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The trinity is not mentioned in the Bible.
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There are many “formal” theological terms that are not given those specific names in the Bible
Even “the Bible” is not mentioned in the Bible! Does that negate it’s existence?
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Where does the Bible say that God is 3 persons in one?
Where does the Bible say that God is a "trinity"?
Where does the Bible say that our eternal life depends upon getting to know a 3=1 deity?
The word "Bible" means "the Book", which is referred to numerous times in the Koran/Quran, which is also part of Scripture, whether "Christians" recognize it as such or not.
Silly "trinitarian" conundrums abound...
ONE MEANS ONE. There is only ONE God, The God and Father of Christ, the Saviour.
Anyone who believes differently is breaking the First and Most Important COMMANDment, whether they realize it or not.
21 pages and there still isn't one single verse that's been offered where Jesus directly claimed to be God, or part of a "trinity", or equal to God.
Where does the Bible say that God is a "trinity"?
Where does the Bible say that our eternal life depends upon getting to know a 3=1 deity?
The word "Bible" means "the Book", which is referred to numerous times in the Koran/Quran, which is also part of Scripture, whether "Christians" recognize it as such or not.
Silly "trinitarian" conundrums abound...
ONE MEANS ONE. There is only ONE God, The God and Father of Christ, the Saviour.
Anyone who believes differently is breaking the First and Most Important COMMANDment, whether they realize it or not.
21 pages and there still isn't one single verse that's been offered where Jesus directly claimed to be God, or part of a "trinity", or equal to God.
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Here's yet further confirmation that so-called Christians absolutely believe in the LIE that no one can keep The Law, as if our just, fair, merciful and long-suffering God would punish us for something we are allegedly unable to do:
From: https://redeeminggod.com/go-and-sin-no-more/
If you think Christ was joking when He said "go and sin no more", then you don't know Christ. Period.
The soul that sins shall SURELY die (Ezek. 18:4, 20; Rom. 6:23). The only way to avoid The Fire on Judgement Day is to immediately "go and sin no more", i.e. stop breaking The Law.
Nobody is going to be rewarded for being a criminal, no matter what they may believe to the contrary.
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The word did not exist at the time of writing of the bible. Languages change over time.
Words like Quran and UFOs didn't exist when the bible was written either.
You are still willing to believe in them/ read them into the actual bible because Anthony John Hill says so.
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When people are suffering from a psychosis, they actually believe their fantasies/hallucinations/alternate 'gospel' are real and that our true reality is somehow false.
The reason the word "trinity" is NOT found in the Bible, either by name or by inference, is simply because there is no "trinity". IF the alleged and nonsensical 3=1 "trinity" were real, then there would be crystal clear descriptions of it throughout Scripture, particularly given our eternal, spiritual life DEPENDS upon getting to KNOW The ONE and ONLY True God AND The One Whom God created, anointed and later sent to Earth to deliver His Word/Message of Truth.
John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
Instead, we find hundreds upon hundreds of verses throughout the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and the Koran/Quran which very specifically tell us God is ONE and that He sent His FIRST-CREATED SON into this world a number of times as His (God's) Representative, Messenger, Teacher, Mediator (between God and men), Shepherd and Leader, to bring us back to God.
It is completely delusional to redefine what the words "One", "Father", "The Most High", "God", "Greater than" and "Son" mean, among dozens of other key terms in Scripture, as if the meaning of those words has somehow changed over time and that our CHANGELESS God is somehow the author of confusion, which He obviously isn't, nor could be (1 Cor. 14:33).
The word "Quran" is actually an Aramaic loan-word that means "calling out" and/or "the invitation", which God sent to confirm the Old Covenant and New Covenant, in much the same way that God sent His Christ and the New Covenant to confirm God's Law and fulfill the Old Covenant prophecies (Sura 46:1-13; 61:6-7). Aramaic is one of the languages that Jesus spoke and wrote.
The Bible also contains numerous descriptions of spaceships, which some refer to today as "UFOs". So should we believe the Bible and accept God's Calling/(Wedding) Invitation, which Christ prophesied would be sent out (Matt. 22:1-14), and the Bible's numerous references to spaceships (including in the Gospel accounts, Acts of the Apostles and Christ's Revelation to John), or should we believe in the unscriptural trinity delusion and the alternate, anti-Christ 'gospel' that "Christianity" reads into the Bible and satanically promotes?
