I understand that bts are not actual brothers and the Jonas brothers are. I do not condone incest, my point was just that. While the kpop companys promote members as brothers, then turn around and make them do skinship and other borderline sexual things to eachother to try and normalize it. I know you dont agree with a lot of what it talked about on this forums and you take things as face valueI’m sorry but do you not understand? BTS may be marketed as a close brotherhood but the Jonas Brothers are actual brothers? In what world would skinship between them be acceptable? That would be incestuous! Transgenderism isn’t acceptable to you but incest would be?
I live in the West - the U.K.to be more precise! I can tell you that Harry Styles’ relationship with Caroline Flack was not well received. Yes, he was above the age of sexual consent which is 16, but he fell into the grey area between sexual consent and adulthood. He was 17 and she was 14 years older than him. Lots of people thought that was wrong. I don’t really have an opinion either way about it and don’t want to drag it all up, given as the female celebrity involved recently committed suicide. Don’t be mistaken however, that people in the west found it acceptable.
As regards the Jonas brothers and their purity rings. They have quite openly talked about the fact that wearing them was part of a trend at the time. They came from religious backgrounds and at the time they wore them, they truly believed they would wait for the right time to have sex. As they got older and started dating, they realised that was no longer how they felt, so they removed the rings. That is their choice and their right. They said to continue wearing them was a lie because it wasn’t who they were anymore.
You're absolutely right that Kpop idols can be as guilty of those things as anyone else! I have always said that.Dont waste your time my friend, we all know that other user
Always turning a blind eye everytime someone post proof about kpop idols criminal behavior
Drunk driving, prostitution, adiction to heroin. You name it!!! and you will find kpop idols guilty of it
take a look at Big Bang....with one of the members even involved on a prostitution ring....that's enough evidence to show kpop is not innocent at all. The image idols show is fake and forced.
But behind the scenes they are not clean.....the story has been confirmed a million times with all the illegal scandals involving these people. After the kpop groups lose popularity they get exposed, and thats the reality of it
Those who want to remain blind and living in the "kpop unicorn world" can stay that way.
it's not our problem and they already made their decision.
Disney promote their stars as clean because they are a) marketing them towards children and b) the stars are very young themselves?Lol you love to argue.
You know nothing about me to assume I don't know how different the cultures are. In fact, my culture is similar to theirs.
Yes, Disney stars and Jonas Brothers start of squeaky clean and break away from that after, who denied that?
I really don't understand why you're going on about this...Disney/teenage boy groups are marketed as wholesome that's not even a secret. Them breaking away from it is a different story. Kpop groups are also marketed as wholesome (also not a secret) but it's done on a whole new level. Culture plays a very small role, as you've read on the site many things kpop idols do go against their culture. I know you believe the wholesomeness in entertainment is all real so I won't bother anymore.
Anyway, keep believing the media and the lies they feed you.
Yes, we can agree to disagree. Of course, we can. You are entitled to your opinion.I understand that bts are not actual brothers and the Jonas brothers are. I do not condone incest, my point was just that. While the kpop companys promote members as brothers, then turn around and make them do skinship and other borderline sexual things to eachother to try and normalize it. I know you dont agree with a lot of what it talked about on this forums and you take things as face value
ie: if lisa says she is a woman-then I believe she is a woman, no need to speculate further-
But you have to see my point on how the shipping material that the companys make idols do is wrong. Not just a culture difference, if we have everyday citizens say that they do not touch other males the same way idols do.
This is an example that would be taken as something else in western cultures.
Can we come to a agree to disagree or something.? You have to at least see my points even if you don't agree with them
Why would it weird you out any more than any other ship?One ship that weirds me out is NCT 127's Yuta and Mark. I'm not sure why but it doesnt sit right with me.
They all bother me, the type of attachment yuta has to mark just rubs me the wrong way. Almost like an abuse victim/mentally ill person clinging to a person. But i do remember there being evidence or something of Yuta not mentally sound so *shrug*. Taeyeon from GG reminds me of that too. But they do belong to SM and we all see how much SM "cares" about mental health.Why would it weird you out any more than any other ship?
