BTS discussion thread

Hopeful · Sep 23, 2019

People will be afraid of..

Even giving them a tatt00 now...

Hopeful · Sep 23, 2019

I personally don't understand why that woman is liking tweets about her and jk... She is creating a mess both for herself and k00k...

Armys are defending saying she barely speaks or understand English.. But i doubt that ...

NotDelulu · Sep 23, 2019

She removed all posts about them being in a relationship and kept only the ones stated they are friends. i guess she mass liked all messages left for her before.
I think bh used her so she is using her momentum for clout back.
The cctv phootage wasnt even if her and jk but the media play worked and jk is now referred to straight again and thats whats ultimately matters.

I do notice there is a more quiet and calculated approach from fans now . As enlightenment approaches they will slowly be disappearing from the radar.

They do have the (possibly last) comeback and the sa show which i am intrigued Bout to see how its gonna work.

Didnt know supreme boi was fired ? Can you share the source? @Random_person

Thanks

Hopeful · Sep 23, 2019

Just can't possibly be a last comeback.. This will nost probably be Shadow comeback..

Ego still has to come..

They are professionals in having 2 comebacks a year and a japan album plus intl concerts.. So eg0 one can be sooner than expected after shadow one..

wow · Sep 23, 2019

inquisitor said:
So,gain for tea?Didn't he lay low through this hiatus,like he always do?I think there is a media gag order about tea.Hence,there isn't much news about him other than what is let out by the company.Very suspicious.Yes,nothing new

oh yeah, i havent talked about that dude and the hyung line for a minute, they mustve been so dusty after all the scandals, being somewhat forgotten.

ok now im gonna leave assumptions about the members that have been hiding in the shadows for their break, and since jm and jk has been doing some really scandalous stuff, i assume the others have too, because you know what they say, the people you hang out with will influence you (or something in that line).

lets start with th, he has posted some shady stuff before, he was seen with a juul on a pict he posted on twitter yet no one really questions that and pretends that that never happened, its kind of weird, and some peopme started questioning if its a juul or not and 4rmys said its like crayon handle or some sort? uh no, they dont usually look like that and im pretty sure thats a juul he has. second is his rap video, he mouthed the word "b*tch" and again, no one questions him. for his break, we can only see him hanging out with his actor friends and thats all, its kind of weird how he arent been seen in a place somewhere, even when he went to a trip with his friends, no one saw him, no pictures what so ever, i think thats very weird, but idk, he could be running off to some places and doing shady stuff but no one saw him, maybe he is good at hiding or he is wearing a camoflage patterned outfit lol, thats a bad joke, sorry.

rm, now he is the most active one throughout his break, he can only be seen going to museums and taking pictures from only God knows who took those pictures, probably a staff since he can be seen going out with a staff in a restaurant, i think everywhere they go, they have staff around them.
jk : manager sej!n i think thats his name?
jm : that dude we thought was his bf on his trip to france
nj : what i just told yall
jh : i think we can all agree he has staff around, since we assumed he was giving services.
yg : idk much
th : he doesnt have staff with him, from what i know, but he could be, but its weird if a staff comes along to a friendship gathering trip so i dont think he has staff with him, which is kind of suspicious for me since most of them have one, idk.
jn : i believe he has staff with him since we can see him going to places with someone taking pictures of him, could be a staff.

so yeah, nj is doing a "productive" break, looking at occultic museums is SOO FUN and it can boost your iq from 145 to 200 so definetly recommended, i believe he is only doing shady stuff behind the scenes vecause we all know how much of a big fat lie he is.

jh, we have discussed about him in the previous posts, so yeah, what he was doing is not good, with his blonde hair and how he acted on the airport, extremely suspicious.

yg, this guy is actually NONEXISTENT for like a whole month there, i literally dont know what he is doing, he doesnt post anything on social medias but his selfie, suspicious, he could be doing nasty stuff behinds the scenes too, we may never know, and keep in mind these boys are HELLA manipulative and is a big fat clown so i dont want to trust what i saw on social media pictures.

jn : we can see him going to different places, i actually liked his vacations from the other members, he seems like someone who is genuinely enjoying his vacations and doing normal activities such as fishing, or going to the beach/sea, he seems normal to me, but of course, we dont know what is going on behind the scenes, ye could be doing bad stuff.

again, these are all assumptions, since i think people are now rocused on jm and jk only and the other members doesnt really get the spotlight, leads me to thinking that its for hiding something that theyre doing or hiding the fact that theyre doing nasty stuff while people thinking that theyre having normal breaks, not going to parties or having a gf, its for people to flaunt over them and be like "omg, jm and jk could never, these boys are literally the sweetest and purest uwuwuwu" while theyre literally the shadiest person ever, more than jk and jm, so yeah.

tell me what you think !

spicy_ramen · Sep 23, 2019

Does anyone remember a prediction that said a member would get tangled up in a dating scandal and the group will get downhill afterwards? Also another prediction that said Armys are going to be the death of BTS? I kinda feel that these are the things that is currently happening.

