Christian viewpoints and "supporting israel"

[irrationalNinja]

Meanwhile, the actual descendants of Abraham were living on the land all along.

Yes. Israelites—the true heirs—have lived in the land (Palestine) continuously (read: thousands of years) since the time they were exiled.

Compared to Israelis, “Palestinians” are relatively new to the land.

 

[Daze]

90-second video.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

The above view is certainly one I have heard a number of times on this forum, and if I believed it was true I would take a very different stance. Certainly the Illuminati and the Masons have had a great interest in Israel over the years.

If you have ever played soccer you will be aware of how a team targets another team. Their best defender will “mark” their most dangerous attacker and follow their every move.

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Spoiler: Another perspective on the establishment of Israel

Was the 1948 return foretold in Scripture?
'A greater miracle than the Red Sea crossing'

There are few things clearer in Scripture than the promise of Israel's future restoration. In fact, more than half the prophetic scriptures relate to the return of the Jewish people to their ancient homeland.1 John Wesley, perhaps the most revered man of God in English history, wrote: "So many prophecies refer to this grand event that it is surprising any Christian can doubt of it."2
The prophet Jeremiah said it would be a greater miracle than the crossing of the Red Sea, when some two million Israelites fled Egypt on dry land before the waters closed in on the chasing army:
'The days are coming,' declares the Lord, 'when people will no longer say, "As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt," but they will say, "As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the descendants of Israel up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them." Then they will live in their own land.' (Jer 23:7f)
Quoting the Lord again later, Jeremiah writes: "See, I will bring them from the land of the north and gather them from the ends of the earth" (Jer 31:8). This promise is repeated often (indicating its great importance) by other prophets of old, including Isaiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Amos, Micah and Zechariah.
And the Apostle Paul, in his letter to the Roman Christians written with the specific emphasis that God had not turned his back on the Jews because of their apparent rejection of Christ, adds that when the full number of Gentiles has come in, "all Israel will be saved" (Rom 11:25f).
It needs to be understood that there are both physical and spiritual applications to many important areas of the Bible's teaching. For example, Jesus says that physical birth must be followed by spiritual birth if one is to 'see' or understand the kingdom of God (John 3:3-6). It's the same with Israel's restoration – first to the land, and then to the Lord. Notice that the prophecy of Jeremiah 31:8, quoted above, is followed shortly afterwards by God's promise of a new covenant with the house of Israel when he would write his law on their hearts, and they would all "know the Lord" (vv31-34).
Ezekiel follows the same pattern, first stating that God will bring his people back to their own land (Ezek 36:24) and then, just two verses later, adding that he will give them a new heart and put a new spirit in them!
And so, in these latter days, we have witnessed the miracle of Jews returning to their ancient homeland from every corner of the globe, in perfect fulfilment of the scriptures mentioned above. There are now over six million Jews – nearly half of world Jewry – living in Israel, with ever-increasing numbers of new arrivals, many of whom are fleeing anti-Semitism.
At the same time, we are witnessing the unprecedented worldwide growth of so-called Messianic fellowships (Jews who believe Jesus is their Messiah), along with a rapidly growing openness (even among ultra-Orthodox groups) to the prospect that Yeshua (Jesus in Hebrew) may, after all, be their Messiah. God has a great future for Israel!

Notes
1 Fisher, J, 2016. What is God doing in Israel?Monarch Books, pp87-91.
2 John Wesley's notes on Romans, quoted in A Nation Called by God, published by Love Never Fails.

07. Was the 1948 return foretold in Scripture?

'A greater miracle than the Red Sea crossing' There are few things clearer in Scripture than the promise of Israel's future restoration. In fact, more than...

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A couple of things I have come across that you may want to consider before accepting the traditional VC narrative on Israel.

While i most definitely have not read every thread on the forum which touches upon this subject, i was not aware that many Christian were proposing that the Palestinians are the real descendants of Abraham who were supposed to accept the gospel. From what i've seen on here, posters who believe the Palestinians are the real Israelites either believe Islam is the correct way, or otherwise combine scripture. I may be mistaken, but in short i did not take this view because another poster or posters convinced me.

