Agreed on this part, we should be worried if they unite under another religion. The Abrahamic religions with each branching into different sections cannot all be right but they can certainly all be wrong in one way or another. People need to study the Abrahamic scriptures again that God gave us without addition and unite under the Creator, not under another religion. The status quo is not working. While each individual says their religion is the correct one the status quo continues to deteriorate into chaos. This needs to change before it is too late.
Christian viewpoints and "supporting israel"
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Secular "Jews" worship science.
Religious "Jews" worship whatever this is
christianobserver.net
In the practice known as Davening, the Jews copulate with the feminine aspect of “god” while praying. Rabbi Schochet and HaRivash of San Diego Jewish World write that,
“Hassidic literature teaches that one of the reasons given for Hassidim swaying in prayer is based upon the analogy of the movement that occurs in the act of love making.
Prayer is like “making love to the Shekhinah.”
The Baal Shem Tov is purported to have taught:
Prayer is zivug (coupling) with the Shechinah.’
Just as there is motion at the beginning of coupling, so, too, one must move (sway) at the beginning of prayer.
Thereafter one can stand still, without motion, attached to the Shechinah with great deveikut (“cleaving to God)
As a result of your swaying, you can attain great bestirment. For you think to yourself: “Why do I move myself? Presumably it is because the Shechinah surely stands before me.” This will effect in you a state of great hitlahavut (enthusiasm; rapture). (Jacob I. Schochet, Tzavat HaRivash Brooklyn, NY: Kehot Publication, 1998, pp.54-55.)
“A favorite ploy of the talmudic jews is to have a religious leader or politician go to the Kotel (aka Western Wall or Wailing Wall) and pay homage to their man made rabbinical religion. It is an outward public profession of submission to the pharisaical faith for the whole world to see.
Understand what is happening at the “Wailing Wall”
(ruins of the Roman Fort Antonina).
The Wailing wall has nothing to do with the Herodian Temple.
Not one stone of that Temple was left upon another
—exactly as Jesus prophesied.
Matthew 24:2, Mark 13:2, Luke 21:6
They are copulating with their “goddess” Shekinah.
They call it “davening” to obtain “zivug” (sexual union) with the demon.
Jesus clearly said to pray to the Father, not some hermaphrodite/female thing.
Biblical Christians do NOT worship the same God. (Catholics probably do, with their whole goddess worship thing)
Religious "Jews" worship whatever this is
Davening: A Satanic, Perverted Practice at the Wailing Wall - Christian Observer
In the practice known as Davening, the Jews copulate with the "Shekinah" feminine aspect of "god" while praying.
christianobserver.net
In the practice known as Davening, the Jews copulate with the feminine aspect of “god” while praying. Rabbi Schochet and HaRivash of San Diego Jewish World write that,
“Hassidic literature teaches that one of the reasons given for Hassidim swaying in prayer is based upon the analogy of the movement that occurs in the act of love making.
Prayer is like “making love to the Shekhinah.”
The Baal Shem Tov is purported to have taught:
Prayer is zivug (coupling) with the Shechinah.’
Just as there is motion at the beginning of coupling, so, too, one must move (sway) at the beginning of prayer.
Thereafter one can stand still, without motion, attached to the Shechinah with great deveikut (“cleaving to God)
As a result of your swaying, you can attain great bestirment. For you think to yourself: “Why do I move myself? Presumably it is because the Shechinah surely stands before me.” This will effect in you a state of great hitlahavut (enthusiasm; rapture). (Jacob I. Schochet, Tzavat HaRivash Brooklyn, NY: Kehot Publication, 1998, pp.54-55.)
“A favorite ploy of the talmudic jews is to have a religious leader or politician go to the Kotel (aka Western Wall or Wailing Wall) and pay homage to their man made rabbinical religion. It is an outward public profession of submission to the pharisaical faith for the whole world to see.
