rifle at the White House in Washington D.C., believing himself to be Jesus Christ sent to kill U.S. President Barack Obama, whom he believed to be the antichrist.[71][72]
• Todd Kincannon (b. 1981), former head of the South Carolina Republican Party, was arrested in 2018 for killing and mutilating his mother's dog. He claimed to police he was the second coming of Jesus Christ and that God had told him to do it, because “every 1,000 years there needs to be a sacrifice and blood must be spilt."[73]
• Gabbie Hanna (b. 1991), an American Internet personality and singer-songwriter, went on a multi-post rant on TikTok in August 2022 claiming to be the second coming of Jesus.[74]
• Ezra Miller (b. 1992), a non-binary American actor who allegedly referred to themself as Jesus, the Devil, and a Messiah to Native Americans[75] and later claimed to be seeking mental help for same.[76]

 

[lightseeker]

How many of these were true, and how many of these were false. @A Freeman @Sojourner @None of you

(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus)



This is a partial list of notable people who have been claimed, either by themselves or by their followers, to be the reincarnation or incarnation of Jesus, or the Second Coming of Christ. Only people who have Wikipedia articles are listed.
17th century[edit]

Portrait of the Welsh prophet, Rhys 'Arise' Evans.

• Rhys Evans, (1607 – c.1660) who later renamed himself 'Arise Evans' was a Welsh prophet who travelled to London to spread his premonitions. He was arrested and imprisoned around 1650 at Newgate Prison for impersonating Christ.[1][2]

18th century[edit]

• Kondratiy Selivanov (c. 1730s–1832), the founder and leader of the Skoptsy sect in the Russian Empire.[3]
• Ann Lee (1736–1784), the founder and leader of the Shakers. Lee's followers referred to her as "Mother", believing that she was the female incarnation of Christ on Earth.[4]

19th century[edit]

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

• John Nichols Thom (1799–1838), a Cornish merchant and politician who claimed to be the "saviour of the world" and the reincarnation of Jesus Christ in 1834. He was killed during a confrontation with government soldiers at the Battle of Bossenden Wood on 31 May 1838 near Hernhill, Kent.[5]
• Arnold Potter (1804–1872), Schismatic Latter Day Saint leader; he claimed the spirit of Jesus Christ entered into his body and he became "Potter Christ" Son of the living God. He died in an attempt to "ascend into heaven" by jumping off a cliff. His body was later retrieved and buried by his followers.[6]
• Bahá'u'lláh (1817–1892), born Shiite, adopted Bábism later in 1844;[7] he claimed to be the prophesied fulfillment and Promised One of major religions including Hinduism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam. He founded the Baháʼí Faith in 1863.[8] The Baháʼís believe that the fulfillment of the prophecies of the second coming of Jesus, as well as the prophecies of the 5th Buddha Maitreya and many other religious prophecies, were begun by the Báb in 1844 and then by Bahá'u'lláh. They commonly compare the fulfillment of Christian prophecies to Jesus' fulfillment of Jewish prophecies, where in both cases people were expecting the literal fulfillment of apocalyptic statements.[9]
• William W. Davies (1833–1906), leader of a Latter Day Saint schismatic group called the Kingdom of Heaven located in Walla Walla, Washington from 1867 to 1881. He taught his followers that he was the archangel Michael, who had previously lived as the biblical Adam, Abraham, and David. When his son Arthur was born on 11 February 1868, Davies declared that the infant was the reincarnated Jesus Christ.[10][11] When Davies's second son, David, was born in 1869, he was declared to be God the Father.[10]
• Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India (1835–1908), claimed to be the awaited Mahdi as well as the Second Coming and likeness of Jesus, the promised Messiah at the end of time. He claimed to be Jesus in the metaphorical sense; in character. He founded the Ahmadiyya Movement in 1889, envisioning it to be the rejuvenation of Islam, and claimed to be commissioned by God for the reformation of humankind.
• Cyrus Teed (1839–1908), American physician, claimed to be the incarnation of Jesus Christ and to have obtained knowledge regarding the Hollow Earth theory, presenting a cosmological model having the Earth as an inverted sphere and the remaining universe located within it.[12]
• Carl Browne (1849–1914), American activist and leader of the Coxey's Army protest movement, claimed to be the partial reincarnation of Jesus.[13]

20th century[edit]

• John Hugh Smyth-Pigott (1852–1927). Around 1890 Smyth-Pigott started leading meetings of the Agapemonite community and recruited 50 young female followers to supplement its aging population. He took Ruth Anne Preece as his second wife and she had three children named Glory, Power and Hallelujah.[14] The house which may have belonged to Smyth-Pigott in St John's Wood was visited by John Betjeman in his film Metro-Land. It is built in the neo-gothic style. It is currently the home of the television presenter Vanessa Feltz and was previously the home of Charles Saatchi.[15] Smyth-Pigott died in 1927 and the sect gradually declined until the last member, sister Ruth, died in 1956.[16] Her funeral in 1956 was the only time when outsiders were admitted to the chapel.[17]

Haile Selassie I

• Haile Selassie I (1892–1975) did not claim to be Jesus and disapproved of claims that he was Jesus, but the Rastafari movement, which emerged in Jamaica during the 1930s, believes he is the Second Coming. He embodied this when he became Emperor of Ethiopia in 1930, perceived as confirmation of the return of the Messiah in the prophetic Book of Revelation 5:5 in the New Testament, who is also expected to return a second time to initiate the apocalyptic day of judgment. He is also called Jah Ras Tafari, and is often considered to be alive by Rastafari movement members.[18]
• Ernest Norman (1904–1971), an American electrical engineer who co-founded the Unarius Academy of Science in 1954, was allegedly Jesus in a past life and his earthly incarnation was as an archangel named Raphael.[19] He claimed to be the reincarnation of other notable figures including Confucius, Mona Lisa, Benjamin Franklin, Socrates, Queen Elizabeth I, and Tsar Peter I the Great.[20]

Krishna Venta

• Krishna Venta (1911–1958), born Francis Herman Pencovic in San Francisco, founded the WKFL (Wisdom, Knowledge, Faith and Love) Fountain of the World cult in Simi Valley, California in the late 1940s. In 1948 he stated that he was Christ, the new messiah and claimed to have led a convoy of rocket ships to Earth from the extinct planet Neophrates. He died on 10 December 1958, after being suicide-bombed by two disgruntled former followers who accused Venta of mishandling cult funds and having been intimate with their wives.
• Jesu Oyingbo (1915–1988), a Nigerian man who proclaimed himself to be Jesus Christ returned.[21][22]
• Ahn Sahng-hong (1918–1985), a South Korean who founded the World Mission Society Church of God in 1964, who recognize him as the Second Coming of Jesus. The World Mission Society Church of God teach that Zahng Gil-jah is "God the Mother", who they explain is referred to in the Bible as the New Jerusalem Mother (Galatians 4:26), and that Ahn Sahng-Hong is God the Father.[23]

