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@elsbet's cat ^. .^ I promise to respond a little later.

This is from 2020 but it left me with more questions than answers in the context of 0ct 7. @Stucky what do you think? Would you surmise that something like Oct 7th was the "best option" to legitimize annexation of Gaza?

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Israel annexation plan: Why is Gaza missing from the conversation?

For years, the Gaza Strip has been in political limbo; no one wants to talk about its past, present or future
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While it is important to fight annexation legally, politically and diplomatically - for it is a crime and a violation of international law - the conversation around annexation has had its share of problems. A major tendency has been to limit the discussion about annexation and its potential repercussions to the West Bank, excluding other Palestinian communities in the diaspora or in the Gaza Strip.

In recent maps published by the Israeli government, the post-annexation landscape includes Israel proper, the West Bank and the Golan Heights, but not Gaza.
 
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This is the joke of the day....but a very serious one (because these are policy makers). I couldn't even believe what i was reading. A truly colorful cast of characters...
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Task Force Proposes Plan for Internationally Financed Gaza Reconstruction - JINSA

A new task force of former national security officials and business leaders released a proposal on Thursday to facilitate the rehabilitation of Gaza, eschewing some of the most common proposals for a post-war Gaza. Its centerpiece is a proposal for… Read more ›
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A Plan for Postwar Gaza - JINSA

Today’s tragic stampede deaths around a Gazan aid convoy contain lessons for those who wish to learn them, and the horrible event suggests the urgency of doing so. What appears to have happened, based on drone video recordings, bird’s-eye photos,… Read more ›
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Task Force Calls For International Trust To Address Gaza Crisis - JINSA

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A new task force of former national security officials and business leaders released a proposal on Thursday to facilitate the rehabilitation of Gaza, eschewing some of the most common proposals for a post-war Gaza. Its centerpiece is a proposal for a new Arab-backed international trust that would lead the effort to rebuild Gaza.

The report concludes that most of the proposals floated for post-war Gaza — including prompt movement toward a two-state solution, near-term Palestinian Authority control, a United Nations mission, an on-the-ground Arab state mission or long-term Israeli control — are likely infeasible in the short term or practically or politically untenable. It argues instead for a new private entity supported by several Arab states to be established to both oversee and facilitate humanitarian aid and assist with efforts to establish new Palestinian governance in Gaza.

The Gaza Futures Task Force, which issued the report, is operating through the Jewish Institute for the National Security of America and the Vandenberg Coalition, and includes John Hannah, Elliot Abrams, Eric Edelman, Gary Ginsberg, Emily Harding, Lewis “Scooter” Libby and Steven Price.

To ensure security for the trust’s operations, the plan proposes recruiting troops from non-Arab states friendly with Israel, as well as vetted Palestinians like those who served in pre-Hamas Fatah police units. Failing that, the plan suggests bringing in private military contractors who have worked with western authorities in the past.

Hannah acknowledged that this proposal is likely to face particular skepticism, given the checkered history of some security contractors, which some argue damaged the U.S.’s reputation and efforts in the Middle East.

“We recognize that there are some associations, in particular, because of some of the experiences during the War on Terror with one or two companies,” he said. “But we’re pretty confident, having done significant interviews with people in the U.S. military who were deeply engaged after some of those incidents in developing a very comprehensive framework of licensing and monitoring and accountability for these kinds of private security firms that they can play very useful and effective roles.”
 
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^^Elliot Abrams already decried a two-state solution. I posted that here. As for Scooter Libby....

Libby was part of a network of neo-conservatives known as the "Vulcans"—its other members included Wolfowitz, Condoleezza Rice, and Donald Rumsfeld.[19] While he was still a managing partner of Dechert Price & Rhoads, he was a signatory to the "Statement of Principles" of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) (a document dated June 3, 1997).[19][46] He joined Wolfowitz, PNAC co-founders William Kristol, Robert Kagan, and other "Project Participants" in developing the PNAC's September 2000 report entitled, "Rebuilding America'sDefenses: Strategy, Forces, and Resources for a New Century"

After becoming Cheney's chief of staff in 2001, Libby was reportedly nicknamed "Germ Boy" at the White House, for insisting on universal smallpox vaccination.[50] He was also nicknamed "Dick Cheney's Dick Cheney" for his close working relationship with the Vice President. Mary Matalin, who worked with Libby as an adviser to Cheney during Bush's first term, said of him "He is to the vice president what the vice president is to the president."[19][47]

Libby was active in the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee of the Pentagon when it was chaired by Richard Perle during the early years of the George W. Bush administration (2001–2003).[33] At various points in his career, Libby has also held positions with the American Bar Association, been on the advisory board of the RAND Corporation's Center for Russia and Eurasia, and been a legal adviser to the United States House of Representatives, as well as served as a consultant for the defense contractor Northrop Grumman.[33]