Pagan polytheistic Judaism
evidence of pagan polytheistic Judaism, sun worship, birkat ha-hammah, Torah, Kabbala, Zohar, Ezechiel 8:16, the hexagram, Star of Rempham, tetragrammaton, Amos 5:26, Acts 7:43, Sanhedrin 10, Benedict's Magick Zionist Crusader Hat, copulating with a demon, davening, Baal, moon worship, kiddush...
www.judaism.is
Understand what is happening at the “Wailing Wall”
(ruins of the Roman Fort Antonina).
The Wailing wall has nothing to do with the Herodian Temple.
Not one stone of that Temple was left upon another
—exactly as Jesus prophesied.
Matthew 24:2, Mark 13:2, Luke 21:6
They are copulating with their “goddess” Shekinah.
They call it “davening” to obtain “zivug” (sexual union) with the demon.
Jesus clearly said to pray to the Father, not some hermaphrodite/female thing.
Biblical Christians do NOT worship the same God. (Catholics probably do, with their whole goddess worship thing)
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As Christians who truly read and understand the scriptures, we already know how these things would play out. It does not really matter if one supports Israel or not, or if Israel get support from others or not...God is always in control and nothing happens to Israel without His permission, in fact, nothing happens in this world without His permission.Previously i had raised the issue here, but i think this deserves it's own thread.
To keep it consistent (as far as my argument, but anyone with a critical mind will see THEIR inconsistencies) i will use this same source for this post. This site is mainstream responses from an evangelical Christian point of view.
Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works? | GotQuestions.org
Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works? Do we contribute our works along with our faith for salvation?www.gotquestions.org
Is salvation by faith alone, or is salvation by faith plus works? This is perhaps the most important question in all of Christian theology. This question is a key difference between biblical Christianity and most of the cults. Is salvation through faith alone or through faith plus human works? Stated another way, am I saved by trusting in Jesus, or do I have to believe in Jesus and, in addition, do certain things?
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We are not saved by our own works, however meritorious they are in our own eyes. We are saved solely by the work of Christ on our behalf. His death and His resurrection are the works that save us. We receive our Savior by faith (John 1:12).
Can a Christian lose salvation? | GotQuestions.org
Can a Christian lose salvation? Is there any way that salvation can be lost? Once I am saved, is that salvation assured and secured?www.gotquestions.org
A “Christian” is not a person who has said a prayer or walked down an aisle or been raised in a Christian family. While each of these things can be a part of the Christian experience, they are not what makes a Christian. A Christian is a person who has fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior and therefore possesses the Holy Spirit (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8–9).
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A Christian is a new creation. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!” (2 Corinthians 5:17, NKJV). A Christian is not simply an “improved” version of a person; a Christian is an entirely new creature. He is “in Christ.” For a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be destroyed.
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A Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Christ would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation is the gift of God, and God’s gifts are “irrevocable” (Romans 11:29). A Christian cannot be un-newly created. The redeemed cannot be unpurchased. Eternal life cannot be temporary. God cannot renege on His Word. Scripture says that God cannot lie (Titus 1:2).
Should Christians support the nation of Israel? | GotQuestions.org
Should Christians support the nation of Israel? How can a balance be found between supporting Israel and not supporting all the actions that Israel takes?www.gotquestions.org
Christians should definitely support the nation of Israel.
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All that we have worth having has come to us through the Jews. Our Bible is a Jewish Book, and our Savior is a Jewish Savior. Let us never forget to pray for God’s chosen people. It is true that Israel is currently in rebellion against God because of their rejection of Christ.
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Jews are, biblically speaking, the "chosen people of God" and dearly loved by Him. Another reason for Christians to support the nation of Israel is because of the Abrahamic Covenant. We read of God’s promise in Genesis 12:2-3, "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you" (see also Genesis 27:29; Numbers 24:9).
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One of the United States’ most worthwhile accomplishments has been its consistent regard for the plight of the Jewish nation. No nation in the history of the world has a better record of treating individual Jews with respect than does America. The same can be said for our befriending Israel as a nation. America has committed many sins for which we may well deserve judgment, but as a nation, we have been a consistent friend of the Jews and the nation of Israel, as well as a benefactor. In 1948, President Harry Truman helped persuade the United Nations to recognize Israel as a nation. Since then, the United States has contributed billions of dollars in aid to Israel.