Sun Myung Moon

• Sun Myung Moon (1920–2012), believed by members of the Unification Church to be the Messiah and the Second Coming of Christ, fulfilling Jesus' unfinished mission. Church members ("Unificationists") consider Sun Myung Moon and his wife, Hak Ja Han, to be the True Parents of humankind as the restored Adam and Eve.[24][25]
• Anne Hamilton-Byrne (1921–2019) of The Family, born Evelyn Grace Victoria Edwards.
• Jim Jones (1931–1978), founder of Peoples Temple, which started off as an offshoot of a mainstream Protestant sect before becoming a personality cult as time went on. He claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus, Akhenaten, the Buddha, Vladimir Lenin and Father Divine in the 1970s.[26] He organized a mass murder suicide at Jonestown, Guyana on 18 November 1978.[27] He shot himself after the murders were done.
• Marshall Applewhite (1931–1997), an American who posted a Usenet message declaring, "I, Jesus—Son of God—acknowledge on this date of September 25/26, 1995: ..."[28] Applewhite and his Heaven's Gate religious group committed mass suicide on 26 March 1997, to rendezvous with what they thought was a spaceship hiding behind Comet Hale–Bopp.[29]
• Charles Manson (1934–2017), American criminal, cult leader, and songwriter.[30]
• Yahweh ben Yahweh (1935–2007), born as Hulon Mitchell Jr., a black nationalist and separatist who created the Nation of Yahweh in 1979 in Liberty City, Florida. His self-proclaimed name means "God, Son of God". He could have only been deeming himself to be "son of God", not God, but many of his followers clearly deem him to be God Incarnate.[31][32] In 1992, he was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and sentenced to 18 years in prison.[33]
• Laszlo Toth (b. 1938), Hungarian-born Australian who claimed he was Jesus Christ as he vandalized Michelangelo's Pietà with a geologist's hammer in 1972.[34][35]
• Wayne Bent (b. 1941), also known as Michael Travesser of the Lord Our Righteousness Church. He claims: "I am the embodiment of God. I am divinity and humanity combined."[36] He was convicted on 15 December 2008, of one count of criminal sexual contact of a minor and two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor in 2008.[37]
• Ariffin Mohammed (1943–2016), also known as "Ayah Pin", the founder of the banned Sky Kingdom in Malaysia in 1975. He claimed to have direct contact with the heavens and is believed by his followers to have been the incarnation of Jesus, as well as Shiva, and the Buddha, and Muhammad.[38]
• Mitsuo Matayoshi (1944–2018) was a conservative Japanese politician, who in 1997 established the World Economic Community Party based on his conviction that he is God and Christ, renaming himself Iesu Matayoshi. According to his program he will do the Last Judgment as Christ but within the current political system.[39][40]
• Tony Quinn (b. 1944), owned Yoga communes in 1970s Ireland where an orphan girl responsible for younger siblings endured a 40-day water-fast and ceased menstruation. He later created Educo which promoted the Ten percent of the brain myth and was rubbished by Professors of Psychology and Psychiatry in Ireland. It was found by the Eastern Caribbean Supreme Court that his allocation of shares in International Natural Energy was affirmed by a "clumsy forgery". An ex-follower sued Quinn for "assault and battery; allegedly obtaining money by false pretences; alleged fraudulent misrepresentation, intentional or careless infliction of mental suffering and suborning" in 2010.[41][42][43][44][45][46][47][48][49][50]
• Hogen Fukunaga (b. 1945) founded Ho No Hana Sanpogyo, often called the "foot reading cult", in Japan in 1987 after an alleged spiritual event where he claimed to have realized he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and Gautama Buddha.[51]
• José Luis de Jesús (1946–2013), Puerto Rican founder, leader and organizer of Growing in Grace based in Miami, Florida, who claimed that the resurrected Christ "integrated himself within me" in 2007.[52]
• Inri Cristo (b. 1948), a Brazilian who claims to be the second Jesus reincarnated in 1969.[53] Brasília is considered by Inri Cristo and his disciples as the New Jerusalem of the Apocalypse.
• Thomas Harrison Provenzano[54] (1949–2000), an American convicted murderer who was possibly mentally ill. He compared his execution with Jesus Christ's crucifixion.[55]
• David Icke (b. 1952), English former footballer and sports broadcaster, who said in a 1991 television interview with Terry Wogan that he was "the son of God".[56]
• Hasan Mezarcı (b. 1954) is a former politician and member of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey (1991–1995) who was expelled from the Welfare Party and imprisoned for his extreme view against secularism. He claimed to be Isa after his imprisonment.[57][58][59]
• Shoko Asahara (1955–2018) founded the terrorist Japanese religious group Aum Shinrikyo in 1984. He declared himself Christ, Japan's only fully enlightened master and the Lamb of God. His purported mission was to take upon himself the sins of the world. He outlined a doomsday prophecy, which included a Third World War, and described a final conflict culminating in a nuclear Armageddon, borrowing the term from the Book of Revelation 16:16.[60] Humanity would end, except for the elite few who joined Aum.[60] The group gained international notoriety on 20 March 1995, when it carried out the sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway. He was sentenced to death, and was executed on 6 July 2018.
• David Koresh (1959–1993), born Vernon Wayne Howell, was the leader of a Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas, though never directly claiming to be Jesus himself, proclaimed that he was the final prophet and "the Son of God, the Lamb" in 1983. In 1993, a raid by the U.S. BATF, and the subsequent siege by the FBI ended with Branch Davidian ranch burning to the ground. Koresh, 54 adults and 21 children were found dead after the fire extinguished itself.[61]
• Marina Tsvigun (b. 1960), or Maria Devi Christos, is the leader of the Great White Brotherhood.[62] In 1990 she met Yuri Krivonogov, the Great White Brotherhood founder, who recognized Marina as a new messiah and later married her, assuming in the sect the role of John the Baptist, subordinate to Tsvigun.
• Sergey Torop (b. 1961), a Russian former traffic cop who claims to be "reborn" as Vissarion, Jesus Christ returned, which makes him not "God" but the "Word of God". Also known as "Jesus of Siberia," Torop has an appearance similar to depictions of Jesus. He dresses in all white flowing robes and has long brown hair and a beard. Before claiming to be the Vissarion, Torop worked as a traffic policeman until he was fired in 1990. He founded the Church of the Last Testament and the spiritual community Ecopolis Tiberkul in Southern Siberia in 1990. The Church of the Last Testament has been described as being a mixture of beliefs from the Russian Orthodox Church, Buddhism, apocalypticism, collectivism, and with ecological values. The church currently resides on the largest religious reservation in the world in Siberian Taiga.[63][64]

21st century[edit]

Alan John Miller and Mary Luck (Divine Truth)

David Shayler

• Apollo Quiboloy (b. 1950) is the founder and leader of a Philippines-based Restorationist church, the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, The Name Above Every Name, Inc. He has made claims that he is the "Appointed Son of God".[65]
• Alan John Miller (b. 1962), more commonly known as A.J. Miller, a former Jehovah's Witness Elder and current leader of the Australia-based Divine Truth movement.[66] Miller claims to be Jesus Christ reincarnated with others in the 20th century to spread messages that he calls the "Divine Truth". He delivers these messages in seminars and various forms of media along with his current partner Mary Suzanne Luck, who identifies herself as the returned Mary Magdalene.[67]
• David Shayler (b. 1965) is a former MI5 officer and whistleblower who, in the summer of 2007, proclaimed himself to be the Messiah. He has released a series of videos on YouTube claiming to be Jesus, although he has not built up any noticeable following since his claims.[68][69]
• Maurice Clemmons (1972–2009), an American felon responsible for the 2009 murder of four police officers in Washington state, referred to himself in May 2009 as Jesus.[70]
• Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez (b. 1990). In November 2011, he fired nine shots with a Romanian Cugir SA semi-automatic rifle at the White House in Washington D.C., believing himself to be Jesus Christ sent to kill U.S. President Barack Obama, whom he believed to be the antichrist.[71][72]
• Todd Kincannon (b. 1981), former head of the South Carolina Republican Party, was arrested in 2018 for killing and mutilating his mother's dog. He claimed to police he was the second coming of Jesus Christ and that God had told him to do it, because “every 1,000 years there needs to be a sacrifice and blood must be spilt."[73]
• Gabbie Hanna (b. 1991), an American Internet personality and singer-songwriter, went on a multi-post rant on TikTok in August 2022 claiming to be the second coming of Jesus.[74]
• Ezra Miller (b. 1992), a non-binary American actor who allegedly referred to themself as Jesus, the Devil, and a Messiah to Native Americans[75] and later claimed to be seeking mental help for same.[76]

ALL reincarnatuons of JAH/Michael/Christ/Jim Jones EXACTLY as was prophecied with a NEW NAME now believe in all of their teachings or you are calling God and Christ liars, which is not only extremely foolish, but a sure-fire recipe for finding yourself in The Fire on Judgement Day.
Peace Be Upon You.

 

[The Sojourner]

How many of these were true, and how many of these were false. @A Freeman @Sojourner @None of you

(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus)



This is a partial list of notable people who have been claimed, either by themselves or by their followers, to be the reincarnation or incarnation of Jesus, or the Second Coming of Christ. Only people who have Wikipedia articles are listed.
17th century[edit]

Portrait of the Welsh prophet, Rhys 'Arise' Evans.

