BTS discussion thread

[theartbook35]

The complicated reality for YG and BT5 as a whole, is that exclusivity we talked about on here a few pages back. Samsung signed with the group, and even though it was only YG with a controversy, that could still be a breach of contract. I assume this because it wouldn't make sense for Samsung not to say that the group as a whole or individual members can't have controversies that'd impact the group's image.

So in the article I shared above, when the Samsung rep. mentions YG leaving BT5, this exclusivity is what they're referring to. Due to the potential contract violation, they cannot conduct business with the group anymore, unless the cause of the contract violation leaves. But I think the issue too is that even if he does leave, his controversy could have broke the contract between BT5 and Samsung, so the group might lose their deal with Samsung anyway. Might. Because like they said, they could also keep BT5 as ambassadors if YG leaves. Or, conversely, they drop BT5 as a whole.

What I wonder about is how this DUI issue is going to effect future brand deals for the group. Will there be a lot of "Yeah, no thanks" from brands, or will they still get brand deals because of their immense popularity internationally?

It's a weird position too because if YG stays, the BT5 image is damaged to some extent. If he leaves, the BT5 OT7 brand is damaged to some extent. However, Koreans are very big on supporting the remaining members. I think international fans are the ones who will be harder to win over with a six member line up.

 

[Beautiful]

Jk has a road accident scene in his song
V also has a road accident scene in his mv

Do you think this may be related to sg incident, predictive programming? what do u guys think

 

[Strawberrypie]

BTS created BTS! 'Pop Star Academy: KATSEYE' documentary trailer ignites ARMY fury over HYBE creating the boy group...

The series has been produced by HYBE, Interscope Films, and Boardwalk Pictures and will stream on Netflix on August 21, 2024.

Updated : August 06, 2024 07:38 PM IST
Karen Noronha

Pop Star Academy: KATSEYE

BTS created BTS! 'Pop Star Academy: KATSEYE' documentary trailer ignites ARMY fury over HYBE creating the boy group

BTS created BTS! 'Pop Star Academy: KATSEYE' documentary trailer ignites ARMY fury over HYBE creating the boy group

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BT7 and the @rmy name are something B@ng created. It's a product, and not just 7 creative men getting together to make music. Even with their own talents, Hybe molded them into their current forms. They're always crying over every tiny thing.

 

[Strawberrypie]

But if Suga's scandal,was a cover or a distraction from something else?

Maybe a way out? Hybe was exposed for working with loansharks. There's a lot of debt.

 

[minnie82]

Maybe a way out? Hybe was exposed for working with loansharks. There's a lot of debt.

Yes i'm not surprised ,everything could be possible

 

[e-Enoch]

 

[e-Enoch]

Maybe a way out? Hybe was exposed for working with loansharks. There's a lot of debt.

As a corporation/conglomerate, Hybe is prohibited from taking loans from illegal sources such as from loansharks because it will lose its license to operate...

 

[theartbook35]

As a corporation/conglomerate, Hybe is prohibited from taking loans from illegal sources such as from loansharks because it will lose its license to operate...

Yeah, if they were truly exposed then they would be inoperable. SK gov't isn't going to allow any company, even one as large as Hive, to continue if they had actually taken money from loansharks.

Unless...

They did it prior to BT5's debut, and/or during their early debut years. See, some things made sense like the TV appearances, a lucky stage collab in 2014 during MAMA, but the intense popularity of GLAM early on and the suddenly good promotion, then the blackmailing incident, is suspicious. There's no direct evidence of loansharks, but Bang Pedo's bank account wasn't a bottomless pit so the surprise wealth and opportunities had to come from somewhere. BH was a company that nobody had heard of, and even with Pedo as the CEO, they didn't have the reputation to earn any kind of promotion or deals. (Think of groups from YG and SM that get a brand deal right as they debut). And maybe, just maybe, it was so long ago and BH was so unknown back then that they got away with it. That's all speculative, of course.

Would BH or Hive mess around with loansharks today? Lol, they make billions annually so no, I don't think so.

 

[e-Enoch]

Lol! This American host doesn’t even know Jungkook's name...introduces him as "Dynamite..."

Jungkook reaction when the host called him Dynamite #fypシ゚#viral#jungkook#bts @Bangtan_boys13.7

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[e-Enoch]

RunJin episode...Jin & kids having a brat off...

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

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[minnie82]

Lol! This American host doesn’t even know Jungkook's name...introduces him as "Dynamite..."

Jungkook reaction when the host called him Dynamite #fypシ゚#viral#jungkook#bts @Bangtan_boys13.7

youtube.com

That's hilarious

 

[daughter of the most high]

Guys Taemin danced with Ashley Everett Beyonce's dance captain and other top-class dancers who have worked for Madonna, MJ, Beyonce etc on Music Bank today for a performance worth $37 loll (I just learned they pay idols only $36-37 for music show performances)


I wanna ask have BTS ever danced with world renown dancers like this? Like in real time for a performance? I know they have collabed with many western artists but most of those collabs felt like cash grabs to me and that JkayxUsher Collab just proved how good Usher is compared to Jkay. I wanna see them perform with world-class dancers to measure how talented they actually are and whether they can keep up with world class professionals

oh boy you are seriously blind…black dancers black magic. water worship. mami wata. juju. voodoo mixed with shamanism you can imagine.

