Are medicines permitted by God (according the REAL bible)

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In other threads A Freeman has presented Anthony John Hill's (i.e. the self-proclaimed JAHtruth) doctrines that drugs (as well as seeing doctors) are condemned by God under all circumstances, labelling all drugs as sorcery and witchcraft.

If AJH limited his generalisations to illegal ones he mentions in his article Jahtruth- why people really take drugs, then a lot of people agree with him condemning those ones, even if they disagreed with his sorcery label. After all those drugs do cause altered consciousness and can make people do/experience things they would never have under normal circumstances.

However he extends this doctrine to ALL drugs, including all medications - even life-saving ones. That is an incredibly dangerous teaching and is potentially putting people's lives at risk , including AJH's if he actually believes it 100%.

Of course A Freeman uses AJH's conveniently self-translated "bible" in the process. There is not a single indication that AJH has any knowledge of biblical languages either, not even on the Jahtruth website!!! Languages change over time, meanings of words change over time.
The Kings Bible was the opposite, with many translators from different denominations to prevent personal bias. https://kingjamesbibletranslators.org/bios/
I therefore will show both the real King James Bible and AJH's pseudo-version Kings of kings simultaneously so people can see where AJH creates his doctrine. Some differences are very subtle, some are not.

In this case the following two are almost identical.
Old Testament (written to Jews)
Deuteronomy (KoK)
18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer (medium).


Deuteronomy (KJV)
18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.


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New Testament (Written to Christian churches)
Galatians (KoK)
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, pharmacy, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall NOT inherit The Kingdom of God.


Galatians (KJV)
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Anthony John Hill has "translated" the Greek word pharmaceia as "pharmacy" literally.

5331. pharmakeia
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
sorcery, witchcraft.
From pharmakeus; medication ("pharmacy"), i.e. (by extension) magic (literally or figuratively) -- sorcery, witchcraft.
see GREEK pharmakeus
Forms and Transliterations
φαρμακεία φαρμακείᾳ φαρμακείαις φαρμακειων φαρμακια φαρμακία φαρμακίᾳ pharmakeia pharmakeía pharmakeíāi
 
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Medicines are mentioned in a positive light in the bible (therefore contradicting JAHtruth's dangerous false teaching):


Wine was used in a similar manner to how narcotics are used to minimise pain in dying patients.

Proverbs 13:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

Paul told Timothy to use weakened wine in a way that now anti-acids and other medicines are used to treat stomach diseases and ulcers.
1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

A secular website showing medicinal plants were used in the bible.
pubmed - Medicinal plants of the Bible-revisited
 

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Medicine is permitted in the Bible, most of it was natural. Though Biblical health principles are more about prevention than cure.

In the case of alcohol, the Bible never has anything good to say about alcohol (fermented wine) and its consequences. We are not to drink fermented wine in our daily lives at all. The Bible does not even tolerate moderate drinking. The apostles and Jesus never drank fermented wine either. They drank unfermented wine (grape juice).

Alcohol is only permitted to be used for medicinal purposes as in Proverbs 31:6-7 says, "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more." This text is talking about those who are perishing and those in distress. Biblically fermented wine was given to people who are dying and in a lot of pain. This was something the Jews did for the dying. When Jesus was on the cross dying, they gave him “wine mingled with myrrh” (Mark 15:23) but He refused to take it. Alcohol was used as a narcotic to help those who were dying and in agony.
 
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In other threads A Freeman has presented Anthony John Hill's (i.e. the self-proclaimed JAHtruth) doctrines that drugs (as well as seeing doctors) are condemned by God under all circumstances, labelling all drugs as sorcery and witchcraft.
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However he extends this doctrine to ALL drugs, including all medications - even life-saving ones. That is an incredibly dangerous teaching and is potentially putting people's lives at risk , including AJH's if he actually believes it 100%.
I have tried to make sense of this.

The closest i can get to it is that since A Freeman/Jah teach reincarnation as an irrefutable FACT, they would allege something along the lines of "if that body dies it's for the best because that person (sorry, i mean "spirit being" or something) will just return in a new better body that is able to live "in harmony with nature" unlike the previous "damaged" body".

I have posted this screenshot from the way home or the fire book before in another thread that shows this viewpoint.

