Are you for Traditional Values? What do you think about Muslims and Christians joining together to uphold Conservative Values in the West?

[Daze]

My ´social circle´ (a political group) here close to Copenhagen has already tried this, for years. Nothing much has come of it. 99.9% are fast asleep and cannot currently be reached with these concerns.

We just need to make an effort, God will take care of the rest.

We need to "plant seeds" until the angel of death comes to us.

 

[DesertRose]

Russian Lawmakers Approve Bill Banning Gender Reassignment
Excerpt:
"Russian lawmakers in the lower house of parliament on Friday voted overwhelmingly in favour of new legislation that would make gender reassignment illegal, further cementing an ultra-conservative, anti-Western drive in society.

"The State Duma banned gender reassignment in Russia. The relevant changes to the legislation, initiated by the Chairman of the State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin and deputies of all factions, were adopted in the final version unanimously," read a statement on the Duma's website.

"This decision will protect our citizens and our children," Volodin said in a separate statement on social media.

The new legislation must first be approved by the upper house of parliament and President Vladimir Putin before entering into force, steps seen as formalities in a country where lawmakers are loyal to the Kremlin."

Russian Lawmakers Approve Bill Banning Gender Reassignment

Russian lawmakers in the lower house of parliament on Friday voted overwhelmingly in favour of new legislation that would make gender reassignment illegal, further cementing an ultra-conservative, anti-Western drive in society.

www.barrons.com

 

[The Sojourner]

Greetings!

Patrick Bet David (Christian Pod-caster) had a realization regarding the need to join forces on select issues such as family values in the West.
What do you think about this idea?
Can we work together despite our theological differences to fix these issues?
It is apparent that the opposition is uniting and promoting their values and pushing their agenda of immorality on our children and that Muslims and Christians need to join forces to repel these agendas.
What do you think? Doable or Not?
As for my stance as you can tell from my posts I am for this, but then again I was one of those home-school moms who would drive out to the Canadian boonies (distant farm areas) to home-school book fairs full of conservative Christians.
There are good and bad people in every group.
Only dislike psychopaths from any religion.
I do not agree with the stereotypes promoted by the media.
If someone is a stereotyping bigot that is their problem, not anyone else's.
Life's too short.

"Game Over" - What Muslims & Christians Have in Common

Please note, they bring up Usury or interest however we do not consider usury as we do trade and the Quran directly addresses this issue!
Those who consume interest cannot stand [on the Day of Resurrection] except as one stands who is being beaten by Satan into insanity. That is because they say, “Trade is [just] like interest.” But Allah has permitted trade and has forbidden interest. So whoever has received an admonition from his Lord and desists may have what is past, and his affair rests with Allah. But whoever returns to [dealing in interest or usury] – those are the companions of the Fire; they will abide eternally therein. 2:275
For a greater understanding of this ruling:

https://www.islamweb.com/en/fatwa/84764/why-usury-is-prohibited

This response includes footage of Ilhan Omar supporting the progressive agenda of LGBTQ+, needless to say, she is going against our teachings.
Patrick Bet-David - What Muslims & Christians Have in Common - Response

Amongst other things, I liked that he said "in Islam we do not test drive women".

In the general West, people can hang their collective heads in shame for how it has become seen as permissible in the culture.

Well done to the Muslims.

 

[Daze]

Amongst other things, I liked that he said "in Islam we do not test drive women".

In the general West, people can hang their collective heads in shame for how it has become seen as permissible in the culture.

Well done to the Muslims.

This has been a slow process (which is the way the devil works).

You can look at images from about 200 years ago to see most Americans wore "hijab." As it was shameful for a woman to show her hair, mainly due to the Bible condemning it. (1 Corinthians 11:6)



Fast forward to today and only nuns wear hijab amongst the non-Muslims.

I am only talking about hijab. Truth is the entire body is now shown as the prophecy "women dressed but naked" has already been fulfilled.

Very little is left to the imagination.
Just a head shot for obvious reasons.

Truth be told there are Muslims who will even blur the woman's face due to her value.

A tweet from yesterday.
Even the face is obscured.

Which makes many feminists angry because they see it as oppression. But to a Muslim, a woman's value is higher then diamonds and gold and she is not to be shown for public consumption. She is for her husband only.

Compare this to today when a western women is shown in a bikini sitting on a car's hood trying to sell products.

The western woman has been so devalued its ridiculous. "Test driving" is a fair way to put it as most western women today will go all the way on the first date. It's not uncommon at all for western women to have 10 partners by the time she is 30.