that’s not something you should be happy about in fact it should ring the ALRAM of how deep in the occult he is…

lilith/jezebel taking over

sexy in the air->sex in the air->perverse spirit in the air that’s what it’s all about. veil off. veil open. veil between the dimensions rips off.
perversion spirit=love of venus=perverse/twisted love

once you understand that dancing is literally fighting in the spirit and so is singing then everything will become clear i hope… so you can imagine the spells people’s dear taemin is putting upon them. those how people become obsessed because of the spells and because the fans are already in the web of satan because of the spells coming from their very own family members (yes im speaking of words the words said the words you say have the power to tie you up in ways you cant imagine and prepare you for an even bigger web web within web)

 

[yoongiyoongi]

First of all I am not fangirling over him or anything. I posted this in the other thread too just to point out that Korean idols and dancers are stiff and soulless looking compared to black dancers and what do you mean black dancers = black magic that's very racist imo. I wanted to praise black people for their skills. It was a fun post not something serious.

secondly, I know they put spells in songs and all the things you said about dancing and singing I already know them and already explained to people in one of my previous posts about altered states of consciousness, Brain Waves, Psychedelics, magic, songs, Carl Jung and their connection but I don't like to repeat the same thing over and over for every kpop artist because they all do the same things and I don't have the time to analyze symbolism in every video.

Thirdly, not everything they show in their MVs is about magic. A lot of things are related to other things happening in their lives like problems with their labels e.g Britney Spears and her cries for help or Jonghyun putting the hint about his suicide in his video for Lonely and just other normal things happening in their lives because at the end of the day they too are human with human problems. This is why I don't see MVs with pure this is satanic, magic, blasphemic propaganda content but if I know the idol or his group's background and try to connect it to their lives as well and just to tell you I had been predicting Taemin would leave SM since 2020 when no one on this Forum even thought about it and people used to say he would stay with SM forever because he is their favorite or how all the symbolism about him being tied in his MVs or getting hurt is just an aesthetic and nothing related to his personal life. I also predicted his mental breakdown in the military as well and everything about SM and him not being on good terms because he asked for more creative control. Every single thing I have predicted about him turned out to be correct so far so I know how to understand and analyse MVs as well and I understood most of the symbolism about sex = inspiration and ritual AND how it is connecting to his personal life as well as his previous MV Guilty and lyrics of his previous song Advice. I also am a science nerd so I understood ALL the symbolism about Spatial/Event Horizon, Schrodinger's cat, Butterfly Effect, Wave-Particle duality, Multiverse theory, Deja Vu Phenomenon, Wormholes, and Action-Potential shown in the MVs and his live performances as well as understood how it may be connected to dimension hopping, inter-dimension communication, demon posession/spirits even before you mentioned them. So don't just assume that someone doesn't know anything about the satanism propaganda just because they made a fun post not related to satanism interpretation in their MVs. I used to post a lot on these forums my own analysis in the past and most of the things I predicted except a few turned out to be correct IRL even if I don't have as much in-depth knowledge about magick as you. I just don't have the time or patience to sit down and make long essay like posts about every other group or even about SHINee who were the group I mostly followed.

at the end of the day we know that when companies try to be inclusive they have multiple aims behind that, not everything is done because they appreciate foreigners and their skill. they are trying to draw in audiences. they have selfish and shameless intentions. doesn't mean they value their skills and art when they constantly steal from black people, show discrimination and barely credit them anyway. there are spiritual layers to why they also brought african dancers. people are making it seem as if korea is finally showcasing raw talent from african dancers to "show them how to dance" and other wild things people are saying its quite annoying and weird

the point about black dancers = witchcraft is not what she was saying, what she said is far from racist for many reasons. shamanism was also mentioned which also talks about korean spirituality and dances so ? you should think about it carefully, research or just simply ask her questions without accusing her of something so severe because you don't want to understand the point that was correcting the way you view what was going on. Its a common thing among dancers regardless of race to mix in spirituality into their dances and invoke spirits into themselves before they dance, and during their dances. its not uncommon for african dancers to admit that they feel more spiritually connected to their dances when they follow their own spirituality to aid them in how they dance because it is worship and only they can execute it well cause those deities connect with them when you are native. you can easily find how certain african dancers/ dance moves/ technique/choreography/ energy are inspired by their spirituality. indian dancers do the same thing as well. there's spirituality in dances and they are doing it on stage, its nothing new. what daughter of the most high said was very clear because you said "Guys Taemin danced with Ashley Everett Beyonce's dance captain and other top-class dancers who have worked for Madonna, MJ, Beyonce etc on Music Bank today for a performance" you excitedly shared information on this and how taemin did something so outstanding bts has never done? how can you overlook how dangerous that is and mock bts about something so irrelevant? i hope taemin, bts and more idols never ever invite more dancers that are deep in the occult to korea very soon !! the kpop industry is falling apart and it shall end the puppet entertainment for good.

daughter of the most high was simply telling you there is more to why they hired them on stage and you should not have rushed so quickly to praise him on it and everything else you said because that is not important and its not the focus for idols like him who are pushing agendas and need help away from that industry. black dancers used was not majorly because he is such a good dancer, they respect him and wanted to dance with him so so badly and because he loves black people art and dancing. its not just because oh he is so nice and breaking korean stigma by doing things bts can not do because they are cowards and do not have talent. those african dancers like YOU said worked with very terrible people very huge idols that cause people to stumble. beyonce, micheal jackson, and madonna are are top level satanists so it clearly means the dancers who work with such evil people were used there because of the song theme and focus and because of how high taemin has risen in that evil industry which is concerning for him and says alot about his status. she is not saying every talented black dancer you see does black magic, only those in the industry who work with high satanist people obviously.