Out of curiosity I spent some time browsing the korean accounts that leak JK's alleged dating scandal and they sure dragged JK to the dust over there. The thing I'm not sure about, is this actually coming from antis or the company itself? When the bomb dropped, they're conveniently flying out of the country. Sounds planned? With what we know about the shadiness of BH, there's a possibility that they've orchestrated this, for sure.. but am curious what gain do they get from this scandal? Is this some sort of humiliation ritual for JK, if he seriously is going to go solo?

At first I thought they're just testing the waters, or heck, covering up for that implied statement by one of his fansites. But looking at the way it's going now esp. with girl acting up, I say they're set up for a huge downfall. Nobody will believe what BH market to them anymore with this type of contradiction. BH statement doesn't line up with what the girl says, already enough to make some people drop them like a hot potato.

I don't know really. I'm lost on this matter

Pls do enlighten me if you guys have something.

Truthteller · Sep 23, 2019

spicy_ramen said:
Does anyone remember a prediction that said a member would get tangled up in a dating scandal and the group will get downhill afterwards? Also another prediction that said Armys are going to be the death of BTS? I kinda feel that these are the things that is currently happening.

Out of curiosity I spent some time browsing the korean accounts that leak JK's alleged dating scandal and they sure dragged JK to the dust over there. The thing I'm not sure about, is this actually coming from antis or the company itself? When the bomb dropped, they're conveniently flying out of the country. Sounds planned? With what we know about the shadiness of BH, there's a possibility that they've orchestrated this, for sure.. but am curious what gain do they get from this scandal? Is this some sort of humiliation ritual for JK, if he seriously is going to go solo?

At first I thought they're just testing the waters, or heck, covering up for that implied statement by one of his fansites. But looking at the way it's going now esp. with girl acting up, I say they're set up for a huge downfall. Nobody will believe what BH market to them anymore with this type of contradiction. BH statement doesn't line up with what the girl says, already enough to make some people drop them like a hot potato.

I don't know really. I'm lost on this matter Pls do enlighten me if you guys have something.

You know in Hollywood bearding is common. E.g. Camilla Cabello is bearding for Shawn Mendes and both are getting a ton of publicity from it. Agencies go the great lengths to make sure the star stays in the closet and the most obvious way is to make people assume they are dating a woman. Now despite all the obvious signs and their rampant homo agenda, BT$$ most certainly don’t want to be officially outed by a credible source. For these people getting outed before military service could have some bad consequences in SK that would cause an even bigger controvesy than an alleged dating scandal. The reason is that homosexuality is banned in their military. Furthermore it diverts attention from Jimbo’s scandal in Paris, which if it resurfaces with details will be terrible for them. There is already a not so blind item about it in Cdan. Actually the root of all this is Jimbo’s escapades because his fansite revealed the messages from Headliner in light of his clubbing scandal that happened to coincide with JK’s birthday. Of course there may have been malicious intent as well, but the timing does not lie. Now Big$hit has two things to cover up. So I can see why the company would do this. There could be more to the story, but none that is obvious to me. And you are right the whole thing was conveniently staged.

cadiz · Sep 23, 2019

spicy_ramen said:
Does anyone remember a prediction that said a member would get tangled up in a dating scandal and the group will get downhill afterwards? Also another prediction that said Armys are going to be the death of BTS? I kinda feel that these are the things that is currently happening.

Out of curiosity I spent some time browsing the korean accounts that leak JK's alleged dating scandal and they sure dragged JK to the dust over there. The thing I'm not sure about, is this actually coming from antis or the company itself? When the bomb dropped, they're conveniently flying out of the country. Sounds planned? With what we know about the shadiness of BH, there's a possibility that they've orchestrated this, for sure.. but am curious what gain do they get from this scandal? Is this some sort of humiliation ritual for JK, if he seriously is going to go solo?