I just couldn't get past the issue of bloodlines. What is an Israelite? Someone descended genetically from Abraham? Then not the ashkenazis. Someone who follows Abraham's faith and not the talmud or securlarism? Then not the modern country of Israel either.

1: Is the KJV really a the version the Freemasons like the best?

The Masonic Bible: King James Version (KJV)

The UK’s only Masonic Bible, with bespoke presentation page and special introduction to Freemasonry and the Bible. With a beautiful imitation leather flexible binding, coloured page edges and its own slipcase, this is the ideal gift for a new Mason.

harpercollins.co.uk

I would contend that the KJV is especially clear and unhelpful to Freemasonry, so why lay claim to it when Manly P Hall was a supporter of the Critical Text RSV (Westcott & Hort)

2: Who designed the Great Pyramid and what “story” if any does it tell?

The True Message of the Great Pyramid?

I watched “Manifest” on Netflix recently and was initially intrigued in how the plot seemed to pivot on some Biblical themes. As the (many) episodes rolled on though, you were introduced to the idea that it was the Egyptians who had the truest connection with spiritual truth, and the Bible was a...

vigilantcitizenforums.com

I offer you a rabbit hole but I won’t try to force you down it!!! God bless

I don't understand what these topics have to do with the issue of supporting israel...

Or did you mean that the freemasons take credit for things which were done by God?

In your view, should one always give the benefit of the doubt and presume it is the work of God and not satan? Even if it means turning a blind eye to poisonous fruits?


On the issue of the KJV, i believe the masons have been hard at work to discredit it by any means necessary. Anything from false claims that it is difficult to read, to claims that they created it (or shakespeare did), to employing false prophets to give KJV-onlyism a bad name.

As for the pyramid, rabbit hole indeed! I will save my comments on that, if i end up sharing them, for that thread.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

So you use “Zionist” as a pejorative because you think it is discrediting?

At least you’re honest about it.

I use it because it is factual. If you acknowledge it is (also) pejorative, perhaps ask yourself why you support this.

Yes. Israelites—the true heirs—have lived in the land (Palestine) continuously (read: thousands of years) since the time they were exiled.

Compared to Israelis, “Palestinians” are relatively new to the land.

The true heirs, the descendants of Abraham, ARE the Palestinians.

Don't take my word for it, get it directly from this Jewish scientist.

New DNA study says Jewish people Are Not Descendants of Abraham | EUTimes.NET ⚡ Hidden Story ⚡

Jewish DNA Scientist confirms Ashkenazi Jews are not of Semitic heritage/bloodline. On December 14, 2012, Dr. Eran Elhaik turned almost two generations of

www.eutimes.net

Jewish DNA Scientist confirms Ashkenazi Jews are not of Semitic heritage/bloodline. On December 14, 2012, Dr. Eran Elhaik turned almost two generations of Jewish genome research upside down but he went even further. The young Israeli-Ameican geneticist has charged former researchers with academic fraud, and he has the research to back it up.

Who should possess the land of Israel? Christian evangelicals say it should be the descendants of Abraham. They point to the Old Testament and claim that God gave this land forever to the descendants of Abraham and that God demands they and they alone own the land.

To the Christian evangelical, this means the Jews. Yes, it is the Jews who own this land, and it is their land forever.

The Jews, then, according to Christian evangelicals, are the descendants of Abraham, his seed.


There is only one problem. And it is a huge one. Science proves those who call themselves “Jews” are not Jews! DNA Science has confounded the Christian evangelicals by proving conclusively that most of the people in the nation of Israel and in World Jewry are not the descendants of Abraham.

Those living today who profess to be “Jews” are not of the ancient Israelites, and they are not the seed of Abraham. In fact, the new DNA research shows that the Palestinians actually have more Israelite blood than do the “Jews!”

The nation of Israel today is populated with seven and half million imposters.
...
Thus, when Prime Minister Netanyahu says, “God gave this land to our Israelite forefathers,” he is absolutely wrong. There are no Israelite forefathers of today’s “Jews.” When today’s “Jews” say they should possess the land because they are Israelites and are the seed of Abraham, they are mistaken.

The “Jews” are in Israel for one reason and one reason only: Because the United States, in 1948, recognized the nation of “Israel” and has since funded and protected it. God’s Word has nothing to do with it.