The reason the word "trinity" is NOT found in the Bible, either by name or by inference, is simply because there is no "trinity". IF the alleged and nonsensical 3=1 "trinity" were real, then there would be crystal clear descriptions of it throughout Scripture, particularly given our eternal, spiritual life DEPENDS upon getting to KNOW The ONE and ONLY True God AND The One Whom God created, anointed and later sent to Earth to deliver His Word/Message of Truth.
John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
Instead, we find hundreds upon hundreds of verses throughout the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and the Koran/Quran which very specifically tell us God is ONE and that He sent His FIRST-CREATED SON into this world a number of times as His (God's) Representative, Messenger, Teacher, Mediator (between God and men), Shepherd and Leader, to bring us back to God.
It is completely delusional to redefine what the words "One", "Father", "The Most High", "God", "Greater than" and "Son" mean, among dozens of other key terms in Scripture, as if the meaning of those words has somehow changed over time and that our CHANGELESS God is somehow the author of confusion, which He obviously isn't, nor could be (1 Cor. 14:33).
The word "Quran" is actually an Aramaic loan-word that means "calling out" and/or "the invitation", which God sent to confirm the Old Covenant and New Covenant, in much the same way that God sent His Christ and the New Covenant to confirm God's Law and fulfill the Old Covenant prophecies (Sura 46:1-13; 61:6-7). Aramaic is one of the languages that Jesus spoke and wrote.
The Bible also contains numerous descriptions of spaceships, which some refer to today as "UFOs". So should we believe the Bible and accept God's Calling/(Wedding) Invitation, which Christ prophesied would be sent out (Matt. 22:1-14), and the Bible's numerous references to spaceships (including in the Gospel accounts, Acts of the Apostles and Christ's Revelation to John), or should we believe in the unscriptural trinity delusion and the alternate, anti-Christ 'gospel' that "Christianity" reads into the Bible and satanically promotes?
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JAHtruth is not said in the bible.
Therefore JAHtruth does not exist.
All your weaving together of "maybes, perhaps and possiblys" doesn't change the fact that the bible doesn't mention UFOs.
It says clouds WITHOUT brackets. Only your cult leader has ever inserted them.
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Yes, that is what you're doing in your delusional state, although it's really much worse, as you call evil good and good evil.
Isaiah 5:20-21
5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for Light, and Light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
5:21 Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
The Truth however is JAH is in the Bible, and very obviously DOES exist, because God specifically says so (John 17:17).
Malachi 4:4-5
4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.
4:5 Behold, I will send you EliJAH the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the "I AM" (Sura 43:61):
Psalm 68:4 Sing unto God, sing praises to His name: extol Him that rideth upon the heavens by His name JAH, and rejoice before Him.
And a little preview of when we can all expect to see JAH riding upon the heavens, i.e. coming in the "Clouds" with great glory (in spaceships, including the "New Jerusalem"):
Matthew 24:27-31
24:27 For as the lightening cometh out of the East, and shineth even unto the West; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the Earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (7th.), and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The fact is there was no "weaving together of maybes, perhaps and possiblys" shared; only FACTS, which were again ignored. The Bible very vividly and truthfully describes spaceships, including a city-sized spaceship roughly the size of the moon, referred to as the NEW JERUSALEM, coming down out of heaven.
Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the Holy City, "New Jerusalem", coming DOWN from God OUT OF HEAVEN, prepared as a Bride adorned for her husband.
Nowhere in the Bible does it describe a "trinity", nor define God as such, nor did Jesus ever claim to be God, directly or indirectly.
Isn't it amazing how often you falsely claim what supposedly is in the Bible that actually isn't in the Bible (e.g. the "trinity", "Jesus is God", "Christians" are "saved", etc.), and how often you falsely claim what allegedly isn't in the Bible that, in actual fact, is in the Bible (e.g. karma - Gal. 6:7, reincarnation, JAH, Christ's Second Coming in the flesh, etc.).
You really NEED help. It's truly a pity your arrogance prevents you from being able to receive it.
Peace be upon you.
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As do you bro as do you. I am rubber you are glue what you say to me bounces off and sticks to you. Do we have to resort to that?
