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Similarities Between Jesus and Dionysus
The similarities between Jesus and Dionysus, two prominent figures in religious history, have been a subject of scholarly debate for centuries. Some of the most notable parallels include:

Divine Birth: Both figures are claimed to have been born of a virgin mother, a motif common in various mythologies.
Miracles: Both are associated with performing miraculous acts, such as healing the sick, casting out demons, and even raising the dead.

Crucifixion and Resurrection: While the circumstances are different, both figures are said to have suffered a sacrificial death and subsequently resurrected.

Sacrament of Communion: The Christian Eucharist and the Dionysian mysteries both involve the consumption of a sacred substance (bread and wine) as a symbol of divine union.

Association with Wine: Both Jesus and Dionysus are closely linked to wine. Jesus turned water into wine at a wedding feast, while Dionysus is often depicted as the god of wine and revelry.

Following: Both figures had dedicated followers who believed in their divine nature and teachings.

It's important to note that while these similarities exist, there are also significant differences between the two figures, particularly in terms of their theological and philosophical teachings. Some scholars argue that these similarities are a result of cultural diffusion or shared archetypal motifs, while others believe they indicate a deeper connection between the two religions.

Dionysus's mother was Semele.

Semele was a mortal princess who was seduced by Zeus, the king of the gods. When Semele became pregnant, Hera, Zeus's jealous wife, tricked her into asking Zeus to reveal himself in all his glory. The intense light of Zeus's divine form proved too much for Semele, and she was consumed by fire. However, Zeus managed to save the unborn Dionysus, who was then sewn into Zeus's thigh and carried to full term

Dionysus's father was Zeus, the king of the gods in Greek mythology. Zeus had a romantic affair with Semele, a mortal princess, and Dionysus was the result of this union.
Yes, but with the difference that Dionysus has a cult, which goes to extremes... Whether it is sexual, even in the Stories and practicing in certain cases, sacrifices. And Gnosis was inspired by it. As certain religions or cults have evolved through time, being able to be inspired, or even take the ideology, use it, change or modify it.

By the way, Youtube recommended this video to me:
I later came across this site, where he describes the connection between Scientology and Gnosis:
La scientologie : des affinités avec la religion gnostique et les religions orientales (ericroux.com)

+ Another link, which I want to remember and which is just as interesting:
Un objet de recherche pour les sciences humaines | BnF Essentiels
 
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I have a little question about the use of the Owl and its connection with the Goddess. At home, I have sculptures (of probably symbolic origin, or not). Which represent an owl at each edge of the chimney, owls have eyes that are formed with the golden ratio. Geometry, to make sculptures was common, for the manufacture of the symbols of the Druids; as well as sculptures. The chimney represents the end, but as we compare the oven of today to a preparation of the child (which is represented by the small bread). And besides, the Pakistani sculptures, represent the father grinding a bread dough, with a large stick (while normally it is the women, who do it, since the Man hunts). So I wonder, if the owl represents the body of the woman. The eyes of the owl, the chest and the body, the torso of the woman; the eggs, the ovules of the woman. A symbol of a torso, whose arms and legs are cut off or destroyed, as in ancient times represents only the body, but to avoid the morbid or is just representative. It is covered with hair, etc.:
déesse fertilité – Histoire de l'Art et du Sacré (blogostelle.com)
As customs have evolved and intertwined. Maybe he was using the idea of concentrating chakra. Well, it's an idea, although it's interesting, thinking of the statues that are used on the bodies of the dead in Egypt, or the coins.

P.S. The fire/fire of life (light) either of the father or of the child (symbolically of the son), whose yellow/gold color, can symbolically cover the mother and her symbols.
 
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I have a little question about the use of the Owl and its connection with the Goddess. At home, I have sculptures (of probably symbolic origin, or not). Which represent an owl at each edge of the chimney, owls have eyes that are formed with the golden ratio. Geometry, to make sculptures was common, for the manufacture of the symbols of the Druids; as well as sculptures. The chimney represents the end, but as we compare the oven of today to a preparation of the child (which is represented by the small bread). And besides, the Pakistani sculptures, represent the father grinding a bread dough, with a large stick (while normally it is the women, who do it, since the Man hunts). So I wonder, if the owl represents the body of the woman. The eyes of the owl, the chest and the body, the torso of the woman; the eggs, the ovules of the woman. A symbol of a torso, whose arms and legs are cut off or destroyed, as in ancient times represents only the body, but to avoid the morbid or is just representative. It is covered with hair, etc.:
déesse fertilité – Histoire de l'Art et du Sacré (blogostelle.com)
As customs have evolved and intertwined. Maybe he was using the idea of concentrating chakra. Well, it's an idea, although it's interesting, thinking of the statues that are used on the bodies of the dead in Egypt, or the coins.