beyoncé's dancers are worshippers of oshun like she is, they have done dances to oshun and many other high level witchcraft dances to deities that beyonce performs all the time. so taemin working with dancers who are used to african ritualtic sexual satanic dances is a risk for him and those watching on screens and those in person enjoying the performance and planning to imitate it. their dances for his song is connected to the deities they worship and so much more. we already know how beyonce concerts affect people and make them crazy and sexual. mj performance's w his dancers made women go insane over him. madonna's dancers are self explanatory considering how she has always been extremely sexual with her dances and songs. taemin bringing all these dancers together for such a song is alarming !!! you say it was a fun post but it is ignorant and insensitive for many reasons!! it reflects how little you realized about what was going on with the dancers and all. you can admire his talent and dancing without bringing up irrelevant things and missing the point of his comeback and why they are there

this song is also called sexy in the air. you do not understand the connection between water worship, mami wata juju and beyonce and madonna and mj african dancers in this sexy song because its all about marine spirits, sexual energy and how they overtake people and so much more. taemins song and dances is highly influenced by marine spirits, those african dancers are aware of how it is connected to africa and africa spirituality so much! there's so much to say on this and you should have just asked her to prove her point even more

 

[yoongiyoongi]

First of all I am not fangirling over him or anything. I posted this in the other thread too just to point out that Korean idols and dancers are stiff and soulless looking compared to black dancers and what do you mean black dancers = black magic that's very racist imo. I wanted to praise black people for their skills. It was a fun post not something serious.

secondly, I know they put spells in songs and all the things you said about dancing and singing I already know them and already explained to people in one of my previous posts about altered states of consciousness, Brain Waves, Psychedelics, magic, songs, Carl Jung and their connection but I don't like to repeat the same thing over and over for every kpop artist because they all do the same things and I don't have the time to analyze symbolism in every video.

Thirdly, not everything they show in their MVs is about magic. A lot of things are related to other things happening in their lives like problems with their labels e.g Britney Spears and her cries for help or Jonghyun putting the hint about his suicide in his video for Lonely and just other normal things happening in their lives because at the end of the day they too are human with human problems. This is why I don't see MVs with pure this is satanic, magic, blasphemic propaganda content but if I know the idol or his group's background and try to connect it to their lives as well and just to tell you I had been predicting Taemin would leave SM since 2020 when no one on this Forum even thought about it and people used to say he would stay with SM forever because he is their favorite or how all the symbolism about him being tied in his MVs or getting hurt is just an aesthetic and nothing related to his personal life. I also predicted his mental breakdown in the military as well and everything about SM and him not being on good terms because he asked for more creative control. Every single thing I have predicted about him turned out to be correct so far so I know how to understand and analyse MVs as well and I understood most of the symbolism about sex = inspiration and ritual AND how it is connecting to his personal life as well as his previous MV Guilty and lyrics of his previous song Advice. I also am a science nerd so I understood ALL the symbolism about Spatial/Event Horizon, Schrodinger's cat, Butterfly Effect, Wave-Particle duality, Multiverse theory, Deja Vu Phenomenon, Wormholes, and Action-Potential shown in the MVs and his live performances as well as understood how it may be connected to dimension hopping, inter-dimension communication, demon posession/spirits even before you mentioned them. So don't just assume that someone doesn't know anything about the satanism propaganda just because they made a fun post not related to satanism interpretation in their MVs. I used to post a lot on these forums my own analysis in the past and most of the things I predicted except a few turned out to be correct IRL even if I don't have as much in-depth knowledge about magick as you. I just don't have the time or patience to sit down and make long essay like posts about every other group or even about SHINee who were the group I mostly followed.

i think its easy to assume why someone saw it as you fangirling and being biased over someone else when you were praising him for something that should not even be praised to begin with when you consider the aims behind this collab, slavery to the music, dancing and the industry? and many other reasons. its easy for anyone to get that idea and be confused about the point you were even trying to make because the comparison you made was the same as petty fanwars and it was quite unnecessary to point out what taemin has done and what bts has not. you said "I wanna see them perform with world-class dancers to measure how talented they actually are and whether they can keep up with world class professionals performance? "

you are aware that taemin and bts have been overworked and suffer a lot from dances on stage ??? did you see how le sserafim showed how they suffer on stage but pretend they are okay on stage? they haven't even been as active as bts or taemin, they do not even do the type of moves taemin does at all so imagine how taemin feels on stage with sexy in the air so why even bring any of this up when he is suffering from what he has to perform and the magic with it that affects him?

you said you were trying to make a point in dancer comparisons but it was still unnecessary for many reasons and quite narrow minded because its not that korea does not have extremely talented dancers that could be on their level, its just that they won't hire them or you will not see them doing dances with idols for so many reasons i don't need to list out. its been said over and over again why kpop idols are not made to be professional dancers either so why do we keep talking about how they are so stiff or talentless??

i read what daughter of the most high replied to from your first post. there's really no need to ask why bts has never done something so "huge" and "inclusive"? knowing that they don't even have a say in what they can do with certain things??? there are many reasons why they have not done what taemin has and lack of talent is not the only reason i am sure. even if it was that would be good because the next time i hear about bts i hope its about them leaving that sick industry. there's no need to prove themselves now like how taemin did, the time for that has passed. we don't need anymore of companies using foreigners for gain and more useless comparisons and senseless arguments from fans saying bts is so talented and loves poc or bts is gonna help uplift black dancers attention in korea or whatever. bts has suffered enough on stage. instead of you saying "I wanna ask have BTS ever danced with world renown dancers like this? Like in real time for a performance? I know they have collabed with many western artists but most of those collabs felt like cash grabs to me and that JkayxUsher Collab just proved how good Usher is compared to Jkay. I wanna see them perform with world-class dancers to measure how talented they actually are and whether they can keep up with world class professionals" you should ASK BTS to keep exposing their true colors and manipulation. you should also ask BTS what hybe and bang pd has done to them till now??