I'm truly am sorry you are so lost and deluded by your cult leader its sad no free dom in that. Seems thats what your looking for is to be free. There is only freedom in CHRIST JESUS alone no where else will you find it. You surely won't find it with that false claiming christ ajh
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Although Paul's letter to the Romans is obviously not part of the Gospel accounts, @Red Sky at Morning recently claimed that we would find the meaning of God's Grace in chapters 6, 7 and 8, insinuating that God's Grace is something other than God's Graciously granting us the opportunity to STOP SINNING/BREAKING HIS LAW.
So let's look at what those chapters REALLY say, because they are all about returning to God's Law, which is precisely how those three chapters begin. If one is truly reborn and thus "dead" to sin, having crucified the "self" (the human, the "old man"), then they will spiritually see the beauty and love in God's Perfect, Holy, Just and Good Law/Commandments.
Romans 6 KJV
6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin*, that grace may abound?
6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
6:7 For he that is dead** is freed from sin.
6:8 Now IF we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
6:12 Let NOT sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law***, but under grace.
6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
6:18 BEING MADE FREE FROM SIN, ye became the servants of righteousness.
6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is DEATH.
6:22 But now being made FREE FROM SIN, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
6:23 For THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
*sin = the transgression of The Law (1 John 3:4)
**dead = crucifying the "self" daily (Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:26-27, Gal. 2:20, Sura 6:162, Sura 92:18-21)
***"under The Law" = under the curse of The Law (Deut. 28:15-68; Gal. 3:13), which is the penalty clause for not keeping The Law
**** under grace = being mercifully given a clean slate and final opportunity to keep The Law after being redeemed from the curse of The Law (Gal. 3:13; Eph. 4:1-6). Being under grace is NOT a license to sin; it is by grace that we keep The Law to be freed from sin and death.
So let's look at what those chapters REALLY say, because they are all about returning to God's Law, which is precisely how those three chapters begin. If one is truly reborn and thus "dead" to sin, having crucified the "self" (the human, the "old man"), then they will spiritually see the beauty and love in God's Perfect, Holy, Just and Good Law/Commandments.
Romans 6 KJV
6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin*, that grace may abound?
6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
6:7 For he that is dead** is freed from sin.
6:8 Now IF we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
6:12 Let NOT sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law***, but under grace.
6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
6:18 BEING MADE FREE FROM SIN, ye became the servants of righteousness.
6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
6:21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is DEATH.
6:22 But now being made FREE FROM SIN, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
6:23 For THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
*sin = the transgression of The Law (1 John 3:4)
**dead = crucifying the "self" daily (Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:26-27, Gal. 2:20, Sura 6:162, Sura 92:18-21)
***"under The Law" = under the curse of The Law (Deut. 28:15-68; Gal. 3:13), which is the penalty clause for not keeping The Law
**** under grace = being mercifully given a clean slate and final opportunity to keep The Law after being redeemed from the curse of The Law (Gal. 3:13; Eph. 4:1-6). Being under grace is NOT a license to sin; it is by grace that we keep The Law to be freed from sin and death.
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Romans 7 KJV
7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know The Law,) how that THE LAW HATH DOMINION OVER A MAN AS LONG AS HE LIVETH?
7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by The Law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by The Law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
7:6 But now we are delivered from The Law*, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7:7 What shall we say then? Is The Law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without The Law sin was dead.
7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
7:12 Wherefore The Law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
7:14 For we know that The Law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto The Law that it is good.
7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
7:22 For I delight in The Law of God after the inward man:
7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of SIN which is in my members.
7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I MYSELF SERVE THE LAW OF GOD; but with the flesh the law of sin.
*delivered from the curse of The Law (Deut. 28:15-68; Gal. 3:13), which is the penalty clause for not keeping The Law
7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know The Law,) how that THE LAW HATH DOMINION OVER A MAN AS LONG AS HE LIVETH?
7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by The Law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by The Law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
7:6 But now we are delivered from The Law*, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7:7 What shall we say then? Is The Law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without The Law sin was dead.
7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
7:12 Wherefore The Law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
7:14 For we know that The Law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto The Law that it is good.
7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
7:22 For I delight in The Law of God after the inward man:
7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of SIN which is in my members.