At first I thought they're just testing the waters, or heck, covering up for that implied statement by one of his fansites. But looking at the way it's going now esp. with girl acting up, I say they're set up for a huge downfall. Nobody will believe what BH market to them anymore with this type of contradiction. BH statement doesn't line up with what the girl says, already enough to make some people drop them like a hot potato.

I don't know really. I'm lost on this matter Pls do enlighten me if you guys have something.

a lot of things are kept hidden from international fans
what I do know is that JK image in korea is very bad right now and fans are more upset about the type of woman he is being involved with.....the don't trust his friends and they think he is involved in shady things

And the denial was not convincing for korean fans so BH lost credibility.... the whole thing was a bad look for him and the company

asdfghjkl3 · Sep 23, 2019

NotDelulu said:
The forum is slowly dying... but fans are slowly awakening... thats some encouraging tweet from k armys and its spreading

People see thru bh. And the reason they show so much of broken jm is cuz they lay the grounds for his solo career. Who cares if his health is broken.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1175437855729967107

I read that statement as well, but to me, it showed something different then to you.

What is really concerning to me, is that even this critical post shows an almost cult-like thinking the fans have developed.
She mentions that JM is in a really bad condition, his voice is bad and he is drinking on almost all shows, which might indicate alcoholism. But instead of asking for better treatment for him she wants BH not to show this anymore, because it is upsetting the fans and somehow letting them down. The same thing with the JK "scandal". She is not upset that he is maybe dating and getting hate over it, she is upset that people see the hate.
So what she is ultimately asking for, is not better treatment of her favourite band, but better censorship of things that are upsetting to her. That is not a type of behaviour I would necessarily expect from a fan.

However it represents in my opinion the cult-like thinking BH has encouraged. I noticed that a lot of fans seem to not really focus on what BT$ really do and stand for, but rather their ideas and interpretations of them, which are also an extension of their own personality and beliefs.
The best example is the belief that BT$ are "woke kings" and "allies for LGBTQ". You see and hear fans say that all the time, but if you look at what the group members have really said and done to deserve these labels, you notice that the evidence is pretty thin. Sure, they held a speech in front of the UN, and told everyone to love themselves.
But "love yourself" is not a new concept. A lot of artists have done songs on this topic, the first who comes to my mind is Lady Gaga. On the other hand JM wore a nationalistic t-shirt that celebrated the bombing of Hiroshima, called JK the Korean n-word, all of them had multiple racist incidents and had a fashion photo shoot without permission at the Holocaust memorial in Berlin, and RM had a second one with a hat that had the emblem of the nazi elite troop that is responsible for the massacres on Jews during WW2. Not particularly woke, if you ask me.
The same goes for LGBTQ allies. Sure they wave at rainbow flags in concerts, say they do not have girlfriends or boyfriends (which also caters to their rabid shipper fanbase, what a happy coincidence).
But if you look at what they really say in interviews, it is more than vague and when asked directly they do everything to not have to take a clear stance on the matter. That kind of behaviour would not be okay, if they were western artists. So how did they gain this image in the first place if the evidence is so thin?
If you look at what they truly reveal about themselves, it is all so vague and little, that it almost seems that they have no personality. Thus they become a blank canvas, onto which fans can project their dreams.
In my opinion they gained this image with western fans, because all of these aspects are important to western fans. These fans are young, female and grew up on the internet. Wokeness and lgbtq are important topics for them and part of their personal identities. So, obviously their favourite band has to share these values. So they project these values on them and by the virtual sharing, they connect with them. Since BH encourages an extreme attachment to the group, to me it almost looks like that the group becomes part of a fans identity.
In my opinion you can see this in the way fans refer to themselves. Normally, a fan of something would say: "I am a fan of the Beatles/ the Knicks/ Lady Gaga." But BT$ fans say "I am Army." Like they would say: "I am black/ white/ a democrat/ an American/ Christian/ Muslim". Being a fan is part of their identity and manifests in the way they describe themselves. Therefore every single thing about BT$ is a part of themselves. If BT$ are attacked, they feel attacked themselves, because they see themselves as part of the group, not just bystanders who consume content. It is why they react so violently any time someone dares to criticise the group.
The same thing happens in this explanation. She feels personally attacked, because she is uncomfortable with the hate JK receives. But not in an empathetic "I am sorry you have to go through this, this must suck for you" way, but rather in a way that this reflects badly on her own identity.