God’s Word, the Holy Bible, prophesied that in the last days imposters would erroneously and falsely claim to be “Jews.” These imposters would, the Bible told us, persecute their enemies and especially the Christians. But God would have his revenge:

“Behold, I will make them of the Synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; Behold I will make them to come and worship at thy feet and know that I have loved thee.” (Revelation 3:9)

Do the “Jews” (Khazars) not do exactly as our God prophesied? Do they not persecute the Palestinians and defile the land, claiming they are its original inhabitants? This, even though their proven ancestors, the Khazars, never set foot in the Middle East and are not the seed of Abraham?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Psalm 102

13 Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time, is come.

14 For thy servants take pleasure in her stones, and favour the dust thereof.

15 So the heathen shall fear the name of the Lord, and all the kings of the earth thy glory.

16 When the Lord shall build up Zion, he shall appear in his glory.

17 He will regard the prayer of the destitute, and not despise their prayer.

18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the Lord.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Exodus 8

5 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, “Say to Aaron, ‘Stretch out your hand with your rod over the streams, over the rivers, and over the ponds, and cause frogs to come up on the land of Egypt.’ ”
6 So Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt, and the frogs came up and covered the land of Egypt.
7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs on the land of Egypt.
8 Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron, and said, “Entreat the LORD that He may take away the frogs from me and from my people; and I will let the people go, that they may sacrifice to the LORD.”
9 And Moses said to Pharaoh, “Accept the honor of saying when I shall intercede for you, for your servants, and for your people, to destroy the frogs from you and your houses, that they may remain in the river only.”
10 So he said, “Tomorrow.” And he said, “Let it be according to your word, that you may know that there is no one like the LORD our God.
11 And the frogs shall depart from you, from your houses, from your servants, and from your people. They shall remain in the river only.”
12 Then Moses and Aaron went out from Pharaoh. And Moses cried out to the LORD concerning the frogs which He had brought against Pharaoh.
13 So the LORD did according to the word of Moses. And the frogs died out of the houses, out of the courtyards, and out of the fields.
14 They gathered them together in heaps, and the land stank.
15 But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and did not heed them, as the LORD had said.
16 So the LORD said to Moses, “Say to Aaron, ‘Stretch out your rod, and strike the dust of the land, so that it may become lice throughout all the land of Egypt.’ ”
17 And they did so. For Aaron stretched out his hand with his rod and struck the dust of the earth, and it became lice on man and beast. All the dust of the land became lice throughout all the land of Egypt.
18 Now the magicians so worked with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not. So there were lice on man and beast.
19 Then the magicians said to Pharaoh, “This is the finger of God.” But Pharaoh’s heart grew hard, and he did not heed them, just as the LORD had said.
Exodus 8:5-19 NKJV

Satan is a master storyteller and deceiver, but God is sovereign.

[EDIT] Also worth considering in the same vein… You may be aware that there was an explosion of false gospels and falsely attributed letters that circulated at the time of the Gospels. Modern Gnostics use this argument in the same way at the “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” is used.

The existence of counterfeits and counter narratives don’t really reduce the truthfulness of the original story, they are just there to run interference.

 

[UnderAlienControl]

https://www.wrmea.org/2015-october/the-scofield-bible-the-book-that-made-zionists-of-americas-evangelical-christians.html

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

https://www.wrmea.org/2015-october/the-scofield-bible-the-book-that-made-zionists-of-americas-evangelical-christians.html

Never worked on me! As a Brit who has never read the Schofield Bible, I think it was Psalm 102 that made me a “Zionist”!

 

[Daze]

 

[irrationalNinja]

If you acknowledge it is (also) pejorative, perhaps ask yourself why you support this.

I don’t acknowledge it is pejorative.

I was curious about your definition:

For the purposes of this forum, the term "zionist" refers to those who shut their eyes to the suffering and deaths of Palestinian children, all for the sake of "supporting israel".

As @Red Sky at Morning pointed out, there are a number of definitions of “zionist.”

Reading the one you came up with sounds to be the most uninformed, lacking-any-historical-context variation I have heard, yet (most other definitions have some historical aspect about them).