the time of idolatry is wrapping up, all victims of the kpop industry will be freed from those kind of useless things you were asking because everyday on twt its the same. idols like bts struggle with keeping up their images and feel pressured to do more even if they do not want to live life performing for others as entertainment and proving themselves. daughter of the most high called you out to why what you said was insensitive when we all know those things are useless and they need to break free. we all know there are many people more talented than bts and we all know they got more popular and overshadowed many more talented than them so saying those things were so unnecessary. they have showcased their talent for long and how its not up to the standard you are looking for so why even ask for that mockingly? i thought that argument stopped years ago with people but i guess not considering twitter and what goes on. what needs to happen is the fall of the industry and an end to slave contracts of bts, taemin and other idols who are clearly tired and unhealthy mentally physically and spiritually due to being used for agendas, exploited and overworked. sm still has many things to explain and be punished for for the abuse of taemin while he was a minor and they are still using his image for useless aims. i hope taemin continues to speak out about his health and feelings. he has been trapped in a sick industry that sexualised him as a minor and continues to do the same while people go crazy over it and never remember the past and how he feels

 

[arhur12]

i think its easy to assume why someone saw it as you fangirling and being biased over someone else when you were praising him for something that should not even be praised to begin with when you consider the aims behind this collab, slavery to the music, dancing and the industry? and many other reasons. its easy for anyone to get that idea and be confused about the point you were even trying to make because the comparison you made was the same as petty fanwars and it was quite unnecessary to point out what taemin has done and what bts has not. you said "I wanna see them perform with world-class dancers to measure how talented they actually are and whether they can keep up with world class professionals performance? "

you are aware that taemin and bts have been overworked and suffer a lot from dances on stage ??? did you see how le sserafim showed how they suffer on stage but pretend they are okay on stage? they haven't even been as active as bts or taemin, they do not even do the type of moves taemin does at all so imagine how taemin feels on stage with sexy in the air so why even bring any of this up when he is suffering from what he has to perform and the magic with it that affects him?

you said you were trying to make a point in dancer comparisons but it was still unnecessary for many reasons and quite narrow minded because its not that korea does not have extremely talented dancers that could be on their level, its just that they won't hire them or you will not see them doing dances with idols for so many reasons i don't need to list out. its been said over and over again why kpop idols are not made to be professional dancers either so why do we keep talking about how they are so stiff or talentless??

i read what daughter of the most high replied to from your first post. there's really no need to ask why bts has never done something so "huge" and "inclusive"? knowing that they don't even have a say in what they can do with certain things??? there are many reasons why they have not done what taemin has and lack of talent is not the only reason i am sure. even if it was that would be good because the next time i hear about bts i hope its about them leaving that sick industry. there's no need to prove themselves now like how taemin did, the time for that has passed. we don't need anymore of companies using foreigners for gain and more useless comparisons and senseless arguments from fans saying bts is so talented and loves poc or bts is gonna help uplift black dancers attention in korea or whatever. bts has suffered enough on stage. instead of you saying "I wanna ask have BTS ever danced with world renown dancers like this? Like in real time for a performance? I know they have collabed with many western artists but most of those collabs felt like cash grabs to me and that JkayxUsher Collab just proved how good Usher is compared to Jkay. I wanna see them perform with world-class dancers to measure how talented they actually are and whether they can keep up with world class professionals" you should ASK BTS to keep exposing their true colors and manipulation. you should also ask BTS what hybe and bang pd has done to them till now??

the time of idolatry is wrapping up, all victims of the kpop industry will be freed from those kind of useless things you were asking because everyday on twt its the same. idols like bts struggle with keeping up their images and feel pressured to do more even if they do not want to live life performing for others as entertainment and proving themselves. daughter of the most high called you out to why what you said was insensitive when we all know those things are useless and they need to break free. we all know there are many people more talented than bts and we all know they got more popular and overshadowed many more talented than them so saying those things were so unnecessary. they have showcased their talent for long and how its not up to the standard you are looking for so why even ask for that mockingly? i thought that argument stopped years ago with people but i guess not considering twitter and what goes on. what needs to happen is the fall of the industry and an end to slave contracts of bts, taemin and other idols who are clearly tired and unhealthy mentally physically and spiritually due to being used for agendas, exploited and overworked. sm still has many things to explain and be punished for for the abuse of taemin while he was a minor and they are still using his image for useless aims. i hope taemin continues to speak out about his health and feelings. he has been trapped in a sick industry that sexualised him as a minor and continues to do the same while people go crazy over it and never remember the past and how he feels

at the end of the day we know that when companies try to be inclusive they have multiple aims behind that, not everything is done because they appreciate foreigners and their skill. they are trying to draw in audiences. they have selfish and shameless intentions. doesn't mean they value their skills and art when they constantly steal from black people, show discrimination and barely credit them anyway. there are spiritual layers to why they also brought african dancers. people are making it seem as if korea is finally showcasing raw talent from african dancers to "show them how to dance" and other wild things people are saying its quite annoying and weird