P.S. The fire/fire of life (light) either of the father or of the child (symbolically of the son), whose yellow/gold color, can symbolically cover the mother and her symbols.
Moses says he saw GOD as a FIRE (The burning bush).
Muslims believe that JINNS are made of fire.
God also says that the DEVIL (Iblis) is made of fire.

Christians have a multifaceted view of fire. It's often seen as a symbol of God's presence, judgment, purification, and spiritual passion.

Here are some key beliefs:

  • God's Presence: Fire is often associated with God's presence, as seen in the burning bush that appeared to Moses (Exodus 3:2-3). This symbolizes God's holiness and power.
  • Judgment and Purification: In the Old Testament, fire is often used as a symbol of God's judgment and purification. For example, the Israelites were instructed to offer sacrifices by fire (Leviticus 1). This represents the cleansing of sins.
  • Spiritual Passion: In the New Testament, fire is associated with the Holy Spirit. John the Baptist described the Messiah as coming to baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire (Matthew 3:11). This symbolizes the intense spiritual experience and transformation that comes through faith in Jesus Christ.
  • Eternal Judgment: Christians believe in a final judgment, often symbolized by fire. This represents the eternal consequences of one's choices in life.
While these are general beliefs, specific interpretations may vary among different Christian denominations and individuals.

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Moses says he saw GOD as a FIRE (The burning bush).
Muslims believe that JINNS are made of fire.
God also says that the DEVIL (Iblis) is made of fire.

Christians have a multifaceted view of fire. It's often seen as a symbol of God's presence, judgment, purification, and spiritual passion.

Here are some key beliefs:

  • God's Presence: Fire is often associated with God's presence, as seen in the burning bush that appeared to Moses (Exodus 3:2-3). This symbolizes God's holiness and power.
  • Judgment and Purification: In the Old Testament, fire is often used as a symbol of God's judgment and purification. For example, the Israelites were instructed to offer sacrifices by fire (Leviticus 1). This represents the cleansing of sins.
  • Spiritual Passion: In the New Testament, fire is associated with the Holy Spirit. John the Baptist described the Messiah as coming to baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire (Matthew 3:11). This symbolizes the intense spiritual experience and transformation that comes through faith in Jesus Christ.
  • Eternal Judgment: Christians believe in a final judgment, often symbolized by fire. This represents the eternal consequences of one's choices in life.
While these are general beliefs, specific interpretations may vary among different Christian denominations and individuals.

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Small supplement:
Light without smoke = simply light. It must be good in the desert. So, like smoke, it burns, without smoke (except for the water that vaporizes). But you understood it very well.
 
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Small supplement:
Light without smoke = simply light. It must be good in the desert. So, like smoke, it burns, without smoke (except for the water that vaporizes). But you understood it very well.
FIRE is also the MALE element.

WATER being the Female element
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Why would a news presenter on Sky News be named after the DEVIL?

any guesses?

Yes, I also researched a lot on this part, after noticing that religions had too many things in common. This is the first paragraph. It's over:
 
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I have a little question about the use of the Owl and its connection with the Goddess. At home, I have sculptures (of probably symbolic origin, or not). Which represent an owl at each edge of the chimney, owls have eyes that are formed with the golden ratio. Geometry, to make sculptures was common, for the manufacture of the symbols of the Druids; as well as sculptures. The chimney represents the end, but as we compare the oven of today to a preparation of the child (which is represented by the small bread). And besides, the Pakistani sculptures, represent the father grinding a bread dough, with a large stick (while normally it is the women, who do it, since the Man hunts). So I wonder, if the owl represents the body of the woman. The eyes of the owl, the chest and the body, the torso of the woman; the eggs, the ovules of the woman. A symbol of a torso, whose arms and legs are cut off or destroyed, as in ancient times represents only the body, but to avoid the morbid or is just representative. It is covered with hair, etc.:
déesse fertilité – Histoire de l'Art et du Sacré (blogostelle.com)
As customs have evolved and intertwined. Maybe he was using the idea of concentrating chakra. Well, it's an idea, although it's interesting, thinking of the statues that are used on the bodies of the dead in Egypt, or the coins.

