Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible

[A Freeman]

John 1:1 doesn't say that Jesus is the word.

Correct.

Why then do "Christians" deceitfully read that into it, even though it doesn't say that? Is it not to try to make their totally unscriptural Babylonian/Roman "trinity" work? Why does "Christianity" have such a difficult time counting even to one? Doesn't ONE MEAN ONE?

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The "I AM" our God [is] ONE God (Whose Name is "I AM" - Exodus 3:14):

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord:

Sura 2:163. And your God is ONE God. There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

It says that the Word is God.

No, it does NOT say that. It says that the Word WAS God (past tense).

John 1:1-2 (KJV)
1:1 In the beginning WAS the Word, and the Word WAS WITH God, and the Word WAS God.
1:2 The same WAS in the beginning WITH God.

Note: How could God be with Himself? And, if the Holy Spirit is a third person making up this 3=1 god that the trinitarian formula specifies, then where is the trinitarian "Holy Spirit" character in John 1:1?

John 1:14 says that Jesus is the Word..

No, it doesn't say that anymore than John 1:1 says that. Here is what John 1:14 actually says (KJV again):-

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So all we know from Scripture is that in the beginning was the WORD, and that the WORD was with God and that the WORD Was God, and that the WORD was made flesh. NOWHERE in those verses does it say "Jesus", nor does it say "Jesus is the Word".

Here is what a word is, by definition:

word: a single unit of language that has meaning and can be spoken or written:

word

1. a single unit of language that has meaning and can be spoken or written: 2…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Obviously the Word OF God is Truth, because God does NOT lie (Num. 23:19)? How many books of the Bible (or verses in them) begin with "the Word of God came to..."?

Why then do "Christians" pretend that ANY of those verses allegedly say "Jesus is God", when Jesus isn't mentioned by name anywhere in those verses, nor does John 1 tell us anywhere that Jesus is (or was) God?

Also, what we know from Scripture, is that Jesus was born (brought into existence) to the virgin Mary, so Jesus could not possibly have existed "in the beginning" AND somehow have been born to the virgin Mary in Bethlehem of Judea, located here on planet Earth.

Prince Michael/Christ, WHO IS NOT OF THIS WORLD, and is the firstborn/eldest Son of God was there in the beginning, being the very first creature that God made.

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among MANY brethren.

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

God MADE Christ. Then God, through and with Christ, made everyone and everything else. THAT is what the Scriptures ACTUALLY say, when someone doesn't read into them things that are not there.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

1 Corinthians 15:22-28
15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
15:24 Then [cometh] The End, when he shall have delivered up The Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
15:25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under his feet.
15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.
15:27 For He hath put all things under his feet. But when He saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that He is excepted, which did put all things under him.
15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

There are literally hundreds of verses that very plainly tell us that Christ is a CREATED Being that God (Father) MADE. John 1:1-14 certainly isn't telling us anything different, regardless of what "Christians" wish to read into it (or write into it).

"And the Word (God, John 1:1) became flesh and dwelt among us. And we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

The Bible is the Word of God, is it not? Do you refer to the Bible too as God?

Isn't it because you are so desperate to get John 1:1 to contradict the rest of Scripture that you deceitfully add your parenthetical (God, John 1:1), when it doesn't say that?

Very crafty and subtle method of lying you employ there.

As above please. You are actually calling both God and Christ liars, by pretending that God didn't tell us He could NEVER be a man (human/flesh) and that Christ didn't repeatedly tell us that His Father and His God IS God, and that He was sent here by God to deliver God's Message of Truth (God's Word) to mankind.

 

[The Sojourner]

Extremely similar. Mormons also can confess all the key notes of the gospel, without telling you that they have all kinds of accessory views from a different book Iike in Freeman’s case.