• Rhys Evans, (1607 – c.1660) who later renamed himself 'Arise Evans' was a Welsh prophet who travelled to London to spread his premonitions. He was arrested and imprisoned around 1650 at Newgate Prison for impersonating Christ.[1][2]

18th century[edit]

• Kondratiy Selivanov (c. 1730s–1832), the founder and leader of the Skoptsy sect in the Russian Empire.[3]
• Ann Lee (1736–1784), the founder and leader of the Shakers. Lee's followers referred to her as "Mother", believing that she was the female incarnation of Christ on Earth.[4]

19th century[edit]

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

• John Nichols Thom (1799–1838), a Cornish merchant and politician who claimed to be the "saviour of the world" and the reincarnation of Jesus Christ in 1834. He was killed during a confrontation with government soldiers at the Battle of Bossenden Wood on 31 May 1838 near Hernhill, Kent.[5]
• Arnold Potter (1804–1872), Schismatic Latter Day Saint leader; he claimed the spirit of Jesus Christ entered into his body and he became "Potter Christ" Son of the living God. He died in an attempt to "ascend into heaven" by jumping off a cliff. His body was later retrieved and buried by his followers.[6]
• Bahá'u'lláh (1817–1892), born Shiite, adopted Bábism later in 1844;[7] he claimed to be the prophesied fulfillment and Promised One of major religions including Hinduism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam. He founded the Baháʼí Faith in 1863.[8] The Baháʼís believe that the fulfillment of the prophecies of the second coming of Jesus, as well as the prophecies of the 5th Buddha Maitreya and many other religious prophecies, were begun by the Báb in 1844 and then by Bahá'u'lláh. They commonly compare the fulfillment of Christian prophecies to Jesus' fulfillment of Jewish prophecies, where in both cases people were expecting the literal fulfillment of apocalyptic statements.[9]
• William W. Davies (1833–1906), leader of a Latter Day Saint schismatic group called the Kingdom of Heaven located in Walla Walla, Washington from 1867 to 1881. He taught his followers that he was the archangel Michael, who had previously lived as the biblical Adam, Abraham, and David. When his son Arthur was born on 11 February 1868, Davies declared that the infant was the reincarnated Jesus Christ.[10][11] When Davies's second son, David, was born in 1869, he was declared to be God the Father.[10]
• Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India (1835–1908), claimed to be the awaited Mahdi as well as the Second Coming and likeness of Jesus, the promised Messiah at the end of time. He claimed to be Jesus in the metaphorical sense; in character. He founded the Ahmadiyya Movement in 1889, envisioning it to be the rejuvenation of Islam, and claimed to be commissioned by God for the reformation of humankind.
• Cyrus Teed (1839–1908), American physician, claimed to be the incarnation of Jesus Christ and to have obtained knowledge regarding the Hollow Earth theory, presenting a cosmological model having the Earth as an inverted sphere and the remaining universe located within it.[12]
• Carl Browne (1849–1914), American activist and leader of the Coxey's Army protest movement, claimed to be the partial reincarnation of Jesus.[13]

20th century[edit]

• John Hugh Smyth-Pigott (1852–1927). Around 1890 Smyth-Pigott started leading meetings of the Agapemonite community and recruited 50 young female followers to supplement its aging population. He took Ruth Anne Preece as his second wife and she had three children named Glory, Power and Hallelujah.[14] The house which may have belonged to Smyth-Pigott in St John's Wood was visited by John Betjeman in his film Metro-Land. It is built in the neo-gothic style. It is currently the home of the television presenter Vanessa Feltz and was previously the home of Charles Saatchi.[15] Smyth-Pigott died in 1927 and the sect gradually declined until the last member, sister Ruth, died in 1956.[16] Her funeral in 1956 was the only time when outsiders were admitted to the chapel.[17]

Haile Selassie I

• Haile Selassie I (1892–1975) did not claim to be Jesus and disapproved of claims that he was Jesus, but the Rastafari movement, which emerged in Jamaica during the 1930s, believes he is the Second Coming. He embodied this when he became Emperor of Ethiopia in 1930, perceived as confirmation of the return of the Messiah in the prophetic Book of Revelation 5:5 in the New Testament, who is also expected to return a second time to initiate the apocalyptic day of judgment. He is also called Jah Ras Tafari, and is often considered to be alive by Rastafari movement members.[18]
• Ernest Norman (1904–1971), an American electrical engineer who co-founded the Unarius Academy of Science in 1954, was allegedly Jesus in a past life and his earthly incarnation was as an archangel named Raphael.[19] He claimed to be the reincarnation of other notable figures including Confucius, Mona Lisa, Benjamin Franklin, Socrates, Queen Elizabeth I, and Tsar Peter I the Great.[20]

Krishna Venta

• Krishna Venta (1911–1958), born Francis Herman Pencovic in San Francisco, founded the WKFL (Wisdom, Knowledge, Faith and Love) Fountain of the World cult in Simi Valley, California in the late 1940s. In 1948 he stated that he was Christ, the new messiah and claimed to have led a convoy of rocket ships to Earth from the extinct planet Neophrates. He died on 10 December 1958, after being suicide-bombed by two disgruntled former followers who accused Venta of mishandling cult funds and having been intimate with their wives.
• Jesu Oyingbo (1915–1988), a Nigerian man who proclaimed himself to be Jesus Christ returned.[21][22]
• Ahn Sahng-hong (1918–1985), a South Korean who founded the World Mission Society Church of God in 1964, who recognize him as the Second Coming of Jesus. The World Mission Society Church of God teach that Zahng Gil-jah is "God the Mother", who they explain is referred to in the Bible as the New Jerusalem Mother (Galatians 4:26), and that Ahn Sahng-Hong is God the Father.[23]