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

The Bible does NOT say we have to help the synagogue of satan, anywhere.

Warmongering false shepherds are counting on people not reading the Bible for themselves.

Criticism of interpretations is welcome here.

Criticizing the Bible itself is not.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Who are Jews?

Who are the Jewish people of today related to? What does DNA science reveal about who are the ancestors of the Jews? The answer to these questions about the history of the Jewish Ashkenazi or Khaza…

christianitybeliefs.org

Who are the Jewish people of today related to? What does DNA science reveal about who are the ancestors of the Jews?
The answer to these questions about the history of the Jewish Ashkenazi or Khazar Jews empire will shock you, and will no doubt cause you to question everything you know about modern day Jews and the state of Israel.

We need to pray for the true Jews to accept Jesus as their Messiah, but we also need to discern the truth about the leaders of Israel, the Ashkenazi Jews.

Here’s the list of Jewish witnesses that testify about the Ashkenazi people:

DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik (a Jew) and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that, “97% of the 17 million of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.”

Dr. Dan Graur, a world-famous Jewish geneticist who served on the faculty of Tel Aviv University for 22 years and is now at the University of Houston, smiles at the distress of the Zionists. Dr. Elhaik’s research is, he said, “very honest.” Graur is the recipient of the prestigious Humboldt Award, given to the world’s top biological scientist.

In 2001, genetics research by Dr. Ariella Oppenheim of Hebrew University in Tel Aviv, produced basically the same results as Dr. Elhaik. Oppenheim’s study also found that the Jews origins are in Khazaria, and that they are of Turkic bloodline. She also reported that some Palestinians have the chromosome in their blood indicating they are Cohanim and Israelite.

In 1867, the great Jewish scholar Abraham Harkavy, in “The Jews and Languages of the Slavs,” said that the Jewish Yiddish language came from the Khazars, not the Hebrews.

The 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia Vol. XI p 533, stated that ‘probably 95% of the persons included in these estimates of Jewish populations are Ashkenazim‘.

The Encyclopedia Judaica (1972) records, “Khazars, a national group of general Turkic type, indendendent and sovereign in Eastern Europe between the seventh and tenth centuries C.E. During part of this time the leading Khazaras professed Judaism… In spite of the negligible information of an archaeologica nature, the presence of Jewish groups and the impact of Jewish ideas in Eastern Europe are considerable during the Middle Ages. Groups have been mentioned as migrating to Central Europe from the East often have been referred to as Khazars, thus making it impossible to overlook the possibility that they originated from with the former Khazar Empire.”

A. N. Poliak, Professor of Medieval Jewish History at Tel Aviv University, says that the majority of Eastern European Jews are Khazar and Japhetic in origin, not Semitic. Immigration statistics indicate approximately 90% of the world’s so-called or self-styled ‘Jews’ living in 42 countries of the world are emigrants of Eastern European Khazar Jews.

In 1976, a prominent Jew named Arthur Koestler published a book called “The Thirteenth Tribe: The Kazar Empire and Its Heritage.” He wrote: “The large majority of Jews after World War II in the world, were of Eastern origin-and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan, but from the Volga; not from the Canaan but from the Caucausus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race. Genetically, they are more closely related to the Hun, Uigur and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

In 2007, University of Tel Aviv history teacher, Schlomo Sand, verified their Turkish-Mongol heritage in his book called “Invention of the Jewish People.” He says that the “Jews are not a race and have no Israelite connection.”

Rabbinical Torah Jews protest the Zionist state of Israel and say that is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent Jews or Judaism. They believe that the Ashkenazi Jews have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!

So how can there be millions of people called Jews in a state called Israel?

Let’s start with the understanding that a person can convert to the religion of Judaism and call themselves a ‘Jew’, even though they’re not an actual descendent of Abraham.

With that in mind, you will be shocked to learn that the newest DNA research science from Dr. Eran Elhaik and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, have confirmed that:

97% of the 17 million of the world’s Jews ARE NOT descendants of Abraham.

The various groups of Jews in the world today DO NOT share a common genetic origin, and their genome is largely Khazar.

In fact, DNA research shows that the Palestinians actually have more Israelite blood than do the Khazar ‘Jews!’