This has been sort of lingering on my mind for a long time. What do you guys think?

asdfghjkl3 · Sep 23, 2019

spicy_ramen said:
Does anyone remember a prediction that said a member would get tangled up in a dating scandal and the group will get downhill afterwards? Also another prediction that said Armys are going to be the death of BTS? I kinda feel that these are the things that is currently happening.

Out of curiosity I spent some time browsing the korean accounts that leak JK's alleged dating scandal and they sure dragged JK to the dust over there. The thing I'm not sure about, is this actually coming from antis or the company itself? When the bomb dropped, they're conveniently flying out of the country. Sounds planned? With what we know about the shadiness of BH, there's a possibility that they've orchestrated this, for sure.. but am curious what gain do they get from this scandal? Is this some sort of humiliation ritual for JK, if he seriously is going to go solo?

At first I thought they're just testing the waters, or heck, covering up for that implied statement by one of his fansites. But looking at the way it's going now esp. with girl acting up, I say they're set up for a huge downfall. Nobody will believe what BH market to them anymore with this type of contradiction. BH statement doesn't line up with what the girl says, already enough to make some people drop them like a hot potato.

I don't know really. I'm lost on this matter Pls do enlighten me if you guys have something.

Truthteller said:
You know in Hollywood bearding is common. E.g. Camilla Cabello is bearding for Shawn Mendes and both are getting a ton of publicity from it. Agencies go the great lengths to make sure the star stays in the closet and the most obvious way is to make people assume they are dating a woman. Now despite all the obvious signs and their rampant homo agenda, BT$$ most certainly don’t want to be officially outed by a credible source. For these people getting outed before military service could have some bad consequences in SK that would cause an even bigger controvesy than an alleged dating scandal. The reason is that homosexuality is banned in their military. Furthermore it diverts attention from Jimbo’s scandal in Paris, which if it resurfaces with details will be terrible for them. There is already a not so blind item about it in Cdan. Actually the root of all this is Jimbo’s escapades because his fansite revealed the messages from Headliner in light of his clubbing scandal that happened to coincide with JK’s birthday. Of course there may have been malicious intent as well, but the timing does not lie. Now Big$hit has two things to cover up. So I can see why the company would do this. There could be more to the story, but none that is obvious to me. And you are right the whole thing was conveniently staged.

I don't think BH planned this, and if they did they are bigger idiots than I ever thought they would be.
If they planned this, it should have some sort of gain for them. Objectively speaking JK is better suited for a solo career than JM, even though JM's brand ranking in Korea is better. On stage JK is much better than JM in almost all areas. He is a much safer bet for a solo career. Of course JM's image took a big hit with the Paris scandal, but at least international fans were appeased very quickly with a fake trip home for JK's birthday. So why damage JK's good reputation for a member that is not as safe a bet for a solo career? that doesn't make any sense. They would have been able to find something else to cover it, especially since Korean fans have been covering JM's missteps in his home country for years.
Headliner wouldn't have been too big of problem either since to my knowledge only international fans interpreted her statement like she was saying JK was gay. Korean fans interpreted it as "doesn't sleep around", although this may have been false as well. But with ther age and history, who would have really believed her? An over fourty year old who stalked a young adult and threw a tantrum when said young adult didn't wear her presents in public? They could have insinuated that she was insane and be done with it. Especially since JK never had a scandal before.
Besides, Dispatch would not out him if he were gay, and as far as I know they have almost no competition when it comes to gossip about celebrities. And BH have been paying them off for years, they could easily do it again.
And if they really wanted to get him a beard, why choose this girl? Her friends are weird, she has a profession that is still semi-illegal in SK, has tattoos herself, one of which celebrates cocaine, is gender non-conforming... the list goes on and on. If they want to find a beard, why not choose a girl-next-door type that is inoffensive and just as easily deniable, because JK would never date someone so "ugly". Besides it would also have the effect that every single one of his fan girls would think that she could also have the chance to be in her place, since she is "just as pretty if not prettier".
In my opinion, BH screwed up. Either because this is at least partially real and the girl is now angry and taking revenge, or because they totally underestimated her when they hired her, and she is now turning the situation to her advantage.