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(Just being clear, not my viewpoint - I tend to not agree with things that insinuate that it would have been better had i or my children never existed)

Medicines are mentioned in a positive light in the bible (therefore contradicting JAHtruth's dangerous false teaching)
The question would be, are natural, plant-derived medicines mentioned in the Bible the same moral equivalency to modern gene-manipulated and altered medicines (often with horrible side effects and that cause lifelong dependence), especially if there are more natural ways to treat chronic medical problems that are being suppressed?
 

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Medicine is permitted in the Bible, most of it was natural. Though Biblical health principles are more about prevention than cure.

In the case of alcohol, the Bible never has anything good to say about alcohol (fermented wine) and its consequences. We are not to drink fermented wine in our daily lives at all. The Bible does not even tolerate moderate drinking. The apostles and Jesus never drank fermented wine either. They drank unfermented wine (grape juice).

Alcohol is only permitted to be used for medicinal purposes as in Proverbs 31:6-7 says, "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more." This text is talking about those who are perishing and those in distress. Biblically fermented wine was given to people who are dying and in a lot of pain. This was something the Jews did for the dying. When Jesus was on the cross dying, they gave him “wine mingled with myrrh” (Mark 15:23) but He refused to take it. Alcohol was used as a narcotic to help those who were dying and in agony.
Whether or not Christians are permitted to drink alcohol is one of those gray areas. The bible says it is sinful if a person has doubts but does anyway, or if a Christian drinks knowing another person who has troubles with alcohol might be tempted to drink excessively because they saw the Christian drink. Romans 14:21-23
IMO Christians need to keep in their mind that God will hold them accountable for their alcohol consumption along with everything else, so they had better be honest with themself whether it is wise for them to do it or not!

Well medicine mentioned in the bible was natural because people didn't have scientific laboratories back then, but the best medicines to mankind are often provided by God via nature! e.g. the drug digoxin is from the foxglove flower.
All varieties of opioids are from the opium poppy.
Those drugs certainly were not invented via modern laboratories!
 

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I have tried to make sense of this.

The closest i can get to it is that since A Freeman/Jah teach reincarnation as an irrefutable FACT, they would allege something along the lines of "if that body dies it's for the best because that person (sorry, i mean "spirit being" or something) will just return in a new better body that is able to live "in harmony with nature" unlike the previous "damaged" body".

I have posted this screenshot from the way home or the fire book before in another thread that shows this viewpoint.

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(Just being clear, not my viewpoint - I tend to not agree with things that insinuate that it would have been better had i or my children never existed)


The question would be, are natural, plant-derived medicines mentioned in the Bible the same moral equivalency to modern gene-manipulated and altered medicines (often with horrible side effects and that cause lifelong dependence), especially if there are more natural ways to treat chronic medical problems that are being suppressed?
It looks like Anthony John Hill's Law of Karma and reincarnation goes hand in hand with his being pro-eugenics.
Well JAHtruth would sort out UK's public health crises RE funding and all if his teachings were put into practice.... get rid of the sick, crippled and elderly because they'll be better off when they are reincarnated into healthy bodies!
 

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◄ 2 Kings 20 ►New King James Version
Hezekiah’s Life Extended

1In those days Hezekiah was sick and near death. And Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, went to him and said to him, “Thus says the Lord: ‘Set your house in order, for you shall die, and not live.’ ”
2Then he turned his face toward the wall, and prayed to the Lord, saying, 3“Remember now, O Lord, I pray, how I have walked before You in truth and with a loyal heart, and have done what was good in Your sight.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly.
4And it happened, before Isaiah had gone out into the middle court, that the word of the Lord came to him, saying, 5“Return and tell Hezekiah the leader of My people, ‘Thus says the Lord, the God of David your father: “I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; surely I will heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of the Lord. 6And I will add to your days fifteen years. I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for My own sake, and for the sake of My servant David.” ’ ”
7Then Isaiah said, “Take a lump of figs.” So they took and laid it on the boil, and he recovered.

So - we have a product from the natural world applied topically to an ailment and not for its nutritional value but for its active (perhaps anti-inflammatory?) properties.

What conclusions can be drawn?