the point about black dancers = witchcraft is not what she was saying, what she said is far from racist for many reasons. shamanism was also mentioned which also talks about korean spirituality and dances so ? you should think about it carefully, research or just simply ask her questions without accusing her of something so severe because you don't want to understand the point that was correcting the way you view what was going on. Its a common thing among dancers regardless of race to mix in spirituality into their dances and invoke spirits into themselves before they dance, and during their dances. its not uncommon for african dancers to admit that they feel more spiritually connected to their dances when they follow their own spirituality to aid them in how they dance because it is worship and only they can execute it well cause those deities connect with them when you are native. you can easily find how certain african dancers/ dance moves/ technique/choreography/ energy are inspired by their spirituality. indian dancers do the same thing as well. there's spirituality in dances and they are doing it on stage, its nothing new. what daughter of the most high said was very clear because you said "Guys Taemin danced with Ashley Everett Beyonce's dance captain and other top-class dancers who have worked for Madonna, MJ, Beyonce etc on Music Bank today for a performance" you excitedly shared information on this and how taemin did something so outstanding bts has never done? how can you overlook how dangerous that is and mock bts about something so irrelevant? i hope taemin, bts and more idols never ever invite more dancers that are deep in the occult to korea very soon !! the kpop industry is falling apart and it shall end the puppet entertainment for good.

daughter of the most high was simply telling you there is more to why they hired them on stage and you should not have rushed so quickly to praise him on it and everything else you said because that is not important and its not the focus for idols like him who are pushing agendas and need help away from that industry. black dancers used was not majorly because he is such a good dancer, they respect him and wanted to dance with him so so badly and because he loves black people art and dancing. its not just because oh he is so nice and breaking korean stigma by doing things bts can not do because they are cowards and do not have talent. those african dancers like YOU said worked with very terrible people very huge idols that cause people to stumble. beyonce, micheal jackson, and madonna are are top level satanists so it clearly means the dancers who work with such evil people were used there because of the song theme and focus and because of how high taemin has risen in that evil industry which is concerning for him and says alot about his status. she is not saying every talented black dancer you see does black magic, only those in the industry who work with high satanist people obviously.

beyoncé's dancers are worshippers of oshun like she is, they have done dances to oshun and many other high level witchcraft dances to deities that beyonce performs all the time. so taemin working with dancers who are used to african ritualtic sexual satanic dances is a risk for him and those watching on screens and those in person enjoying the performance and planning to imitate it. their dances for his song is connected to the deities they worship and so much more. we already know how beyonce concerts affect people and make them crazy and sexual. mj performance's w his dancers made women go insane over him. madonna's dancers are self explanatory considering how she has always been extremely sexual with her dances and songs. taemin bringing all these dancers together for such a song is alarming !!! you say it was a fun post but it is ignorant and insensitive for many reasons!! it reflects how little you realized about what was going on with the dancers and all. you can admire his talent and dancing without bringing up irrelevant things and missing the point of his comeback and why they are there

this song is also called sexy in the air. you do not understand the connection between water worship, mami wata juju and beyonce and madonna and mj african dancers in this sexy song because its all about marine spirits, sexual energy and how they overtake people and so much more. taemins song and dances is highly influenced by marine spirits, those african dancers are aware of how it is connected to africa and africa spirituality so much! there's so much to say on this and you should have just asked her to prove her point even more

First of all Thank you for your response and I didn't mind anything you said the only reason my response was a little rude towards daughter of the most high is because I thought her comment about black dancers = black magic was offensive to black people.

Secondly a lot of us on these forums are ex-kpop stans so yes sometimes we end up forgetting about these things and may act like typical Kpop stans but then again its not like all posts on this thread are about BTS and satanism and the same is true about the other thread. There is a Suga stan here who always defends him even if he does something bad. Then regularly here people post about BTS comparing their personalities and making assumptions about who is a good person, who is the victim and who is the handler. Who is the golden boy, whose solo got the best budget, who is being mistreated. I have literally read hundreds of such useless posts and even posts where people were praising a certain BTS member or sharing their thoughts about their music so why only point out my post?? On the KPOP thread there are NCT stans, Twice stans, few Kai stans and some very die hard stans of SHINee's Jonghyun who will talk about Satanism in other idol MVs but if their favs are targeted they act like your typical Kpop stans and defend them. Even the past few weeks many people have made posts defending Suga and feeling bad that a millionaire had to write 2 letters to apologize to his country and fans. Do these people deserve our empathy?? Its not Suga is completely innocent either he broke the law and is getting punished. So, my point is its not like there is any meaningful discussion going on in these threads. If we were actually trying to expose people the number of pages on this thread wouldn't be 3000+ they would be less then 1000 and if you guys have problems with posts where someone praises an idol, defends them or shows any kind of Kpop fan like behavior then you should call that behavior out with more consistency. I remember few months ago another member made a similar point about how we aren't really doing anything productive in these threads most of the time. When we share a picture or an article about a certain release. Or someone posts a video related to an idol aren't we actually promoting them because then members consume the content and some may end up falling for the charms of these idols and they were right.

I am not against what you said. You called me out I am okay and believe I may have made a mistake. I will go and remove my posts since they could start an unnecessary fight. However, you guys have to think where do we go from here?? because Its not like my post was the only one praising an idol. There are many such posts made here from time to time and there are many members who act like Kpop stans when their fav gets involved. If you don't believe me go check the Kpop thread. You will see quite a few members who were ex-NCT fans trying to defend Taeil or saying they believe Taeil could be an unfair target. I won't name names but there was a member on the KPOP thread who I was having similar discussion with about Korean dancers stealing from black dancers and using them for self-promo and I agreed with her that all Kpop idol dancers like Kai, Taemin, Jimin are culture vultures but then she shared one made up theory of hers about her favorite dancer trying to excuse him from culture vulturism by speculating that he could be ethnically black because his skin is tan compared to other Kpop idols which doesn't make much sense. Similarly, I have encountered many ex-Shawol members on the Kpop thread (mostly Key stans or Jonghyun stans) and in one breath they they will say all SHINee members are doing satanism but then somehow end up making excuses for their favorites in the end. So I need you guys to consider what should be done about this because let's be real we aren't all as "woke" as we think. Many regular members still struggle to let go of kpop fangirlism and we spend a lot of our precious time here posting about useless things idols do.