I pointed out in the other thread and Freeman tried to bury it under walls of copy and paste text that the god from has book, who is a man who lives on Venus, saw Earth as a fully formed planet but without life, and sent luciferic spirits from Venus to Earth, and that was how life arose. In contrast the Bible states that God formed the Earth with all its creatures and it was good. It didn’t say that all beings here are luciferic either, only that the serpent was the most subtle or crafty creature. Before the fall Adam and Eve even could see God (the preincarnate Logos) walking in the garden.

Another anti-biblical lie of TWHOFTF is that Jesus was the angel michael. The bible says that Jesus was not an angel (Hebrews 1) and that He was The word of God, which WAS God. John 1.

Paul says this verse is about Jesus Christ-
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same.

So not an angel or a created being. Jesus was with The Father before anything was created (John 17)

Revelation
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the Earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).

That means ALL of the angels, who fought with Lucifer against Michael, are here, on earth. All of them.
Just go anywhere and have a look around. See them? They are everywhere. Also, there is one in the mirror.

Luke
9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw [this], they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elijah did?
9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what kind of spirit ye are of (Rev. 12:7-9; Matt. 8:22).

Jesus said to the disciples that they did not know what kind of spirit they were of (even at that point).
They still had to learn what this meant.
Jesus also said to them:

John
16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Truth, can indeed be hard to bear (and accept).
But, we are here in the end times now, so, souls should be ready to be able to receive the Truth, now.
If anyone thinks that this world is not full of evil people (fallen angels/souls) then they need to open their eyes and look harder.
The Bible also has said for a long time, that there are NO good people, here on Earth.

Think about it.. it explains (finally) just why, there is so much bad (evil) in the world. Does it not?
Think about what Jesus said to the disciples.

 

[lightseeker]

NOWHERE in those verses does it say "Jesus", nor does it say "Jesus is the Word".

Lol that really is top notch comedy. So the Word which was God was made flesh but it wasn't Jesus. Beyond hilarious, the lengths a culty will go.

The word in the biblical sense isn't a single unit of speech because the word is the logos

logos — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

All the words

www.wordnik.com

The word was God and the Word was made flesh, cope with it culty

 

[lightseeker]

Think about it.. it explains (finally) just why, there is so much bad (evil) in the world. Does it not?

Because of the fall, which happened on earth, not because of the science fiction about God living on Venus and sending luciferic spirits here.

But, we are here in the end times now, so, souls should be ready to be able to receive the Truth, now.

Ah did someone tell you we are in the end times? Because Jesus said "do not be deceived, many will come saying I am Christ, the time is nigh, and will deceive many. Go not after them." There's a fellow named Anthony John Hill who tells people these words. Heard of him?

 

[Lizard King]

I have heard JAH Truth before. Man takes lots of LSD decides to start a cult proclaiming Star Wars movies were written by God. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Next thing he buys big property in Oregon and creates his own city. Suckers buy him a new Rolls Royce and we are subjected to a tell all documentary on Netflix in 2024 .

 

[A Freeman]

Lol that really is top notch comedy. So the Word which was God was made flesh but it wasn't Jesus. Beyond hilarious, the lengths a culty will go.

The word in the biblical sense isn't a single unit of speech because the word is the logos

logos — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

All the words

www.wordnik.com

The word was God and the Word was made flesh, cope with it culty

You lied about what the Scriptures actually say, and when you were called out for it you laughed about it and resorted to name-calling.

What's the matter with you?

Jesus WAS a flesh and blood human, born to the virgin Mary, in Bethlehem of Judea. How could flesh be made flesh? It's understood you will likely evade this question too, as you usually do. Just like your lie about TWHOFTF allegedly claiming God lives on Venus, when God is Omnipresent..

Have the courage to face the truth. 3 can NEVER equal 1, nor can a father ever be his own son, or vice-versa. That is the nonsense you are attempting to promote, while calling both God and Christ liars, which is not only extremely foolish, but a sure-fire recipe for finding yourself in The Fire on Judgement Day.

Peace be upon you.

