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Imagine a world with shariah law.
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very dumb take on things that, artful....
1) By paul's own reasoning, the circumcision was a dead symbol on account of the fact that the hearts of jews were uncircumcised ie they were sinful.
so...people sin, therefore the symbol is ineffectual and therefore dead, according to Paul.
Then God gave a new symbol, the Cross. Here, the cross symbolised something even higher than the cutting of the flesh, it represented the DEATH of the flesh...
yet christian civilisation is a 24-7 cuckfest.
Basically the cross is a hijacked symbol, hijacked by Rome and no longer applicable in it's intended purpose.
2) God saw fit to give the israelites the old testament law, rather than revert them to this 'state of Faith' as they were once before.
In fact Paul even said this occured because true faith was lost in egypt.
by the same logic, the roman pagan trinitarian doctrine murdered christianity, killed faith and made the cross a dead symbol.
So God saw fit to bring about the LAW yet again.
3) the law is not a backwards step...rather the law is revealed to MAKE SIN KNOWN...and hence magnify God's grace.
So in otherwords, Jesus is greater because of shariah...
The only bat shit insane ones here are the repulsive creeps supporting violent, misogynistic "sharia law". Disgusting lol.
Men like you - incels, in other words should be required to wear burkas so women don't have to look at your leering disgusting self. lol
Their prophet muhommad was raping a 9-year old girl. Disgusting.
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The devil only has one enemy. I do hope people see what i mean how they only have one argument.
Yes, i did report this user. We'll see if VC does something about it. I am so tired of this garbage here.
Welcome to my ignore Beem, again.
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Even though I appreciate your original insights, your understanding of Christianity is clearly hampered by your preoccupation to syncretise different religions and your obvious favourable predisposition towards (Sufi) Islam, which is itself a product of religious syncretism.
Point 3 is correct (bar the “Jesus is greater because of shariah law” comment, which is preposterous) if with old testament law you are referring to the laws ordained by the Creator God that were morally absolute, like ‘thou shalt not kill’, yet not the lex talionis that contradicted these absolutes, such as ‘eye for eye, tooth for tooth’ condoning revenge (like shariah law, which is why your statement is preposterous, considering Jesus represents forgiveness), revealing the imperfect nature of the Creator God.
But old testament law equally contains legislation from human origins; ie. Moses and the elders. Moses added laws loosening prohibitions because of the weakness of his people (for example allowing divorce under specific circumstances). In addition to that you had the ritual laws by the elders, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men (Isaiah 29:13), specifically the ones pertaining to blood sacrifice, which have been made to appear as foreshadowing symbols of spiritual sacrifice, but are in fact grave transgressions performed by those who were either deceived into believing these were divinely ordained, or those who established the deception in the service of the Devil himself (the scribes and Pharisees).
It is this aspect of the old law that I targeted in the previous post:
Man / sheds the blood of the innocent / to give eternal life / to God.
vs
God / sheds the blood of Innocence itself / to give eternal life / to Man.
The old law is a shadow of the new (Heb 10:1) and an inversion of the true image, like a mirror. Follow the true image, which is Christ, and don’t pour new wine into old wineskins. Don’t mix light with darkness. For Heaven’s sake, take your shariah law where the sun don’t shine.
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@Artful Revealer
1) just like the concept of the logos itself was integrated into Jewish thought by the same syncretism.
The fact is the logos is vishnu. The incarnation is vishnu. Chrstianity originates from Dharma.
Dharma, torah and shariah mean the same thing.
2)
If Gods grace is revealed by the fulfillment of the law...what is greater, alaw for one nation, or a law for all people? Jesus is coming for all people.
Just as the first christians were likened to the original patriarchs, as in "righteous before the law, by faith", the christians also, like the israelites lost true faith (in Rome, as in trinitarianism) and hence faith was lost.
Just as God saw fit to reveal the Torah, Gos revealed Shariah...and it culminates in it's fulfillment through Christ.
Whilst the common muslim is inclined to believe this is a literal "by the letter' type fulfillment, this was also the assumption made by jews concerning the same matter before Jesus came.
I refer you to the story of khidr and Moses is Quran's chapter 18. Research it. It is similar to taoist wisdom.
Yet this idea of the tao is about surpassing the duality of yim and yang. This goes to the topic of duality/slavery vs unity/sonship.in islam these go by Islam and Ihsan.
Ihsan is considered the higher level.
Hence that while chapter focuses heavily on the dualism but notice that it is centered on the story of the 7 sleepers (who were 3rd century christians)?