Was Isaiah guilty of using sorcery and therefore guilty of the sin of witchcraft??!!

Did Isaiah employ the results of man’s scientific enquiry into the beneficial properties of plants to ease suffering?

As an aside, I notice that the healing process involved both a medical intervention AND a miraculous one, and that process was not condemned. Lots of lessons there…
 
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◄ 2 Kings 20 ►New King James Version
Hezekiah’s Life Extended

1In those days Hezekiah was sick and near death. And Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, went to him and said to him, “Thus says the Lord: ‘Set your house in order, for you shall die, and not live.’ ”
2Then he turned his face toward the wall, and prayed to the Lord, saying, 3“Remember now, O Lord, I pray, how I have walked before You in truth and with a loyal heart, and have done what was good in Your sight.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly.
4And it happened, before Isaiah had gone out into the middle court, that the word of the Lord came to him, saying, 5“Return and tell Hezekiah the leader of My people, ‘Thus says the Lord, the God of David your father: “I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; surely I will heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of the Lord. 6And I will add to your days fifteen years. I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for My own sake, and for the sake of My servant David.” ’ ”
7Then Isaiah said, “Take a lump of figs.” So they took and laid it on the boil, and he recovered.

So - we have a product from the natural world applied topically to an ailment and not for its nutritional value but for its active (perhaps anti-inflammatory?) properties.

What conclusions can be drawn?

Was Isaiah guilty of using sorcery and therefore guilty of the sin of witchcraft??!!

Did Isaiah employ the results of man’s scientific enquiry into the beneficial properties of plants to ease suffering?

As an aside, I notice that the healing process involved both a medical intervention AND a miraculous one, and that process was not condemned. Lots of lessons there…
If you hadn't posted it, i was going to. I've very often wondered why Christ healed the "man born blind" (John 9:6-7) in a different way from say Blind Bartimaeus (Mark 10:52)....maybe it just depends on the person's level of faith?? The previous account of healing isn't any different from how Hezekiah got healed.

That said, i remain fascinated by these two verses. Ezekiel 47:12 & Revelation 22:2
"fruit for food & their leaves are for healing of the nations"
 
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@A Freeman ‘s position on medicine puts me in mind of the JW edict on transfusions. Bad Bible teaching can lead to a bad prognosis.

https://www.medicalprotection.org/southafrica/casebook/casebook-may-2014/the-challenges-of-treating-jehovah's-witnesses
Unfortunately, these days, even if an individual is not against blood transfusions based on incorrect theology, there is a very real risk of being transfused with blood that is entirely or mostly from vaccinated individuals.
 
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It looks like Anthony John Hill's Law of Karma and reincarnation goes hand in hand with his being pro-eugenics.
Well JAHtruth would sort out UK's public health crises RE funding and all if his teachings were put into practice.... get rid of the sick, crippled and elderly because they'll be better off when they are reincarnated into healthy bodies!
Yeah, one of the first things that struck me when reading the JAH book was how there were so many similarities to the viewpoints that lead to eugenics, depopulation, widespread victim blaming, etc... how it's better for "nature" and how it is best if those who are "unfit" in whatever way are better off not existing, or are just a burden, that kind of thing. Which i thought was completely opposite to the many accounts in the Bible of people being healed of a variety of ailments.

I think i've mentioned before on the forum about how years before becoming a Christian i was exposed to and deceived by new age teachings. I now believe the prevalence of new age material was a direct attack on the population, on people like me who were leaving atheism and seeking truth. Many of these erroneous beliefs, leading to the conclusion that we should all just cease to exist for the sake of "nature", occured to me back when i was under that delusion, nothing original in the JAH book. Coincidentally these viewpoints lead to massive depopulation, hmmm...
 

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@A Freeman ‘s position on medicine puts me in mind of the JW edict on transfusions. Bad Bible teaching can lead to a bad prognosis.

https://www.medicalprotection.org/southafrica/casebook/casebook-may-2014/the-challenges-of-treating-jehovah's-witnesses
I wonder if @A Freeman is going to respond? He has made entries and even his own thread or two on the related topic after all.
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Any JAHtruth readers, I am not being a tool of Satan if I am trying to prevent deaths of Anthony John Hill's followers as well as him .
I am not trying to persecute or humiliate you all. I want you to have physical as well as spiritual life!
 