From the biblical declarations of God’s love and care for His chosen people, the nation of Israel, and from the history of nations being destroyed because of their evil dealings with God’s chosen people, the Jews, Christian believers should give support to the chosen people of God.
This is not to say that we necessarily support the methods they use in their relationships with the Arab nations. The Bible warned that conflict would always characterize the relations between the descendants of Isaac and Ishmael. Sadly, this conflict will continue until Jesus comes back to judge the nations and sets up His 1,000-year reign of peace on earth. We must look at the "big picture” with a biblical worldview. While we do not have to support everything Israel does as a nation, we most definitely should support Israel’s right to exist. God will fulfill His promises and covenants with Israel. God still has a plan for Israel. Woe to anyone who seeks to defeat that plan; “whoever curses you I will curse” (Genesis 12:3).
If there is nothing worse that losing our salvation, and if salvation is through faith alone and not works, then it follows that a Christian does not lose their salvation by not supporting the modern state of israel...
Supporting the modern state of israel is therefore a CHOICE, not an obligation (despite what the well funded pastor says...)
As for the Elect (true believers/true Christians), they could be pagans, muslims, atheists or satanists today (or yesterday) but once God calls them at the appointed time, they will hear His voice, and will truly repent, and will worship Him while awaiting the return of Jesus Christ...for they belong to Him from the beginning.
Romans 8
29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
Ephesians 1
4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love
5 he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will
This is the once saved always saved doctrine that is so popular within Christendom but is NOT biblical at all. The words "predestined" and "predetermined" are misunderstood in the Bible.
Biblically God predestined that all mankind be saved whether they are Jews and Gentiles, Greeks and heathen. God "desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Timothy 2:4). However that does not mean all will be saved because they have to make a choice to accept and submit to Him. God did not decree that certain people be saved and others lost. He prefers that not one person be lost.
This makes sense because the Bible tells us, "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men" (Titus 2:11). God's grace has not been made available only to those whom He has predestined to salvation; it is readily available to all. As Jesus so beautifully explained it, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:16-17). His grace and love were not reserved for a select class, while the rest were left untouched and unmoved. God has no favourites in respect to salvation. All people are His children, and He wishes to save them all.
And when Christ died on the cross in our stead for our sins, He died for all mankind. "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world" (1 John 2:2). John the Baptist taught, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29). Even though God cannot finally remove the guilt of those who reject Christ, His loving purpose in having Christ die for all was that all should be saved.
God's predestination is based on his foreknowledge of human choice. He knows the end from the beginning but all mankind still had/have choice. The Bible teaches that God first foresaw how people would decide; then He predestined to salvation those whom He knew would accept Christ. God did not decide that some would be saved and others lost, irrespective of their personal choice. And He did not make it impossible for some to reject His grace and possible for others to accept His grace.
That is why the Bible teaches that some once saved believers can and sadly will fall away. Warnings of not falling away are in both Testaments of the Bible (Ezekiel 18:24; 33:13, 18; Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:23-28, 2 Peter 2:20-22). This is why we are constantly admonished to watch, pray, study the Word, and daily surrender to Christ's loving will.
The Bible also predicts that towards the end of world history "some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons" (1 Timothy 4:1). Some former believers will be lost "because they have cast off their first faith" (1 Timothy 5:12).
Biblically some apostate believers are not always restored to favour with God. They committed/commit the unpardonable sin which is grieving away the Holy Spirit. For example king Saul. However most can have salvation again if they repent and accept Jesus as Lord of their lives which is very good news.
Yes, many people from around the world including Jews will repent and accept Christ just before He returns. However that will be because they chose Christ, obeyed and let Him lead their lives. They used their free will that God gave them to choose Him. This choice is available to all mankind.
The unrighteous will also be lost by using their God-given free will to be lost, this will be independent of God’s plan to save all mankind.
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All Religious Jews are Hasidic?
I'm pretty sure he's referring to John 6:44 and other corresponding verses, which Adventists seem interpret very differently.
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So you have established you hate the Jews and like to call them “satanists.” But you cannot find anything worse than the above?Secular "Jews" worship science.