Today they’re called Ashkenazi Jews, but they are a Jew by religion, not by blood.
Most of them have Turkish-Mongol DNA.

Tay-Sachs disease affects Ashkenazi Jews, but not semitic Jews.

Tay-Sachs disease is a genetic disorder caused by a missing enzyme that results in the accumulation of a fatty substance in the nervous system; which affects chiefly Ashkenazic Jews.

What does this prove? Semitic people never suffer from Tay-Sachs disease! Only Ashkenazi Jews do, proving that they are not semites.

Ashkenaz descend from Japheth and Gomer, not from Shem; so that are not semites. Abram (Abraham) descended from Shem, the Ashekenaz did not.

Genesis 10:3 The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.

The Khazar heritage of Ashkenazi Jews is a historical fact, and hence forfeits their Biblical Right to Palestine, which is often cited by Israeli leaders and fundamental Christian supporters.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Continued...

Notice the brief mention of ukraine... could ukraine be a plan b? Would explain why the zionist controlled US govt has been funneling money there.

Who are Jews?

Who are the Jewish people of today related to? What does DNA science reveal about who are the ancestors of the Jews? The answer to these questions about the history of the Jewish Ashkenazi or Khaza…

christianitybeliefs.org

So who are the Jewish Khazars?
From 652-1016 A.D., there was a medieval kingdom of Khazaria that included part of modern day Russia, Ukraine, and a sliver of what is now Kazakhstan.

They were warriors who worshiped many false gods, making them ripe for invasion.

They were being pressured by the Holy Roman Empire in the West, Russian Orthodox Christians in the North, and from the Islamic Caliphate in the East.

Russian Prince Vladimir would force people to become Christians, or cut off their head.

In the 8th Century, under the reign of King Bulan, they adopted Judaism as their religion. And when the king converts, everyone converts.

This was not a spiritual choice, just a way to avoid conflict with other countries.

Talmudic Rabbi’s were brought in from Babylon, to teach the people Jewish traditions.

After a few hundred years, the people were fully converted to their beliefs.

They were steeped in Judaism rituals, and became “self-styled” Jews with their clothing, beards, long hair on the side, etc…

The Khazarian Empire was a war-like people, who used to be hired out by other countries for battles, so they were already very domineering.

The Jewish Babylonian Talmud told them they could rule the world and have all of the wealth, so they embraced the global domination view of the Talmud.

Prince Vladimer of Russia did attack Khazaria, causing the Khazar Jews to flee. Then Genghis Khan conquered the land and the rest of them fled.

The Khazar Jews settled in Russia (they pretended to be Christian to hide there), Hungary, Poland, Germany, and elsewhere in Eastern Europe.

The history of the Jewish Ashkenazi people is one of domination.
They would infiltrate government and financial institutions to take control through unethical actions, causing countries to pass laws to kick them out.

Here is a partial list of all the countries (and corresponding years) from which the Jews have been legally banished from, over the last thousand years:

France(1182, 1306, 1322, 1394); Upper Bavaria(1276, 1442); England(1276); Saxony(1349); Hungary(1360, 1582); Belgium(1370); Slovakia(1380); Austria(1420); Cologne(1424); Augsburg(1438); Netherlands(1444); Brandenburg(1446, 1510); Warsaw(1483); Spain(1492); Italy(1492, 1540); Lithuania(1495); Portugal(1496); Naples(1496, 1533, 1541); Prussia(1510); Bavaria(1551); Prague(1541, 1557); Hamburg(1649); Vienna(1669); Slovakia(1744); Bohemia(1774); Moscow(1891).

Then due to persecution in Germany and other countries, they were pressed into migrating to Palestine, which became the modern state of Israel.

Not to diminish the tragedy of so many people dying at the hands of the Germans, but since the Ashkenazi Jews aren’t the descendents of Abraham, a homeland should have been created for them in their old land of Khazaria, not in Palestine.

...

Knowing who are Jews and who aren’t the Jewish people of the Bible, should be common knowledge.
Why has this ground-breaking news not been revealed to the world?