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Unfortunately, these days, even if an individual is not against blood transfusions based on incorrect theology, there is a very real risk of being transfused with blood that is entirely or mostly from vaccinated individuals.
Interestingly, that is one of the compelling reasons who the vax can’t be the MOTB. How could God judge someone for something so clearly not their moral fault?
 

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I have been praying that The Lord would lead me to foods to better take care of myself and I feel two things he led me to were raw honey from the hive and cold pressed extra virgin olive oil. Those were two food items pretty common in ancient Israel, but who knew they were so good for you. People acctually use them for their medicinal properties. If you consume the olive oil raw it's incredibly good for you and anti cancer, diabetes, inflammation and just about everything! Same with grapeseed and fermented wine. God knew best and gave his people the best!

I have been consuming it raw and chasing it down with a spoonful of raw honey. The medicinal properties only come from when you don't heat it up and use as cooking oil. I know it's powerful because I take it 3x a day 2tbsp at a time. It has a sedating effect and I don't remember being able to move my hands with such ease and fluidity!

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The most important words in all of Scripture are John 3:3-7. Unless it is correctly understood that each of us is a spiritual-Being (Soul) that is temporarily incarnating the human body seen in a mirror, it is impossible to understand anything spiritual.

Humans see everything upside down and backwards, calling what is good evil and calling what is evil good. And that is exactly what all humans are doing by exalting/idolizing doctors and their pharmaceutical drugs, chemotherapy and radiation, etc., instead of exalting and worshiping God.

The following is a brief summary of what God has told us about pharmacy/witchcraft and the witch doctors who prescribe and administer these poisons:-

From His Law:-

Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the "I AM" thy God, and wilt do that which is right in His eyes, and wilt give ear to His Commandments, and keep all His Statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I [am] the "I AM" that healeth thee.

See: Deuteronomy 28 for the blessings and the curses of The Law, where the blessings are bestowed upon those who keep The Law and the curses (penalty clause) -- which include all of the diseases of Egypt that lead to death -- to be experienced by all those who stubbornly refuse to keep The Law.

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

A "witch" isn't a fictional character dressed in a black robe with a pointy hat flying around on a broom; a witch is a PHARMACIST, mixing together chemical potions, aka a witch's brew.

2 Chronicles 16:12-13
16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease [was] exceeding [great]: yet in his disease he sought not to the "I AM", but to the physicians.
16:13 And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

Physicians are also known as doctors. Those doctors/physicians who are administering chemical poisons, as they did in Egypt (the first "vaccines" were administered by cutting the patient and rubbing a concoction on the open wound to get it directly into the bloodstream) are engaging in pharmacy/witchcraft.

Galatians 5:19-21
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, PHARMACY/WITCHCRAFT, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall NOT inherit The Kingdom of God.

In the original Greek, the word in Galatians 5:20 above following idolatry is pharmakeia, which is where the modern day word pharmacy originates. It is translated in the KJV as "witchcraft" and elsewhere as "sorcery". It was Simon (Pater), the sorcerer (pharmacist) in Acts 8:9-25 that was treating the people of Samaria with his concoctions (pharmacy), before he moved to Rome and became the first leader of their new religion known as "Christianity", which fused a mixture of pagan beliefs in with the Gospel message Simon Pater had heard from the disciples, including Simon Peter.


Revelation 9:20-21
9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils (liars), and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their SORCERIES (Greek: pharmakōn), nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.


Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the Earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations DECEIVED.


Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


Christ told us to seek FIRST the Kingdom of God (which is SPIRITUAL - God is a Spirit-Being - John 4:24) which, in this matter, means seek God's Guidance on why He has allowed the disease to occur, so that you can correct the errant behavior that caused the illness. That errant behavior may involve identifying something toxic in one's environment that they previously didn't realize they were being exposed to, or it may be some behavior or attitude of theirs toward others that is in need of correcting.