Religious "Jews" worship whatever this is
Davening: A Satanic, Perverted Practice at the Wailing Wall - Christian Observer
In the practice known as Davening, the Jews copulate with the "Shekinah" feminine aspect of "god" while praying.
In the practice known as Davening, the Jews copulate with the feminine aspect of “god” while praying. Rabbi Schochet and HaRivash of San Diego Jewish World write that,
“Hassidic literature teaches that one of the reasons given for Hassidim swaying in prayer is based upon the analogy of the movement that occurs in the act of love making.
Prayer is like “making love to the Shekhinah.”
The Baal Shem Tov is purported to have taught:
Prayer is zivug (coupling) with the Shechinah.’
Just as there is motion at the beginning of coupling, so, too, one must move (sway) at the beginning of prayer.
Thereafter one can stand still, without motion, attached to the Shechinah with great deveikut (“cleaving to God)
As a result of your swaying, you can attain great bestirment. For you think to yourself: “Why do I move myself? Presumably it is because the Shechinah surely stands before me.” This will effect in you a state of great hitlahavut (enthusiasm; rapture). (Jacob I. Schochet, Tzavat HaRivash Brooklyn, NY: Kehot Publication, 1998, pp.54-55.)
“A favorite ploy of the talmudic jews is to have a religious leader or politician go to the Kotel (aka Western Wall or Wailing Wall) and pay homage to their man made rabbinical religion. It is an outward public profession of submission to the pharisaical faith for the whole world to see.
Pagan polytheistic Judaism
evidence of pagan polytheistic Judaism, sun worship, birkat ha-hammah, Torah, Kabbala, Zohar, Ezechiel 8:16, the hexagram, Star of Rempham, tetragrammaton, Amos 5:26, Acts 7:43, Sanhedrin 10, Benedict's Magick Zionist Crusader Hat, copulating with a demon, davening, Baal, moon worship, kiddush...www.judaism.is
Understand what is happening at the “Wailing Wall”
(ruins of the Roman Fort Antonina).
The Wailing wall has nothing to do with the Herodian Temple.
Not one stone of that Temple was left upon another
—exactly as Jesus prophesied.
Matthew 24:2, Mark 13:2, Luke 21:6
They are copulating with their “goddess” Shekinah.
They call it “davening” to obtain “zivug” (sexual union) with the demon.
Jesus clearly said to pray to the Father, not some hermaphrodite/female thing.
Biblical Christians do NOT worship the same God. (Catholics probably do, with their whole goddess worship thing)
Methinks you are not trying hard enough.
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I was wondering about that, too.
Someone has to be vastly uninformed to jump to that conclusion.
What will you say on Judgment Day when you were lukewarm or complicit with the genocidal murder of 11,000+ thousand innocent men, women, and children?
Malachi
Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Revelation
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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I agree that God is in control. The Bible mentions instances of God leading Israel to victory when they were greatly outnumbered, or also them being defeated when they went against God's order.
It is very puzzling to me why people believe other Christians must be israel supporters, given that God ultimately is in control. Are Christians to share the gospel of Jesus Christ or to convince others that they must support the country of israel and turn a blind eye to it's crimes against humanity?
Calvinism/unconditional election, when followed to it's logical end, would say that God created some people solely in order to damn them.
How that would fit in with a merciful, righteous and just God, i dont know.
This, conditional election, makes more sense to me.
If we were predestinated based on whether we would choose God, as He ultimately knows all outcomes, it would not be arbitrary. It fits His righteousness, mercy and justice.
I also believe that God wants us to choose Him, but ultimately the choice is ours and sadly, many will choose wrong.
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Reading comprehension....
Nowhere did i say i HATE anybody. Pointing out unpleasant or unpopular facts is not "hate".
Hopefully they will repent and be saved just as i pray for anyone else.
You quoted the entire post - where did i call them "satanists"? That's the title of the article...
The articles, which i didn't write, said they (this sect of orthodox Jews) worship some hermaphrodite/trans thing. It's not God, as God is male.
Trying hard enough to what? Find evidence that some "Jews" are satanists? This is not the thread for it, and im starting to realize not the forum for it, as people like you will just keep popping up to gatekeep the conversation.