Just as the letter Nun in arabic represents the primordial waters eg the logos...Nun is the symbol of christianity (the nasara, the nazarenes) and it also is the Fish ..which connects with the Khidr story (again chapter 18). The ichthys symbol ...2 lines coming together to form a circle....from duality to unity.
Chapter 18 even gives us the story of 'the 2 horned one' which is a reference to Daniel 8's "two horned ram" ie cyrus. Read the story of cyrus in chapter 18 and then read isaiah 45. The same dualism,but in inverse.
This whole thing is a deeper form of collective programming which is why theres an false christ and a true christ (zechariah 11s two shepherds).
Qurans chapter 18 specifically is connected with messianism and serves as a protection against dajjal also.
Jesus is coming with Ihsan....
Islam is submission to the Will of Allah as in slavery under duality. Ihsanis the death of the ego in complete annihilation in the experience of God ie only God remains in the experience thus "the single eye".
3) An eye for an eye is punishment for a murderer. The mosaic law inc various death penalties for various sins.
The shariah position
And We prescribed for them therein: The life for the life, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. But whoso forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be expiation for him. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are wrong-doers.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #45)
4) basically you said 'shove Gods law up your ass'
My actual points were disregarded, ie the law is necessary to reveal the depths of sin. The law is from God...
You fucking spastic
1) just like the concept of the logos itself was integrated into Jewish thought by the same syncretism.
The fact is the logos is vishnu. The incarnation is vishnu. Chrstianity originates from Dharma.
Dharma, torah and shariah mean the same thing.
2)
If Gods grace is revealed by the fulfillment of the law...what is greater, alaw for one nation, or a law for all people? Jesus is coming for all people.
Just as the first christians were likened to the original patriarchs, as in "righteous before the law, by faith", the christians also, like the israelites lost true faith (in Rome, as in trinitarianism) and hence faith was lost.
Just as God saw fit to reveal the Torah, Gos revealed Shariah...and it culminates in it's fulfillment through Christ.
Whilst the common muslim is inclined to believe this is a literal "by the letter' type fulfillment, this was also the assumption made by jews concerning the same matter before Jesus came.
I refer you to the story of khidr and Moses is Quran's chapter 18. Research it. It is similar to taoist wisdom.
Yet this idea of the tao is about surpassing the duality of yim and yang. This goes to the topic of duality/slavery vs unity/sonship.in islam these go by Islam and Ihsan.
Ihsan is considered the higher level.
Hence that while chapter focuses heavily on the dualism but notice that it is centered on the story of the 7 sleepers (who were 3rd century christians)?
Just as the letter Nun in arabic represents the primordial waters eg the logos...Nun is the symbol of christianity (the nasara, the nazarenes) and it also is the Fish ..which connects with the Khidr story (again chapter 18). The ichthys symbol ...2 lines coming together to form a circle....from duality to unity.
Chapter 18 even gives us the story of 'the 2 horned one' which is a reference to Daniel 8's "two horned ram" ie cyrus. Read the story of cyrus in chapter 18 and then read isaiah 45. The same dualism,but in inverse.
This whole thing is a deeper form of collective programming which is why theres an false christ and a true christ (zechariah 11s two shepherds).
Qurans chapter 18 specifically is connected with messianism and serves as a protection against dajjal also.
Jesus is coming with Ihsan....
Islam is submission to the Will of Allah as in slavery under duality. Ihsanis the death of the ego in complete annihilation in the experience of God ie only God remains in the experience thus "the single eye".
3) An eye for an eye is punishment for a murderer. The mosaic law inc various death penalties for various sins.
The shariah position
And We prescribed for them therein: The life for the life, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. But whoso forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be expiation for him. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are wrong-doers.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #45)
4) basically you said 'shove Gods law up your ass'
My actual points were disregarded, ie the law is necessary to reveal the depths of sin. The law is from God...
You fucking spastic
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Like I said, what you equate with God's law oughta be divided into the imperfect law of the Creator God (the one exposing sin) in need of fulfilment, and laws that are of human origin. When you say God's Law or Torah or Old Testament Law you assume no distinction. When Jesus turns "an eye for an eye" into "turn the other cheek", He's not fulfilling that law like he's fulfilling "thou shalt not kill". He's basically abrogating revenge and replacing it with forgiveness, abrogating violence and replacing it with non-violence. The term fulfilment doesn't apply here because He's replacing the instruction with its diametrical opposite.