Instead of going through this problem identification process with God, most people reach for the medicine cabinet, or visit their local witch doctor/sorcerer to acquire some UNNATURAL chemical concoction to treat the symptoms of their illness. And when the human feels its life is threatened, it runs to these same witch doctors out of fear, placing their total trust in (worshiping) these witch doctors/sorcerers and their "modern medicines", i.e. pharmacy/witchcraft and radiation (a known carcinogen - how could something that causes cancer somehow cure it?).

There are NATURAL remedies that Father (God) has provided. Those who keep His Law/Commandments, and genuinely seek His Guidance, and appreciate His Correction will seek and find those natural remedies.

There is much more that could be shared, and that has already been shared elsewhere. For example, please see:

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/covid-19-western-medicine-pharmacy-witchcraft-in-scripture.8223/
 
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The post above has been shared for everyone's benefit, although not everyone will benefit from reading it.

It is impossible to use unnatural poisons (chemicals/pharmacy/witchcraft) to heal oneself. This should be intuitive, but most in this world are so completely enamored by these drugs and who worship the drug pushers will argue against it, so their body can continue poisoning itself and with it their minds.

Pharmaceutical drugs treat symptoms, to suppress those symptoms. A simple example of this are painkillers, which mask the pain that has been allowed to indicate that something is wrong. The painkillers don't address the root cause of the illness or dis-ease; they actually make the situation worse, because whatever has caused the dis-ease is still there and can grow.

Regardless of what humans may believe, we (the spiritual-Beings/Souls) have been here many times in different human bodies, so that God can teach us all of the lessons we need to learn. If, after 6000 years someone still believes that witches/sorcerers/pharmacists/doctors etc. hold the key to their health and happiness, then they have made their choice of their own free-will to place those individuals ABOVE God.

And yes, the magic virus scam (Covid-19) was a TEST, given to us to separate those who would still be ruled by fear and thus place their trust in the beast system of corporate fictional governments, the corporate fictional media, corporate fictional hospitals and their witch doctors, and the corporate fictional organized religions, all of which most have placed ABOVE God.

So IF you took the Covid-19 jab, you chose human science (falsely so-called knowledge) over God and His Love and Wisdom. How could anyone con themselves into believing that wasn't the MOTB? And worse yet, most who have done so are not only in a state of denial, but faithlessly blame God, as if over 3500 years of written warnings somehow wasn't enough.

Let the "dead" bury the dead. Let the faithful see and come to The Light. May Father's Will be done here on earth as it is in heaven.
 

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On the subject of "eugenics", since humans are looking at that too upside down and backwards, as they always do.

There are reportedly tens of millions of induced abortions annually. Every single piece of man-made legislation allowing "legal" abortion is actually legalizing murder, which is a capital crime under God's Law.

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/abortion.10755/

The medical and pharmaceutical industries are also responsible for the deaths of tens of millions annually. The following link provides an admission of this fact, although it tries to cover it up as medical errors and overdoses.


Vaccines, e.g. the Gardasil vaccine, are known to sterilize and/or cripple their victims, on top of murdering thousands and thousands of young women.

Euthanizing our elderly population through isolation in nursing homes and pharmacy is likewise a development of modern society, resulting in the suffering and premature deaths of millions.

Wars are also "legalized" murder, and are responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands every year, with that number experiencing an exponential rise during the two previous world wars, and the planned third world war, which is now imminent.

It should be self-evident that all of the methods of depopulation (eugenics) described above are unlawful according to our Creator and His Law. And yet most humans are okay with some or all of the above, which work AGAINST God and nature, at least until it affects them directly. If this wasn't so, then more people would be uniting to put an end to these horrific crimes and the suffering, pain and death that they cause.

ALL of the above are man-made (abortions, vaccines, hospitals, nursing homes, wars), and all of the above are against God, His Law and His nature (our natural surroundings).

When the same witch doctors and scientists build machines (e.g. incubators) and/or use chemicals to keep sickly, crippled infants artificially alive instead of letting nature take its course, they are also working AGAINST God and nature.

People routinely say "let God's Will be done" (it's part of The Lord's Prayer) without thinking about what that means. We cannot continue to work AGAINST God and nature (which God created) and honestly believe we are doing His Will.