 

[lightseeker]

You lied about what the Scriptures actually say, and when you were called out for it you laughed about it and resorted to name-calling.

What's the matter with you?

Jesus WAS a flesh and blood human, born to the virgin Mary, in Bethlehem of Judea. How could flesh be made flesh? It's understood you will likely evade this question too, as you usually do. Just like your lie about TWHOFTF allegedly claiming God lives on Venus, when God is Omnipresent..

Have the courage to face the truth. 3 can NEVER equal 1, nor can a father ever be his own son, or vice-versa. That is the nonsense you are attempting to promote, while calling both God and Christ liars, which is not only extremely foolish, but a sure-fire recipe for finding yourself in The Fire on Judgement Day.

Peace be upon you.

Thank you for the heartfelt and sincere wishes of peace. I didn't misquote anything as you know. Here is it again

"The word was God....And the Word became flesh." The elipses signifies a part of the text that you can go read. Those are the exact words in every Bible. Jesus was the Word made flesh, the Word was God.

Here's another thing Ajh gets wrong
"Col. 1:16 For by him (Christ) all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and
invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were
created through him and for him"
Christ created thrones and dominions in the heavens. As you likely don't know, the heavenly hierarchy he is referring to is in this order.
1.Seraphim
2.Cherubim
3.Thrones
4.Kyriotetes
5.Dominions (authorities)
6.Exusiai (rulers)
7.Archai
8.Archangels (Michael)
9.Angels

Michael is an archangel, the 8th order of angels, so of course he didn't create the thrones and dominions, which are orders above him in the heavenly hierarchy. Michael was not Christ, Christ is the Word of God who was with God and was God in the beginning, before the seraphim were created, never mind the measly Archangels

 

[JoChris]

@JoChris -

I find it interesting how the Mormon apologetic approach is alarmingly similar (though with a different ultimate message) to that promoted by @A Freeman

That young man sounded like he was programmed in his responses.
All pseudo-Christian cults say they believe in the bible, but when they are put on the spot they show they truly believe in the words of their religion instead. If anything in the bible contradicts their religion, that is allegedly untrue or it is automatically dismissed.

 

[The Sojourner]

Because of the fall, which happened on earth, not because of the science fiction about God living on Venus and sending luciferic spirits here.

Did you ever wonder, why Adam and Eve were tested right away?
If they were "good" or "innocent", then why was that immediate testing, necessary?

Matthew
7:11 If ye then, being EVIL, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask Him?

If people were really good, as everyone likes to tell themselves, then there would not have been anyone here on this forum, argueing against and fussing about keeping The Law.

The Law is holy, just and good. So keeping it, would be TOTALLY NATURAL, for truly "good" (i.e. Godly, God loving and God fearing) people.

Instead, we have the opposite of that and then on top of it, we have people telling themselves that they, or others they know, are actually "good" people.However, in doing so, that is really denying Christ with their words, because they are saying that they are right, and that Christ was/is wrong.

It would be funny... if it wasn't so sad, arrogant, and SERIOUS.

Christ told us all, that there are NO GOOD PEOPLE here. Not one single good person. Makes sense... on a PRISON planet.

Luke
18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? none [is] good, save one, [that is], God.
18:20 Thou knowest the COMMANDments, Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

The fall from the Garden of Eden, was for the second time. Proving, that Adam and Eve had not yet truly learned their lesson. Because if they had, they would have already known the truth and would not have fallen.

But that's not what "Christians" in the churches teach, because it would surely not attract many followers.
They don't even teach that we need to keep the Commandments of God, like Christ taught and the apostles repeated.
Instead, they make every effort to teach that you really, don't have to.
People hate The Law, because their deeds are (just like them) EVIL, and The Law shows it to them in black and white.
But if you cannot admit that, even to yourself, then, you lack humility.
And you are not able to be truthful, even to yourself.