The Jesuit-controlled Ashkenazi Jews are able to suppress the research books and DNA findings, because they own and control:

• Associated Press and Reuters, which delivers the news to the world’s media.
• Fox News, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSN, and every other major news channel.
• Most radio stations, major newspapers and the top magazines.

Just as they invaded countries throughout history; they have infiltrated the U.S. government, financial institutions, and businesses, to take control. This topic will be covered in more detail in another study.

“Controlled opposition” figures like Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, etc., are censored by them. The Jesuits allow them to give you some of the truth (to make you think that they’re defending you), but they never give you the whole truth.

Rabbinical Torah Jews believe that the Zionist state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent Jews or Judaism.
Torah Jews study God’s Torah only, not the Satanic Egyptian Kaballah or the Babylonian Talmud, that the Ashkenazi Jewish leader study and revere.

They believe that the world must know that the Ashkenazi Jews have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!

They believe that contemporary sovereignty over the Holy Land belongs to those who have lived there for centuries, the Palestinians. They desire to live in peace and harmony with their Muslim Brethren, as their ancestors did.


What are the implications of these DNA findings on their control of Israel?
Since they are not of the ancestry of Abraham, they have no right to the land of Israel, or to persecute the Palestinians, whom they kicked off of the land.

In another study, we’ll focus on how the state of Israel was created by the Jesuits via the Rothchild family, and what their end-times plans are for it.

For now, just realize that all three of the major religions (Christianity, Judaism and Islam) look to Jerusalem as their holy place, so as the Jesuits move us towards a New World Order, they will use Jerusalem as their world headquarters.

In order to do that, they had to take control of the land.

This also helps them deceive Christians about end-times prophecy, as they have conditioned us to look to the state of Israel.

Now that you know that 97% of Jewish people are Khazar Jews, what will you do?

Will you heed what Jesus told us in Revelation 2 and 3, about “them which say they are Jews and are not?”

Will you trust Jesus declaration that “Gentiles” will trample the land, until the time of Gentiles is fulfilled?

Will you accept modern DNA science as legitimate and valuable in proving the truth of God’s Word?

Or will you return to the programming of the Jesuits?

Friend, we’ve been lied to about the Jews. And Christians have blindly accepted what we’ve been taught, instead of searching out truth for ourselves.

I’m not saying that all Christian Pastors have intentionally done this, but there are many pro-Israel pastors who aren’t teaching you the truth.

This end-times deception about the Jews and Israel changes everything!

Ask the Holy Spirit to show you the truth about who are the Jewish people.
Repent of your former beliefs.

Pray for the true Israelites and Palestinians, that they would come to accept Jesus as their Messiah.

Pray for the true Israelites and Palestinians as they face persecution from the Ashkenazi Jews.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

What I find hard to understand from the above material is why such a group of people would endure WW2, the pogroms and the camps when such “fake” ancestry would lead them to a miserable death?

As for “Palestinian” ancestry, is it really your contention that the present occupants of Gaza are the true descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob?

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[ToxicFemininitySucks]

What I find hard to understand from the above material is why such a group of people would endure WW2, the pogroms and the camps when such “fake” ancestry would lead them to a miserable death?

It's not hard to understand at all - the persecution preceeding and during ww2 was not about whether they were descended by blood from Abraham or not. It was the culmination of the effects that the influence of some prominent "Jews" had on society.

You familar with weimar germany? Theres many similarities to the present, particularly the promotion of degeneracy in society. It's a fact that "Jews" can be disproportionately found in certain industries, and when people wisen up to it they are not too happy... The narrative that it was about WHO they were, not WHAT they did is a bit simplistic and misleading. Of course, i'm definitely not saying locking people into concentration camps and starving them to death is right btw.

Anyway, this anti Jewish backlash played perfectly into the rothschilds hands, as visible "proof" that a Jewish homeland was needed. Have you not heard the expression 'ww1 got the land ready for the Jews, but ww2 got the Jews ready for the land'?



As for the video, no, not supporting something does not equal "hate". Quite a leftist argument, too.

Nice straw man that it's because people are jealous or something. Some are, but others just have a heart and can see what is going on. I guess he's one more that will doubt my salvation for not supporting israe. Or try to pigeonhole me as a "replacement theologist". I need to read my Bible more? Guess i missed the part that said salvation is not through grace thru faith alone, but works, specifically supporting genocide.