7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I MYSELF SERVE THE LAW OF GOD; but with the flesh the law of sin.
*delivered from the curse of The Law (Deut. 28:15-68; Gal. 3:13), which is the penalty clause for not keeping The Law
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Romans 8 KJV
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
8:2 For The Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death*.
8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH:
8:4 That the righteousness of The Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit (see John 3:6).
8:6 For to be carnally minded is DEATH; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to The Law of God, neither indeed can be.
8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, IF so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
8:13 FOR IF YE LIVE AFTER THE FLESH, YE SHALL DIE: BUT IF YE THROUGH THE SPIRIT DO MORTIFY THE DEEDS OF THE BODY, YE SHALL LIVE**.
8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be THE FIRSTBORN among many brethren.
8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
*The Law of God, which is just, holy and good is LIFE. The law of sin and death is TRANSGRESSING THE LAW OF GOD (1 John 3:4).
**dead/mortified flesh = crucifying the "self" daily (Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:26-27, Gal. 2:20, Sura 6:162, Sura 92:18-21)
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
8:2 For The Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death*.
8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, CONDEMNED SIN IN THE FLESH:
8:4 That the righteousness of The Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit (see John 3:6).
8:6 For to be carnally minded is DEATH; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to The Law of God, neither indeed can be.
8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, IF so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
8:13 FOR IF YE LIVE AFTER THE FLESH, YE SHALL DIE: BUT IF YE THROUGH THE SPIRIT DO MORTIFY THE DEEDS OF THE BODY, YE SHALL LIVE**.
8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be THE FIRSTBORN among many brethren.
8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
*The Law of God, which is just, holy and good is LIFE. The law of sin and death is TRANSGRESSING THE LAW OF GOD (1 John 3:4).
**dead/mortified flesh = crucifying the "self" daily (Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:26-27, Gal. 2:20, Sura 6:162, Sura 92:18-21)
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All three chapters carry a very clear and consistent message: remember and return to keeping God's Law, to free yourself from sin, so that you too may enjoy God's Grace and let your cup runneth over with His Love unto others.
THAT is our free-will choice: to choose between obedience to God and His Law, or to continue our obedience to Satan, through our "self"/human/flesh/"old man", the latter of which needs to be crucified/mortified daily.
We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey.
Choose God, that you may LIVE by His Law and His Grace, which can NEVER be separated.
THAT is our free-will choice: to choose between obedience to God and His Law, or to continue our obedience to Satan, through our "self"/human/flesh/"old man", the latter of which needs to be crucified/mortified daily.
We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey.
Choose God, that you may LIVE by His Law and His Grace, which can NEVER be separated.
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@A Freeman, you can't see the wood for the trees.
you very noticeably skipped by what was said in the first half of Romans 8:1.
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Therefore, there IS condemnation to them which are NOT in Christ Jesus.
You can follow the 10 + 2 commandments and march to the beat of TWHOFTF's drum all you like:
If you are following a false Gospel, a false Christ, a false bible you will not be saved.
you very noticeably skipped by what was said in the first half of Romans 8:1.
8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Therefore, there IS condemnation to them which are NOT in Christ Jesus.
You can follow the 10 + 2 commandments and march to the beat of TWHOFTF's drum all you like:
If you are following a false Gospel, a false Christ, a false bible you will not be saved.
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The spiritual blindness plaguing the adherents of "Christianity" is breath-taking.
Romans 6 KJV
6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin*, that grace may abound?
6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
6:7 For he that is dead** is freed from sin.
Notes:
*sin = the transgression of The Law (1 John 3:4)
**dead = crucifying/mortifying the "self"/ego/"old man"/flesh daily (Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:26-27, Gal. 2:20, Sura 6:162, Sura 92:18-21)
No one who is actually spiritually awake could possibly read the above passage and take from it that we should be doing anything except destroying sin in our lives, nor is it possible for anyone to walk WITH Christ while they are still in bondage to the "self" through sin.
1 John 3:7-10
3:7 Little children, let no man (or woman) deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Anyone who is still sinning is very obviously walking after the flesh (i.e. is NOT walking with Christ, after the Spirit) , and has absolutely no idea who Christ-Jesus is, nor can anyone come to know and love Christ while continuing in sin.