 

[JoChris]

Another anti-biblical lie of TWHOFTF is that Jesus was the angel michael. The bible says that Jesus was not an angel (Hebrews 1) and that He was The word of God, which WAS God. John 1.

Paul says this verse is about Jesus Christ-
“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment.
12 You will roll them up like a robe;
like a garment they will be changed.
But you remain the same.

So not an angel or a created being. Jesus was with The Father before anything was created (John 17)

AJH's claim that Jesus is the angel Michael is shared by Jehovah's Witnesses as well. Is Michael the archangel really Jesus... CARM.org

 

[JoChris]

John 1:1 doesn't say that Jesus is the word. It says that the Word is God. John 1:14 says that Jesus is the Word..
"And the Word (God, John 1:1) became flesh and dwelt among us. And we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."
Very crafty and subtle method of lying you employ there.

If you have any type of Christian apologetics bookmark folder, this is a great one to keep.

Scripture twisting methods of the cults - Apologetics Index

The Christian apologist Chris Rosebrough says that the first rule of biblical interpretation is "context, context, CONTEXT".

Anthony John Hill deliberately misquotes verses ALL the time; that is almost as misleading as his deliberate PERversion of the bible/ quran.

 

[JoChris]

Further, here is what The Way home or face The Fire by JAH actually says about The One True GOD and Father of our Lord Christ, the Saviour (1 Pet. 5:13):-

1:1 Thousands of Earth years ago, far away, in THIS galaxy, on the Morning Star (Rev. 2:28), the Lord Guardian Of Divinity, King (Malachi 1:14), Ruler and Guardian of the Universe (Sura 23:86), put down a revolution led by Lucifer (Iblis)(Rev. 12:7-9).

So God is The Ruler and Guardian of the UNIVERSE which, of course, means that He is Ruler over both Earth and Venus, since both planets are part of the UNIVERSE.

So much for the lies and false accusations. It likely won't keep those who take pleasure in telling lies from repeating them again, or shame them into repentance for their wrong-doing, but it does expose them for who and what they really are.

And here is what Christ said about Venus, aka "The Morning Star":-

Revelation 2:26-28
2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
2:28 And I will give him the Morning Star.

It's sad that when someone is drunk from the "wine of fornication" (and thus mad/insane) that they apparently are unable to count to 3, or to comprehend that 1 does NOT equal 3, nor does 2 equal 3, etc. And sadder yet, someone who is so drunk they cannot even count to three feels they are in a position to judge others, instead of sobering up and removing the log from their own eye, which prevents them from overcoming their own arrogance/ignorance.

You totally ignored the specifics that are unique to JAHtruth in my entry. https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/comparison-of-jahtruths-the-way-home-or-face-the-fire-to-the-bible.10878/#post-551588
There is nothing to suggest in the bible that God of Genesis 1:1 is the God of TWHOFTF.
Another thing to point out:
If 1:1 is to be believed, the galaxy, the Morning Star, God and Lucifer were already pre-existing.
Where did they come from then?

 

[JoChris]

Did you ever wonder, why Adam and Eve were tested right away?
If they were "good" or "innocent", then why was that immediate testing, necessary?
Have you thought about it and asked Father?...

Matthew
7:11 If ye then, being EVIL, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask Him?

If people were really good, as everyone likes to tell themselves, then there would not have been anyone here on this forum, argueing against and fussing about keeping The Law.

The Law is holy, just and good. So keeping it, would be TOTALLY NATURAL, for truly "good" (i.e. Godly, God loving and God fearing) people.

Instead, we have the opposite of that and then on top of it, we have people telling themselves that that or others they know are "good" people.
Thereby, denying Christ with their words, because in doing so, they (like most professing to be Christians do) are saying that they are right, and that Christ was/is wrong.

It would be funny... if it wasn't so sad, and SERIOUS.

("I never knew you, depart from me...")

Christ told us all, that there are NO GOOD PEOPLE here. Not one single good person. Makes sense... on a PRISON planet.