P.S. The fire/fire of life (light) either of the father or of the child (symbolically of the son), whose yellow/gold color, can symbolically cover the mother and her symbols.
Owls have a rich symbolism across cultures and throughout history. Their nocturnal habits, keen eyesight, and distinctive calls have often associated them with wisdom, mystery, and the unseen.

Here are some common meanings or symbolism associated with owls:

Wisdom and Knowledge:

  • Owls are often seen as symbols of wisdom due to their ability to see in the dark, representing the ability to perceive the unseen or hidden truths.
  • Their silent flight and keen observation have been linked to intellectual pursuits and deep understanding.
Mystery and the Occult:

  • Owls are often associated with the supernatural or occult due to their nocturnal activities.
  • They have been linked to magic, divination, and the otherworldly.
Death and Transformation:

  • In some cultures, owls are seen as harbingers of death or as symbols of transformation.
  • Their association with the night and the underworld can represent endings and new beginnings.
Guardian and Protector:

  • In some Native American cultures, owls are considered guardians or protectors of the night.
  • They are believed to watch over people while they sleep and to ward off evil spirits.
Solitude and Introspection:

  • Owls are often seen as solitary creatures, and their association with the night can represent introspection and contemplation.
It's important to note that the symbolism of owls can vary depending on cultural context and individual beliefs. In some cultures, owls may have negative connotations or be associated with bad luck.
 
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I have a little question about the use of the Owl and its connection with the Goddess. At home, I have sculptures (of probably symbolic origin, or not). Which represent an owl at each edge of the chimney, owls have eyes that are formed with the golden ratio. Geometry, to make sculptures was common, for the manufacture of the symbols of the Druids; as well as sculptures. The chimney represents the end, but as we compare the oven of today to a preparation of the child (which is represented by the small bread). And besides, the Pakistani sculptures, represent the father grinding a bread dough, with a large stick (while normally it is the women, who do it, since the Man hunts). So I wonder, if the owl represents the body of the woman. The eyes of the owl, the chest and the body, the torso of the woman; the eggs, the ovules of the woman. A symbol of a torso, whose arms and legs are cut off or destroyed, as in ancient times represents only the body, but to avoid the morbid or is just representative. It is covered with hair, etc.:
déesse fertilité – Histoire de l'Art et du Sacré (blogostelle.com)
As customs have evolved and intertwined. Maybe he was using the idea of concentrating chakra. Well, it's an idea, although it's interesting, thinking of the statues that are used on the bodies of the dead in Egypt, or the coins.

P.S. The fire/fire of life (light) either of the father or of the child (symbolically of the son), whose yellow/gold color, can symbolically cover the mother and her symbols.
 
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I have a little question about the use of the Owl and its connection with the Goddess. At home, I have sculptures (of probably symbolic origin, or not). Which represent an owl at each edge of the chimney, owls have eyes that are formed with the golden ratio. Geometry, to make sculptures was common, for the manufacture of the symbols of the Druids; as well as sculptures. The chimney represents the end, but as we compare the oven of today to a preparation of the child (which is represented by the small bread). And besides, the Pakistani sculptures, represent the father grinding a bread dough, with a large stick (while normally it is the women, who do it, since the Man hunts). So I wonder, if the owl represents the body of the woman. The eyes of the owl, the chest and the body, the torso of the woman; the eggs, the ovules of the woman. A symbol of a torso, whose arms and legs are cut off or destroyed, as in ancient times represents only the body, but to avoid the morbid or is just representative. It is covered with hair, etc.:
déesse fertilité – Histoire de l'Art et du Sacré (blogostelle.com)
As customs have evolved and intertwined. Maybe he was using the idea of concentrating chakra. Well, it's an idea, although it's interesting, thinking of the statues that are used on the bodies of the dead in Egypt, or the coins.

P.S. The fire/fire of life (light) either of the father or of the child (symbolically of the son), whose yellow/gold color, can symbolically cover the mother and her symbols.
In Twin Peaks, the phrase "Owls are not what they seem" is a cryptic clue or riddle associated with the mysterious nature of the town and its inhabitants.

The phrase is first mentioned by the character Laura Palmer, who repeats it in her diary. It's later echoed by other characters throughout the series, often in conjunction with supernatural or enigmatic events.