NotDelulu · Sep 23, 2019

Truthteller said:
You know in Hollywood bearding is common. E.g. Camilla Cabello is bearding for Shawn Mendes and both are getting a ton of publicity from it. Agencies go the great lengths to make sure the star stays in the closet and the most obvious way is to make people assume they are dating a woman. Now despite all the obvious signs and their rampant homo agenda, BT$$ most certainly don’t want to be officially outed by a credible source. For these people getting outed before military service could have some bad consequences in SK that would cause an even bigger controvesy than an alleged dating scandal. The reason is that homosexuality is banned in their military. Furthermore it diverts attention from Jimbo’s scandal in Paris, which if it resurfaces with details will be terrible for them. There is already a not so blind item about it in Cdan. Actually the root of all this is Jimbo’s escapades because his fansite revealed the messages from Headliner in light of his clubbing scandal that happened to coincide with JK’s birthday. Of course there may have been malicious intent as well, but the timing does not lie. Now Big$hit has two things to cover up. So I can see why the company would do this. There could be more to the story, but none that is obvious to me. And you are right the whole thing was conveniently staged.

Ugh you put it so eloquently i salute you

OvercomeItAll · Sep 23, 2019

asdfghjkl3 said:
I read that statement as well, but to me, it showed something different then to you.

What is really concerning to me, is that even this critical post shows an almost cult-like thinking the fans have developed.
She mentions that JM is in a really bad condition, his voice is bad and he is drinking on almost all shows, which might indicate alcoholism. But instead of asking for better treatment for him she wants BH not to show this anymore, because it is upsetting the fans and somehow letting them down. The same thing with the JK "scandal". She is not upset that he is maybe dating and getting hate over it, she is upset that people see the hate.
So what she is ultimately asking for, is not better treatment of her favourite band, but better censorship of things that are upsetting to her. That is not a type of behaviour I would necessarily expect from a fan.

However it represents in my opinion the cult-like thinking BH has encouraged. I noticed that a lot of fans seem to not really focus on what BT$ really do and stand for, but rather their ideas and interpretations of them, which are also an extension of their own personality and beliefs.
The best example is the belief that BT$ are "woke kings" and "allies for LGBTQ". You see and hear fans say that all the time, but if you look at what the group members have really said and done to deserve these labels, you notice that the evidence is pretty thin. Sure, they held a speech in front of the UN, and told everyone to love themselves.
But "love yourself" is not a new concept. A lot of artists have done songs on this topic, the first who comes to my mind is Lady Gaga. On the other hand JM wore a nationalistic t-shirt that celebrated the bombing of Hiroshima, called JK the Korean n-word, all of them had multiple racist incidents and had a fashion photo shoot without permission at the Holocaust memorial in Berlin, and RM had a second one with a hat that had the emblem of the nazi elite troop that is responsible for the massacres on Jews during WW2. Not particularly woke, if you ask me.
The same goes for LGBTQ allies. Sure they wave at rainbow flags in concerts, say they do not have girlfriends or boyfriends (which also caters to their rabid shipper fanbase, what a happy coincidence).
But if you look at what they really say in interviews, it is more than vague and when asked directly they do everything to not have to take a clear stance on the matter. That kind of behaviour would not be okay, if they were western artists. So how did they gain this image in the first place if the evidence is so thin?
If you look at what they truly reveal about themselves, it is all so vague and little, that it almost seems that they have no personality. Thus they become a blank canvas, onto which fans can project their dreams.
In my opinion they gained this image with western fans, because all of these aspects are important to western fans. These fans are young, female and grew up on the internet. Wokeness and lgbtq are important topics for them and part of their personal identities. So, obviously their favourite band has to share these values. So they project these values on them and by the virtual sharing, they connect with them. Since BH encourages an extreme attachment to the group, to me it almost looks like that the group becomes part of a fans identity.
In my opinion you can see this in the way fans refer to themselves. Normally, a fan of something would say: "I am a fan of the Beatles/ the Knicks/ Lady Gaga." But BT$ fans say "I am Army." Like they would say: "I am black/ white/ a democrat/ an American/ Christian/ Muslim". Being a fan is part of their identity and manifests in the way they describe themselves. Therefore every single thing about BT$ is a part of themselves. If BT$ are attacked, they feel attacked themselves, because they see themselves as part of the group, not just bystanders who consume content. It is why they react so violently any time someone dares to criticise the group.
The same thing happens in this explanation. She feels personally attacked, because she is uncomfortable with the hate JK receives. But not in an empathetic "I am sorry you have to go through this, this must suck for you" way, but rather in a way that this reflects badly on her own identity.