And the same is true for blood sacrifice. When Jesus cleansed the Temple, the liberation of the animals who were there for slaughter wasn't a byproduct of Jesus flipping the tables of the moneylenders, condemning the commercial nature of the temple activities; it was also a deliberate statement against animal sacrifice in the House of His Father. One could basically argue that Jesus didn't only save man, but animals as well, since His own blood sacrifice ended blood sacrifice altogether. And again, the diametrical opposition between the old law, the shadow, and the new law, the true image, becomes clear:
Man / sheds the blood of the innocent / to give eternal life / to God. (beginning of ritual animal/blood sacrifice)
vs
God / sheds the blood of Innocence itself / to give eternal life / to Man. (end of ritual animal/blood sacrifice)
So when you say: "Jesus is greater because of shariah", as if it means we oughta keep or return to the law that contains lex talionus or Qiṣāṣ, retribution in kind, a law that Jesus has abrogated (and Islam reinstated), then I can confidently say: "you can shove shariah or torah where the sun don't shine" - quote from the fucking spastic.
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So refreshing to see religion bringing everyone together in love LOL. On a side note anyone see the story today that an extremely obese preacher in Louisiana killed his wife and then himself. This guy looked like he was worshipping the BBQ pit more than Jesus. An honest preacher is as rare as hen's teeth.
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Don't judge them too harshly for wanting to have things shoved up each others ass. Don't forget it's Pride Month tee hee.
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Was the pastor gay or something? Guess its making the rounds in the news if it happened today.
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1) Jesus wasnt abrogating the law, he was 'fulfilling' it and that process occurs between 2 different paths
the path of right-action
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the path of non-action
the path of right-action is about following the law ie trying to follow the 'good' but usually failing at it. it is about external austerities to cause internal transformation
the path of non-action is about focusing on internal transformation in order to alter our state and nature, eg a pure heart produces pure actions without effort, hence 'non-action'.
in this way, 'right action' comes naturally without effort.
however the path of non-action through purification of the heart, is not an easy feat to acheive due to all the veils blocking that from happening.
Jesus himself gave examples of that corruption
so if you eliminate the bad energies existing in your heart...they come back harder.
if you plant all the good seeds and connect with the light, with the hope that the harvest of fruit will cause a total inner transformation..only for satan to tear it all apart and put stones in you so they choke the seeds from growing.
when that happens, the soil has to be 'tilled' which brings total turmoil in us...bringing things we buried deep into our unconscious, to the surface.
all the pain that brings, can destroy us.
THIS is where Jesus and the cross symbol came in.
However ive gone into this already..the cross is dead.
2) you have completely misunderstood the matter of shariah and it's intention.
when alcohol was first prohibited, muslims were capable of throwing alcohol out the door and not looking back. tell me when in human history humans have been capable of that so easily?
not even christians have this capacity in them. That's because prophet Mohammad himself had elevated his people to that pure inner state and hence when the prohibition of alcohol came, muslims could product the 'right action' naturally.
the reality is that these laws were given, by paul's logic 'not to make people pure, but to reveal sin'.
but it is deeper than that. these laws were given in order to prevent muslims falling back in to jahilliya from the state of islam.
as a christian do you think porn should be banned, or heavily censored? i think people should have to pay extra to access porn and likewise any website hosting porn inc twitter, should be charged a tax...
now if such a law came, most males would struggle and then our sinful nature would still cause us to either find it through other means OR we would instead fetishise something different to subtitute it.
this problem would persist...because fundamentally we are in ego and under our carnal/flesh nature, it would just evolve into other forms.
the purpose of the fulfillment of the law is not 'do away with dat evil law btw'
or 'nah shuv da law up yer arse and watch pawn, cuz i am jezuz and i diededed for ya all'
it is to KILL THE EGO AND THE FLESH ALTOGETHER...
and the byproduct of this state is that people come into unity of consciousness, LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR and all that stuff..'turn the other cheek'
flowers and faeries...
islam encompasses all of these sides in theory...but prophet Mohammad knew that eventually muslims will fall back into jahilliya, become sinful...and at least muslims would still posess the conscience of sin...whereas xtians posess zero conscience. that is why a pawn star can have the cross tattooed on her arsehole and have men urinate all over it.
that is the fruit of christianity.
The purpose of Jesus, in terms of 'fulfilling the law' is that it is necessary first, for humans to attain the conscience of sin through the law, to understand all the evils the ego and flesh brins in order to eventually overpower/kill them.
Jesus will reject many christians when he returns and say 'GET AWAY FROM ME YOU EVILDOERS'
funny that, whatever happened to the accountability of sin being wiped away? it's because christian 'sin' really refers to the nature of sin. hence to the death of the flesh entirely...meaning it would become impossible for a true christian to commit a sin.