Luke
18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? none [is] good, save one, [that is], God.
18:20 Thou knowest the COMMANDments, Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

The fall from the Garden of Eden, was for the second time. Proving, that Adam and Eve had not yet truly learned their lesson. Because if they had, they would not have fallen.

But that's not what "Christians" in the churches teach, because it would surely not attract many followers.
They don't even teach that we need to keep the Commandments of God, like Christ taught and the apostles repeated.
Instead, they make every effort to teach that you really, don't have to.
Because people hate The Law since their deeds are (just like them) EVIL.
But if you cannot admit that, even to yourself, then, you lack humility.
And you are not able to be truthful, even to yourself.

Are you going to comment on the e-book being discussed or are you just going to give A Freeman moral support?

 

[lightseeker]

Did you ever wonder, why Adam and Eve were tested right away?
If they were "good" or "innocent", then why was that immediate testing, necessary?
Have you thought about it and asked Father?...

Matthew
7:11 If ye then, being EVIL, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask Him?

If people were really good, as everyone likes to tell themselves, then there would not have been anyone here on this forum, argueing against and fussing about keeping The Law.

The Law is holy, just and good. So keeping it, would be TOTALLY NATURAL, for truly "good" (i.e. Godly, God loving and God fearing) people.

Instead, we have the opposite of that and then on top of it, we have people telling themselves that that or others they know are "good" people.
Thereby, denying Christ with their words, because in doing so, they (like most professing to be Christians do) are saying that they are right, and that Christ was/is wrong.

It would be funny... if it wasn't so sad, and SERIOUS.

("I never knew you, depart from me...")

Christ told us all, that there are NO GOOD PEOPLE here. Not one single good person. Makes sense... on a PRISON planet.

Luke
18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? none [is] good, save one, [that is], God.
18:20 Thou knowest the COMMANDments, Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

The fall from the Garden of Eden, was for the second time. Proving, that Adam and Eve had not yet truly learned their lesson. Because if they had, they would not have fallen.

But that's not what "Christians" in the churches teach, because it would surely not attract many followers.
They don't even teach that we need to keep the Commandments of God, like Christ taught and the apostles repeated.
Instead, they make every effort to teach that you really, don't have to.
Because people hate The Law since their deeds are (just like them) EVIL.
But if you cannot admit that, even to yourself, then, you lack humility.
And you are not able to be truthful, even to yourself.

All those quotes are in the context of being said after the fall. When God created the earth with man, he said it was Good.

In contrast, TWHOFTT would say that they were evil, along with everything on earth because earth was lifeless before being populated with luciferic spirits taken hostage by Mr.god on Venus. They are complete polar opposites

 

[The Sojourner]

Are you going to comment on the e-book being discussed or are you just going to give A Freeman moral support?

So, are you not going to acknowledge the fact that Imran Hosein, who is a well known SCHOLAR, agrees with what it says in the King of kings' Bible, and in the e-book that is being discussed?
You often have said that people should pay attention to what SCHOLARS have to say, haven't you?
And now, you have one saying to you that they hold the same position as what it says in the e-book, The Way home or face The Fire.
But since this is not what you expected or wanted to hear from a well known SCHOLAR, suddenly you are not interested.
It is a comment about the e-book being discussed, as what Imran Hosein says, is discussed in detail in said e-book.

 

[JoChris]

This was the most mainstream one so far.

1:3 Lucifer; now known here on Earth as Satan (the Opposer) the Devil (the Liar/Slanderer)(RED dragon/serpent - Rev. 12:3, 9) from which the word D/evil is derived;

devil (n.) https://www.etymonline.com/word/devil
Old English deofol "a devil, a subordinate evil spirit afflicting humans;" also, in Christian theology, "the Devil, a powerful spirit of evil otherwise known as Satan," from Late Latin diabolus (also the source of Italian diavolo, French diable, Spanish diablo; German Teufel is Old High German tiufal, from Latin via Gothic diabaulus).....