Lastly, one of my friends is die hard KPOP, K-Drama stans and they chat with me about their favorite idols and actors all the time these days which is affecting me these days and I too have found myself falling into the same old discussion about kpop idols. I have tried to tell them everything about satanism, exploitation of minors, sexism in Korea, the agendas they push but it didn't work because they weren't willing to listen so my last straw was trying to use the argument that they aren't very talented because while for you and me we are open minded enough that we can believe these idols are up to no good and how exploitative the whole entertainment industry is but for some people they don't take these things seriously. If I show them one of daughter of the most highs post they will not only make fun of her they would call me a psycho and bully me. So, that's why I have been trying to use things outside of Satanism and Agendas to help them get over their Kpop addiciton. I really want to help them because they are a very close friend and they are struggling with depression as well. They got so addicted with K-drama and Kpop because of their depression and now its difficult to get them out of this and see the reality of Kpop. So, really in my post when I asked about BTS performing with international dancers to check if they are any good it was coming from a mindset that if I show my friend that BTS aren't any better compared to western artists they might get out of their obsession and stop worshipping them. I may have acted like a typical kpop fan which as I have explained above is due to my friend's influence who I am trying to help.

 

[arhur12]

i think its easy to assume why someone saw it as you fangirling and being biased over someone else when you were praising him for something that should not even be praised to begin with when you consider the aims behind this collab, slavery to the music, dancing and the industry? and many other reasons. its easy for anyone to get that idea and be confused about the point you were even trying to make because the comparison you made was the same as petty fanwars and it was quite unnecessary to point out what taemin has done and what bts has not. you said "I wanna see them perform with world-class dancers to measure how talented they actually are and whether they can keep up with world class professionals performance? "

you are aware that taemin and bts have been overworked and suffer a lot from dances on stage ??? did you see how le sserafim showed how they suffer on stage but pretend they are okay on stage? they haven't even been as active as bts or taemin, they do not even do the type of moves taemin does at all so imagine how taemin feels on stage with sexy in the air so why even bring any of this up when he is suffering from what he has to perform and the magic with it that affects him?

you said you were trying to make a point in dancer comparisons but it was still unnecessary for many reasons and quite narrow minded because its not that korea does not have extremely talented dancers that could be on their level, its just that they won't hire them or you will not see them doing dances with idols for so many reasons i don't need to list out. its been said over and over again why kpop idols are not made to be professional dancers either so why do we keep talking about how they are so stiff or talentless??

i read what daughter of the most high replied to from your first post. there's really no need to ask why bts has never done something so "huge" and "inclusive"? knowing that they don't even have a say in what they can do with certain things??? there are many reasons why they have not done what taemin has and lack of talent is not the only reason i am sure. even if it was that would be good because the next time i hear about bts i hope its about them leaving that sick industry. there's no need to prove themselves now like how taemin did, the time for that has passed. we don't need anymore of companies using foreigners for gain and more useless comparisons and senseless arguments from fans saying bts is so talented and loves poc or bts is gonna help uplift black dancers attention in korea or whatever. bts has suffered enough on stage. instead of you saying "I wanna ask have BTS ever danced with world renown dancers like this? Like in real time for a performance? I know they have collabed with many western artists but most of those collabs felt like cash grabs to me and that JkayxUsher Collab just proved how good Usher is compared to Jkay. I wanna see them perform with world-class dancers to measure how talented they actually are and whether they can keep up with world class professionals" you should ASK BTS to keep exposing their true colors and manipulation. you should also ask BTS what hybe and bang pd has done to them till now??

the time of idolatry is wrapping up, all victims of the kpop industry will be freed from those kind of useless things you were asking because everyday on twt its the same. idols like bts struggle with keeping up their images and feel pressured to do more even if they do not want to live life performing for others as entertainment and proving themselves. daughter of the most high called you out to why what you said was insensitive when we all know those things are useless and they need to break free. we all know there are many people more talented than bts and we all know they got more popular and overshadowed many more talented than them so saying those things were so unnecessary. they have showcased their talent for long and how its not up to the standard you are looking for so why even ask for that mockingly? i thought that argument stopped years ago with people but i guess not considering twitter and what goes on. what needs to happen is the fall of the industry and an end to slave contracts of bts, taemin and other idols who are clearly tired and unhealthy mentally physically and spiritually due to being used for agendas, exploited and overworked. sm still has many things to explain and be punished for for the abuse of taemin while he was a minor and they are still using his image for useless aims. i hope taemin continues to speak out about his health and feelings. he has been trapped in a sick industry that sexualised him as a minor and continues to do the same while people go crazy over it and never remember the past and how he feels