1 John 2:3-4
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
Romans 6 KJV
6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin*, that grace may abound?
6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
6:7 For he that is dead** is freed from sin.
Notes:
*sin = the transgression of The Law (1 John 3:4)
**dead = crucifying/mortifying the "self"/ego/"old man"/flesh daily (Matt. 10:38, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23, Luke 14:26-27, Gal. 2:20, Sura 6:162, Sura 92:18-21)
No one who is actually spiritually awake could possibly read the above passage and take from it that we should be doing anything except destroying sin in our lives, nor is it possible for anyone to walk WITH Christ while they are still in bondage to the "self" through sin.
1 John 3:7-10
3:7 Little children, let no man (or woman) deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Anyone who is still sinning is very obviously walking after the flesh (i.e. is NOT walking with Christ, after the Spirit) , and has absolutely no idea who Christ-Jesus is, nor can anyone come to know and love Christ while continuing in sin.
1 John 2:3-4
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
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Straight from the mouth of Christ-Jesus, in the Gospel account recorded by John:-
John 14:15-24
14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I Live, ye shall live also.
14:20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
14:21 He that hath my COMMANDments, and KEEPETH them, HE it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
14:22 Jude saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will obey my words: and my Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
14:24 He that loveth me not obeyeth not my sayings: and the Truth which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Those who are spiritually awake follow the TRUE Gospel and KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
Those who follow another, FALSE Gospel, aka "Christianity", are spiritually asleep, which is why they attack the truth and those who share the truth with them.
WAKE-UP!
John 14:15-24
14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I Live, ye shall live also.
14:20 At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
14:21 He that hath my COMMANDments, and KEEPETH them, HE it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
14:22 Jude saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will obey my words: and my Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
14:24 He that loveth me not obeyeth not my sayings: and the Truth which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Those who are spiritually awake follow the TRUE Gospel and KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
Those who follow another, FALSE Gospel, aka "Christianity", are spiritually asleep, which is why they attack the truth and those who share the truth with them.
WAKE-UP!
And this is the whole of the GOSPEL no other way as the saying from the mandolarian creed THIS IS THE WAY....there is no other way onto salvation except through christ AGAIN NO OTHER no other mesasge no other messiah no other then....
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The thing that has repeatedly stuck out to me while doing my analysis of "the way home or face the fire" is that there is absolutely no Gospel anywhere. [I should actually point that out regularly from now on.]
Jesus died to save us from our sins - what good can AJH claim to have done for mankind?
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Jesus was crucified and resurrected to save us from our PAST sins, NOT to give us the freedom to sin with impunity, as selfish, evil people (many which call themselves "Christians") falsely claim.
Romans 3:25-26
3:25 Whom God hath fore-ordained [to be] an atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;
3:26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth Jesus.
"Go and sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto you", is what Jesus told the man who had been infirm for 38 years (John 5:1-14) as punishment for his sins (Deut. 28:15-68). And contrary to what the spiritually blind and unbelievers claim, Jesus meant exactly what he said.
When Christ, through the mouth of Jesus told us that The Law of God would NEVER go away, and that anyone who taught differently was the lowest of the low in God's Eyes, He likewise meant exactly what He said (Matt. 5:17-19). The Law is holy, just and good, providing freedom, justice, peace, prosperity, safety and security for ALL. Only extremely selfish and evil people would want to deprive others of these free gifts from God, bestowed upon those who obey God (Acts 5:29-32) and DO HIS WILL (Matt. 6:9-13).
When Jesus said "Thy Will (Father's Will, i.e. God's Will) be done on earth, as it is in heaven", he meant exactly what he said.
The entire Gospel -- the REAL Gospel (not the FAKE 'gospel' that "Christianity" teaches) is about us learning obedience to God, to ensure we don't wind up in debt/slavery to sin again, after having our debt paid at the cross.
The Way home or face The Fire by JAH confirms the REAL Gospel and its Message of Truth, as the two are in perfect agreement with one another.
The Way home or face The Fire by JAH very obviously doesn't confirm the FAKE alternate 'gospel' taught by "Christianity" which is a LIE, and will bring about certain death to all those who believe in such lies (Ezek. 18:4; Rom. 6:23).