Libby was also actively involved in the Bush administration's efforts to negotiate the Israeli–Palestinian "road map" for peace; for example, he participated in a series of meetings with Jewish leaders in early December 2002 and a meeting with two aides of then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in mid April 2003, culminating in the Red Sea Summit on June 4, 2004.[51][52] In their highly controversial and widely contested "Working Paper" entitled "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy", University of Chicago political science professor John J. Mearsheimer and academic dean of the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University Stephen M. Walt argue that Libby was among the Bush administration's most "fervently pro-Israel ... officials" (20)
 
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There were twin infants that also died, after their parents waited years to conceive and eventually went down the IVF route. Imagine finding out you can’t have children, waiting years for treatment, realise you’re having twins only for them to both die in infancy in the midst of this genocide. I don’t remember if they died due to malnutrition, I’ll try dig up the article. Actually it wasn’t even an article, I think it was a Twitter post.

The level of trauma in that region is staggering. They’re born into trauma, raised in trauma and die in trauma. Yet months on, despite the increment in aggression from Israel, nothing has yet to be done. Even if it does end or there is a ceasefire agreed before Ramadan (which is next week), the devastation is so great that the road to recovery looks bleak for Gaza.
 
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Karlysymon said:
@Stucky what do you think? Would you surmise that something like Oct 7th was the "best option" to legitimize annexation of Gaza?
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Definitely. The zionist entity has always feared the outbreak of peace which is why they have always needed a new hitler and threat of a new holocaust. So Oct 7th was perfect for them.

I don't think it is for the gas fields though. The gas fields were discovered before they removed the squatters back in 2005. Just before the squatters were removed certain of the more fascist/insane element started shouting about how the San Remo agreement gave "Jews sovereignty and the right right to settle anywhere in mandate Palestine including Gaza". Why the need to mention Gaza as if it were a separate entity i don't know other than the borders weren't yet fixed. And now the fascist/insane element are in power....

Here's the text of the document in which the crazies claim granted Jews sovereignty over mandate Palestine.

(a) To accept the terms of the Mandates Article as given below with reference to Palestine, on the understanding that there was inserted in the proces-verbal an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine; this undertaking not to refer to the question of the religious protectorate of France, which had been settled earlier in the previous afternoon by the undertaking given by the French Government that they recognized this protectorate as being at an end.


(b) that the terms of the Mandates Article should be as follows:


The High Contracting Parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall, in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognized as independent States, subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the Mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powers.


The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 8, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

The terms of the mandates in respect of the above territories will be formulated by the Principal Allied Powers and submitted to the Council of the League of Nations for approval.

Turkey hereby undertakes, in accordance with the provisions of Article [132 of the Treaty of Sevres] to accept any decisions which may be taken in this connection.
 
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Stucky said:
Definitely. The zionist entity has always feared the outbreak of peace which is why they have always needed a new hitler and threat of a new holocaust. So Oct 7th was perfect for them.

I don't think it is for the gas fields though. The gas fields were discovered before they removed the squatters back in 2005. Just before the squatters were removed certain of the more fascist/insane element started shouting about how the San Remo agreement gave "Jews sovereignty and the right right to settle anywhere in mandate Palestine including Gaza". Why the need to mention Gaza as if it were a separate entity i don't know other than the borders weren't yet fixed. And now the fascist/insane element are in power....

Here's the text of the document in which the crazies claim granted Jews sovereignty over mandate Palestine.

(a) To accept the terms of the Mandates Article as given below with reference to Palestine, on the understanding that there was inserted in the proces-verbal an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine; this undertaking not to refer to the question of the religious protectorate of France, which had been settled earlier in the previous afternoon by the undertaking given by the French Government that they recognized this protectorate as being at an end.


(b) that the terms of the Mandates Article should be as follows:


The High Contracting Parties agree that Syria and Mesopotamia shall, in accordance with the fourth paragraph of Article 22, Part I (Covenant of the League of Nations), be provisionally recognized as independent States, subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The boundaries of the said States will be determined, and the selection of the Mandatories made, by the Principal Allied Powers.


The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory, to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 8, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

The terms of the mandates in respect of the above territories will be formulated by the Principal Allied Powers and submitted to the Council of the League of Nations for approval.

Turkey hereby undertakes, in accordance with the provisions of Article [132 of the Treaty of Sevres] to accept any decisions which may be taken in this connection.
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Actually, I agree the gas fields are a large part of this due to this being a WWW3 scenario...the UN World Order vs the BRICS. You have to go back, I believe, to Feb. '23 when PM Netanyahu made his argument for Greater Israel to the UN, which his ideas for the gas fields and routing the pipelines to advantage of the Western nations.