The reason people ship them is because they are very good friends. They have both spoken about it. Yuta has a very playful nature and I’m guessing he plays up to it a little. He tends to become very attached to individual members. It’s probably just the way he is. He has said that Mark understands how lonely he becomes living apart from his family and that’s why they get on well.
Mark seems uncomfortable with shipping in general. I saw a vid where someone (sorry I can't remember his name) kept trying to kiss Mark and Mark was screaming and dodging him. It's probably coz he's from America and not into boys being touchy with him. It'll be interesting to see if they change him.One ship that weirds me out is NCT 127's Yuta and Mark. I'm not sure why but it doesnt sit right with me.
He seems to be somewhat ok with Yuta being clingy/overly touchy although he does do the nervous laugh a little.Mark seems uncomfortable with shipping in general. I saw a vid where someone (sorry I can't remember his name) kept trying to kiss Mark and Mark was screaming and dodging him. It's probably coz he's from America and not into boys being touchy with him. It'll be interesting to see if they change him.
You are right. Mark does seem uncomfortable with it usually. However, he doesn’t seem as bothered about Yuta because I think they have a very close friendship. He is also very close with Jungwoo.Mark seems uncomfortable with shipping in general. I saw a vid where someone (sorry I can't remember his name) kept trying to kiss Mark and Mark was screaming and dodging him. It's probably coz he's from America and not into boys being touchy with him. It'll be interesting to see if they change him.
Yeah, he has to be, it's part of his job and he's surrounded by boys who are trying to touch him...Sounds wrong but that's what's happening. Naturally, even if you're not into it, you'd gravitate to the ones you're least uncomfortable with and soon you'll get used to it. They've been practising outside of what we see so we don't really know exactly what's going on...Maybe he knows Yuta won't take it too far. I do feel bad for him because he clearly doesn't like it. He probably didn't know acting gay was part of kpop and now he has no choice but to go along with it.He seems to be somewhat ok with Yuta being clingy/overly touchy although he does do the nervous laugh a little.
Wow, you’ve got some very extreme views. So, let’s just double check what you’re saying. Mark has to be okay with Yuta touching him because he is surrounded by gay boys who spend their time running around trying to touch each other. What kind of boys do you know? Do all the straight boys you know run around trying to touch girls? Just because someone is gay doesn’t make them a sexual predator.Yeah, he has to be, it's part of his job and he's surrounded by boys who are trying to touch him...Sounds wrong but that's what's happening. Naturally, even if you're not into it, you'd gravitate to the ones you're least uncomfortable with and soon you'll get used to it. They've been practising outside of what we see so we don't really know exactly what's going on...Maybe he knows Yuta won't take it too far. I do feel bad for him because he clearly doesn't like it. He probably didn't know acting gay was part of kpop and now he has no choice but to go along with it.
OmgWow, you’ve got some very extreme views. So, let’s just double check what you’re saying. Mark has to be okay with Yuta touching him because he is surrounded by gay boys who spend their time running around trying to touch each other. What kind of boys do you know? Do all the straight boys you know run around trying to touch girls? Just because someone is gay doesn’t make them a sexual predator.
Yuta is one of the most masculine guys in NCT. The other members describe him as very pure minded and kind. He has sisters and I’ve seen several interviews where he is quite outspoken on gender equality and judging girls on their looks etc.
He has said Mark is his best friend and he has said how deeply he feels about him. There really is nothing wrong with that. Hugging a friend does not make you gay. Yes, he is quite clingy with him but he says that Mark understands how much he misses his family because he misses his too. Mark actually seems really comfortable right Yuta but he does with Johnny and a few others too.
Stop making things sexual, which aren’t!