Sun Myung Moon

• Sun Myung Moon (1920–2012), believed by members of the Unification Church to be the Messiah and the Second Coming of Christ, fulfilling Jesus' unfinished mission. Church members ("Unificationists") consider Sun Myung Moon and his wife, Hak Ja Han, to be the True Parents of humankind as the restored Adam and Eve.[24][25]
• Anne Hamilton-Byrne (1921–2019) of The Family, born Evelyn Grace Victoria Edwards.
• Jim Jones (1931–1978), founder of Peoples Temple, which started off as an offshoot of a mainstream Protestant sect before becoming a personality cult as time went on. He claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus, Akhenaten, the Buddha, Vladimir Lenin and Father Divine in the 1970s.[26] He organized a mass murder suicide at Jonestown, Guyana on 18 November 1978.[27] He shot himself after the murders were done.
• Marshall Applewhite (1931–1997), an American who posted a Usenet message declaring, "I, Jesus—Son of God—acknowledge on this date of September 25/26, 1995: ..."[28] Applewhite and his Heaven's Gate religious group committed mass suicide on 26 March 1997, to rendezvous with what they thought was a spaceship hiding behind Comet Hale–Bopp.[29]
• Charles Manson (1934–2017), American criminal, cult leader, and songwriter.[30]
• Yahweh ben Yahweh (1935–2007), born as Hulon Mitchell Jr., a black nationalist and separatist who created the Nation of Yahweh in 1979 in Liberty City, Florida. His self-proclaimed name means "God, Son of God". He could have only been deeming himself to be "son of God", not God, but many of his followers clearly deem him to be God Incarnate.[31][32] In 1992, he was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and sentenced to 18 years in prison.[33]
• Laszlo Toth (b. 1938), Hungarian-born Australian who claimed he was Jesus Christ as he vandalized Michelangelo's Pietà with a geologist's hammer in 1972.[34][35]
• Wayne Bent (b. 1941), also known as Michael Travesser of the Lord Our Righteousness Church. He claims: "I am the embodiment of God. I am divinity and humanity combined."[36] He was convicted on 15 December 2008, of one count of criminal sexual contact of a minor and two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor in 2008.[37]
• Ariffin Mohammed (1943–2016), also known as "Ayah Pin", the founder of the banned Sky Kingdom in Malaysia in 1975. He claimed to have direct contact with the heavens and is believed by his followers to have been the incarnation of Jesus, as well as Shiva, and the Buddha, and Muhammad.[38]
• Mitsuo Matayoshi (1944–2018) was a conservative Japanese politician, who in 1997 established the World Economic Community Party based on his conviction that he is God and Christ, renaming himself Iesu Matayoshi. According to his program he will do the Last Judgment as Christ but within the current political system.[39][40]
• Tony Quinn (b. 1944), owned Yoga communes in 1970s Ireland where an orphan girl responsible for younger siblings endured a 40-day water-fast and ceased menstruation. He later created Educo which promoted the Ten percent of the brain myth and was rubbished by Professors of Psychology and Psychiatry in Ireland. It was found by the Eastern Caribbean Supreme Court that his allocation of shares in International Natural Energy was affirmed by a "clumsy forgery". An ex-follower sued Quinn for "assault and battery; allegedly obtaining money by false pretences; alleged fraudulent misrepresentation, intentional or careless infliction of mental suffering and suborning" in 2010.[41][42][43][44][45][46][47][48][49][50]
• Hogen Fukunaga (b. 1945) founded Ho No Hana Sanpogyo, often called the "foot reading cult", in Japan in 1987 after an alleged spiritual event where he claimed to have realized he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and Gautama Buddha.[51]
• José Luis de Jesús (1946–2013), Puerto Rican founder, leader and organizer of Growing in Grace based in Miami, Florida, who claimed that the resurrected Christ "integrated himself within me" in 2007.[52]
• Inri Cristo (b. 1948), a Brazilian who claims to be the second Jesus reincarnated in 1969.[53] Brasília is considered by Inri Cristo and his disciples as the New Jerusalem of the Apocalypse.
• Thomas Harrison Provenzano[54] (1949–2000), an American convicted murderer who was possibly mentally ill. He compared his execution with Jesus Christ's crucifixion.[55]
• David Icke (b. 1952), English former footballer and sports broadcaster, who said in a 1991 television interview with Terry Wogan that he was "the son of God".[56]
• Hasan Mezarcı (b. 1954) is a former politician and member of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey (1991–1995) who was expelled from the Welfare Party and imprisoned for his extreme view against secularism. He claimed to be Isa after his imprisonment.[57][58][59]
• Shoko Asahara (1955–2018) founded the terrorist Japanese religious group Aum Shinrikyo in 1984. He declared himself Christ, Japan's only fully enlightened master and the Lamb of God. His purported mission was to take upon himself the sins of the world. He outlined a doomsday prophecy, which included a Third World War, and described a final conflict culminating in a nuclear Armageddon, borrowing the term from the Book of Revelation 16:16.[60] Humanity would end, except for the elite few who joined Aum.[60] The group gained international notoriety on 20 March 1995, when it carried out the sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway. He was sentenced to death, and was executed on 6 July 2018.
• David Koresh (1959–1993), born Vernon Wayne Howell, was the leader of a Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas, though never directly claiming to be Jesus himself, proclaimed that he was the final prophet and "the Son of God, the Lamb" in 1983. In 1993, a raid by the U.S. BATF, and the subsequent siege by the FBI ended with Branch Davidian ranch burning to the ground. Koresh, 54 adults and 21 children were found dead after the fire extinguished itself.[61]
• Marina Tsvigun (b. 1960), or Maria Devi Christos, is the leader of the Great White Brotherhood.[62] In 1990 she met Yuri Krivonogov, the Great White Brotherhood founder, who recognized Marina as a new messiah and later married her, assuming in the sect the role of John the Baptist, subordinate to Tsvigun.
• Sergey Torop (b. 1961), a Russian former traffic cop who claims to be "reborn" as Vissarion, Jesus Christ returned, which makes him not "God" but the "Word of God". Also known as "Jesus of Siberia," Torop has an appearance similar to depictions of Jesus. He dresses in all white flowing robes and has long brown hair and a beard. Before claiming to be the Vissarion, Torop worked as a traffic policeman until he was fired in 1990. He founded the Church of the Last Testament and the spiritual community Ecopolis Tiberkul in Southern Siberia in 1990. The Church of the Last Testament has been described as being a mixture of beliefs from the Russian Orthodox Church, Buddhism, apocalypticism, collectivism, and with ecological values. The church currently resides on the largest religious reservation in the world in Siberian Taiga.[63][64]

21st century[edit]

Alan John Miller and Mary Luck (Divine Truth)

David Shayler

• Apollo Quiboloy (b. 1950) is the founder and leader of a Philippines-based Restorationist church, the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, The Name Above Every Name, Inc. He has made claims that he is the "Appointed Son of God".[65]
• Alan John Miller (b. 1962), more commonly known as A.J. Miller, a former Jehovah's Witness Elder and current leader of the Australia-based Divine Truth movement.[66] Miller claims to be Jesus Christ reincarnated with others in the 20th century to spread messages that he calls the "Divine Truth". He delivers these messages in seminars and various forms of media along with his current partner Mary Suzanne Luck, who identifies herself as the returned Mary Magdalene.[67]
• David Shayler (b. 1965) is a former MI5 officer and whistleblower who, in the summer of 2007, proclaimed himself to be the Messiah. He has released a series of videos on YouTube claiming to be Jesus, although he has not built up any noticeable following since his claims.[68][69]
• Maurice Clemmons (1972–2009), an American felon responsible for the 2009 murder of four police officers in Washington state, referred to himself in May 2009 as Jesus.[70]
• Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez (b. 1990). In November 2011, he fired nine shots with a Romanian Cugir SA semi-automatic rifle at the White House in Washington D.C., believing himself to be Jesus Christ sent to kill U.S. President Barack Obama, whom he believed to be the antichrist.[71][72]
• Todd Kincannon (b. 1981), former head of the South Carolina Republican Party, was arrested in 2018 for killing and mutilating his mother's dog. He claimed to police he was the second coming of Jesus Christ and that God had told him to do it, because “every 1,000 years there needs to be a sacrifice and blood must be spilt."[73]
• Gabbie Hanna (b. 1991), an American Internet personality and singer-songwriter, went on a multi-post rant on TikTok in August 2022 claiming to be the second coming of Jesus.[74]
• Ezra Miller (b. 1992), a non-binary American actor who allegedly referred to themself as Jesus, the Devil, and a Messiah to Native Americans[75] and later claimed to be seeking mental help for same.[76]

Did any of these people say that we need to return to keeping The Laws of God, as Jesus and most/all of the other Prophets also said?

P.S. Did you see Imran Hosain's video, about the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus, being validated in the Quran, and hear what he says about people who believe in the so-called "substitution theory" (which is not in the Quran) and what that means, in doing so? If not, you might find it interesting Infinityloop:

Discrepancies between the Bible and the “King of Kings” version

3:41 So, if you don’t get an answer, you are asking the wrong things, and/or in the wrong way, or you are not yet ready for the answer. 3:42 If and when you start to do His Will, He will also provide for you materially, but only if you BELIEVE He will, and then only what you need , to be able to...

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[A Freeman]

How many of these were true, and how many of these were false. @A Freeman @Sojourner @None of you

(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus)



This is a partial list of notable people who have been claimed, either by themselves or by their followers, to be the reincarnation or incarnation of Jesus, or the Second Coming of Christ. Only people who have Wikipedia articles are listed.
17th century[edit]

Portrait of the Welsh prophet, Rhys 'Arise' Evans.