This is the disease they are trying to push on Muslims today as they cry women are not given an education. When we can see in America that the colleges just churn out secular, nihilist people. But hey, this is a "Christian" country where academia is removing God entirely.

 

[The Sojourner]

This has been a slow process (which is the way the devil works).

You can look at images from about 200 years ago to see most Americans wore "hijab." As it was shameful for a woman to show her hair, mainly due to the Bible condemning it. (1 Corinthians 11:6)

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Fast forward to today and only nuns wear hijab amongst the non-Muslims.

I am only talking about hijab. Truth is the entire body is now shown as the prophecy "women dressed but naked" has already been fulfilled.

Very little is left to the imagination.
View attachment 89058 Just a head shot for obvious reasons.

Truth be told there are Muslims who will even blur the woman's face due to her value.

A tweet from yesterday.
View attachment 89059 Even the face is obscured.

Which makes many feminists angry because they see it as oppression. But to a Muslim, a woman's value is higher then diamonds and gold and she is not to be shown for public consumption. She is for her husband only.

Compare this to today when a western women is shown in a bikini sitting on a car's hood trying to sell products.

The western woman has been so devalued its ridiculous. "Test driving" is a fair way to put it as most western women today will go all the way on the first date. It's not uncommon at all for western women to have 10 partners by the time she is 30.

This is the disease they are trying to push on Muslims today as they cry women are not given an education. When we can see in America that the colleges just churn out secular, nihilist people. But hey, this is a "Christian" country where academia is removing God entirely.

Western society has become disgusting.

Yes - I am for traditional values.

 

[DesertRose]

Yes - I am for traditional values.

Once modesty was deemed backward, many women began competing in a race to the bottom to show who can wear more revealing clothes.
It began with showing an ankle and has now progressed to open nudity and the promotion of immoral lifestyles.
Islam requires modesty as a rule for both men and women to uphold family values.

The Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) said:
"Faith has over seventy branches or over sixty branches, the most excellent of which is the declaration that there is no god but Allah, and the humblest of which is the removal of what is injurious from the path: and modesty is the branch of faith."

 

[DesertRose]

This goes for all Western Nations and increasingly other nations around the world.
“You’re the problem!” - People Afraid To Speak Out Are Ruining America

Whenever the government of the United States shall break up,
it will probably be in consequence of a false direction having been given to public opinion.
This is the weak point of our defences, and the part to which the enemies of the system will direct all their attacks.
Opinion can be so perverted as to cause the false to seem true; the enemy, a friend, and the friend, an enemy; the best interests of the nation to appear insignificant, and trifles of moment; in a word, the right the wrong, and the wrong the right.
In a country where opinion has sway, to seize upon it, is to seize upon power.
As it is a rule of humanity that the upright and well-intentioned are comparatively passive,
while the designing, dishonest and selfish are the most untiring in their efforts,
the danger of public opinion's getting a false direction is four-fold, since few men think for themselves.


James Fenimore Cooper,
The American Democrat, 1838
​

 

[Lurking009]

Stand for what is good and true in our own social circle?

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I may be misunderstanding, but it sounds like you are saying we should stand together no matter our religion and faith?

If so, how does each religion define evil, good, traditional values, and truth? The Bible and Koran are polar opposites. What the Bible calls good the Koran calls evil, and vice-versa. Trying to force the two beliefs to come together and 'agree' is the path of ecumenism and a one world religion. It is faith compromised for both sides.

Let's say Christians team up with Muslims to fight 'evil'. We can all agree some things are wrong, but how far do you take agreement and compromise in terms of judgment and punishment? Sharia law, which is one of the goals of Islam? How could Christians ever be reconciled or in agreement with that? We don't share the same God, beliefs, values, or faith, and that is where agreement is problematic.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I may be misunderstanding, but it sounds like you are saying we should stand together no matter our religion and faith?

If so, how does each religion define evil, good, traditional values, and truth? The Bible and Koran are polar opposites. What the Bible calls good the Koran calls evil, and vice-versa. Trying to force the two beliefs to come together and 'agree' is the path of ecumenism and a one world religion. It is faith compromised for both sides.

Let's say Christians team up with Muslims to fight 'evil'. We can all agree some things are wrong, but how far do you take agreement and compromise in terms of judgment and punishment? Sharia law, which is one of the goals of Islam? How could Christians ever be reconciled or in agreement with that? We don't share the same God, beliefs, values, or faith, and that is where agreement is problematic.

A good question. I obviously don’t go in for shariah law but insofar as Muslims support the Ten Commandments, I’m ok agreeing with them!

 

[Alanantic]

I may be misunderstanding, but it sounds like you are saying we should stand together no matter our religion and faith?