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because of his selfish and arrogant nature, wanted to over-throw the Lord and to take His place, so that he could rule, and inflict his own selfish opinion and evil desires on the heavens.

and that is in agreement with the usual interpretations of Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:11-19.

He encouraged and misled many of the other inhabitants of the Morning Star; whom people on Earth know by the name Angels; to join him and he then started a war, against God (Rev. 12:7 & Isaiah 14:13-14).

And that is also in agreement with Revelation 12:7-10 and Isaiah chapter 14.

 

[JoChris]

So, are you not going to acknowledge the fact that Imran Hosein, who is a well known SCHOLAR, agrees with what it says in the King of kings' Bible, and in the e-book that is being discussed?
You often have said that people should pay attention to what SCHOLARS have to say, haven't you?
And now, you have one saying to you that they hold the same position as what it says in the e-book, The Way home or face The Fire.
But since this is not what you expected or wanted to hear from a well known SCHOLAR, suddenly you are not interested.
It is a comment about the e-book being discussed, as what Imran Hosein says, is discussed in detail in said e-book.

Imrah Hosein was not mentioned by anyone in this thread until this entry of yours. Is this the man? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_N._Hosein

You should have pointed out he is an Islamic scholar. Knowing a person's background is most hopeful.

A bible-believing Muslim is an oxymoron.

 

[The Sojourner]

All those quotes are in the context of being said after the fall. When God created the earth with man, he said it was Good.

In contrast, TWHOFTT would say that they were evil, along with everything on earth because earth was lifeless before being populated with luciferic spirits taken hostage by Mr.god on Venus. They are complete polar opposites

Correct, because the first fall, was the fall from Heaven.

When God created the earth with man, and put us in it, He said it was good, because it is. Everything He creates is of course going to be good, because it comes from Him.

TWHOFTF does not say that the earth is evil, or that the animals that were created on it are evil. The animals were created with natural instincts that help to ensure their survival. It talks about the animals in TWHOFTF, and that they are not evil, and don't know any better, than to follow their natural instincts.

But, if you believe in the reality of the soul, then you know that the soul is not an animal, meaning that we are not animals, or "only human" (humans are mammals - and therefore are animals). Saying we are "only human" is a lie, because we are human beings. Human+beings (Human animal + the soul).

God created the earth environment along with animal and plant life in order to function as a training school. He gave us the Bible (The Law, The Prophets and The Gospels and the Koran/Quran) to be our training manual, recording and teaching the lessons that we all have to learn here, in school. The earth is a school.

Since God (Who is Love, Light, Good and Truth) has created it, of course, it is good. It's not the earth that is evil, it is the souls that were sent to inhabit the earth, that are evil, and need to re-learn what it means to be good (Godly), as Christ said to His disciples (i.e. students).

 

[The Sojourner]

Imrah Hosein was not mentioned by anyone in this thread until this entry of yours. Is this the man? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_N._Hosein

You should have pointed out he is an Islamic scholar. Knowing a person's background is most hopeful.

A bible-believing Muslim is an oxymoron.

Yes, that is him. The word Muslim, means one who submits him or herself, to the Will of God. So it just means, someone who is a Believer.

A real Muslim, would absolutely be a Bible-Believer, because the Koran/Quran commands that it (the Bible) must be believed. It does so, in many places.

So, it is not an oxymoron.

 

[JoChris]

Yes, that is him. The word Muslim, means one who submits him or herself, to the Will of God. So it just means, someone who is a Believer.

A real Muslim, would absolutely be a Bible-Believer, because the Koran/Quran commands that it (the Bible) must be believed. It does so, in many places.

So, it is not an oxymoron.

How Muslims and Christians read the bible should be left to another thread. TWHOFTF - and anything related to the book itself - is what is being discussed here.
Are you reading it along with us as well?
What is your opinion on those first three verses?