• Rhys Evans, (1607 – c.1660) who later renamed himself 'Arise Evans' was a Welsh prophet who travelled to London to spread his premonitions. He was arrested and imprisoned around 1650 at Newgate Prison for impersonating Christ.[1][2]

18th century[edit]

• Kondratiy Selivanov (c. 1730s–1832), the founder and leader of the Skoptsy sect in the Russian Empire.[3]
• Ann Lee (1736–1784), the founder and leader of the Shakers. Lee's followers referred to her as "Mother", believing that she was the female incarnation of Christ on Earth.[4]

19th century[edit]

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

• John Nichols Thom (1799–1838), a Cornish merchant and politician who claimed to be the "saviour of the world" and the reincarnation of Jesus Christ in 1834. He was killed during a confrontation with government soldiers at the Battle of Bossenden Wood on 31 May 1838 near Hernhill, Kent.[5]
• Arnold Potter (1804–1872), Schismatic Latter Day Saint leader; he claimed the spirit of Jesus Christ entered into his body and he became "Potter Christ" Son of the living God. He died in an attempt to "ascend into heaven" by jumping off a cliff. His body was later retrieved and buried by his followers.[6]
• Bahá'u'lláh (1817–1892), born Shiite, adopted Bábism later in 1844;[7] he claimed to be the prophesied fulfillment and Promised One of major religions including Hinduism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Christianity and Islam. He founded the Baháʼí Faith in 1863.[8] The Baháʼís believe that the fulfillment of the prophecies of the second coming of Jesus, as well as the prophecies of the 5th Buddha Maitreya and many other religious prophecies, were begun by the Báb in 1844 and then by Bahá'u'lláh. They commonly compare the fulfillment of Christian prophecies to Jesus' fulfillment of Jewish prophecies, where in both cases people were expecting the literal fulfillment of apocalyptic statements.[9]
• William W. Davies (1833–1906), leader of a Latter Day Saint schismatic group called the Kingdom of Heaven located in Walla Walla, Washington from 1867 to 1881. He taught his followers that he was the archangel Michael, who had previously lived as the biblical Adam, Abraham, and David. When his son Arthur was born on 11 February 1868, Davies declared that the infant was the reincarnated Jesus Christ.[10][11] When Davies's second son, David, was born in 1869, he was declared to be God the Father.[10]
• Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian, India (1835–1908), claimed to be the awaited Mahdi as well as the Second Coming and likeness of Jesus, the promised Messiah at the end of time. He claimed to be Jesus in the metaphorical sense; in character. He founded the Ahmadiyya Movement in 1889, envisioning it to be the rejuvenation of Islam, and claimed to be commissioned by God for the reformation of humankind.
• Cyrus Teed (1839–1908), American physician, claimed to be the incarnation of Jesus Christ and to have obtained knowledge regarding the Hollow Earth theory, presenting a cosmological model having the Earth as an inverted sphere and the remaining universe located within it.[12]
• Carl Browne (1849–1914), American activist and leader of the Coxey's Army protest movement, claimed to be the partial reincarnation of Jesus.[13]

20th century[edit]

• John Hugh Smyth-Pigott (1852–1927). Around 1890 Smyth-Pigott started leading meetings of the Agapemonite community and recruited 50 young female followers to supplement its aging population. He took Ruth Anne Preece as his second wife and she had three children named Glory, Power and Hallelujah.[14] The house which may have belonged to Smyth-Pigott in St John's Wood was visited by John Betjeman in his film Metro-Land. It is built in the neo-gothic style. It is currently the home of the television presenter Vanessa Feltz and was previously the home of Charles Saatchi.[15] Smyth-Pigott died in 1927 and the sect gradually declined until the last member, sister Ruth, died in 1956.[16] Her funeral in 1956 was the only time when outsiders were admitted to the chapel.[17]

Haile Selassie I

• Haile Selassie I (1892–1975) did not claim to be Jesus and disapproved of claims that he was Jesus, but the Rastafari movement, which emerged in Jamaica during the 1930s, believes he is the Second Coming. He embodied this when he became Emperor of Ethiopia in 1930, perceived as confirmation of the return of the Messiah in the prophetic Book of Revelation 5:5 in the New Testament, who is also expected to return a second time to initiate the apocalyptic day of judgment. He is also called Jah Ras Tafari, and is often considered to be alive by Rastafari movement members.[18]
• Ernest Norman (1904–1971), an American electrical engineer who co-founded the Unarius Academy of Science in 1954, was allegedly Jesus in a past life and his earthly incarnation was as an archangel named Raphael.[19] He claimed to be the reincarnation of other notable figures including Confucius, Mona Lisa, Benjamin Franklin, Socrates, Queen Elizabeth I, and Tsar Peter I the Great.[20]

Krishna Venta

• Krishna Venta (1911–1958), born Francis Herman Pencovic in San Francisco, founded the WKFL (Wisdom, Knowledge, Faith and Love) Fountain of the World cult in Simi Valley, California in the late 1940s. In 1948 he stated that he was Christ, the new messiah and claimed to have led a convoy of rocket ships to Earth from the extinct planet Neophrates. He died on 10 December 1958, after being suicide-bombed by two disgruntled former followers who accused Venta of mishandling cult funds and having been intimate with their wives.
• Jesu Oyingbo (1915–1988), a Nigerian man who proclaimed himself to be Jesus Christ returned.[21][22]
• Ahn Sahng-hong (1918–1985), a South Korean who founded the World Mission Society Church of God in 1964, who recognize him as the Second Coming of Jesus. The World Mission Society Church of God teach that Zahng Gil-jah is "God the Mother", who they explain is referred to in the Bible as the New Jerusalem Mother (Galatians 4:26), and that Ahn Sahng-Hong is God the Father.[23]