Regarding my take on Satanism in Kpop and the elite conspiracy. I don't think our conspiracies about Illuminati/Elites are entirely correct. Yes there are agendas being pushed but in my opinion there isn't any elite community of people out there getting ready to prepare the arrival of Anti-Christ or trying to destroy humanity or something like that because the concept of Anti-Christ and Satan in my religion is different. I am Muslim and Anti-Christ according to our belief system is one person not a system and there is no mention of any "elites" trying to take over the world so I avoid believing the elite conspiracy theories because we aren't supposed to speculate about Eschatology in Islam because of our belief that only Allah knows the future and only he knows about the knowledge of the "unseen" and if we humans try to learn of the unknown knowledge i.e about occult then that is a form of trap laid by Satan to get us interested in occult. It's really hard to explain to someone who may not be familiar with these concepts but to summarise our religion tells us dancing and singing is haram and you don't have to go in-depth about why it is haram because trying to learn that knowledge even if for the purpose of spreading awareness about it could be bad for your own faith so protect your faith first and leave everything else to Allah. This is why knowledge about who is the spirit of water or fire or sex rituals is not something I want to learn about. For me as a Muslim the discussion about pop music being bad begins with music and dancing being haram and ends there. It doesn't matter what Taemin or BTS name their songs or if their is heavy symbolism in the song. Even if there was no symbolism in their songs simply the act of using music to connect with people and emotionally manipulate them into buying useless stuff like merch, albums, photo cards, tickets is already considered bad enough in my religious POV. The fact I and many Muslims can't follow our religion's teachings despite being well-aware of them is a struggle we are going through because our faith is weak and we live in a society where devil's influence is strong. We also have a very different belief system regarding satanism.


We believe Satan exists and he also whispers in the hearts of people however he is nothing more than a whisperer. He isn't out there trying to destroy the world or impose a new world order. What his main trick is to influence powerful people to make the powerful people commit crimes and push his agendas without these elites ever realising what they are doing. So what I want so is that according to the Islamic perspective a lot of idols would be doing evil stuff that promotes satanism out propaganda but Satan is so smart he won't make them realize what they are doing is wrong so many of these people are just normal humans like you and me and aren't trying to become "Grandmasters" or part of the "system". Like BTS or Taemin for instance. They show all these symbolisms in their MVs but that doesn't mean they are Satanists or do rituals behind the scenes and if you ask these idols about this most of them will deny that they are Satanists and this is the actual trick Satan is using. He is able to make others think that stuff like symbolism, tarot, astrology, gematria. Dancing and singing rituals are "good" for the mind and body. Haven't you seen the many influencers who preach about how Yoga, meditation, Manifestation etc should be used as tools to help you navigate your life?? That's what I believe is happening with idols like BTS. There was a rumor about Hybe promoting brain waves program of Dahn world. Did anyone on this thread thought maybe BTS members studied in that university and saw how on the surface such practices like Brain wave therapy are helping people and then decided to promote them just out of ignorance?? Doesn't this happen to normal people in real life? Haven't you guys seen life coaches and spiritual gurus? Are they all part of an elite system?? NO!! A lot of them are naive and genuinely start getting into yoga, tarot, manifestation and so on because they need help and since they don't have a strong belief in God they turn to these other things to help them. So, if say Taemin is showing Quantum Mechanics in his MVs or BTS showed Carl Jung's psychoanalytical theory it doesn't have to mean they were trying to manipulate people into becoming puppets of Satan. It could simply mean "these" people use this other thing (Quantum Mechanics, Carl Jung) as a replacement of God and religion in their life because following God's religion is hard for them because they can't control their desires and because there is no truth except what comes from God in this world sadly many of these idols fall in the traps of Satan and become depressed instead of finding the peace and happiness they were looking for and in other cases they might become depressed due to other reasons like something horrible happening to them IRL. This is how I see SHINee's Jonghyun's death as well. He was openly an Atheist and he also suffered from depression. There were rumors he got into smoking and other bad habits near the end of his life because his cheeks became hollow and sunken and his singing voice deteriorated. Couldn't the mystery of his death simply be solved by believing that he died because the celebrity life was not suited to his personality and once he had made the decision to dedicate his life to becoming a celebrity and it didn't work and since he did not believe in God he didn't have a concept of heaven or hell or after life he was so depressed he thought killing himself was the only option left for him. Of course that doesn't mean he was wrong or deserved it but we can explain almost everything in Kpop industry and the world as a whole without diving so deep into the occult ourselves and that's how my religion tells us to deal with these topics so I have told you what my belief system is and why I don't exactly agree with daughter if the most high's method of spreading awareness even though I am aware by virtue of being a Muslim that singing and dancing are tools of Satan.

I also see the symbolism in Taemin's MVs the same way. He is a Catholic and Korean Catholics are highly progressive and also he may have been influenced by Korean cultural traditions like Taoism, Korean Shamanism which is why his version of Catholicism/Christianity does not look like western version of Christianity. People say he must be lying about being a Christian because he doesn't act like one but I want to ask how many normal Christians act like real Christians?? Aren't there so many Christians in Europe and America too now who support LGBTQ and think there is nothing wrong with American musicians doing blasphemy on live TV and make Jesus jokes?? Aren't Christians having multiple pre-marital relationships and cheating on their spouse. Why can't Taemin be just a normal Catholic like those people?? Naturally since he has lived his entire life in the industry he is not super religious because people in that industry are not religious neither do they spend a lot of time trying to learn about religion from authentic and sincere people. I know of celebrities from my country who considered themselves Muslims and quit the entertainment industry once they finally understood what they were doing was satanic and just wrong. Some of these people genuinely don't know what they are doing is wrong because their jobs are hectic and they come from families where religion is not taught to children or religion is taken very lightly. I consider idols like Mark and Taemin to be people like that. They don't necessarily have to be evil people and they are just ignorant. But, even that little faith in some form of higher power like the Christian God is in my opinion better than denying the existence of God or religion entirely because in Islam we can't say about a person that they are going to hell or heaven because this is what God knows. If any such idol like say Taemin repents even on his deathbed according to Islamic perspective he may be forgiven for his sins if the repentance is sincere and even if he doesn't repent I or anyone else can't say for sue they are in hell. We can't pray for them after their death because it's a matter of uncertainty and it's best to judge according to their outer actions and beliefs at the time of their death but we can't say X person is burning in hell or Y person must be in Heaven. This is why I have a soft spot for idols who even by name are Christians or Catholic because in my heart I believe they can be saved as long as they are alive they have a chance for salvation and repentance and I pray for them sometimes too.