Sweetie, its called irony. I was making fun of what you said which was rather childish and unfair if me because we are obviously not on a level playing field.Omg
You're doube checking what I said by coming up with a story of your own? Wtf?!?!? I said boys go around touching girls and boys who are gay are predators? That’s what YOUR thinking process is like. That’s what YOU took from my reply.
That's not what I said. You've really got some sort of issue where you can't put things together. You're twisting and assuming things once again and I'm not going to constantly explain myself to you.
I don't want to talk to you so stop replying to me!
I feel bad for all the ships that are male/male or female/female. I get why the ships are there and why companies try hard to have the same sex ships but you gotta feel bad for them a little.Their fans and their companies' agenda are horrible. From companies trying to make fans seem like they could possibly be with them (i mean the fan technically could) and sasaengs stalking them/being obsessed with them. I just dont feel like i would want to be a kpop idol tbh, or even potentially date/marry one.Yeah, he has to be, it's part of his job and he's surrounded by boys who are trying to touch him...Sounds wrong but that's what's happening. Naturally, even if you're not into it, you'd gravitate to the ones you're least uncomfortable with and soon you'll get used to it. They've been practising outside of what we see so we don't really know exactly what's going on...Maybe he knows Yuta won't take it too far. I do feel bad for him because he clearly doesn't like it. He probably didn't know acting gay was part of kpop and now he has no choice but to go along with it.
Yeah none of the guys in NCT nor most in kpop are particularly masculine. Believing in gender equality =/=! masculinity, clothes =/=! masculinity, social media mannerisms and personality =/=! masculinity. TBH, I dont think anyone really considered what he said as sexual but you.Wow, you’ve got some very extreme views. So, let’s just double check what you’re saying. Mark has to be okay with Yuta touching him because he is surrounded by gay boys who spend their time running around trying to touch each other. What kind of boys do you know? Do all the straight boys you know run around trying to touch girls? Just because someone is gay doesn’t make them a sexual predator.
Yuta is one of the most masculine guys in NCT. The other members describe him as very pure minded and kind. He has sisters and I’ve seen several interviews where he is quite outspoken on gender equality and judging girls on their looks etc.
He has said Mark is his best friend and he has said how deeply he feels about him. There really is nothing wrong with that. Hugging a friend does not make you gay. Yes, he is quite clingy with him but he says that Mark understands how much he misses his family because he misses his too. Mark actually seems really comfortable right Yuta but he does with Johnny and a few others too.
Stop making things sexual, which aren’t!
Yeah, it's all really messed up.I feel bad for all the ships that are male/male or female/female. I get why the ships are there and why companies try hard to have the same sex ships but you gotta feel bad for them a little.Their fans and their companies' agenda are horrible. From companies trying to make fans seem like they could possibly be with them (i mean the fan technically could) and sasaengs stalking them/being obsessed with them. I just dont feel like i would want to be a kpop idol tbh, or even potentially date/marry one.
I’m really not sure what your post means. Where did I say that any of those things equalled masculinity?Yeah none of the guys in NCT nor most in kpop are particularly masculine. Believing in gender equality =/=! masculinity, clothes =/=! masculinity, social media mannerisms and personality =/=! masculinity. TBH, I dont think anyone really considered what he said as sexual but you.
There might be some fans who think Kpop idols are their boyfriends but I’m guessing most fans are perfectly well aware they are not! That’s a very silly thing to say.Yeah, it's all really messed up.
Tbh fans aren't completely at fault, they wouldn't be so crazy about idols if idols didn't have to create the fantasy of them being their boyfriends. It's determental for the idols and the fans, but companies don't care about either.
I'm a girl btw
You get why the companies have same sex ships? Why do the companies do it?I feel bad for all the ships that are male/male or female/female. I get why the ships are there and why companies try hard to have the same sex ships but you gotta feel bad for them a little.Their fans and their companies' agenda are horrible. From companies trying to make fans seem like they could possibly be with them (i mean the fan technically could) and sasaengs stalking them/being obsessed with them. I just dont feel like i would want to be a kpop idol tbh, or even potentially date/marry one.