Sun Myung Moon

• Sun Myung Moon (1920–2012), believed by members of the Unification Church to be the Messiah and the Second Coming of Christ, fulfilling Jesus' unfinished mission. Church members ("Unificationists") consider Sun Myung Moon and his wife, Hak Ja Han, to be the True Parents of humankind as the restored Adam and Eve.[24][25]
• Anne Hamilton-Byrne (1921–2019) of The Family, born Evelyn Grace Victoria Edwards.
• Jim Jones (1931–1978), founder of Peoples Temple, which started off as an offshoot of a mainstream Protestant sect before becoming a personality cult as time went on. He claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus, Akhenaten, the Buddha, Vladimir Lenin and Father Divine in the 1970s.[26] He organized a mass murder suicide at Jonestown, Guyana on 18 November 1978.[27] He shot himself after the murders were done.
• Marshall Applewhite (1931–1997), an American who posted a Usenet message declaring, "I, Jesus—Son of God—acknowledge on this date of September 25/26, 1995: ..."[28] Applewhite and his Heaven's Gate religious group committed mass suicide on 26 March 1997, to rendezvous with what they thought was a spaceship hiding behind Comet Hale–Bopp.[29]
• Charles Manson (1934–2017), American criminal, cult leader, and songwriter.[30]
• Yahweh ben Yahweh (1935–2007), born as Hulon Mitchell Jr., a black nationalist and separatist who created the Nation of Yahweh in 1979 in Liberty City, Florida. His self-proclaimed name means "God, Son of God". He could have only been deeming himself to be "son of God", not God, but many of his followers clearly deem him to be God Incarnate.[31][32] In 1992, he was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and sentenced to 18 years in prison.[33]
• Laszlo Toth (b. 1938), Hungarian-born Australian who claimed he was Jesus Christ as he vandalized Michelangelo's Pietà with a geologist's hammer in 1972.[34][35]
• Wayne Bent (b. 1941), also known as Michael Travesser of the Lord Our Righteousness Church. He claims: "I am the embodiment of God. I am divinity and humanity combined."[36] He was convicted on 15 December 2008, of one count of criminal sexual contact of a minor and two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor in 2008.[37]
• Ariffin Mohammed (1943–2016), also known as "Ayah Pin", the founder of the banned Sky Kingdom in Malaysia in 1975. He claimed to have direct contact with the heavens and is believed by his followers to have been the incarnation of Jesus, as well as Shiva, and the Buddha, and Muhammad.[38]
• Mitsuo Matayoshi (1944–2018) was a conservative Japanese politician, who in 1997 established the World Economic Community Party based on his conviction that he is God and Christ, renaming himself Iesu Matayoshi. According to his program he will do the Last Judgment as Christ but within the current political system.[39][40]
• Tony Quinn (b. 1944), owned Yoga communes in 1970s Ireland where an orphan girl responsible for younger siblings endured a 40-day water-fast and ceased menstruation. He later created Educo which promoted the Ten percent of the brain myth and was rubbished by Professors of Psychology and Psychiatry in Ireland. It was found by the Eastern Caribbean Supreme Court that his allocation of shares in International Natural Energy was affirmed by a "clumsy forgery". An ex-follower sued Quinn for "assault and battery; allegedly obtaining money by false pretences; alleged fraudulent misrepresentation, intentional or careless infliction of mental suffering and suborning" in 2010.[41][42][43][44][45][46][47][48][49][50]
• Hogen Fukunaga (b. 1945) founded Ho No Hana Sanpogyo, often called the "foot reading cult", in Japan in 1987 after an alleged spiritual event where he claimed to have realized he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and Gautama Buddha.[51]
• José Luis de Jesús (1946–2013), Puerto Rican founder, leader and organizer of Growing in Grace based in Miami, Florida, who claimed that the resurrected Christ "integrated himself within me" in 2007.[52]
• Inri Cristo (b. 1948), a Brazilian who claims to be the second Jesus reincarnated in 1969.[53] Brasília is considered by Inri Cristo and his disciples as the New Jerusalem of the Apocalypse.
• Thomas Harrison Provenzano[54] (1949–2000), an American convicted murderer who was possibly mentally ill. He compared his execution with Jesus Christ's crucifixion.[55]
• David Icke (b. 1952), English former footballer and sports broadcaster, who said in a 1991 television interview with Terry Wogan that he was "the son of God".[56]
• Hasan Mezarcı (b. 1954) is a former politician and member of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey (1991–1995) who was expelled from the Welfare Party and imprisoned for his extreme view against secularism. He claimed to be Isa after his imprisonment.[57][58][59]
• Shoko Asahara (1955–2018) founded the terrorist Japanese religious group Aum Shinrikyo in 1984. He declared himself Christ, Japan's only fully enlightened master and the Lamb of God. His purported mission was to take upon himself the sins of the world. He outlined a doomsday prophecy, which included a Third World War, and described a final conflict culminating in a nuclear Armageddon, borrowing the term from the Book of Revelation 16:16.[60] Humanity would end, except for the elite few who joined Aum.[60] The group gained international notoriety on 20 March 1995, when it carried out the sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway. He was sentenced to death, and was executed on 6 July 2018.
• David Koresh (1959–1993), born Vernon Wayne Howell, was the leader of a Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas, though never directly claiming to be Jesus himself, proclaimed that he was the final prophet and "the Son of God, the Lamb" in 1983. In 1993, a raid by the U.S. BATF, and the subsequent siege by the FBI ended with Branch Davidian ranch burning to the ground. Koresh, 54 adults and 21 children were found dead after the fire extinguished itself.[61]
• Marina Tsvigun (b. 1960), or Maria Devi Christos, is the leader of the Great White Brotherhood.[62] In 1990 she met Yuri Krivonogov, the Great White Brotherhood founder, who recognized Marina as a new messiah and later married her, assuming in the sect the role of John the Baptist, subordinate to Tsvigun.
• Sergey Torop (b. 1961), a Russian former traffic cop who claims to be "reborn" as Vissarion, Jesus Christ returned, which makes him not "God" but the "Word of God". Also known as "Jesus of Siberia," Torop has an appearance similar to depictions of Jesus. He dresses in all white flowing robes and has long brown hair and a beard. Before claiming to be the Vissarion, Torop worked as a traffic policeman until he was fired in 1990. He founded the Church of the Last Testament and the spiritual community Ecopolis Tiberkul in Southern Siberia in 1990. The Church of the Last Testament has been described as being a mixture of beliefs from the Russian Orthodox Church, Buddhism, apocalypticism, collectivism, and with ecological values. The church currently resides on the largest religious reservation in the world in Siberian Taiga.[63][64]

21st century[edit]

Alan John Miller and Mary Luck (Divine Truth)

David Shayler

• Apollo Quiboloy (b. 1950) is the founder and leader of a Philippines-based Restorationist church, the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, The Name Above Every Name, Inc. He has made claims that he is the "Appointed Son of God".[65]
• Alan John Miller (b. 1962), more commonly known as A.J. Miller, a former Jehovah's Witness Elder and current leader of the Australia-based Divine Truth movement.[66] Miller claims to be Jesus Christ reincarnated with others in the 20th century to spread messages that he calls the "Divine Truth". He delivers these messages in seminars and various forms of media along with his current partner Mary Suzanne Luck, who identifies herself as the returned Mary Magdalene.[67]
• David Shayler (b. 1965) is a former MI5 officer and whistleblower who, in the summer of 2007, proclaimed himself to be the Messiah. He has released a series of videos on YouTube claiming to be Jesus, although he has not built up any noticeable following since his claims.[68][69]
• Maurice Clemmons (1972–2009), an American felon responsible for the 2009 murder of four police officers in Washington state, referred to himself in May 2009 as Jesus.[70]
• Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez (b. 1990). In November 2011, he fired nine shots with a Romanian Cugir SA semi-automatic rifle at the White House in Washington D.C., believing himself to be Jesus Christ sent to kill U.S. President Barack Obama, whom he believed to be the antichrist.[71][72]
• Todd Kincannon (b. 1981), former head of the South Carolina Republican Party, was arrested in 2018 for killing and mutilating his mother's dog. He claimed to police he was the second coming of Jesus Christ and that God had told him to do it, because “every 1,000 years there needs to be a sacrifice and blood must be spilt."[73]
• Gabbie Hanna (b. 1991), an American Internet personality and singer-songwriter, went on a multi-post rant on TikTok in August 2022 claiming to be the second coming of Jesus.[74]
• Ezra Miller (b. 1992), a non-binary American actor who allegedly referred to themself as Jesus, the Devil, and a Messiah to Native Americans[75] and later claimed to be seeking mental help for same.[76]

John 5:37-44
5:37 And the Father Himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape.
5:38 And ye have not His Word abiding in you: for whom He hath sent, him ye believe not.
5:39 Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have Eternal Life: and they are they which testify of me.
5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have Life.
5:41 I receive not honour from men.
5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that [cometh] from God only?

The Scriptural Marks of Christ

There seems to be a huge disconnect between popular beliefs concerning Christ's Second Coming and what the Scriptures actually say about it.

gibraltar-messenger.net

John 10:1-21
10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
10:2 But he that entereth in by the door (tells the Truth) is the Shepherd of the sheep.
10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
10:6 This parable spoke Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spoke unto them.
10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have Life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.
10:11 I am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the Shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
10:14 I am the Good Shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known by mine.
10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
10:16 And other sheep I have (the "House of Israel"), which are not of this fold (the "House of Judah"): them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one Shepherd (Eze 37:22 and Genesis 49:10).
10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
10:19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
10:20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
10:21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

May God bless and open the blind spiritual eyes of all those who genuinely seek Him (Jer. 29:13), so that they may recognize His Messenger/Angel/Anointed One, as He is described in Scripture (The Word) and His Spiritual Message of Truth.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Catching up on the above, I couldn’t help but be reminded of watching a particular trial many years ago. Enter OJ. Despite a mountain of evidence against him, the defence concentrated on a glove to somehow indicate innocence.



It stuck in my mind as I felt the prosecution knew they had a devastatingly week case and needed to focus down on minutiae to sway the jury. The lesson of history is often that people fail to learn the lesson of history, but it doesn’t have to be that way.

Lessons learned

- Dishonest folk of all stripes will take passages of the Bible, divorced from context and use them to create a narrative. In interacting with such individuals, you waste time by entering into a spin cycle of lengthy posting on what “pharmacy” or “church” (against the widely recognised meaning) actually relate to.

- Conversely, if someone has to direct readers to a desired interpretation using [specific emphasis], explanatory notes* and rhetoric, they probably don’t want you to simply read the text and related passages to make your mind up.

- Don’t underestimate people’s capacity to be duped. Good people fall for bad ideas every day. Enough jurors were so distracted by the glove pantomime that they lost the big picture.

- Deceivers deserve to be exposed. They are cheating people out of eternal life paid for at incalculable cost on the Cross. The gloves are off.

p.s. On the minutiae - In an interview for the ESPN documentary on the trial, called “O.J.: Made in America,” Simpson's former agent, Mike Gilbert, said Simpson couldn't get the gloves on because he stopped taking arthritis medicine two weeks prior and his hands were swollen as a result.

“God bless the grass” - the truth comes out.