God, Who is all-powerful and created both us (the spiritual-Beings) and the human animals that we temporarily incarnate, has a perfect system for keeping each species strong and viable: natural selection. Natural selection is simply the way nature weeds out the weak and crippled, so that the strongest hereditary traits are passed on to the next generation. It has absolutely nothing to do with Darwinism, which wrongly teaches that one species can somehow "evolve" into another species.

When man (humans) find new ways to circumvent the natural processes and natural selection that God has established for our benefit, they are working against God to INCREASE human pain and suffering.

Learn to place your faith in God (Matt. 6:33), where it belongs, instead of making idols out of witch doctors and their scientific machines (1 Tim. 5:20-21) and poisons (Gal. 5:19-21), which only make things worse.
 
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What a joke.

In the Bible, Jesus never said the blind man should have never been born, He healed him.

Same with the man who couldn't walk, or the leper. Or any of the other cases of healing.

But sure, let's twist scripture to say that the majority of the population should be dead and happy to be dead or have never existed. At least then there's no polluting of the precious gene pool.

Also, as I've said in a different thread, doctors/modern medicines don't/can't save everyone, so there is still a component of God's will, even if someone uses modern medicine.

Also, major strawman argument that everyone immediately runs to the allopaths instead of first trying out a variety of natural medicines and only uses the allopaths as a last resort. I guess if someone prays to God for help and the response they get is "go to the hospital" then it's not of God, even if it results in a life (or two) being saved.
 

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What a joke.
Poisoning people for profit, which is exactly what modern medicine and the pharmaceutical industry is doing, is no laughing matter.

In the Bible, Jesus never said the blind man should have never been born, He healed him.

Same with the man who couldn't walk, or the leper. Or any of the other cases of healing.
Who ever claimed that Jesus said that? I certainly didn't, which makes that a strawman argument.

And on that subject, if we are physically punished for our sins, and NEVER for the sins of our parents (Ezek. 18), as both The Law and Christ teach (e.g. see John 5:1-14), then why would a man be BORN blind? This is the question the disciples asked. The answer? Because the sins of that soul/spirit-Being in the previous human life needed to be manifested and corrected. There is no other logical answer, as God is always just and fair.

But sure, let's twist scripture to say that the majority of the population should be dead and happy to be dead or have never existed. At least then there's no polluting of the precious gene pool.
Who said that the majority of the population is born prematurely? Roughly 90-95% of all babies are NOT born prematurely, depending upon a variety of factors, including poverty level, nutrition, etc. And sadly, roughly 5-10% of premature infants die before the age of 5, with many others suffering from a variety of birth defects. All because people choose to let doctors play at being God, instead of leaving the matter up to God.

This too is yet another strawman argument on your part, and it is advocating making infants and children needlessly suffer, whether you acknowledge that fact or not.

Also, as I've said in a different thread, doctors/modern medicines don't/can't save everyone, so there is still a component of God's will, even if someone uses modern medicine.
Doctors and modern medicine have never saved anyone using pharmaceutical poisons, e.g. prescription drugs, chemotherapy and radiation.

God's Will is for us to avoid ALL pharmacy/witchcraft at ALL times, for our benefit. So there is no component of God's Will involved in the use of any pharmacy/witchcraft or radiation. How could it be God's Will for us to disobey His Instructions, given to us for our own benefit?

Also, major strawman argument that everyone immediately runs to the allopaths instead of first trying out a variety of natural medicines and only uses the allopaths as a last resort.
The pharmaceutical industry is reportedly a $1.4 TRILLION per year industry as of 2022, so it's hardly a strawman argument to suggest that most people in the West run to their witch-doctors for prescription drugs and/or to the pharmacy to grab whatever they can off-the-shelves or over the counter.


Suggesting otherwise is simply dishonest. Two-thirds of the global population taking the jab should make it obvious how willing most are to place their truth in allopathic medicine and their magic virus scam rather than in God.

I guess if someone prays to God for help and the response they get is "go to the hospital" then it's not of God, even if it results in a life (or two) being saved.
Anyone who prays to God and believes that God has told them to break His Commandments isn't listening to God, regardless of what they may believe.