This was my personal opinion about the whole Illuminati agenda and Kpop discussion no one has to disagree with it I just wanted to share my POV so people can understand.

 

[theartbook35]

First it was Samsung Deutschland on August 15th, then Samsung Germany on the 24th, who deleted ads featuring YG. Now Samsung Paraguay has an ad up of YG featuring a Samsung product, and the ad has remained.

A lot of fans were screaming boycott at Samsung, and I dunno if maybe that scared them into not dropping YG, or if they had an internal discussion to temporarily not feature him then decide finally that they would... But it's weird. Like from an outsider's perspective, it looks weird. Thoughts?

Also, I want to say that at the time of the DUI incident with the lack of correct info, I was pretty perturbed at YG. After the real CCTV footage was released, and what really happened was revealed, I'm no longer perturbed and am really bothered by the intensity of the media coverage.

I fully understand why the coverage was on such a large scale. Duh, he's famous. I don't fully believe it's just to cover up the murder of the guy who was investigating the first lady, though I do think that's part of it. And I do wonder, if YG and BH had not released statements, if the coverage wouldn't have been as pronounced. Those statements gave the media and everyone else a lot to latch onto.

Statements in kpop generally cause more problems than solutions. Like when SM made their announcement of the Suju subgroups, and people took it the wrong way and the Only 13 campaign started. You think armpits are bad, oh boy, ELFs are worse. ELFs harassed Sungmin and continue to harass him... for getting married. On an even simpler note, YG, you have the right to remain SILENT.

I think he'll likely get his license revoked for a couple years, plus a hefty fine. And that will be the end of it, at least legally.

There will be a dramatic, lasting effect in SK however. His image is tarnished in that country, and there is very little he, BT5 and the label will be able to do to recover. And to be honest, he's always been more popular in the U.S. and internationally in general, so he should probably leave the group and break into the U.S. Americans straight up don't care about a scooter DUI on the sidewalk, if anything we find that hilarious. There are hip hop artists who have committed far worse crimes and still have huge followings. He'll be fine.

 

[e-Enoch]

First it was Samsung Deutschland on August 15th, then Samsung Germany on the 24th, who deleted ads featuring YG. Now Samsung Paraguay has an ad up of YG featuring a Samsung product, and the ad has remained.

A lot of fans were screaming boycott at Samsung, and I dunno if maybe that scared them into not dropping YG, or if they had an internal discussion to temporarily not feature him then decide finally that they would... But it's weird. Like from an outsider's perspective, it looks weird. Thoughts?

Also, I want to say that at the time of the DUI incident with the lack of correct info, I was pretty perturbed at YG. After the real CCTV footage was released, and what really happened was revealed, I'm no longer perturbed and am really bothered by the intensity of the media coverage.

I fully understand why the coverage was on such a large scale. Duh, he's famous. I don't fully believe it's just to cover up the murder of the guy who was investigating the first lady, though I do think that's part of it. And I do wonder, if YG and BH had not released statements, if the coverage wouldn't have been as pronounced. Those statements gave the media and everyone else a lot to latch onto.

Statements in kpop generally cause more problems than solutions. Like when SM made their announcement of the Suju subgroups, and people took it the wrong way and the Only 13 campaign started. You think armpits are bad, oh boy, ELFs are worse. ELFs harassed Sungmin and continue to harass him... for getting married. On an even simpler note, YG, you have the right to remain SILENT.

I think he'll likely get his license revoked for a couple years, plus a hefty fine. And that will be the end of it, at least legally.

There will be a dramatic, lasting effect in SK however. His image is tarnished in that country, and there is very little he, BT5 and the label will be able to do to recover. And to be honest, he's always been more popular in the U.S. and internationally in general, so he should probably leave the group and break into the U.S. Americans straight up don't care about a scooter DUI on the sidewalk, if anything we find that hilarious. There are hip hop artists who have committed far worse crimes and still have huge followings. He'll be fine.

Yoongi's case has become messy and complicated because of mediaplay and the fans' and anti-fans' reactions...

Businesswise, as far as advertising/ambassadorial contract is concerned, whatever is written/stipulated there or clauses that they've signed to are legally binding and enforceable...

As for Samsung, their foreign subsidiaries normally operate independently in terms of marketing strategies and executions...Samsung Deutschland/Germany are one and the same...so their actions regarding Yoongi's issue are basically the same...Portugal differs because it most likely follows a different advertising policy.... Same with other countries who independently decide whether or not to exclude Yoongi in their ads...

Android phones are generally bigger in European countries...so Samsung Europe might follow Germany's action (Central Europe)...but Portugal might be more volatile because of BTS armys' "threats" to boycott the brand in their region (Southwestern Europe)...

I think "excluding" or "blurring" Yoongi's image in the Ads is counterproductive... considering the relative non-gravity of his case, in a closer analysis...

BTS is still collectively strong despite this setback involving Yoongi...No other boy group comes close to replace them...The BTS brand still sells...

 

[e-Enoch]

Jin...Yoongi's only hyung...roommates for years...who currently live in places just 5 minutes apart from each other...

If anything, I'm glad and relieved Jin is with Yoongi at this time. They have each other.

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