 

[JoChris]

1:4 Angels do not carry harps or have wings, they merely have a melodic sounding type of voice and they can fly.
No bible or quran references there? AJH normally gives some when he makes broad claims RE concepts often mentioned in the bible.

The very simple mentality of the people of the early biblical days; who had never seen anything on Earth flying, unless it had wings; led to the myth about angels.
A slight tone of intellectual snobbery there. "Simple mentality" indeed.

1:5 Lucifer did not declare war and fight with honour, but sneaked around murdering and fought dishonourably (John 8:44 / King of kings’ Bible, John 8:35)...

Whole chapter John 8
KJV John 8:44 [Jesus talking to the Pharisees] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

Side note: following verse 36: If the Son [i.e. JESUS] therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

... as ALL terrorists do.
I found that quite oversimplified. Sadly there are many more ways to terrorise than "only" murder these days. Woke cancelling only needs the internet.

 

[A Freeman]

Lessons learned ???

- Dishonest folk of all stripes will take passages of the Bible, divorced from context and use them to create a narrative. In interacting with such individuals, you waste time by entering into a spin cycle of lengthy posting on what “pharmacy” or “church” (against the widely recognised meaning) actually relate to.

Agreed. Just look what "Christianity" has done with all of its false doctrines and false traditions, that are found nowhere in Scripture.

Christianity teaches:		Christ teaches:
God is allegedly three individual gods that aren't really three gods but one god playing three different roles Father allegedly is one-third of a 3=1 “trinity” god Christ allegedly is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god Jesus allegedly was/is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god The Holy Spirit allegedly is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god Allegedly, The Father = The Son = The Holy Spirit God allegedly has brethren God allegedly has many brethren Christ did away with The Law Keeping God's Law/Commandments allegedly isn't necessary, and deemed to be impossible Anyone who allegedly believes in Jesus has been “saved”, regardless of what they say or do We can allegedly judge ourselves to be “saved” by following what Christianity teaches We should allegedly go to church, because that's what God supposedly wants us to do We should allegedly pray to the 3=1 “trinity” We should allegedly pray by repeating pledges, creeds and doctrines in church, to show others we believe as they do We should supposedly sing a bunch of silly songs together in church to make ourselves feel better We should allegedly be baptized by humans with water “Holy Communion” allegedly is a ritual involving wafers and wine We should allegedly trust in human leaders Priests, pastors, etc. are allegedly closer to God and supposedly work for God We allegedly are humans that have a soul We allegedly get only one human lifetime to get it right or burn for eternity There are allegedly thousands of different ways that lead back home, to heaven We are all allegedly relatively good people, living relatively good lives If we live, what Christianity considers to be a good human life, we allegedly will go to heaven Many “Christians” have allegedly already gone to heaven Many “Christians” will allegedly be “raptured” and thus supposedly will not have to face Judgment on Judgment Day Many devout“Christians” will allegedly go to heaven Allegedly many will be saved		There is One God Father is God Christ is the first-created Son of God Jesus was the human Son of Mary whom Christ incarnated 2000 years ago (aka the "Son of Man") The Holy Spirit is our spiritual connection to/with Father Father is Greater than All, including Christ (and is Christ's God too) God has children (many sons) Christ, the Son of God, has many brethren The Law will NEVER pass away Keeping God's Law/Commandments is absolutely essential and is certainly possible with God's Help Those who truly believe Christ was incarnated inside Jesus will follow His Example and become Christ-like Father has committed all Judgment to Christ, Who will judge everyone one according to their works on the Last Day Only hypocrites and heathens go to church, to be seen by others We should pray to Father We should pray to Father in private, and with thoughts (telepathically) rather than with spoken words We should be learning the “New Song”, which is the perfect harmony of the “Song of Moses” and the “Song of the Lamb” We should be baptized by Christ with “Fire” (the Holy Spirit) Holy Communion is being at One With Father and His Christ We should trust in Father and His Christ Priests, pastors, etc. do not work for God and are leading their followers to their destruction We are spiritual-Beings (Souls) temporarily incarnated inside of a human We have been mercifully given many human lifetimes to learn from God how to be good There is ONE Way home, and that is by following Christ's Example We are all sinners/criminals, i.e. selfish people who do evil things to one another We will all be judged according to whether our works follow Christ's Example No one has ever gone to heaven, except for Christ, Who came from heaven Everyone will have to face Judgment on Judgment Day No “Christian” will go to heaven Only 144,000 will be redeemed from the Earth (all of whom are true Israelites)

It shouldn't be too difficult for any awakened soul to see from the above comparison how the teachings of Christianity are in opposition to Christ's true teachings.


Shouldn't we be following Christ's True Teachings and His Example rather than what Christianity teaches?

And shouldn't it be an easy matter for someone to "see" (if they have the spiritual eyes to do so) that the Greek word "pharmakeia", where the modern day English word "pharmacy" actually originates, does, in fact, mean "pharmacy".

Pharmakeia = Pharmacy



And similarly, shouldn't it be an easy matter for someone to "see" (if they have the spiritual eyes to do so) that the Greek word "ekklesia" means the people called out from (from the world and its worldly institutions, like churches), exactly as is its literal translation? The Greek word “ekklesia” has nothing to do with the word “church”! Every word study and reference available agree that the word “church” does not come from the original Koine Greek word “ekklesia”, but comes from a different, late Greek word, which has a totally different meaning!

Ekklesia = the community of Christ, called out from the world, i.e. the "Elect"



Further, what does God actually COMMAND us with regard to following the evil majority on this planet to pervert His Justice, exactly as "Christianity" does?

Exodus 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to [do] evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to agree falsely with the majority and thereby pervert [judgment]:

Conversely, if someone has to direct readers to a desired interpretation using [specific emphasis], explanatory notes* and rhetoric, they probably don’t want you to simply read the text and related passages to make your mind up.

Do you mean the way "Christians" explain John 1:1-14, somehow means "Jesus is God", when it doesn't actually say that anywhere, nor imply it?

- Don’t underestimate people’s capacity to be duped.

Agreed. Over 2 billion so-called Christians have been duped into believing that 3 = 1 concerning the ONE TRUE GOD, and that less than 2 days and 2 nights is somehow 3 days and 3 nights. Isn't that rock-solid proof that "Christians" have been duped into not believing God or His Christ?

- Deceivers deserve to be exposed. They are cheating people out of eternal life paid for at incalculable cost on the Cross. The gloves are off.

Agreed. No wonder Christ said no "Christian" has ever gone to heaven and that they will all find themselves in The Fire on Judgment Day, having never known Him: The REAL Christ Who, exactly as He prophesied, is here NOW.

 

[JoChris]

Agreed. Just look what "Christianity" has done with all of its false doctrines and false traditions, that are found nowhere in Scripture.