Jesus suggesting most christians will be 'evil doers' also proves the cross has to die as a symbol in order for their carnal nature to reign over there.
i also explained that islam already contains many proofs of this eg IHSAN>ISLAM, khidr>moses..
because islam and Moses are under the duality of the ego too.
so islam already taught us that our level is not the end of the story but there's a higher level..and hence the idea of Jesus taking us there.
3)
Man / sheds the blood of the innocent / to give eternal life / to God. (beginning of ritual animal/blood sacrifice)
vs
God / sheds the blood of Innocence itself / to give eternal life / to Man. (end of ritual animal/blood sacrifice)
derp...
no, the sacrifice is about giving life to thoughtforms.
Yahweh is a collective thoughtform that feeds off sacrifice. when animal sacrifice ended, it feasted on the lifeforce of 1m jews. Yahweh fed off the blood sacrifice of 5m jews in the holocoast.
the sacrifice of Jesus was Jesus giving his life to create a brand new 'God' thoughtform..
however NO ONE CAN ACCESS THE FATHER WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE SON..and that is impossible without the cross.
hence the death of the cross renders christianity entirely n/a in all sense.
it is a dead religion.
Whilst islam is the middle road, you've tried to relegate islam to merely 'the law' whereas islam already gives us the concept of Ihsan.
just as the Quran says 'an eye for an eye, but forgiveness is better'.
all that's really happened here is that..
The patriarchs were under Grace/faith...
then the israelites lost true belief and were given the law
Jesus came and fulfilled the mosaic law, but he extended faith to all nations..
the nations were under grace/faith...
and the process repeats
however islam isnt just a global version of judaism. it includes belief in Jesus. islam is an evolution upwards all areas..
just as shariah law has a higer conscience of sin than the mosaic law (since alcohol is now forbidden too), the depths of sin have become greater through islam aswell, which means we NEED JESUS MORE THAN YOU.
like i said, you guys have zero conscience of sin. 'we are born again, we are 100% going to heaven, Jesus paid da price'
if you have no conscience of sin, why do you need Jesus to return?
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so why are animals gay? is nature gay?
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Why are there people with 2 heads? I dunno...who cares? I find it best to not pass judgment.
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Is drinking Bud Light against sharia law?
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one hand is chopped off for dylan mulvaney, the other hand is chopped off for drinking alcohol.
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Yes, alcohol is forbidden.
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I shouldn't have to explain why. How many die in an accident with a drunk driver?
How many have done something they regret due to alcohol, like losing a fortune with gambling?
How many women are abused by their drunk partner? How many women get drunk only to get raped before they can get home?
How many are raped by family members due to intoxication? Its more common then you think.
Intoxication makes the mind weak and djinn step in.
Those that believe in God are more fearful of Gods punishment when compared to those that don't believe are of man's punishment.
As i speak some place is probably being looted or someone is being shot / raped / molested because the criminals think they are gonna get away with it. They don't know God see's everything because they deny him to begin with.
Far as the "golden rule" goes... Statistics show people who believe in a God are more charitable compared to those who don't.
I can source this if you like, but I would think its obvious as a believer knows he will be rewarded for it.
Those who give, out of their own possessions, by night and by day,
in private and in public will have their reward with their Lord.” (2:274 Quran)
While a disbeliever does it for praise from the people, kick backs, putting someone in their debt, ego and so on.
Here is a real world example.
Consider Muslims, who give 2.5% of their wealth away every year.
Now imagine an atheist like Elon Musk. How much is he worth?
What is 2.5% of 234 Billion?
Now if Elon Musk was a practicing Muslim he'd be giving away about $6 billion to charity every year. I mean giving away, not "philanthropy" where they money launder and fund schemes like Bill Gates charity in Africa and India.
Jeff Bezos is another good example. Gives 500 million to Dolly Pardon but won't give his own employees bathroom breaks because that costs money.
Its safe to say all the people at the top are atheist. At least the 0.01% and the 0.01% own more then 50% of the entire worlds wealth.
The Guardian says they own more then 90% of Americans.
Honestly world hunger, homelessness.. you name it.. would be eradicated if the elite were God fearing and gave only 2.5% of their annual wealth into charity, like Shariah law demands.
God gave us enough to feed every man, woman and child on the planet. People go to bed hungry because of greed and it is insatiable.
Give a man a valley of gold and he'll want another to match it.
Its ok, because there is an equalizer at the end of the road.
Why do we need Gods law? Its a stupid question, ain't it?
Just look at everything wrong in the world today and how 95% of it would disappear if people remembered the Almighty.