This has been sort of lingering on my mind for a long time. What do you guys think?

This explains a lot of things perfectly! Esp. the identity thing!

asdfghjkl3 said:
I don't think BH planned this, and if they did they are bigger idiots than I ever thought they would be.
If they planned this, it should have some sort of gain for them. Objectively speaking JK is better suited for a solo career than JM, even though JM's brand ranking in Korea is better. On stage JK is much better than JM in almost all areas. He is a much safer bet for a solo career. Of course JM's image took a big hit with the Paris scandal, but at least international fans were appeased very quickly with a fake trip home for JK's birthday. So why damage JK's good reputation for a member that is not as safe a bet for a solo career? that doesn't make any sense. They would have been able to find something else to cover it, especially since Korean fans have been covering JM's missteps in his home country for years.
Headliner wouldn't have been too big of problem either since to my knowledge only international fans interpreted her statement like she was saying JK was gay. Korean fans interpreted it as "doesn't sleep around", although this may have been false as well. But with ther age and history, who would have really believed her? An over fourty year old who stalked a young adult and threw a tantrum when said young adult didn't wear her presents in public? They could have insinuated that she was insane and be done with it. Especially since JK never had a scandal before.
Besides, Dispatch would not out him if he were gay, and as far as I know they have almost no competition when it comes to gossip about celebrities. And BH have been paying them off for years, they could easily do it again.
And if they really wanted to get him a beard, why choose this girl? Her friends are weird, she has a profession that is still semi-illegal in SK, has tattoos herself, one of which celebrates cocaine, is gender non-conforming... the list goes on and on. If they want to find a beard, why not choose a girl-next-door type that is inoffensive and just as easily deniable, because JK would never date someone so "ugly". Besides it would also have the effect that every single one of his fan girls would think that she could also have the chance to be in her place, since she is "just as pretty if not prettier".
In my opinion, BH screwed up. Either because this is at least partially real and the girl is now angry and taking revenge, or because they totally underestimated her when they hired her, and she is now turning the situation to her advantage.

I think everything about the scandal is staged, but I don't think this is bearding. Things just don't add up at all.

Truthteller · Sep 23, 2019

asdfghjkl3 said:
I don't think BH planned this, and if they did they are bigger idiots than I ever thought they would be.
If they planned this, it should have some sort of gain for them. Objectively speaking JK is better suited for a solo career than JM, even though JM's brand ranking in Korea is better. On stage JK is much better than JM in almost all areas. He is a much safer bet for a solo career. Of course JM's image took a big hit with the Paris scandal, but at least international fans were appeased very quickly with a fake trip home for JK's birthday. So why damage JK's good reputation for a member that is not as safe a bet for a solo career? that doesn't make any sense. They would have been able to find something else to cover it, especially since Korean fans have been covering JM's missteps in his home country for years.
Headliner wouldn't have been too big of problem either since to my knowledge only international fans interpreted her statement like she was saying JK was gay. Korean fans interpreted it as "doesn't sleep around", although this may have been false as well. But with ther age and history, who would have really believed her? An over fourty year old who stalked a young adult and threw a tantrum when said young adult didn't wear her presents in public? They could have insinuated that she was insane and be done with it. Especially since JK never had a scandal before.
Besides, Dispatch would not out him if he were gay, and as far as I know they have almost no competition when it comes to gossip about celebrities. And BH have been paying them off for years, they could easily do it again.
And if they really wanted to get him a beard, why choose this girl? Her friends are weird, she has a profession that is still semi-illegal in SK, has tattoos herself, one of which celebrates cocaine, is gender non-conforming... the list goes on and on. If they want to find a beard, why not choose a girl-next-door type that is inoffensive and just as easily deniable, because JK would never date someone so "ugly". Besides it would also have the effect that every single one of his fan girls would think that she could also have the chance to be in her place, since she is "just as pretty if not prettier".
In my opinion, BH screwed up. Either because this is at least partially real and the girl is now angry and taking revenge, or because they totally underestimated her when they hired her, and she is now turning the situation to her advantage.

Headliner’s statement could easily be interpreted the way we interepret it in South Korea. Maybe not for the 13 yos but any adult will understand what it insinuates. Some things are just left unsaid among their Korean fans it seems to ”protect” the idol. You think Kpop sasaengs or dispatch don’t know this? I wrote this in the other forum, but my estimation is that a good 40-50% of new generation male idols are lgbt, not just BT$. Jk or whoever is in no unique position. This has happened before when they was serious g@y rumours for a very popular idol: e.g. EXO Kai, bam dating scandal. Feel free to read on the general kpop forum along with some posts from users that don’t post here.