Christianity teaches:		Christ teaches:
God is allegedly three individual gods that aren't really three gods but one god playing three different roles Father allegedly is one-third of a 3=1 “trinity” god Christ allegedly is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god Jesus allegedly was/is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god The Holy Spirit allegedly is one-third of the 3=1 “trinity” god Allegedly, The Father = The Son = The Holy Spirit God allegedly has brethren God allegedly has many brethren Christ did away with The Law Keeping God's Law/Commandments allegedly isn't necessary, and deemed to be impossible Anyone who allegedly believes in Jesus has been “saved”, regardless of what they say or do We can allegedly judge ourselves to be “saved” by following what Christianity teaches We should allegedly go to church, because that's what God supposedly wants us to do We should allegedly pray to the 3=1 “trinity” We should allegedly pray by repeating pledges, creeds and doctrines in church, to show others we believe as they do We should supposedly sing a bunch of silly songs together in church to make ourselves feel better We should allegedly be baptized by humans with water “Holy Communion” allegedly is a ritual involving wafers and wine We should allegedly trust in human leaders Priests, pastors, etc. are allegedly closer to God and supposedly work for God We allegedly are humans that have a soul We allegedly get only one human lifetime to get it right or burn for eternity There are allegedly thousands of different ways that lead back home, to heaven We are all allegedly relatively good people, living relatively good lives If we live, what Christianity considers to be a good human life, we allegedly will go to heaven Many “Christians” have allegedly already gone to heaven Many “Christians” will allegedly be “raptured” and thus supposedly will not have to face Judgment on Judgment Day Many devout“Christians” will allegedly go to heaven Allegedly many will be saved		There is One God Father is God Christ is the first-created Son of God Jesus was the human Son of Mary whom Christ incarnated 2000 years ago (aka the "Son of Man") The Holy Spirit is our spiritual connection to/with Father Father is Greater than All, including Christ (and is Christ's God too) God has children (many sons) Christ, the Son of God, has many brethren The Law will NEVER pass away Keeping God's Law/Commandments is absolutely essential and is certainly possible with God's Help Those who truly believe Christ was incarnated inside Jesus will follow His Example and become Christ-like Father has committed all Judgment to Christ, Who will judge everyone one according to their works on the Last Day Only hypocrites and heathens go to church, to be seen by others We should pray to Father We should pray to Father in private, and with thoughts (telepathically) rather than with spoken words We should be learning the “New Song”, which is the perfect harmony of the “Song of Moses” and the “Song of the Lamb” We should be baptized by Christ with “Fire” (the Holy Spirit) Holy Communion is being at One With Father and His Christ We should trust in Father and His Christ Priests, pastors, etc. do not work for God and are leading their followers to their destruction We are spiritual-Beings (Souls) temporarily incarnated inside of a human We have been mercifully given many human lifetimes to learn from God how to be good There is ONE Way home, and that is by following Christ's Example We are all sinners/criminals, i.e. selfish people who do evil things to one another We will all be judged according to whether our works follow Christ's Example No one has ever gone to heaven, except for Christ, Who came from heaven Everyone will have to face Judgment on Judgment Day No “Christian” will go to heaven Only 144,000 will be redeemed from the Earth (all of whom are true Israelites)

It shouldn't be too difficult for any awakened soul to see from the above comparison how the teachings of Christianity are in opposition to Christ's true teachings.




Shouldn't we be following Christ's True Teachings and His Example rather than what Christianity teaches?

And shouldn't it be an easy matter for someone to "see" (if they have the spiritual eyes to do so) that the Greek word "pharmakeia", where the modern day English word "pharmacy" actually originates, does, in fact, mean "pharmacy".

Pharmakeia = Pharmacy

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And similarly, shouldn't it be an easy matter for someone to "see" (if they have the spiritual eyes to do so) that the Greek word "ekklesia" means the people called out from (from the world and its worldly institutions, like churches), exactly as is its literal translation? The Greek word “ekklesia” as “church”, but “ekklesia” has nothing to do with the word “church”! Every word study and reference available agree that the word “church” does not come from the original Koine Greek word “ekklesia”, but comes from a different, late Greek word, which has a totally different meaning!

Ekklesia = the community of Christ, called out from the world, i.e. the "Elect"

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Further, what does God actually COMMAND us with regard to following the evil majority on this planet to pervert His Justice, exactly as "Christianity" does?

Exodus 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to [do] evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to agree falsely with the majority and thereby pervert [judgment]:

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Do you mean the way "Christians" explain John 1:1-14, somehow means "Jesus is God", when it doesn't actually say that anywhere, nor imply it?


Agreed. Over 2 billion so-called Christians have been duped into believing that 3 = 1 concerning the ONE TRUE GOD, and that less than 2 days and 2 nights is somehow 3 days and 3 nights. Isn't that rock-solid proof that "Christians" have been duped into not believing God or His Christ?



Agreed. No wonder Christ said no "Christian" has ever gone to heaven and that they will all find themselves in The Fire on Judgment Day, having never known Him: The REAL Christ Who, exactly as He prophesied, is here NOW.

This is what you have just done.

Anyone would think you are trying to hide TWHOFTF, the way you refuse to address the individual verses!

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

TWHOFTF
3:84 The Lord sent you here, and He is the only one who knows EXACTLY what each soul has to
learn, on an individual basis, and therefore, He is the ONLY one who can teach you. THAT is why
organized-religions are totally wrong, because they build a wall between you and God, preventing
your direct-contact, and your free thinking and reasoning process. This is exactly what Satan wants,
and that is why he invented organized-religions.

One of the stand out things that must be evident to even someone with high school education is how linguistically inferior the TWHOFTF is compared to most published texts, never mind the Bible.

For example, the use of a hyphen in “organized-religions” and “direct-contact” above shows a lack of understanding of the grammatical purpose of this device.

The electronically published work has the “keyboard warrior” feel, so recognisable from angry, rushed bloggers, and certainly lacks the “master touch” you might reasonably expect from the Lord.

 

[A Freeman]

The amazing irony here is that "Christians" are here discussing (attacking really) the little book that is the key to unlocking Scriptures, which NO ONE EXCEPT FOR PRINCE MICHAEL/CHRIST could write (with Father's Permission, Instruction and Guidance, of course - John 5:20; 5:30).

Here is when and where Prince Michael/Christ sealed the Book/Bible up until the end of time, after revealing its meaning to Daniel:-

Daniel 10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the Scripture of Truth: and [there is] NONE that holdeth with me in these things, EXCEPT Michael your prince (Eno. 67:1; Rev. 5:3; 5; 9 & 12:7).

Daniel 12:1-4
12:1 And at that time shall Michael [the Archangel] (Eno. 20:5; 36:1; 40:8; 58:1; 59:9; 57:1-2; 70:4; Rev. 12:7; Sura 2:98) stand up, the Great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time (Matt. 24:21-22): and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the Book [of Life] (Rev. 13:8; 17:8; 20:15; 21:27; Sura 83:20).
12:2 And many of them that sleep in "the dust of the earth" (Gen. 13:16; 28:14) shall awake, some to Everlasting Life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt.
12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to Righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and "seal" the Book (Rev. 5:1-5), [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and [evil] knowledge (1 Tim. 5:20) shall be increased.

And here is where Prince Michael/Christ breaks the seals, as ONLY Prince Michael/Christ could do:-

Revelation 5
5:1 And I saw in the right hand of Him that sat on the throne a Book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals (seven in God's "Code" means ALL or COMPLETELY).
5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the Book, and to loose the seals thereof?
5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the Book, neither to look thereon.
5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the Book, neither to look thereon.
5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Source of David, hath prevailed to open the Book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

And here is where Prince Michael/Christ prophesied He would write the little book that is the key to unlocking Scriptures, during His Second Coming, right before the end of time (exactly as prophesied):-

Revelation 10:6-10
10:6 And sware by Him that liveth for ever and ever, Who created heaven, and the things that are therein, and the Earth, and the things that are therein, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the Prophets.
10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spoke unto me again, and said, Go [and] take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the "sea" and upon the "earth".
10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take [it], and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth as sweet as honey.
10:10 And I took the little book (white stone ch. 2:17) out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten (digested) it, my belly was bitter.

Anyone who cannot see the Love and Beauty of returning True Believers to spiritual converse with our Creator, and magnifying The Law that God gave us to protect us from evil and to set and keep us free, exactly as the REAL Prince Michael/Christ is prophesied to do during these end-times when He is here again in a new body (Gen. 49:10; 22-24) with a NEW NAME (JAH - Ps. 68:4; Mal. 4; Rev. 2:17; 3:12; 19:12), is already so far into Satan's grip that there is no hope.

No wonder Prince Michael/Christ prophesied that these days would be just like the days of Noah, where everyone mocked Noah, calling him crazy, before all of the mockers died in the flood. The only difference is this time it won't be water destroying only the human bodies; it will be The Fire, in a fate worse than death for the body AND souls who still find pleasure in unrighteousness after everything God, His Prophets and His Christ have done to deliver the Truth.

May God bless and open the blind spiritual eyes of all those who genuinely seek Him (Jer. 29:13), so that they may recognize His Messenger/Angel/Anointed One, as He is described in Scripture (The Word) and His Spiritual Message of Truth.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@JoChris - Mark Twain once cuttingly described the Book of Mormon as “Chloroform in print”

“Beef trifle” is the closest I can get to Mr Twain’s genius right now, but if I hit on a better description of AJH’s work, I will let you know!!