"Jesus is my get out of jail free" as most if not all card-carrying "Christians" profess is an alternate (FAKE) 'gospel' that pretends it's okay to sin, thereby leading people astray to their death and destruction in The Fire, exactly as we've been warned for thousands of years (Isa. 3:12; Matt. 15:1-14; Matt. 23).
Stop hypocritically paying lip service to Christ (Matt. 15:7-9) and start keeping The Law/Commandments of God, exactly as we've been COMMANDED, or suffer the consequences. This human lifetime is your FINAL opportunity to learn The Way home -- truly believing and thus following Christ's Example, in thought, word and deed -- or you WILL face The Fire, regardless of whatever fantasies and alternate 'gospels' you may otherwise imagine will save you.
Believe Christ-Jesus (Christ, the Saviour). Love Christ. Keep The Commandments that God gave us (John 14:15). Make God's Commandments YOUR Commandments too, just as Christ does.
Romans 3:25-26
3:25 Whom God hath fore-ordained [to be] an atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;
3:26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth Jesus.
"Go and sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto you", is what Jesus told the man who had been infirm for 38 years (John 5:1-14) as punishment for his sins (Deut. 28:15-68). And contrary to what the spiritually blind and unbelievers claim, Jesus meant exactly what he said.
When Christ, through the mouth of Jesus told us that The Law of God would NEVER go away, and that anyone who taught differently was the lowest of the low in God's Eyes, He likewise meant exactly what He said (Matt. 5:17-19). The Law is holy, just and good, providing freedom, justice, peace, prosperity, safety and security for ALL. Only extremely selfish and evil people would want to deprive others of these free gifts from God, bestowed upon those who obey God (Acts 5:29-32) and DO HIS WILL (Matt. 6:9-13).
When Jesus said "Thy Will (Father's Will, i.e. God's Will) be done on earth, as it is in heaven", he meant exactly what he said.
The entire Gospel -- the REAL Gospel (not the FAKE 'gospel' that "Christianity" teaches) is about us learning obedience to God, to ensure we don't wind up in debt/slavery to sin again, after having our debt paid at the cross.
The Way home or face The Fire by JAH confirms the REAL Gospel and its Message of Truth, as the two are in perfect agreement with one another.
The Way home or face The Fire by JAH very obviously doesn't confirm the FAKE alternate 'gospel' taught by "Christianity" which is a LIE, and will bring about certain death to all those who believe in such lies (Ezek. 18:4; Rom. 6:23).
"Jesus is my get out of jail free" as most if not all card-carrying "Christians" profess is an alternate (FAKE) 'gospel' that pretends it's okay to sin, thereby leading people astray to their death and destruction in The Fire, exactly as we've been warned for thousands of years (Isa. 3:12; Matt. 15:1-14; Matt. 23).
Stop hypocritically paying lip service to Christ (Matt. 15:7-9) and start keeping The Law/Commandments of God, exactly as we've been COMMANDED, or suffer the consequences. This human lifetime is your FINAL opportunity to learn The Way home -- truly believing and thus following Christ's Example, in thought, word and deed -- or you WILL face The Fire, regardless of whatever fantasies and alternate 'gospels' you may otherwise imagine will save you.
Believe Christ-Jesus (Christ, the Saviour). Love Christ. Keep The Commandments that God gave us (John 14:15). Make God's Commandments YOUR Commandments too, just as Christ does.
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Unless one learns to "go and sin no more", they can NEVER truly follow Christ's COMMAND and His Example. There is no other way to salvation except through Christ, freely choosing to believe and LIVE by His Teachings and His Example.
Christ's Message is exactly the same now as it was 2000 years ago when He was here in the body of Jesus: REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND.
Those who refuse to repent and return to keeping The Law (there is no other way to go and "sin no more") WILL face The Fire.
Obedience to God IS The Way.
Acts 5:29-33
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.
5:33 When they heard [that], they were cut [to the heart], and took counsel to slay them.
Christ's Message is exactly the same now as it was 2000 years ago when He was here in the body of Jesus: REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND.
Those who refuse to repent and return to keeping The Law (there is no other way to go and "sin no more") WILL face The Fire.
Obedience to God IS The Way.
Acts 5:29-33
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.
5:33 When they heard [that], they were cut [to the heart], and took counsel to slay them.