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The Plan For Israel To Supply Natural Gas To Europe - BusinessToday

Way back in 1948 when Israel was created through the bloods of Palestinian civilians via massacres and forced evictions from their homeland – the Nakbah – Israel already has had a plan for a Greatest Israel which stretched to some parts of present day Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Israeli PM…
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chrisocn said:
Actually, I agree the gas fields are a large part of this due to this being a WWW3 scenario...the UN World Order vs the BRICS. You have to go back, I believe, to Feb. '23 when PM Netanyahu made his argument for Greater Israel to the UN, which his ideas for the gas fields and routing the pipelines to advantage of the Western nations.

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The Plan For Israel To Supply Natural Gas To Europe - BusinessToday

Way back in 1948 when Israel was created through the bloods of Palestinian civilians via massacres and forced evictions from their homeland – the Nakbah – Israel already has had a plan for a Greatest Israel which stretched to some parts of present day Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Israeli PM…
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You're probably right. To my thinking though the gas fields are a nice bonus for the slightly less fascist slightly less insane.
 
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chrisocn said:
Actually, I agree the gas fields are a large part of this due to this being a WWW3 scenario...the UN World Order vs the BRICS. You have to go back, I believe, to Feb. '23 when PM Netanyahu made his argument for Greater Israel to the UN, which his ideas for the gas fields and routing the pipelines to advantage of the Western nations.

www.businesstoday.com.my

The Plan For Israel To Supply Natural Gas To Europe - BusinessToday

Way back in 1948 when Israel was created through the bloods of Palestinian civilians via massacres and forced evictions from their homeland – the Nakbah – Israel already has had a plan for a Greatest Israel which stretched to some parts of present day Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Israeli PM…
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Netanyahu Shows Map of 'New Middle East'—Without Palestine—to UN General Assembly | Common Dreams

"Netanyahu made clear with his little map today what normalization really seeks: eliminating Palestine... from the region and legitimizing greater Israel, all with the blessing of Arab regimes," one critic said.
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Karlysymon said:
This is the joke of the day....but a very serious one (because these are policy makers). I couldn't even believe what i was reading. A truly colorful cast of characters...
jinsa.org

Task Force Proposes Plan for Internationally Financed Gaza Reconstruction - JINSA

A new task force of former national security officials and business leaders released a proposal on Thursday to facilitate the rehabilitation of Gaza, eschewing some of the most common proposals for a post-war Gaza. Its centerpiece is a proposal for… Read more ›
jinsa.org jinsa.org

jinsa.org

A Plan for Postwar Gaza - JINSA

Today’s tragic stampede deaths around a Gazan aid convoy contain lessons for those who wish to learn them, and the horrible event suggests the urgency of doing so. What appears to have happened, based on drone video recordings, bird’s-eye photos,… Read more ›
jinsa.org jinsa.org

jinsa.org

Task Force Calls For International Trust To Address Gaza Crisis - JINSA

Click here to read the press release. Read more ›
jinsa.org jinsa.org

A new task force of former national security officials and business leaders released a proposal on Thursday to facilitate the rehabilitation of Gaza, eschewing some of the most common proposals for a post-war Gaza. Its centerpiece is a proposal for a new Arab-backed international trust that would lead the effort to rebuild Gaza.

The report concludes that most of the proposals floated for post-war Gaza — including prompt movement toward a two-state solution, near-term Palestinian Authority control, a United Nations mission, an on-the-ground Arab state mission or long-term Israeli control — are likely infeasible in the short term or practically or politically untenable. It argues instead for a new private entity supported by several Arab states to be established to both oversee and facilitate humanitarian aid and assist with efforts to establish new Palestinian governance in Gaza.

The Gaza Futures Task Force, which issued the report, is operating through the Jewish Institute for the National Security of America and the Vandenberg Coalition, and includes John Hannah, Elliot Abrams, Eric Edelman, Gary Ginsberg, Emily Harding, Lewis “Scooter” Libby and Steven Price.

To ensure security for the trust’s operations, the plan proposes recruiting troops from non-Arab states friendly with Israel, as well as vetted Palestinians like those who served in pre-Hamas Fatah police units. Failing that, the plan suggests bringing in private military contractors who have worked with western authorities in the past.

Hannah acknowledged that this proposal is likely to face particular skepticism, given the checkered history of some security contractors, which some argue damaged the U.S.’s reputation and efforts in the Middle East.

“We recognize that there are some associations, in particular, because of some of the experiences during the War on Terror with one or two companies,” he said. “But we’re pretty confident, having done significant interviews with people in the U.S. military who were deeply engaged after some of those incidents in developing a very comprehensive framework of licensing and monitoring and accountability for these kinds of private security firms that they can play very useful and effective roles.”
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Its like Haiti without the earthquake, this is a man-made disaster: "Hey, it looks all bad but people are rallying, donating and demanding that their governments kick in as well... looks like its time for us responsible parties to step in the middle of those resources, commandeer them and enrich ourselves because charity starts at home eh?"
 
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