Older fans also that a fansite is a relatively reliable source as they know a lot about the idol involved. At the end of the day, they are not real stalkers, more like PR firms that work with them. I agree that Big$hit messed up, but with regards to Jimbo’s scandal, that would cause damage to the whole group and company, similar to how Seungri’s scandal led to the downfall of YG. If that thing blows up more and more things may be exposed that could cause huge damage. You have to look at the bigger picture. Once again I think they were trying to kill two birds with one shot.

asdfghjkl3 said:
I read that statement as well, but to me, it showed something different then to you.

What is really concerning to me, is that even this critical post shows an almost cult-like thinking the fans have developed.
She mentions that JM is in a really bad condition, his voice is bad and he is drinking on almost all shows, which might indicate alcoholism. But instead of asking for better treatment for him she wants BH not to show this anymore, because it is upsetting the fans and somehow letting them down. The same thing with the JK "scandal". She is not upset that he is maybe dating and getting hate over it, she is upset that people see the hate.
So what she is ultimately asking for, is not better treatment of her favourite band, but better censorship of things that are upsetting to her. That is not a type of behaviour I would necessarily expect from a fan.

However it represents in my opinion the cult-like thinking BH has encouraged. I noticed that a lot of fans seem to not really focus on what BT$ really do and stand for, but rather their ideas and interpretations of them, which are also an extension of their own personality and beliefs.
The best example is the belief that BT$ are "woke kings" and "allies for LGBTQ". You see and hear fans say that all the time, but if you look at what the group members have really said and done to deserve these labels, you notice that the evidence is pretty thin. Sure, they held a speech in front of the UN, and told everyone to love themselves.
But "love yourself" is not a new concept. A lot of artists have done songs on this topic, the first who comes to my mind is Lady Gaga. On the other hand JM wore a nationalistic t-shirt that celebrated the bombing of Hiroshima, called JK the Korean n-word, all of them had multiple racist incidents and had a fashion photo shoot without permission at the Holocaust memorial in Berlin, and RM had a second one with a hat that had the emblem of the nazi elite troop that is responsible for the massacres on Jews during WW2. Not particularly woke, if you ask me.
The same goes for LGBTQ allies. Sure they wave at rainbow flags in concerts, say they do not have girlfriends or boyfriends (which also caters to their rabid shipper fanbase, what a happy coincidence).
But if you look at what they really say in interviews, it is more than vague and when asked directly they do everything to not have to take a clear stance on the matter. That kind of behaviour would not be okay, if they were western artists. So how did they gain this image in the first place if the evidence is so thin?
If you look at what they truly reveal about themselves, it is all so vague and little, that it almost seems that they have no personality. Thus they become a blank canvas, onto which fans can project their dreams.
In my opinion they gained this image with western fans, because all of these aspects are important to western fans. These fans are young, female and grew up on the internet. Wokeness and lgbtq are important topics for them and part of their personal identities. So, obviously their favourite band has to share these values. So they project these values on them and by the virtual sharing, they connect with them. Since BH encourages an extreme attachment to the group, to me it almost looks like that the group becomes part of a fans identity.
In my opinion you can see this in the way fans refer to themselves. Normally, a fan of something would say: "I am a fan of the Beatles/ the Knicks/ Lady Gaga." But BT$ fans say "I am Army." Like they would say: "I am black/ white/ a democrat/ an American/ Christian/ Muslim". Being a fan is part of their identity and manifests in the way they describe themselves. Therefore every single thing about BT$ is a part of themselves. If BT$ are attacked, they feel attacked themselves, because they see themselves as part of the group, not just bystanders who consume content. It is why they react so violently any time someone dares to criticise the group.
The same thing happens in this explanation. She feels personally attacked, because she is uncomfortable with the hate JK receives. But not in an empathetic "I am sorry you have to go through this, this must suck for you" way, but rather in a way that this reflects badly on her own identity.

This has been sort of lingering on my mind for a long time. What do you guys think?