 
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The most important words in all of Scripture are John 3:3-7. Unless it is correctly understood that each of us is a spiritual-Being (Soul) that is temporarily incarnating the human body seen in a mirror, it is impossible to understand anything spiritual.
To be born again John 3:3-7, 2 Corinthians 5:17 means to have faith in Jesus Christ, the one who died for us on Calvary and rose from the dead 1 Corinthians 15:1-8.
It doesn't being mean reincarnated into a new body and/or following Anthony John Hill's commandments like he falsely says.

Humans see everything upside down and backwards, calling what is good evil and calling what is evil good. And that is exactly what all humans are doing by exalting/idolizing doctors and their pharmaceutical drugs, chemotherapy and radiation, etc., instead of exalting and worshiping God.
That is a massive overgeneralisation, but yes people can idolize doctors etc way more than they deserve. People too often forget that God uses doctors to heal us and therefore give medical system/ drugs too much credit.

The following is a brief summary of what God has told us about pharmacy/witchcraft and the witch doctors who prescribe and administer these poisons:-

From His Law:-

Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the "I AM" thy God, and wilt do that which is right in His eyes, and wilt give ear to His Commandments, and keep all His Statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I [am] the "I AM" that healeth thee.
WRONG. There is no mention of drugs or doctors in that passage.
In fact, the verse just before shows God ADDED something to the water.
Exodus 15:25 And he cried unto the Lord; and the Lord shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,

See: Deuteronomy 28 for the blessings and the curses of The Law, where the blessings are bestowed upon those who keep The Law and the curses (penalty clause) -- which include all of the diseases of Egypt that lead to death -- to be experienced by all those who stubbornly refuse to keep The Law.
Show one verse from Deuteronomy 28 where God clearly commands the Israelites not to take drugs/ potions.

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

A "witch" isn't a fictional character dressed in a black robe with a pointy hat flying around on a broom; a witch is a PHARMACIST, mixing together chemical potions, aka a witch's brew.
A witch used/uses sorcery, potions used to open pathways to the forbidden spiritual world. motive motive motive. What does the bible say about witches?

2 Chronicles 16:12-13 [KoK]
16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease [was] exceeding [great]: yet in his disease he sought not to the "I AM", but to the physicians.
16:13 And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign
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Look at previous chapter. 2 Chronicles 15
Asa was told to have faith in God and he disobeyed Him. Asa was warned but he chose to believe in physicians, not God. Therefore if Asa had been told it was God's will to use physicians, Asa would have been healed.

2 Chronicles 15: 1 And the Spirit of God came upon Azariah the son of Oded:
2 And he went out to meet Asa, and said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin; The Lord is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.


Physicians are also known as doctors. Those doctors/physicians who are administering chemical poisons, as they did in Egypt (the first "vaccines" were administered by cutting the patient and rubbing a concoction on the open wound to get it directly into the bloodstream) are engaging in pharmacy/witchcraft.
That is an interesting claim. Can you please give a link to a scientific/ historical website [i.e. not a JAHtruth-friendly website] that supports you?
In the original Greek, the word in Galatians 5:20 above following idolatry is pharmakeia, which is where the modern day word pharmacy originates. It is translated in the KJV as "witchcraft" and elsewhere as "sorcery". It was Simon (Pater), the sorcerer (pharmacist) in Acts 8:9-25 that was treating the people of Samaria with his concoctions (pharmacy), before he moved to Rome and became the first leader of their new religion known as "Christianity", which fused a mixture of pagan beliefs in with the Gospel message Simon Pater had heard from the disciples, including Simon Peter.
Acts 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.


Again, the word is SORCERY. Look at WHY Simon was using sorcery - it was not for medical treatment!!!!

The other bible verses you quote all use the word SORCERY and have no surrounding words or sentences to suggest it God was condemning medicines for illnesses.
Christ told us to seek FIRST the Kingdom of God (which is SPIRITUAL - God is a Spirit-Being - John 4:24) which, in this matter, means seek God's Guidance on why He has allowed the disease to occur, so that you can correct the errant behavior that caused the illness.
There is nothing to suggest God is referring to disease/ illness.
See search results, limited to New Testament: "Kingdom of God"

[Jesus said to the woman at the well]
John 4:24 [KJV] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Anthony John Hill will have a lot to answer for on Judgement Day, adding words to the bible to support his heresies.

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Enough for this entry. The rest of your entry is AJH's over-generalised claims.
 
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