If so, how does each religion define evil, good, traditional values, and truth? The Bible and Koran are polar opposites. What the Bible calls good the Koran calls evil, and vice-versa. Trying to force the two beliefs to come together and 'agree' is the path of ecumenism and a one world religion. It is faith compromised for both sides.

Let's say Christians team up with Muslims to fight 'evil'. We can all agree some things are wrong, but how far do you take agreement and compromise in terms of judgment and punishment? Sharia law, which is one of the goals of Islam? How could Christians ever be reconciled or in agreement with that? We don't share the same God, beliefs, values, or faith, and that is where agreement is problematic.

Maybe what brings people together is more important than our beliefs.

 

[DesertRose]

Currently, the left-wing agenda has been weaponized to be enforced by these governments specifically with regards to the gay agenda, gender identity, and preferred pronouns legislation.
The proposal has nothing to do with Christians or Muslims forgetting their religious differences.

Work together to oppose these activities specifically.

 

[Lurking009]

Maybe what brings people together is more important than our beliefs.

For true Christians, there is nothing more important than faith and Christ. I imagine many Muslims would say the same of their faith, as well.

I think there's a misconception that this is an either/or issue. People of all religions can fight against a common evil without becoming yoked together in compromise. No one has to be in agreement with an opposing faith to show up to a school board meeting, ya know? Just show up and state your views.

 

[DesertRose]

yoke: See: bondage , curb , fetter , include , incorporate , join , lock , subjection , thrall
Practicing Muslims with any understanding of the faith would never put forth such a notion of being yoked with people of a different faith.

Do you share the same values as all your co-workers?
People have cooperated with people with differing values and beliefs in many domains.
Heck, you cooperate with atheists all the time so much so that they have taken over your societies, and satanism is on the rise.

Okay, you are against this proposal, noted.

 

[DesertRose]

Thanks for participating.
Got my answers,
Revised proposal
Muslims in the West should work with the Christians who want to work with them in opposing the gay agenda, gender identity, and preferred pronoun legislation.

 

[Daze]

What the Bible calls good the Koran calls evil,

Mind providing examples?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Thanks for participating.
Got my answers,
Revised proposal
Muslims in the West should work with the Christians who want to work with them in opposing the gay agenda, gender identity, and preferred pronoun legislation.

I note that many Christians support the work of Prager U - it does indeed provide an intelligent, conservative response to some of the left leaning evils of society…

e.g.

but Dennis Prager is an Orthodox Jew who (presently) rejects the Gospel…

“Prager and his brother Kenneth Prager, were raised in a Modern Orthodox Jewish home. He attended the Yeshiva of Flatbush in Brooklyn, New York, where he befriended Joseph Telushkin. He went to Brooklyn College and graduated with a major in history and Middle Eastern Studies.

 

[Orwell's mentor]

yoke: See: bondage , curb , fetter , include , incorporate , join , lock , subjection , thrall
No Muslim would ever put forth such a notion of being yoked with people of a different faith.

Do you share the same values as all your co-workers?
People have cooperated with people with differing values and beliefs in many domains.
Heck, you cooperate with atheists all the time so much so that they have taken over your societies, and satanism is on the rise.

Okay, you are against this proposal, noted.

The points you've brought up here are indicative why nations will fall or rise, IMHO. There are churches that have pride flags on their websites and on front lawns, people making hand over fist in money with "medicine" that people clearly don't need, big brother tech being implemented, but the majority remain silent. However, to work together with other faiths to fight this satanic infiltration is beyond their scope of reasoning. I work with someone like this and realized I feel like I'm losing brain cells listening to their rationale. Despite the fact they've asked me what sites or people would be best to gather information, they don't have a clue with who or what's pulling the strings. For now, I've chosen to ignore them and just smile.

Ahhh well, according to Rocco Galati and Melissa Ciummei, it only takes 3-5% to rebel so there is hope.

 

[TokiEl]

We believe it is the greatest sin to worship other partners with The One God.
Prophet Jesus peace be upon Him is respected as one of His Prophets and Messengers of strong will and the Messiah

Jesus Christ is The One God.

Namely the Logos through Whom everything was made... even you.


The problem is you guys... believing the devil's drivel instead of God's Word.

You should be ashamed.

 

[DesertRose]

We think you are misguided.
You are not welcome on this thread.

 

[TokiEl]

We think you are misguided.
You are not welcome on this thread.

You think.. ? I know i tell truths.


Truth is Jesus Christ is God... and the quran was inspired by the devil.

This is easily provable both from the bible and witnesses... still you cling to your religious traditions like modern pharisees.


You are blinded by false faith.