While the exact meaning of the phrase is left open to interpretation, it suggests that there is a deeper, hidden reality to the owls and, by extension, to the town itself. It could imply that owls are more than just birds; they might be symbolic of something else, perhaps a supernatural force or a hidden secret.

The phrase is a recurring theme in the series, adding to the overall air of mystery and suspense.
 

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Thank you, Mohammed.

And when I think owl, I also think rats. Even, before having seen the scene in the last film of "The Nutcracker and the Four Realms" by Disney. On Christmas Eve, everyone has a gift, which they must follow using a red thread. So she passes, she shrinks, passes through a clock where she discovers, that she has shrunk. And sees her father in the middle of the crowd, who is looking for her. When, during this time, time is slowed down. She then contains her path and goes into a corridor, where there are tons of rats. Then, the rats become owls. And every time I see rats, like, when I look at the fact, that they often use it as a character, the most important ones. Like Jerry, or even Mickey, at Disney. But, apart from that we have assumed, that they work hidden. I really do not know, what it represents... I have not found anything...
 
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Thank you, Mohammed.

And when I think owl, I also think rats. Even, before having seen the scene in the last film of "The Nutcracker and the Four Realms" by Disney. On Christmas Eve, everyone has a gift, which they must follow using a red thread. So she passes, she shrinks, passes through a clock where she discovers, that she has shrunk. And sees her father in the middle of the crowd, who is looking for her. When, during this time, time is slowed down. She then contains her path and goes into a corridor, where there are tons of rats. Then, the rats become owls. And every time I see rats, like, when I look at the fact, that they often use it as a character, the most important ones. Like Jerry, or even Mickey, at Disney. But, apart from that we have assumed, that they work hidden. I really do not know, what it represents... I have not found anything...
im not too sure on this...i do think that rats are symbolic of human cloning with rats and mice.

There isn't a specific deity primarily associated with rats in ancient times. While rats were often considered pests, they weren't typically worshipped or feared in the same way as other animals or natural forces.

However, in some cultures, rats were associated with specific deities or had symbolic meanings. For example:

  • In ancient Egypt, rats were associated with the goddess Bastet, who was often depicted as a cat. While cats were revered, rats were seen as their prey and were not held in high esteem.
  • In Hindu mythology, rats are associated with Ganesh, the elephant-headed god. His vehicle is a mouse or rat, which symbolizes overcoming obstacles and perseverance.
It's important to note that these associations are often secondary and not the primary focus of worship or mythology. The deities themselves often have broader roles and responsibilities within their respective pantheons.
 
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Thank you, Mohammed.

And when I think owl, I also think rats. Even, before having seen the scene in the last film of "The Nutcracker and the Four Realms" by Disney. On Christmas Eve, everyone has a gift, which they must follow using a red thread. So she passes, she shrinks, passes through a clock where she discovers, that she has shrunk. And sees her father in the middle of the crowd, who is looking for her. When, during this time, time is slowed down. She then contains her path and goes into a corridor, where there are tons of rats. Then, the rats become owls. And every time I see rats, like, when I look at the fact, that they often use it as a character, the most important ones. Like Jerry, or even Mickey, at Disney. But, apart from that we have assumed, that they work hidden. I really do not know, what it represents... I have not found anything...
Yes, in some Hindu traditions, rats are considered sacred and are worshipped.

The most prominent deity associated with rats is Ganesh, the elephant-headed god often depicted as riding a mouse or rat. This association symbolizes overcoming obstacles and perseverance.

While not all Hindus worship rats, those who do see them as a representation of Ganesh and a symbol of good fortune. It's important to note that the specific practices and beliefs related to rat worship can vary among different Hindu sects and regions.
 
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Rats and owls share a few characteristics:

  • Nocturnal: Both rats and owls are primarily active at night. This adaptation helps them avoid predators and find food in environments with fewer competitors.
  • Predators: While owls are apex predators, rats can also be considered predators, especially in urban environments where they may prey on insects, small mammals, and even garbage.
  • Important roles in ecosystems: Both rats and owls play important roles in their respective ecosystems. Rats can help control populations of insects and other small animals, while owls are crucial for maintaining balance in food chains.
It's worth noting that while they share these characteristics, they also have significant differences in terms of their physical appearance, habitat preferences, and hunting strategies.
 
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