I will say what i said in the other thread: coupling "support israel " with the gospel is a stumbling block to people accepting the gospel. People don't tend to support genocide. Israel supporters come across as out of touch and in denial (at best) and bloodthirsty, callous and psychopathic. Why make it even harder for people to accept the gospel?

Also, totally off topic, but he's wrong that the ukraine conflict is not mentioned in the Bible. I remember watching a sermon about it back around the time it got started that went into detail about this.

As for “Palestinian” ancestry, is it really your contention that the present occupants of Gaza are the true descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob?

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As the article i posted said, dna tests show that the Palestinians are Semitic people, and the ashkenazis are not. Therefore, since Abraham was a Semite, they are more closely related to him. That land is their home.

The true heirs, the descendants of Abraham, ARE the Palestinians.

Don't take my word for it, get it directly from this Jewish scientist.

New DNA study says Jewish people Are Not Descendants of Abraham | EUTimes.NET ⚡ Hidden Story ⚡

Jewish DNA Scientist confirms Ashkenazi Jews are not of Semitic heritage/bloodline. On December 14, 2012, Dr. Eran Elhaik turned almost two generations of

www.eutimes.net

Jewish DNA Scientist confirms Ashkenazi Jews are not of Semitic heritage/bloodline. On December 14, 2012, Dr. Eran Elhaik turned almost two generations of Jewish genome research upside down but he went even further. The young Israeli-Ameican geneticist has charged former researchers with academic fraud, and he has the research to back it up.

Who should possess the land of Israel? Christian evangelicals say it should be the descendants of Abraham. They point to the Old Testament and claim that God gave this land forever to the descendants of Abraham and that God demands they and they alone own the land.

To the Christian evangelical, this means the Jews. Yes, it is the Jews who own this land, and it is their land forever.

The Jews, then, according to Christian evangelicals, are the descendants of Abraham, his seed.


There is only one problem. And it is a huge one. Science proves those who call themselves “Jews” are not Jews! DNA Science has confounded the Christian evangelicals by proving conclusively that most of the people in the nation of Israel and in World Jewry are not the descendants of Abraham.

Those living today who profess to be “Jews” are not of the ancient Israelites, and they are not the seed of Abraham. In fact, the new DNA research shows that the Palestinians actually have more Israelite blood than do the “Jews!”

The nation of Israel today is populated with seven and half million imposters.
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Thus, when Prime Minister Netanyahu says, “God gave this land to our Israelite forefathers,” he is absolutely wrong. There are no Israelite forefathers of today’s “Jews.” When today’s “Jews” say they should possess the land because they are Israelites and are the seed of Abraham, they are mistaken.

The “Jews” are in Israel for one reason and one reason only: Because the United States, in 1948, recognized the nation of “Israel” and has since funded and protected it. God’s Word has nothing to do with it.

God’s Word, the Holy Bible, prophesied that in the last days imposters would erroneously and falsely claim to be “Jews.” These imposters would, the Bible told us, persecute their enemies and especially the Christians. But God would have his revenge:

“Behold, I will make them of the Synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; Behold I will make them to come and worship at thy feet and know that I have loved thee.” (Revelation 3:9)

Do the “Jews” (Khazars) not do exactly as our God prophesied? Do they not persecute the Palestinians and defile the land, claiming they are its original inhabitants? This, even though their proven ancestors, the Khazars, never set foot in the Middle East and are not the seed of Abraham?

As for, are they the nation of Israel, i'm not sure. But i do believe they are descendants of Abraham and ashkenazis are not.

I havent read the book, but i read some descriptions and reviews, and he lost me at "the antisemitic media". Jews are overrepresented in the media, actually (and government, entertainment, finance, etc) so i don't know how trustworthy anything he says is.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

As the article i posted said, dna tests show that the Palestinians are Semitic people, and the ashkenazis are not. Therefore, since Abraham was a Semite, they are more closely related to him. That land is their home.

Ishmael and Issac were both sons of Abraham. Is it your contention that God preserved the line of Ishmael and failed to preserve the line of Issac and Jacob?