I agree with some of what you say, but strongly disagree with some statement such as ”their stance on certain issues such as LGBT” is vague and built on thin ice. Of course this may be company policy, but BT$ shown some of the most obvious and rampant promotion of LGBT and gender non-conforming concepts both through words, more importantly through actions. This has previously widely been dicussed on the forum, not going through it again. Perhaps we haven’t been seeing the same thing, but to me their agenda on certain issues is very clear, same for e.g. my sister who is younger than me. There are a lot of trendy topics that can’t be related to BT$ such as environmentalism, religion, gender equality, etc etc, all of which matter to young ”woke” people. Their main two things are LGBT and and love of the self and self-acceptance which once again relates to the latter. That is it. Of course they don’t follow their own message about self-love considering how depressed some of the members seem. The reason you think it seems blank is because you realize how manufactured they are, it is not something of their own.

Popping · Sep 24, 2019

spicy_ramen said:
Does anyone remember a prediction that said a member would get tangled up in a dating scandal and the group will get downhill afterwards? Also another prediction that said Armys are going to be the death of BTS? I kinda feel that these are the things that is currently happening.

Out of curiosity I spent some time browsing the korean accounts that leak JK's alleged dating scandal and they sure dragged JK to the dust over there. The thing I'm not sure about, is this actually coming from antis or the company itself? When the bomb dropped, they're conveniently flying out of the country. Sounds planned? With what we know about the shadiness of BH, there's a possibility that they've orchestrated this, for sure.. but am curious what gain do they get from this scandal? Is this some sort of humiliation ritual for JK, if he seriously is going to go solo?

At first I thought they're just testing the waters, or heck, covering up for that implied statement by one of his fansites. But looking at the way it's going now esp. with girl acting up, I say they're set up for a huge downfall. Nobody will believe what BH market to them anymore with this type of contradiction. BH statement doesn't line up with what the girl says, already enough to make some people drop them like a hot potato.

I don't know really. I'm lost on this matter Pls do enlighten me if you guys have something.

Can i compliment you on your profile pic? I love pusheen cat. ;^;

Gogobebe · Sep 24, 2019

Roxyskystar said:
I've had a dream about GOT7 car accident in 2020.It's was night when the news came.(December)( And there's was 1 death and 2 in coma....That was really scary.And my mom said; there's people who make pacts with devil and die when their time is finish.I think it has a report with sacrifice and other thing like that..

Roxyskystar said:
And since this morning,i can't stop thinking about Jackson,Yugyeom and BamBam...I can't.Like i'm worrying about them.

Please, don't worry about it...

It is fightening indeed, but for your sake it's better for you if you don't think about them
And personally I think that your mom is right. Once I read about J0hn Lenn0n and that he sold his soul for such a big success of Beetls and the fact that he was shooted was completion of the pact.
Actually Jacks0n has just released a new song "bull3t to th3 h34rt" - lot of insanity and it seems that lady in dark is controlling him
If you want to share something more I recommend you joining a kpop thread

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/kpop-satanic-illuminati-influence.2143/

I apologize to you all for this off-topic post ^_^'

ddaeng · Sep 24, 2019

Hopeful said:
Ok whatever the news might be.. But what is that in the tatt00 shop? I have never been to one.. So umm.. Anybody got an explanation?

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That person is lying down to get a tattoo. This is totally normal and most of the time necessary haha. My boyfriend is a tattoo artist. It's pretty common for shops to have lude artwork or collective weird things, so seeing a dildo or something phallic isn't that weird either

alx849 · Sep 24, 2019

cadiz · Sep 24, 2019

alx849 said:

strange video
What's going on with JK mouth and why is he acting like a fish? maybe he is trying to act cute?
And Jamal looks lost in this video, especially the last part.....something off with him

yxxllxh · Sep 25, 2019

alx849 said:

they look absolutely miserable. what a shame they act so happy on screen, but here you get the real them.

Shuna · Sep 25, 2019

I believe, that I found the moment of the sacrifice of Jin: It will be the 21th of March:
Why, on March 21th? It is marked on the car, behind Jin in Fire clip, in addition to the symbol of the four bars striped, it includes on the left the symbol of Aries. And the 21th? The 21th will be the day, when spring will arrive. Whether in the Spring Day clip as well as in Taemin's My Skin, you'll see cherry blossoms (symbol of spring).
In Spring Day, it's the girl who dies, and everyone ends up putting a pair of white shoes on the tree. This will surely make you think of a picture where Jin is the only one who does not wear shoes.
In Taemin's Under My Skin, where he dances under a red, red moon-like light, reminiscent of the scene of Baekhyun, where he illustrates a slaughter.

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