Another apologetic is they make out a big thing about Islam vehemently rejecting the trinity, yet so many of these people are Protestants who deny the literal presence of Jesus in the eucharist (taking it all as metaphor) and deny that Mary is the "mother of God" (even though the implication is very obvious if Jesus was God), which for Catholics and Orthodox Christians is effectively the same as denying the Trinity. And it is true that the Trinity is inseparable from the literal presence in the Eucharist and the Motherhood of Mary.
Protestants have less of an argument in this matter than Catholics and Orthodox Christians, because they do not commit to their position, whereas Catholics and Orthodox Christians do.
Catholics and Orthodox Christians can argue that "Islam is false because Islam rejects the Eucharist, Mary as Mother of God and the Trinity". Whereas Protestants effectively do the same while claiming it against Islam, despite their claim to believe in the Trinity.
It IS a metaphor, otherwise it would be cannibalism. Not to mention that it would be sacrificing Jesus more than once and the Bible is clear He was a ONE TIME sacrifice.
Hebrews 7
27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did
once, when he offered up himself.
28For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law,
maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore
And no Mary is not the "mother of God". She is the mother of Jesus. I recall us discussing this months ago and i mentioned the corrupt council of ephesus, where they declared her the "mother of god". It was an obvious political play because the pagans at ephesus worshipped diana, so the corrupt catholics decided to turn the biblical Mary into their false goddess.
Even catholics admit that their worship - im sorry,
veneration - of Mary is based on diana. This has been mentioned before on the forum. I've even posted pictures ive taken of a catholic book in which they admit this.
I'm not going to bother reposting, but a search for diana and ephesus together should bring up the posts and pictures.
And the issue of "the trinity" is obviously not inseparable from the issue of turning a human woman into the "mother of God", or else they would have imposed it at the same council, which they didnt. Both councils which were political plays, and those who had other views were silenced. It was not some unanimous agreement. There have always been differing views, but they were silenced. The political faction that "won" went agaisnt the Bible, as the purpose was increasing converts, not the truth.
The purpose of this thread is not to convert people, it's to discuss the differences between what the Bible says (not what the catholics say, as i made explicitly clear in the OP) and what Islam says.
Trying to invalidate "protestantism" (which includes a variety of beliefs) by insinuating the catholics and orthodox are the only
real Christians is not helpful.