About as uninformed as to say that "jews woship intellect".
How about provide proof of any of the claims you made?
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Great taleSo @ToxicFemininitySucks -
First, on red hair…
Did you know that King David was a redhead?
Many ancient paintings of King David picture him with dark black hair, however, most people don’t realize that King David was probably a redhead, with movie star good looks and beautiful eyes…opentheword.org
Second and more important, I take it that you wouldn’t view Hitler’s obsession with killing the Jews as having a spiritual motivation?
The Holocaust certainly appears to be alluded to in Psalm 102:
My great grandfather saw the conditions of cruelty the Jews who had been systematically killed by a regime that used a blend of conspiracy theory and replacement theology as its justification. I have certainly always seen it as Satan wishing to destroy the people who God had promised Abraham to preserve and therefore prove God a liar.
If the historicist analysis is true, and only a complex, alternate reading of (apparently) hopeful future promises to the nation is valid, God may not be a liar but He could certainly be accused of being a sharp salesman with a slippery contract. That’s not the God I know, so I think it’s best that I conclude my contributions to this thread here.
A secular atheistic gay parade israel funded by rothschild money
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That is satanic money looted from the mass murder of 40m true Christians....
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Adolf Hitler on Russia and Bolshevism, an extract from his autobiography Mein Kampf, published in 1924:
Talk about the Holocaust.
No, talk about Jewish massacre of 40m Christians
Hitler was fighting a greater evil. He failed. Now he's making a lot of sense.
Talk about the Holocaust.
No, talk about Jewish massacre of 40m Christians
Hitler was fighting a greater evil. He failed. Now he's making a lot of sense.
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These cufi twats won't stop imagining a messianic kingdom in an atheistic homo murdering state, even when 40m Christians were murdered.
Does Jesus care more about ashkenazi gomer khazarian lactose intolerant Jews, who brought homosexuality to the temple mount, who are the synagogue of Satan, or those who died I'm his
name?
Does Jesus care more about ashkenazi gomer khazarian lactose intolerant Jews, who brought homosexuality to the temple mount, who are the synagogue of Satan, or those who died I'm his
name?
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I think (imho), you think “opinions” are the same as “claims.”
You may disagree. That is the nature of an opinion. However, when you ask me to provide proof of an opinion, well, I guess you’ll just have to take my word that it is my opinion.
Imho, Christians worship the God (YHVH) of the Bible. If you are asking for proof of this one, then I question your own claim of “Christian.”
Imho, [religious] Jews worship intellect, in that they believe they created the idea of the God (YHVH) of the Bible. Traveling in Israel and the West Bank lead me to that conclusion.
Imho, Muslims worship an ancient pagan moon god, originally named Allah. I concluded this based on the history of the region where Mecca is located—before it was conquered by Islam—the history of Islam, and the similarities Islam has to other ancient pagan belief systems. It is my opinion based on research through the years. You may disagree.
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Publish your research then. You can’t make claims and attack others when they post actual information and not counter claim.
Throughout the forum he just comments on how people are ill informed about matters yet doesn’t enlighten us with his wealth of evidence and facts.
Throughout the forum he just comments on how people are ill informed about matters yet doesn’t enlighten us with his wealth of evidence and facts.
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“He can show you where to dig, and what to dig for…but the digging you must do yourself (the digging you must do yourself).” —Matisyahu
If you think some jack-ass on the internet has all the answers, you’re the jack-ass.
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I’ll save everyone the excruciating pain of this debate:
What we have here is a classic “He said, She said” situation, with the added cherry on top that is actually,
“He said, Muhammad said”—“He said, Muhammad said”—“He said, Muhammad said…” (say that five times real fast lol)
He said, Muhammad said—He said, Muhammad said—He said, Muhammad said—He said, Muhammad said—He said, Muhammad said…
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This is what irrational is supporting, here is a compilation of the horrendous things IDF, Netanyahu and Israeli representatives have said since Oct 7th. From the horses’ mouths…it’s a 7 min video, watch it if you have a morsel of humanity in your hearts.