 

[AspiringSoul]

Ishmael and Issac were both sons of Abraham. Is it your contention that God preserved the line of Ishmael and failed to preserve the line of Issac and Jacob?

O you who believe! Be you helpers (in the Cause) of Allah as said 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), to the Hawariyyun (the disciples): "Who are my helpers (in the Cause) of Allah?" The Hawariyyun (the disciples) said: "We are Allah's helpers" (i.e. we will strive in His Cause!). Then a group of the Children of Israel believed and a group disbelieved. So We gave power to those who believed against their enemies, and they became the victorious (uppermost).
(سورة الصف, As-Saff, Chapter #61, Verse #14)

the jews who believed in Jesus, became christian.

Thereal tribulation of the true jews was at the hands of the synagogue of satan. hence

12 “But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13 And so you will bear testimony to me. 14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17 Everyone will hate you because of me. 18 But not a hair of your head will perish. 19 Stand firm, and you will win life.

Jesus told them to flee the coming destruction of jerusalem
20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

hence Zechariah 13's remnant....which i have explained are the palestinians.



HOWEVER the trouble is you think the tribulation is a future 7 yrs.

in Matthew 24 Jesus said his generation would not pass away until it's fulfilled. The sole reason why it was worded as if Jesus was coming immediately after, is because in Daniel 9 it says 'TO SEAL UP VISION AND PROPHECY' ie Jesus could not tell the jews the rest of it...

Luke 21 does give us a hint
Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
in factt his specific part comes AFTER the punishment/destruction of Jerualem.

20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled

the wrath and punishment is not the same as the tribulation. as i explained already the tribulation was the persecution of the true jews/christians at the hands of the 'jews'.

the real final week was the 66-73AD war, midway of which the temple was destroyed. the true remnant of Zechariah 13, inherited the land and were absorbed into a new palestinian identity.
then the islamic period came...ie making ishmael a great nation and hence the 1260 LUNAR YEARS rule of muslims over the temple mount ending in 1948 with the creation of israel.

Revelation 13 directly linked this to the wilderness. Her children are the true remnant and they are being MURDERED.

literally prophecy is coming true on all levels and you're too dumb to see it.





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[AspiringSoul]

What I find hard to understand from the above material is why such a group of people would endure WW2, the pogroms and the camps when such “fake” ancestry would lead them to a miserable death?

As for “Palestinian” ancestry, is it really your contention that the present occupants of Gaza are the true descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob?

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the modern jews are the camp that was 'cut off' post 70AD. The ashkenazis were the jews who mixed in with khazarian blood.
they def are jewish though...it's just that they have that Gomer blood in them.




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[AspiringSoul]

Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled
Jesus did reveal this part in luke 21

so let me get this right...
this is the Red position
in chronological order, there's a tribulation, THEN the jews are punished and imprisoned as slaves and taken to other nations..then the gentiles trampling period...

yet Red believes there's a tribulation and Jesus comes right after. clearly he has his wires crossed. He's never thought out how absurd his position is.

reality...

the true tribulation was the persecution of the tchristian jews after Jesus. they were murdered, crucified etc.
THEN God punished them and they were forced out of the holy land.
Then the gentiles period of 1260 days....
ie islamic rule over the temple mount for 1260 LUNAR YUEARS (day=year rule).

all we have now is an antichrist israel looking for their messiah

except this messiah will turn his back on them and bring them to ruin (Zechariah 11, Revelation 17/18)

Revelation 11 is about the gentiles trampling over the temple mount followed by their 'murder'. Revelation 12 tells us about the true remnant coming to islam(the wilderness) within that 1260 days period) and then the serpent (satan) makes war against them...

that's where we're at.
we are literally witnessing satan murder the true remnant.

 

[Daze]

The Bible does NOT say we have to help the synagogue of satan, anywhere.

Warmongering false shepherds are counting on people not reading the Bible for themselves.

Criticism of interpretations is welcome here.

Criticizing the Bible itself is not.

If this is in response to my image, it's satire Toxic.



I mean, take a look at Red. He is absolutely convinced that the Bible commands him to worship Israel.

Thankfully there are some Christians here like you that are not brainwashed and blinded, but sadly many are. For example E-bot.